Do you agree with the message of this strip?

[Heilige]

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What do you think ish?

[GimmeThat]

Competition and Self-reliance

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slide 8 is where they switch off

[longtime lurker]

Everyone understands the message of the strip but you'll have some posters that remain willfully ignorant.

[NumberSix]

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What do you think ish?
I think its true. But it omits a larger point.

In a free market society, some people will have more advantages than others. That's true. Paula has fewer advantages. But now compare Paula's life to someone in Cuba or some other country without a free market.

A free market makes ALL of our lives better. Compare that to countries that make everybody's lives "equal".

[~primetime~]

Some people have it harder than others, everyone knows that...life is not fair.

Both Richard and Paula are flawed here though IMO...Richard is flawed for thinking he is entitled and was never handed anything, Paula is flawed for thinking "her place" is below others and settling for less.




Somewhere down the line though, Richards parents (or grandparents) made better decisions than Paula's, and Richard's parents earned the right to make life easier for Richard. I'm working hard now for my own son, I want him to have it like Richard does (but he needs to realize that he was helped).

[~primetime~]

Many people is Richard's shoes understand the fact that they were born into a great situation.

[longtime lurker]

Some people have it harder than others, everyone knows that...life is not fair.

Both Richard and Paula are flawed here though IMO...Richard is flawed for thinking he is entitled and was never handed anything, Paula is flawed for thinking "her place" is below others and settling for less.




Somewhere down the line though, Richards parents (or grandparents) made better decisions than Paula's, and Richard's parents earned the right to make life easier for Richard. I'm working hard now for my own son, I want him to have it like Richard does (but he needs to realize that he was helped).

But people like Richard are deluded into thinking they deserve success because of a factor they aren't in control of at all. And thus they'd deny people like Paula the resources that could help her become successful. That's the real problem this comic strip is trying to illustrate.

[Kblaze8855]

Its fairly clear that its true....but the issue is what do you do about it. You can let the disadvantages movivate you or use them as an excuse to not try in the first place.

What your parents have....and what they expect of you...it shapes who you become. But it doesnt decide it.

Be nice if people could admit that it plays a massive role though.

It is a hill to climb.

[~primetime~]

But people like Richard are deluded into thinking they deserve success because of a factor they aren't in control of at all. And thus they'd deny people like Paula the resources that could help her become successful. That's the real problem this comic strip is trying to illustrate.
AND that "maybe Paula starts to settle...but I hope not"

the other problem is that Paula isn't asking for a handout...she has settled into her place

like I said both Richard and Paula are flawed here.

[Akrazotile]

Strips like these are a perfect example of the false illustration used by class warriors.

That is NOT A REALISTIC example of someone in Paula's situation.

Paula's parents are portrayed as caring about her, but simply not being able to provide her anything but an empty home with nothing in it, and poor sanitation/nutrition that she keeps getting sick?

Except, parents who care about their kids DO provide more than that. I grew up with a friend who's father was a prison guard and his mother I think worked in a hospital. They were devout Christians. They didn't have as disposable income as some of the other people in our area but the parents busted their ass, kept a watch over the kids, and now their kids are engineers, managers, etc. Another kid I went to's father was a truck driver. They had a smaller house and less money to throw around than some of the other kids parents, but they still got the same education in a good area because their parents prioritized it.

Kids whose parents care about them don't have strangers walking in and out of the house all day drinking and making noise. Even if they have modest income they go to Goodwill and get second hand childrens books. They use whatever programs are available to make sure they provide their kid with decent housing, food, and medical. You can get all that shit for FREE, even if you don't work a job, let alone if you're working two! There are tons of examples out there of single mothers who worked and kept their kids out of trouble, and their kids made it.

BAD PARENTS are what causes the problems. NOT POVERTY. You can have modest income but if your parents teach you good habits and keep you safe, you'll get a public education same as everyone else, you can take out loans to go to school, then get a job and live your life. If your parents are MIA and you end up falling with the wrong crowd, no guidance, bad situations, then yeah, you're probably gonna be in for a crummy life.

