Dennis Rodman's 7 year run (1992-1998). 16.7 rpg and 7 reb titles.

[ClipperRevival]

And before that, he won 2 DPOY in 1989 and 1990. 5 time champion. Greatest rebounder ever and imho, the most versatile defender ever. I take this guy on my team any day. He could dominate a game with 0 points. He gave his all every time he stepped on the court.

[QuebecBaller]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1131763/dennis-rodman-taunt-o.gif

[T_L_P]

Dennis Rodman, NBA superstar.

[3ball]

One all-star appearance during that period..

4 PPG average during time period - his team always played 4 on 5 offensively.

Abysmal 4 PPG and 8 RPG average during entire 1997 playoff run..

3 PPG and 8 RPG during entire 1998 Finals (along with Pippen's 15 PPG and 41% FG).

[ClipperRevival]

One all-star appearance during that period..

4 PPG average during time period - his team always played 4 on 5 offensively.

Abysmal 4 PPG and 8 RPG average during entire 1997 playoff run..

3 PPG and 8 RPG during entire 1998 Finals (along with Pippen's 15 PPG and 41% FG).

Guys like him don't get accolades because they do the dirty work. Like I said, a guy like him can have 0 points and still dominate a game. You need to get off your "MJ had no help so I need to down grade his supporting cast" agenda.

[dubeta]

Him and Scottie were the cornerstones of that Bulls dynasty

[ClipperRevival]

Him and Scottie were the cornerstones of that Bulls dynasty

Oh boy. Now another agenda driven poster trying to upgrade MJ's supporting cast.

[Rose'sACL]

One all-star appearance during that period..

4 PPG average during time period - his team always played 4 on 5 offensively.

Abysmal 4 PPG and 8 RPG average during entire 1997 playoff run..

3 PPG and 8 RPG during entire 1998 Finals (along with Pippen's 15 PPG and 41% FG).
just imagine what could have happened if teams were allowed to leave him alone like they can do now without being called illegal defense.
you are learning the game little by little. i will help you understand it more in the future. no thank you needed.

[Roundball_Rock]

And before that, he won 2 DPOY in 1989 and 1990. 5 time champion. Greatest rebounder ever and imho, the most versatile defender ever. I take this guy on my team any day. He could dominate a game with 0 points. He gave his all every time he stepped on the court.

:applause:

Interestingly in 1993 Detroit was 36-26 with him but a lousy 4-20 without him. Rodman was a winner wherever he went and it was no coincidence.

[Trollsmasher]

1996 Fmvp

[SouBeachTalents]

One all-star appearance during that period..

4 PPG average during time period - his team always played 4 on 5 offensively.

Abysmal 4 PPG and 8 RPG average during entire 1997 playoff run..

3 PPG and 8 RPG during entire 1998 Finals (along with Pippen's 15 PPG and 41% FG).

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/sports/nba-finals-once-again-rodman-is-most-valuable-bull.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-06-17/sports/9606170154_1_dennis-rodman-bulls-crowning-moment
http://www.petemyersrules.com/2011/08/rodmans-mvp.html

[alenleomessi]

why are people still acting like this dude could play basketball.. he was just a crazy athletic dude thrown on the court

[3ball]

1996 Fmvp
The biggest factor was MJ's leadership along with his 32 PPG on 46% thru 3 games to get the Bulls a 3-0 series lead - this includes 36 in the essential clincher in Game 3 on the road in Seattle.

In the first half of Game 3, Seattle had sealed the paint (as was common in no-spacing environments with legal paint-camping), so MJ dropped 27 in the first half on all jumpshots to get his team a 25 point lead and win the series.

[ILLsmak]

why are people still acting like this dude could play basketball.. he was just a crazy athletic dude thrown on the court

And a kind of genius, too. Of course, that word doesn't fit Rodman... unless you define it as the ability to succeed uniquely. The fact that he could play bball proves that he had some special talent. He didn't have 'skills', you're right, but he made himself into a hall of famer.

-Smak

[SHAQisGOAT]

To me he was at his (overall) very best around 1990, like when he began to start for the Pistons, over Mark Aguirre... Playing some terrific m2m defense on many types of forwards, some guards and even some centers, won DPOY; not quite the beastly rebounder he would later become but could still average over 10 per game and was playing further away from the basket; scored like 9 PPG, 1st in FG% on a championship team; top10 in DWS and DRtg, all-star...

