So Prime Shaq > Wade and Bosh combined?

[dubeta]

Is this finally an ISH consensus??

[JebronLames]

yes. not even close.

TT and JR swish > Wade and bosh

[SouBeachTalents]

yes. not even close.

TT and JR swish > Wade and bosh

:coleman:

[iamgine]

Well Prime Shaq + Derek Fisher to be exact.

[dubeta]

:coleman:

JR is basically putting 2013 playoff Wade numbers on better efficiency

[ISHGoat]

shaq = wade + bosh = jr + tt (post lebron)
shaq + fisher > wade + bosh
shaq + fisher + phil >>> wade + bosh + spo

[PJR]

When 2 for 6 is completed, make sure you dweebs don't disappear for the summer, ok?

[SouBeachTalents]

JR is basically putting 2013 playoff Wade numbers on better efficiency

Wade obviously struggled in the '13 playoffs, but he did come up big in the Finals, especially Games 4-7. We'll see if JR Smith does the same

[Kobe_6/8]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Comparision%20n%20Similarity/SHAQ/7849f651.gif

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u1SrZg0LKcA/Ux3L5wpHc9I/AAAAAAAACbs/cz1qirx4x6o/w300-h263/shaq_dunk_shove.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/franjie77/wah.jpg

http://www.loud-mouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tumblr_m014ubZBMx1qcmnsoo1_r1_400.gif

Prime Shaq is more alpha than Wade and Bosh combined.

[Done_And_Done]

Shut up OP...

[dubeta]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Comparision%20n%20Similarity/SHAQ/7849f651.gif

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u1SrZg0LKcA/Ux3L5wpHc9I/AAAAAAAACbs/cz1qirx4x6o/w300-h263/shaq_dunk_shove.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/franjie77/wah.jpg

http://www.loud-mouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tumblr_m014ubZBMx1qcmnsoo1_r1_400.gif

Prime Shaq is more alpha than Wade and Bosh combined.




True, Wade and Bosh are two world-class betas.

[tmacattack33]

Shaq + Horry + Fox + Fisher > Almost any other supporting cast you'll find out there

These won the title in 2000 with Kobe as a young player who wasn't even a great player yet, and only put up 15 ppg. He was also injured in the Finals yet they still won.

[T_L_P]

Depends on the years.

Not 2011 Wade/Bosh, because Wade was still arguably a top 5 player in the league and dominant in his own right. Peak Shaq > 2012/14 Wade and Bosh combined.

That said, I think Bosh tends to get underrated.

[Jailblazers7]

shaq = jr + tt (post lebron)

This is a new low even for ISH.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Depends on the years.

Not 2011 Wade/Bosh, because Wade was still arguably a top 5 player in the league and dominant in his own right. Peak Shaq > 2012/14 Wade and Bosh combined.

That said, I think Bosh tends to get underrated.

Bosh isn't underrated. People forget how poorly he played the last two Finals he played for Miami. Not to mention being worthless against Indiana

[dubeta]

Shaq + Horry + Fox + Fisher > Almost any other supporting cast you'll find out there

These won the title in 2000 with Kobe as a young player who wasn't even a great player yet, and only put up 15 ppg. He was also injured in the Finals yet they still won.

True, i think thats the key difference

LeBron had a mediocre supporting cast, while Kobe was the supporting cast.

[Wade's Rings]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Comparision%20n%20Similarity/SHAQ/7849f651.gif

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u1SrZg0LKcA/Ux3L5wpHc9I/AAAAAAAACbs/cz1qirx4x6o/w300-h263/shaq_dunk_shove.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/franjie77/wah.jpg

http://www.loud-mouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tumblr_m014ubZBMx1qcmnsoo1_r1_400.gif

Prime Shaq is more alpha than Wade and Bosh combined.

So Kobe had far more help than Lebron and did less with more, good to know. :applause:

[pastis]

put shaq years away, kobe still passed through 16 50 win teams during the playoffs

but both kobe and lebron are just all time greats. imo is lebron just more of an all around player and is more dominant

[Yao Ming's Foot]

True, i think thats the key difference

LeBron had a mediocre supporting cast, while Kobe was the supporting cast.

The best player in the most vital game of the playoffs... :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006040LAL.html

[Wade's Rings]

put shaq years away, kobe still passed through 16 50 win teams during the playoffs

but both kobe and lebron are just all time greats. imo is lebron just more of an all around player and is more dominant

Without Shaq he's beaten 9-12 50+ Teams.

[pastis]

Without Shaq he's beaten 9-12 50+ Teams.

ok sry, but still a very good number.....

[Wade's Rings]

ok sry, but still a very good number.....

Agreed :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

So Kobe had far more help than Lebron and did less with more, good to know. :applause:

Bean WAS the help.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0134802f972f970c-800wi

"Ok Boss. Get ya anything else Mr. Shaq suh?"

[sportjames23]

This is a new low even for ISH.


No such thing as too low for Lebron stans. Hell, one recently said MJ only marginally improved the Bulls.

[swagga]

peak shaq > wade/duncan/kobe/bron/jordan/magic/bird/kaj/wilt/russell/hakeem/etc

motivated peak shaq is in its own tier. and I hate this oversized retarded asshole with a passion.

[Out_In_Utah]

Is this finally an ISH consensus??

This was always truth. Doesn't mean LeBron doesn't require stacked teams and/or weak East to win.

[stephanieg]

Old Shaq dominated prime Bosh.

[rzp]

ok sry, but still a very good number.....

And LJ have like... 10 more seasons to beat that :lol

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Shaq with a Kobe work ethic and the longetivity of Karl Malone could have pulled a Bill Russell type of career- 10 to 11 champinonships.

You know you're an insanely gifted NBA player if 1 MVP, 4 championship rings, 3 F MVP can be considered underachieving based on what "you" could have been.

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq with a Kobe work ethic and the longetivity of Karl Malone could have pulled a Bill Russell type of career- 10 to 11 champinonships.

You know you're an insanely gifted NBA player if 1 MVP, 4 championship rings, 3 F MVP can be considered underachieving based on what "you" could have been.

Shaq's longevity is underrated on this board. He was an elite player from his rookie season through his first year in Miami, a span of 13 years. Malone has maybe 2-3 seasons more of elite production than Shaq did. Do agree about the work ethic though

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Shaq's longevity is underrated on this board. He was an elite player from his rookie season through his first year in Miami, a span of 13 years. Malone has maybe 2-3 seasons more of elite production than Shaq did. Do agree about the work ethic though

Agreed. 1992-2005 he was a beast. Had a few bad years but those few "bad" years are what 99% of the NBA big men dream to have as a statline for a whole season. His 2005 season was MVP worthy too. 2006 is when he started his steep decline.

[longtime lurker]

Prime Shaq<<Wade and Bosh + playing in the dumpster fire called the East

[jayfan]

Shaq is so overrated on here.




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[Mr Feeny]

Shaq is so overrated on here.




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He's not. Someone who averages 38 and 17 on 63%fg shooting in the finals is not overrated. Smh at this place sometimes.

[Prime_Shaq]

Yes

[sportjames23]

Shaq is so overrated on here.




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:biggums:

[Prometheus]

Yes, prime Shaq is much, much better than Wade and Bosh combined. This should never even be discussed.

[Lakers Fan]

I'd take a prime Shaq over anyone except for Kareem or Jordan to build around, including LeBron. He was a beast, that would roll through today's centers like nothing.

[Ne 1]

Before Kobe developed into one of the NBA's premier players Shaq won a total of 0 Finals games despite playing with prime Penny and an All-Star back court of Eddie Jones/Nick Van Exel.