Liberals want to portray every less fortunate upbringing as being the result of an impoverished two parent home that is working 50 hour a week but somehow can't manage to do a single thing for their kids??? That is NOT THE TRUTH. THAT IS A LIE. THAT IS A LIBERAL CLASS WARFARE LIE.


You know how many kids out there grow up with parents who smoke meth? Parents that abuse them? Parents that disappear? Parents that take no responsibility? THAT IS THE CAUSE of poor child development. It has nothing to do with not being rich.

OP is a idealistic cry baby. He doesn't wanna take INDIVIDUAL WORKING CLASS PEOPLE to task. He wants to blame it all on the rich and mighty. Even though we have the most privileged system for success for ALL PEOPLE in the ENTIRE WORLD. There are a lot of people who don't take advantage of it. Plain and simple. Everyone can't win, but everyone can make their own choices. OP IS A F@GGOT.

[GimmeThat]

If I had to tax the person who makes 3 dollars to the one who makes a buck, we are all screwed.

If I claim to tax a person who makes 300 to someone who makes a buck, I am considered the devil's advocate either way


Now if I ask, no, determine how many hours someone work, regarding or regardless of their talent.


Nice f-ing strip.

[NumberSix]

But people like Richard are deluded into thinking they deserve success because of a factor they aren't in control of at all. And thus they'd deny people like Paula the resources that could help her become successful. That's the real problem this comic strip is trying to illustrate.
No. The problem is that people like you have been tricked into thinking that people like Richard CAN deny people like Paula the ability to be successful.

The truth is that the vast majority of wealthy people don't start out wealthy. It's also true that the majority of inherited wealth disappears after a couple generations.

[longtime lurker]

AND that "maybe Paula starts to settle...but I hope not"

the other problem is that Paula isn't asking for a handout...she has settled into her place

like I said both Richard and Paula are flawed here.

Paula's only settles into her place because she doesn't have the resources that Richard has. You're focusing on the symptoms while I'm more concerned with the cause. Paula isn't flawed as much as the fact that she wasn't in the position to succeed like Richard in the first place.

[Akrazotile]

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Oh but OMG, she's working so hard to care for her child, working those two jobs and putting her little baby first!!!! It's just the stupid evil corrupt corporations that are going to create inequality for her child!!!!

NO, F@GGOT. She doesn't care about her kid.

That is a result of biological variance. Some parents are more nurturing than others, and some people are more driven and resilient than others. Look at Donald Sterling's kid. Andy Reid's kid. Wealthy parents, priveleged life, both died from a drug overdose. Look at Lebron James. Poor neighborhood, no father, multimillionaire.

OP is trying to create the illusion of a fairyworld utopia being just around the corner, if only we can take down the evil corporations argghhghh :rant :rant :rant :rant

That's simply not a biological reality. Some people are smarter than other people. Some people are more prone to nurturing their kids, others dont care as much. It's not different than some people being straight, and some people being gay. People are different. WE ARE BORN INEQUAL.

OP doesn't want to admit. He's a pansy, still crying about that delusional pansy dream because it somehow gives meaning to his life. GET A HOBBY.

[~primetime~]

Paula's only settles into her place because she doesn't have the resources that Richard has. You're focusing on the symptoms while I'm more concerned with the cause. Paula isn't flawed as much as the fact that she wasn't in the position to succeed like Richard in the first place.
Nothing you can do about the cause, we are all born into different situations, life is unfair. To me the comic is saying people in good situations need to stop feeling entitled and people in worse situations need to stop settling for less.

[longtime lurker]

No. The problem is that people like you have been tricked into thinking that people like Richard CAN deny people like Paula the ability to be successful.

The truth is that the vast majority of wealthy people don't start out wealthy. It's also true that the majority of inherited wealth disappears after a couple generations.