He displayed his best scoring seasons in his very 1st years as a pro, great defender and rebounder since the get-go.
As his career progressed he became more of a PF, put on more mass; mostly guarded PF's and some C's, became more of/a better post-defender than perimeter as opposite to before; grew into even a better rebounder, one of the best ever at that; scoring output went down but became a better passer, especially outlet passes.

[3ball]

To me he was at his (overall) very best around 1990, like when he began to start for the Pistons, over Mark Aguirre... Playing some terrific m2m defense on many types of forwards, some guards and even some centers, won DPOY; not quite the beastly rebounder he would later become but could still average over 10 per game and was playing further away from the basket;


Agreed.. And it's often misreported, but Rodman's prime defensive years (when he won back-to-back DPOY in 1990 and 1991) were as a small forward (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374199), where he defended the perimeter and interior at an elite level, perhaps the greatest all-round defender of all time.

This makes sense anyway, since Rodman guarded MJ a lot, and it would be impossible for him to guard MJ while Dumars guarded Horace Grant - obviously, Dumars guarded Scottie when Rodman was on MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858).

Of course, the stats show that in 37 career games vs. DPOY Rodman and All-NBA defender Joe Dumars, MJ averaged 31.8 PPG (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jordami01&p2=rodmade01).
.

[dubeta]

So who was the most important player for the Bulls championships? Pippen or Rodman?

[Angel Face]

GOAT rebounder imo.

[Straight_Ballin]

Oh boy. Now another agenda driven poster trying to upgrade MJ's supporting cast.

ClipperRevival straight shitting on nikkas. Better come up with something better if you want to get your shitty agenda passed by this guy.

[Hey Yo]

The biggest factor was MJ's leadership along with his 32 PPG on 46% thru 3 games to get the Bulls a 3-0 series lead - this includes 36 in the essential clincher in Game 3 on the road in Seattle.

In the first half of Game 3, Seattle had sealed the paint (as was common in no-spacing environments with legal paint-camping), so MJ dropped 27 in the first half on all jumpshots to get his team a 25 point lead and win the series.
He shot 41% for the series and avg. over 11FTA a game. Dropped 27 in the 1st half and held to 9pts in the 2nd???

side note:....Rodman, twice in the series, (games 2 and 6) recorded 11ORB which is still an NBA Finals record.

20TRB in game 2 and 19TRB in game 6.

[ClipperRevival]

What do you guys think about how Rodman did in his 2 finals against Malone?

[ClipperRevival]

The TNT crew on the "Open Court" show discussed Rodman-Malone.

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=malone%20rodman&sm=3

[97 bulls]

Rodman was a beast.

[ClipperRevival]

Rodman was a beast.

Nice avatar bro. Mj, Pippen and Rodman, the greatest 2-3-4 defender combo ever on the same team. There is a reason why 72-10 and 69-13 happened. Talk about defense on tne perimeter.

[navy]

Look at the impact Christian Thompson is having if you think dirty work is unimportant.

Rodman was a monster.

[DonDadda59]

The Bill Russell lite of his era :applause:

[iamgine]

Rodman was quite lucky never to have a serious injury, given the way he played.

[ClipperRevival]

The Bill Russell lite of his era :applause:

That is actually my thoughts too. To me, Rodman was a lesser version of Bill Russell. Great defender and rebounder.

[97 bulls]

:applause:

Interestingly in 1993 Detroit was 36-26 with him but a lousy 4-20 without him. Rodman was a winner wherever he went and it was no coincidence.
The same was the case with the Spurs in 95. I believe they were 7-8 or something. But they were 55-12 with him.

[97 bulls]

That is actually my thoughts too. To me, Rodman was a lesser version of Bill Russell. Great defender and rebounder.
I agree he is along the lines of Bill Russell

[DonDadda59]

The same was the case with the Spurs in 95. I believe they were 7-8 or something. But they were 55-12 with him.

They also won 62 games with him playing in only 49 games (started 26) and 59 the season after he left.

Let's not get carried away now. Keep things in perspective.