Lol you are such a fvcking tool. There are some people like Richard would be against spending on social programs to provide resources to people like Paula while she's still young where it makes a difference. Not only that but they use their power and wealth to influence government policies. Thankfully there are wealthy people who aren't completely deluded in themselves who try to help people that aren't lucky enough to be born into the right circumstances.

[Kblaze8855]

Somewhere down the line though, Richards parents (or grandparents) made better decisions than Paula's, and Richard's parents earned the right to make life easier for Richard. I'm working hard now for my own son, I want him to have it like Richard does (but he needs to realize that he was helped).

This depends on your age a bit. I grew up living in the house of someone whos father was a slave.

There arent that many generations between now and many groups(not just blacks) having government backed disadvantages.

My grandparents were sharecroppers a step removed from indentured servitude. My grandfather was born in a former slave shack and did the same work they did....but instead of being bought and sold he was just told he owed money for the living he was provided and might be arrested if he tried to leave.

He was never taught to read until my grandmother taught him when he was older than I am now. He planted lima beans, picked cotton, grew tobacco, and worked his ass off. There was no time to become educated. He stopped school so young he had no memory of ever going.

Meanwhile...one of my best friends...his grandfather was a banker, his father owned a few warehouses bought with his grandfathers money, and now he doesnt have to work. He lives off rich people storing their boats in the warehouses.

He didnt come out an ass after all that. Hes a great guy...humble...friendly as hell. Does charity. Working to be a doctor(currently getting his ass kicked working long shifts in a hospital). So he isnt the asshole outcome of this thing...but fact is...

It wasnt just his ancestors making better decisions than mine.

Its mine being raised by former slaves and sharecroppers who were never taught the value of education.

Luckily...my grandmother went back to school and became a teacher herself(you didnt need a degree to teach in a black school in the 40s)...and made my mother into one...and they both have been all over me about education and setting standards my whole life.

But that was rare.

A lot of the current issues facing blacks...and hispanics....and millions of whites...ancestors who were never given a fair shake.

Till my generation...hell maybe my kids...you couldnt expect anything close to equality.

My mom didnt even have take home schol books till schools integrated...and she was in like the 8th or 9th grade before they were finished with that.

The poor of any race and the non whites in general have been held back for so long you cant just make equality laws and expect things to be even in 50 years. And ill say again....im nto just talking black people.

You ever go into the mountians down south? The white people there seem like they are from a whole other era. And I dont mean they are racist...I mean they live lives most of us would consider straight backwards.

I visited a placed called(And im serious)....Possum Kingdom. I'll just say...those kids running around are not likely being taught how to get ahead in life. Almost as bad as Pumpkin Town up in the mountians near here.

Kids in ripped underwear running around in the damn woods acting a fool and raised by 8 toothed rednecks who while often polite....just arent likely telling these kids that a B+ isnt gonna cut it.

So many backgrounds just set you up for failure and it takes a rare workethic and inner drive to beat it without parental help.

For the most part we all end up what our family makes us.

[NumberSix]

Paula's only settles into her place because she doesn't have the resources that Richard has. You're focusing on the symptoms while I'm more concerned with the cause. Paula isn't flawed as much as the fact that she wasn't in the position to succeed like Richard in the first place.
That's because people like you think money is the only resource. Probably because you believe the nonsense idea that all people are equal.

Richard might be born into a better financial situation. Ok. You think something should be done to "even" that playing field out.

What happens when someone is born with a better brain? What if Paula's IQ is 60 points higher than Richards? Does that playing fired need to be "evened out" too? What if Paula is physically beautiful? Surely that affords her some opportunities unavailable to Richard.

Do you really care about ALL opportunities being equal? Or have you been taken in by propaganda of people who want to destroy the worlds most successful economic system? Because it seems like the ONLY opportunities you're interested in involve money.

[longtime lurker]

Nothing you can do about the cause, we are all born into different situations, life is unfair. To me the comic is saying people in good situations need to stop feeling entitled and people in worse situations need to stop settling for less.

Why not provide Paula with the similar resources that people like Richard get. IMO the comic strip is saying that people like Richard have an unrealistic view of what makes them successful and need to recognize the "hand outs" he essentially received in life

[~primetime~]

For the most part we all end up what our family makes us.
Maybe most of us, certainly not all of us.

There are plenty of Paula's in the US that have made it big...and plenty of Richard's that have failed.

[longtime lurker]

That's because people like you think money is the only resource. Probably because you believe the nonsense idea that all people are equal.

Richard might be born into a better financial situation. Ok. You think something should be done to "even" that playing field out.

What happens when someone is born with a better brain? What if Paula's IQ is 60 points higher than Richards? Does that playing fired need to be "evened out" too? What if Paula is physically beautiful? Surely that affords her some opportunities unavailable to Richard.

Do you really care about ALL opportunities being equal? Or have you been taken in by propaganda of people who want to destroy the worlds most successful economic system?

Whooosh. Not surprised you're one of the more clueless people when it comes to this conversation. You're like a robot "Must defend right wing talking points at all costs!" All your examples are garbage because they go outside of the scope of the actual comic strip. Like I said, willfully ignorant.

[~primetime~]

Why not provide Paula with the similar resources that people like Richard get. IMO the comic strip is saying that people like Richard have an unrealistic view of what makes them successful and need to recognize the "hand outs" he essentially received in life
yeah, that is what I mean by "entitled"...BUT Paula has also 'settled'.

Richard was connected to employment through his father...how do you suggest we make that resource available to Paula? Make it illegal for parents to assist their children?

[longtime lurker]

Maybe most of us, certainly not all of us.

There are plenty of Paula's in the US that have made it big...and plenty of Richard's that have failed.

I'm willing to bet that there is data that backs up the argument that your family and status in life is a bigger predictor of success than any other factors.

[Akrazotile]

This depends on your age a bit. I grew up living in the house of someone whos father was a slave.

There arent that many generations between now and many groups(not just blacks) having government backed disadvantages.

My grandparents were sharecroppers a step removed from indentured servitude. My grandfather was born in a former slave shack and did the same work they did....but instead of being bought and sold he was just told he owed money for the living he was provided and might be arrested if he tried to leave.

He was never taught to read until my grandmother taught him when he was older than I am now. He planted lima beans, picked cotton, grew tobacco, and worked his ass off. There was no time to become educated. He stopped school so young he had no memory of ever going.

Meanwhile...one of my best friends...his grandfather was a banker, his father owned a few warehouses bought with his grandfathers money, and now he doesnt have to work. He lives off rich people storing their boats in the warehouses.

He didnt come out an ass after all that. Hes a great guy...humble...friendly as hell. Does charity. Working to be a doctor(currently getting his ass kicked working long shifts in a hospital). So he isnt the asshole outcome of this thing...but fact is...

It wasnt just his ancestors making better decisions than mine.

Its mine being raised by former slaves and sharecroppers who were never taught the value of education.

Luckily...my grandmother went back to school and became a teacher herself(you didnt need a degree to teach in a black school in the 40s)...and made my mother into one...and they both have been all over me about education and setting standards my whole life.

But that was rare.

A lot of the current issues facing blacks...and hispanics....and millions of whites...ancestors who were never given a fair shake.

Till my generation...hell maybe my kids...you couldnt expect anything close to equality.

My mom didnt even have take home schol books till schools integrated...and she was in like the 8th or 9th grade before they were finished with that.

The poor of any race and the non whites in general have been held back for so long you cant just make equality laws and expect things to be even in 50 years. And ill say again....im nto just talking black people.

You ever go into the mountians down south? The white people there seem like they are from a whole other era. And I dont mean they are racist...I mean they live lives most of us would consider straight backwards.

I visited a placed called(And im serious)....Possum Kingdom. I'll just say...those kids running around are not likely being taught how to get ahead in life. Almost as bad as Pumpkin Town up in the mountians near here.