[97 bulls]

Nice avatar bro. Mj, Pippen and Rodman, the greatest 2-3-4 defender combo ever on the same team. There is a reason why 72-10 and 69-13 happened. Talk about defense on tne perimeter.
Yep. Greatest trio ever in my book. Their talents meshed so well.

[Hey Yo]

Nice avatar bro. Mj, Pippen and Rodman, the greatest 2-3-4 defender combo ever on the same team. There is a reason why 72-10 and 69-13 happened. Talk about defense on tne perimeter.
Vancouver and Toronto were expansion teams that year.

[97 bulls]

They also won 62 games with him playing in only 49 games (started 26) and 59 the season after he left.

Let's not get carried away now. Keep things in perspective.
They weren't even .500 in the games he missed

[ClipperRevival]

Vancouver and Toronto were expansion teams that year.

100% true. But still, going 72-10 when the best record ever was 69-13 prior to that time and the fact that they matched 69-13 the year after 1996 is proof of their greatness. Sure, if you want to use the expansion as an excuse for a few more wins, no problem. But it was still special.

[97 bulls]

They also won 62 games with him playing in only 49 games (started 26) and 59 the season after he left.

Let's not get carried away now. Keep things in perspective.
They were 40-9 with him. What does it matter if he started or not? You act as if he was playing under 5 minutes a game

[97 bulls]

Vancouver and Toronto were expansion teams that year.
One of their 10 losses came against Toronto.

[DonDadda59]

They were 40-9 with him. What does it matter if he started or not? You act as if he was playing under 5 minutes a game

I'm not taking anything away from Dennis, just pointing out that he wasn't the franchise savior some people make him out to be. Detroit won rings with him riding the bench, the Spurs won 62 with him in only 49 games (starting 26) were a 59 win team after he left, and even the Bulls were putting up Historic win totals with him missing significant time.

He was also a basket case, legitimately insane. There's a reason the Spurs were willing to part with him for nothing more than Will Perdue.

[livinglegend]

They were 40-9 with him. What does it matter if he started or not? You act as if he was playing under 5 minutes a game

Thanks for exposing that Jordan d!ckrider:applause: :applause:

[DonDadda59]

Thanks for exposing that Jordan d!ckrider:applause: :applause:

What did he 'expose' exactly? :confusedshrug:

Spurs went 22-11 when he was out. Then the next season won 59 when he left.

[livinglegend]

What did he 'expose' exactly? :confusedshrug:

Spurs went 22-11 when he was out. Then the next season won 59 when he left.

40-9 >> 22-11


Next oldie please

[DonDadda59]

40-9 >> 22-11


Next oldie please

Wow, you so good at math. Dadda=exposed :applause:

Keep your mouth shut next time adults are talking.

[livinglegend]

Wow, you so good at math. Dadda=exposed :applause:

Keep your mouth shut next time adults are talking.

I can still type with my mouth shut oldie :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

next

[DonDadda59]

I can still type with my mouth shut oldie :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Not with a dick in yo mouf.

I'll burp you and tuck you in in a bit. I'll even read you the little engine that could. I know it's your favorite.

Then me and your mama...

:pimp:

[livinglegend]

Not with a dick in yo mouf.

I'll burp you and tuck you in in a bit. I'll even read you the little engine that could. I know it's your favorite.

Then me and your mama...

:pimp:

I made you lose your shit :oldlol:
I win. :applause: :applause:

[dubeta]

I made you lose your shit :oldlol:
I win. :applause: :applause:

:lol

[DonDadda59]

I made you lose your shit :oldlol:
I win. :applause: :applause:

Wow. Illuminating stuff. Hell of a poster. Truly, a living legend. :applause:

[iamgine]

Like any other player, Dennis' impact can be great or diminished depending on the team and salary he receives.

If your team has Horace Grant for example, adding Dennis Rodman won't make much of a difference. But lets say your big is Andrea Bargnani, then Dennis would make a great addition. If you pay him MLE, then he's beyond awesome. If you pay him the max, he becomes a liability to the team. You also need to have coaches and players that can handle his unique personality, something most other players have less need of.