Kids in ripped underwear running around in the damn woods acting a fool and raised by 8 toothed rednecks who while often polite....just arent likely telling these kids that a B+ isnt gonna cut it.

So many backgrounds just set you up for failure and it takes a rare workethic and inner drive to beat it without parental help.

For the most part we all end up what our family makes us.


You're right, people have different socioeconomic statuses for a variety of reasons. That's always been the case. Always will be for as long as we are created by biological fertilization.

The thing is, people like OP are tying everything to money.

If you're poor, can you not still marry someone you want to be with and have a nice family? Do you need money to kick a soccerball with your kid or have a conversation lying in bed with your wife?

The problem is, there's just a lot of not-so-good people out there. Couples that do nothing but fight. Scream at their kids. Steal things and get put in jail, separated from their kids. Smoke, drink, act promiscuously in front of their young kids. That's just HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE. Has nothing to do with money.

How many times have you heard successful people who come from poor, often minority backgrounds say "We didnt have much, but we stuck together and got by" or "My mother is my hero, she sacrificed so much for me."

Those people didnt have money and privelege. Those people had at least one good, selfless parent. THATS what leads to inequality more than anything else. What your parents do for you at a young age. And it has very little to do with their financial means. It's about personal support.

[Akrazotile]

I'm willing to bet that there is data that backs up the argument that your family and status in life is a bigger predictor of success than any other factors.


Yeah. There's data that backs up the argument that your family's height throughout your ancestry will be a bigger predictor of your height than any other factors.


So I guess height and success are both genetic is what you're sayin?

[NumberSix]

Whooosh. Not surprised you're one of the more clueless people when it comes to this conversation. You're like a robot "Must defend right wing talking points at all costs!" All your examples are garbage because they go outside of the scope of the actual comic strip. Like I said, willfully ignorant.
So....... No argument, huh?


So what exactly are the "opportunities" that need fixing?

I mean, look at Scotland. Free school, free health care, free college/university..... Free everything really. Has Scotland achieved, whatever it is that you think needs to be achieved?

Ok, Richard has some financial advantages that Paula doesn't have. What exactly is it that you think should be done to "fix" that? All I see is you keep pointing out the "cause". What's the fix?

[longtime lurker]

yeah, that is what I mean by "entitled"...BUT Paula has also 'settled'.

Richard was connected to employment through his father...how do you suggest we make that resource available to Paula? Make it illegal for parents to assist their children?

Richard was already set up from birth, not just because his parents had job connections. One way to help is to provide educational resources that can give Paula that support from when she's young. Also create opportunities for Paula to access people of influence that she doesn't have access to being from her background. Take 20 Richards and 20 Paulas and have them switch places keeping everything the same and I guarantee you there will be more successful Paulas that Richards.

[NumberSix]

I'm willing to bet that there is data that backs up the argument that your family and status in life is a bigger predictor of success than any other factors.
I'm willing to bet success correlates with IQ more than any other factor.

[longtime lurker]

I'm willing to bet success correlates with IQ more than any other factor.

Yeah I'm sure that explains the person in your display pic.

[NumberSix]

Richard was already set up from birth, not just because his parents had job connections. One way to help is to provide educational resources that can give Paula that support from when she's young. Also create opportunities for Paula to access people of influence that she doesn't have access to being from her background. Take 20 Richards and 20 Paulas and have them switch places keeping everything the same and I guarantee you there will be more successful Paulas that Richards.
This is where you do actually make a good point. Politics is at a point where it is more influenced by money than voter opinions.

[~primetime~]

Richard was already set up from birth, not just because his parents had job connections. One way to help is to provide educational resources that can give Paula that support from when she's young. Also create opportunities for Paula to access people of influence that she doesn't have access to being from her background. Take 20 Richards and 20 Paulas and have them switch places keeping everything the same and I guarantee you there will be more successful Paulas that Richards.
You would have to give Paula Richard's parents...the wealthy will always inherit their family's fortune AS THEY SHOULD.

[Akrazotile]

Richard was already set up from birth, not just because his parents had job connections. One way to help is to provide educational resources that can give Paula that support from when she's young. Also create opportunities for Paula to access people of influence that she doesn't have access to being from her background. Take 20 Richards and 20 Paulas and have them switch places keeping everything the same and I guarantee you there will be more successful Paulas that Richards.


Wait, you think people born into comfortable financial situations dont have to pass their exams? Stanford and Duke will accept you with a 2.3 GPA if you show them your parents bank account?

Or maybe you think the rich kids who get good grades just rub money instead of studying and breeze through the test on exam day?

I guess they dont have to be prepared during interviews. Show up in a t shirt with pizza grease stains, drop their parents name, and get a nice cushy job.

No, the fact is, people often have their parents qualities and dispositions. Some people are very inclined to work hard. These people may be laborers or managerial people, but their kids will often have the same disposition. Dan Lebatard often talks about his cuban immigrant father who worked long hours in a factory and invested in his children. Now theyre successful. Everyone situation is different, everyones skills are different, everyones personalities are different, everyones ambitions are different.

Why are you religiously obsessed with creating a false narrative, a delusional narrative about the world that you are religiously obsessed with making others believe? Youre probably the type that hates religious people, too :oldlol:

[rufuspaul]

Stanford and Duke will accept you with a 2.3 GPA if you show them your parents bank account?



Depends on the size of the bank account. I knew a guy that got into Dook with pretty mediocre grades but his dad gave them $5 million.

[Nick Young]

Some people are born kings. some people are born as no-armed no-legged retards in the Brazilian rainforest.

Life isn't fair. deal with it.

wah wah wah:cry: :cry: :cry: :rolleyes:

[Kblaze8855]

Wait, you think people born into comfortable financial situations dont have to pass their exams? Stanford and Duke will accept you with a 2.3 GPA if you show them your parents bank account?

Or maybe you think the rich kids who get good grades just rub money instead of studying and breeze through the test on exam day?

I guess they dont have to be prepared during interviews. Show up in a t shirt with pizza grease stains, drop their parents name, and get a nice cushy job.

So when your mom is dead and your dad is a drug addicted vietnam vet who takes out a loan on your grandmothers house(she passed) he cant pay back so you get a job at bojangles in the 9th grade trying to stave off homelessness while stealing power and water you think its as easy to study for those tests and exams as the kids in comfort with 2 parents doing all they can to support them?

My friend moved in with us in highschool after exactly that situation. Homeless at 16. Never graduated high school. Selling weed by 18.

Didnt have his shit together till 30.

When your life presents few problems but homework....its a lot easier to get homework done.

Is that not fair?

[DukeDelonte13]

Wait, you think people born into comfortable financial situations dont have to pass their exams? Stanford and Duke will accept you with a 2.3 GPA if you show them your parents bank account?

Or maybe you think the rich kids who get good grades just rub money instead of studying and breeze through the test on exam day?

I guess they dont have to be prepared during interviews. Show up in a t shirt with pizza grease stains, drop their parents name, and get a nice cushy job.

No, the fact is, people often have their parents qualities and dispositions. Some people are very inclined to work hard. These people may be laborers or managerial people, but their kids will often have the same disposition. Dan Lebatard often talks about his cuban immigrant father who worked long hours in a factory and invested in his children. Now theyre successful. Everyone situation is different, everyones skills are different, everyones personalities are different, everyones ambitions are different.

Why are you religiously obsessed with creating a false narrative, a delusional narrative about the world that you are religiously obsessed with making others believe? Youre probably the type that hates religious people, too :oldlol:

You can be relatively dumb and get into an ivy league school if your parents donate enough and/or you are a legacy.

And the whole thing with interviews, anybody will tell you it's who you know. Doesn't matter the profession. If your parents were in or involved in it, your entryway into said profession is a million times easier. Mom and Dad can pave the way for you. That's just reality.