[97 bulls]

I'm not taking anything away from Dennis, just pointing out that he wasn't the franchise savior some people make him out to be. Detroit won rings with him riding the bench, the Spurs won 62 with him in only 49 games (starting 26) were a 59 win team after he left, and even the Bulls were putting up Historic win totals with him missing significant time.
No one said he was a savior. But he was hella impactfull.

He was also a basket case, legitimately insane. There's a reason the Spurs were willing to part with him for nothing more than Will Perdue.[/QUOTE]
Dude. He won. I mean the Bulls in 95 with Jordan were on pace to win 57 games. Add Rodman they win 72.

[97 bulls]

Like any other player, Dennis' impact can be great or diminished depending on the team and salary he receives.

If your team has Horace Grant for example, adding Dennis Rodman won't make much of a difference. But lets say your big is Andrea Bargnani, then Dennis would make a great addition. If you pay him MLE, then he's beyond awesome. If you pay him the max, he becomes a liability to the team. You also need to have coaches and players that can handle his unique personality, something most other players have less need of.
We can say that about every player that has ever played. If you have Jordan, do you need Kobe? If you have Wilt, do you need Shaq?

[DonDadda59]

No one said he was a savior. But he was hella impactfull.

OK.



Dude. He won. I mean the Bulls in 95 with Jordan were on pace to win 57 games. Add Rodman they win 72.

:biggums:

Helluva sample size. Also, they went 13-4 with baseball Jordan in '95... that's on pace for 63 wins.

In '98, after 17 games, they were on pace for 52 wins.

Means nothing really.

[jstern]

Rodman will always be one of my favorite players. It's annoying when people act as if he was as if he was a liability on offense, just because he didn't look to score.

[Magic 32]

Him and Scottie were the cornerstones of that Bulls dynasty

http://www.dirtybutton.com/media/db2405-fat-loser.jpg

[ClipperRevival]

It's amazing to see the numbers Rodman put up in the modern era. 16.7 rpg over a 7 year stretch and winning the rebounding title for all those years? Wow.

[sdot_thadon]

He was amazing indeed. Definitely one of a kind as well. Hate to see him get trashed all the time by Jordan groupies though. People seem to either have forgotten or were too young to ever see in the 1st place, the 2nd 3peat bulls were considered a big 3......

[3ball]

And before that, he won 2 DPOY in 1989 and 1990. 5 time champion. Greatest rebounder ever and imho, the most versatile defender ever. I take this guy on my team any day. He could dominate a game with 0 points. He gave his all every time he stepped on the court.
You stole my thunder a little bit ClipperRevival..

I was going to make a thread titled: "1996 was Rodman's last good year"

Which is true.. He was not elite in 1997 and 1998 - that is a fact - remember how shitty he was in 1999 with the Lakers?... He was already at that level in 1997 and 1998, but we didn't notice because by that point, the dynasty Bulls were "daaaaaaa Bulls".

But when the 35-year old Rodman joined the Bulls, he was nowhere near the Detroit version of Rodman in the early 90's, who was a 2-time all-star, guarded every position, and was b2b DPOY - those days were long gone when he joined the Bulls..

The 35 and 36 year-old Rodman only averaged 5/11 in the playoffs alongside MJ from 1996-1998 - this due to his horrific 1997 playoff run where he averaged 3/8 and the 1998 Finals (3/8 again).. You can't say "well, Rodman does other things"... Horseshit - if Rodman isn't rebounding, his value is very low - again, the eye test and stats both show that 1997 and 1998 Rodman was the same as 1999 Rodman in LA - GARBAGE.

[ClipperRevival]

You stole my thunder a little bit ClipperRevival..

I was going to make a thread titled: "1996 was Rodman's last good year"

Which is true.. He was not elite in 1997 and 1998 - that is a fact - remember how shitty he was in 1999 with the Lakers?... He was already at that level in 1997 and 1998, but we didn't notice because by that point, the dynasty Bulls were "daaaaaaa Bulls".

But when the 35-year old Rodman joined the Bulls, he was nowhere near the Detroit version of Rodman in the early 90's, who was a 2-time all-star, guarded every position, and was b2b DPOY - those days were long gone when he joined the Bulls..

The 35 and 36 year-old Rodman only averaged 5/11 in the playoffs alongside MJ from 1996-1998 - this due to his horrific 1997 playoff run where he averaged 3/8 and the 1998 Finals (3/8 again).. You can't say "well, Rodman does other things"... Horseshit - if Rodman isn't rebounding, his value is very low - again, the eye test and stats both show that 1997 and 1998 Rodman was the same as 1999 Rodman in LA - GARBAGE.

Given the fact that he was 36 and 37 years old and still led the league in rebounding at 16.1 and 15.0 in 1997 and 1998, I would say he was still playing at a high level. I don't know what you expect from a guy past his mid 30's. But right, it's all based on your agenda to discredit MJ's supporting cast at all costs so who really cares?

[3ball]

Given the fact that he was 36 and 37 years old and still led the league in rebounding at 16.1 and 15.0 in 1997 and 1998, I would say he was still playing at a high level. I don't know what you expect from a guy past his mid 30's. But right, it's all based on your agenda to discredit MJ's supporting cast at all costs so who really cares?
In the 1997 playoffs, Rodman averaged 3 points and 8 rebounds.

Again - don't say "he does other things", because if Rodman isn't rebounding, his value isn't much.

And he averaged 3/8 in the 1998 Finals too...

It's a reality - in the 1997 and 1998 playoffs, he was the same caliber of garbage he was in 1999 with the Lakers - we just didn't notice because the dynasty Bulls were imprinted on our brains by that point.

But again, 1996 was his last good playoff run (which is all I'm ever talking about - I could give a shit about RS, and you should too).. The 1997 and 1998 Bulls were working with the same garbage Rodman that LA got in 1999.

[ClipperRevival]

In the 1997 playoffs, Rodman averaged 3 points and 8 rebounds.

Again - don't say "he does other things", because if Rodman isn't rebounding, his value isn't much.

And he averaged 3/8 in the 1998 Finals too...

It's a reality - in the 1997 and 1998 playoffs, he was the same caliber of garbage he was in 1999 with the Lakers - we just didn't notice because the dynasty Bulls were imprinted on our brains by that point.

But again, 1996 was his last good playoff run (which is all I'm ever talking about - I could give a shit about RS, and you should too).. The 1997 and 1998 Bulls were working with the same garbage Rodman that LA got in 1999.

Lies. He averaged 4.2 ppg and 8.4 rpg in the 1997 playoffs. But so what? His numbers were down and he had to guard K. Malone in the finals and did a decent job, holding him several points below his season and playoff average in that series.

[97 bulls]

In the 1997 playoffs, Rodman averaged 3 points and 8 rebounds.

Again - don't say "he does other things", because if Rodman isn't rebounding, his value isn't much.

And he averaged 3/8 in the 1998 Finals too...

It's a reality - in the 1997 and 1998 playoffs, he was the same caliber of garbage he was in 1999 with the Lakers - we just didn't notice because the dynasty Bulls were imprinted on our brains by that point.

But again, 1996 was his last good playoff run (which is all I'm ever talking about - I could give a shit about RS, and you should too).. The 1997 and 1998 Bulls were working with the same garbage Rodman that LA got in 1999.
He also plaued excellent defense on Karl Malone and Alonzo Mourning. Not to mention he played hurt in 98. He saved the Bulls bacon in 96.

[97 bulls]

Lies. He averaged 4.2 ppg and 8.4 rpg in the 1997 playoffs. But so what? His numbers were down and he had to guard K. Malone in the finals and did a decent job, holding him several points below his season and playoff average in that series.
He also led the playoffs in highest rebound percentage in 98

[TheCorporation]

I'm always a bit surprised when people don't know how great Dennis Rodman was. Rebouding Freak. Defensive Freak.

Just to add a little craziness to Rodman's achievements:

Dennis Rodman has the best career rebouding percentage in NBA history (better than Duncan, Howard, Mutumbo, etc).

And, as a rebounding percentage during the season, he has the top SEVEN best rebound percentage numbers in NBA history. That shit cray

[DMV2]

One of a kind. I don't there'll ever be another player like Dennis.

[sdot_thadon]

You stole my thunder a little bit ClipperRevival..

I was going to make a thread titled: "1996 was Rodman's last good year"

Which is true.. He was not elite in 1997 and 1998 - that is a fact - remember how shitty he was in 1999 with the Lakers?... He was already at that level in 1997 and 1998, but we didn't notice because by that point, the dynasty Bulls were "daaaaaaa Bulls".

But when the 35-year old Rodman joined the Bulls, he was nowhere near the Detroit version of Rodman in the early 90's, who was a 2-time all-star, guarded every position, and was b2b DPOY - those days were long gone when he joined the Bulls..

The 35 and 36 year-old Rodman only averaged 5/11 in the playoffs alongside MJ from 1996-1998 - this due to his horrific 1997 playoff run where he averaged 3/8 and the 1998 Finals (3/8 again).. You can't say "well, Rodman does other things"... Horseshit - if Rodman isn't rebounding, his value is very low - again, the eye test and stats both show that 1997 and 1998 Rodman was the same as 1999 Rodman in LA - GARBAGE.

Gotcha boss

in 96 worm was:
all defensive 1st team
1st offensive rebounding
9th defensive rebounding
2nd total rebounding
1st rebounds per game
1st off rebounding %
1st def rebounding %
1st total rebounding %
6th def rating
7th dbpm
34 yrs old

97:
1st off rebounds
8th def rebounds
3rd total rebounds
1st rpg
1st off rebounding %
1st def rebounding %
1st total rebounding %
6th def rating
35 yrs old

98:
2nd off rebounds
1st def rebounds
1st total rebounds
1st in rpg
2nd off rebounding %
1st def rebounding %
1st total rebounding %
4th def rating
3rd def win shares
8th dbpm
36 yrs old

Also in 96 he led in basically every aspect of rebounding in the playoffs. In 97 his numbers dipped a bit, he also played less minutes in that run as well. In 98 he didn't lead in raw numbers but his advanced numbers show he did well in the postseason.

Fun fact:

Over those 3 "washed up" bulls years Dennis had 36 20+ rebound games.
Kg: 33
Duncan: 26
Love: 17

.......for their CAREERS.
Cut the nonsense.

[mehyaM24]

the goat rebounder - between him, wilt and russell tbqh

[West-Side]

Antawn Jamison is better though. inside joke ;)

[ClipperRevival]

the goat rebounder - between him, wilt and russell tbqh

In terms of GOAT rebounder without considering size, Wilt was the GOAT rebounder. If you factor in size, I would give the edge to Rodman. If youfactor all time GOAT impact along with size, Russell gets the nod.

[West-Side]

I'm always a bit surprised when people don't know how great Dennis Rodman was. Rebouding Freak. Defensive Freak.

Just to add a little craziness to Rodman's achievements:

Dennis Rodman has the best career rebouding percentage in NBA history (better than Duncan, Howard, Mutumbo, etc).

And, as a rebounding percentage during the season, he has the top SEVEN best rebound percentage numbers in NBA history. That shit cray

He's also Kobe Bryant's height, give or take 1 inch. :rockon:

[SHAQisGOAT]

the goat rebounder - between him, wilt and russell tbqh

GOAT rebounders are Rodman, Wilt, Russell and Moses, imo.

[3ball]

He also plaued excellent defense on Karl Malone and Alonzo Mourning. Not to mention he played hurt in 98. He saved the Bulls bacon in 96.


Don't try to sell me on 8 rpg Rodman - rebounding is half of what this guy does - if he's somehow below-average at it, then he's not a good player anymore.

The reality is that he was not very good for MJ during the 1997 and 1998 playoffs..

It's not meaningful to say "he held Malone to 25/10/50" or say "he guarded Alonzo good" when the Bulls destroyed them in 5 games..

[97 bulls]

Don't try to sell me on 8 rpg Rodman - rebounding is half of what this guy does - if he's somehow below-average at it, then he's not a good player anymore.
Im not trying to sell it to you. Facts are facts. In 98, WHEN HE WAS ON THE FLOOR, he grabbed the highest percentage of rebounds. I believe he was still in double figures in 97 even though he was playing hurt.


The reality is that he was not very good for MJ during the 1997 and 1998 playoffs..

It's not meaningful to say "he held Malone to 25/10/50" or say "he guarded Alonzo good" when the Bulls destroyed them in 5 games..
I didnt see MJ guarding Malone and Mourning.

[Hey Yo]

One all-star appearance during that period..

4 PPG average during time period - his team always played 4 on 5 offensively.

Abysmal 4 PPG and 8 RPG average during entire 1997 playoff run..

3 PPG and 8 RPG during entire 1998 Finals (along with Pippen's 15 PPG and 41% FG).
Rodman with the offensive box-outs, offensive rebounding and constant hustle for loose balls/rebounds..... which led to more 2nd and 3rd chance opportunities. Which also led to more opposing players getting in foul trouble.

[97 bulls]

Rodman with the offensive box-outs, offensive rebounding and constant hustle for loose balls/rebounds..... which led to more 2nd and 3rd chance opportunities. Which also led to more opposing players getting in foul trouble.
Exactly. If a team lost sight of Rodman, he would kill them on the offensive boards. Look at what he did to Seattle in 96. 11 offensive rebounds in two separate occasions.

[LAZERUSS]

When Rodman was beating MJ's Bulls in the late 80's, he was an all-time great.

When he was playing with MJ in the mid-to-late 90's, he was a POS.

Damn...MJ is caught between a rock-and-hard place, though.

We know that Pippen wouldn't have made the NBA had he not been drafted by Jordan, but yet, Pippen wasn't worth a shit when he was playing with him, either.

So, it looks like guys like Grant, Pippen, and Rodman were worthless with him, and yet, without him they were All-Stars, HOFers, DPOYs, winning rings, you name it. I guess he brought out the worst in them, but somehow made them great at the same time.

Makes perfect sense.

[sdot_thadon]

When Rodman was beating MJ's Bulls in the late 80's, he was an all-time great.

When he was playing with MJ in the mid-to-late 90's, he was a POS.

Damn...MJ is caught between a rock-and-hard place, though.

We know that Pippen wouldn't have made the NBA had he not been drafted by Jordan, but yet, Pippen wasn't worth a shit when he was playing with him, either.

So, it looks like guys like Grant, Pippen, and Rodman were worthless with him, and yet, without him they were All-Stars, HOFers, DPOYs, winning rings, you name it. I guess he brought out the worst in them, but somehow made them great at the same time.

Makes perfect sense.
:oldlol:

[SsKSpurs21]

Oh boy. Now another agenda driven poster trying to upgrade MJ's supporting cast.

its funny how when Rodman was on the Spurs, David had all this help (even though rodman only played 1 year) but when Rodman goes to Chicago he sucked. Same with Kerr. when he was on the Bulls he was an abysmal role player, but on the Spurs he saved Duncan. :confusedshrug:

[ClipperRevival]

Drummond having a nice run but come on.

[90sgoat]

Look at the personalities in the 90s, MJ, Barkley, Rodman, Shaq, Malone, Hakeem, D-Rob, all these big ego personalities.

Today we have these clones of each other.

[Marchesk]

So who was the most important player for the Bulls championships? Pippen or Rodman?

http://bullssoxacademy.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/thumbcache/35d4d2d68a8f4ca4b6a36dfbcf734daf.300.jpg

[Marchesk]

Greatest rebounder ever

Can we be sure he was a superior rebounder to Wilt, Russell and Moses Malone? He's certainly right there with them, but what makes him better? Wilt led the league in rebounding 10 times. And that was with another all-time great rebounder in the league.

Wilt also led the league in rebounding his last season at age 36, despite a young Kareem, Dave Cowens, Wes Unseld and Nate Thurmond.

[Marchesk]

Look at the personalities in the 90s, MJ, Barkley, Rodman, Shaq, Malone, Hakeem, D-Rob, all these big ego personalities.

Wouldn't Payton also make the list?

[ClipperRevival]

Can we be sure he was a superior rebounder to Wilt, Russell and Moses Malone? He's certainly right there with them, but what makes him better? Wilt led the league in rebounding 10 times. And that was with another all-time great rebounder in the league.

Wilt also led the league in rebounding his last season at age 36, despite a young Kareem, Dave Cowens, Wes Unseld and Nate Thurmond.

GOAT rebounder considering height. But overall, Wilt is GOAT. Stats prove this.

[BigNBAfan]

GOAT help of all time... Jordan's overrated with all the help he had