[Nick Young]

So when your mom is dead and your dad is a drug addicted vietnam vet who takes out a loan on your grandmothers house(she passed) he cant pay back so you get a job at bojangles in the 9th grade trying to stave off homelessness while stealing power and water you think its as easy to study for those tests and exams as the kids in comfort with 2 parents doing all they can to support them?

My friend moved in with us in highschool after exactly that situation. Homeless at 16. Never graduated high school. Selling weed by 18.

Didnt have his shit together till 30.

When your life presents few problems but homework....its a lot easier to get homework done.

Is that not fair?
life isn't fair. deal with it. Don't make excuses and victimize yourself and do the best you can with the hand you're dealt. Continually comparing yourselves to others is toxic and just gives you a loser victim attitude. No one will go anywhere if they hold themselves back with these whiny victim thoughts.

If your friend thinks his life is shit, tell him to look at all the kids born in the garbage slums of India and China. Those kids never have a chance compared to all the opportunities he has had throughout life. If he thinks his house growing up was shit tell him to look up shanty towns in 3rd world countries. Then ask your friend to tell you he's a victim.

1st world problems.

F*ck whiners.

Suck it up, get over your sob story and do the best you can with what you have.

[Akrazotile]

life isn't fair. deal with it. Don't make excuses and victimize yourself and do the best you can with the hand you're dealt. Continually comparing yourselves to others is toxic and just gives you a loser victim attitude. No one will go anywhere if they hold themselves back with these whiny victim thoughts.

If your friend thinks his life is shit, tell him to look at all the kids born in the garbage slums of India and China. Those kids never have a chance compared to all the opportunities he has had throughout life. If he thinks his house growing up was shit tell him to look up shanty towns in 3rd world countries. Then ask your friend to tell you he's a victim.

1st world problems.

F*ck whiners.

Suck it up, get over your sob story and do the best you can with what you have.


Bingo. This shit about "well he grew up with this and that" is utterly pointless. Even if you redistributed and evened out every single dime in this country, some people would invest their money, some would use it on drugs. Some would work and aspire, others would not. Humans are not equal. Period. Different child upbringings are a result of this. Some kids go through hell and STILL make it. Other kids have it easy as shit and still end up in prison.

"It takes a village" to raise people properly and support each other. If you care about this shit, do something to help out in YOUR community. Lasy liberals want to sit on a throne and wave a magic wand to move this guys money over to that guy, tell this guy how much is too much, give that guy this or that. Make the rules but do none of the work. Create a huge bureaucracy that does little but get milked by cunning people.

The real difference that you can make that cant be manipulated or taken advantage of is to simply soend time helping people, especially kids. But libs dont wanna do that. They wanna go to university and party, lounge, get their degree in Crybaby Babysitting, complain that THEY arent being handed their choice of good jobs upon graduaton, and then ALSO complain that poor people have all these hardships. So much complaining, so little sensible action.

[Nick Young]

They also try to make people feel guilty for being successful.:facepalm

Phucking first world problems.


The way these people talk, the way that comic was written, I know that these people have zero idea what real suffering and real poverty look like.

They have zero idea how bad it can get, and how many advantages every single American has compared to most of the world's population.

Life isn't equal. It never will be. You can't socially engineer the world to change this fact.

Phucking Marxist bullshit.
Don't they realize that every single Marxist state in history has devolved in to a cabalistic hell hole?:facepalm

[NumberSix]

Has anybody ever found it odd that people who vote democrat want want to redistribute wealth, but people who vote republican give a lot more money to charity than people who vote democrat?

Simple rule. Democrats want to keep their own money, and redistribute somebody else's.

[Heilige]

Some people have it harder than others, everyone knows that...life is not fair.

Both Richard and Paula are flawed here though IMO...Richard is flawed for thinking he is entitled and was never handed anything, Paula is flawed for thinking "her place" is below others and settling for less.




Somewhere down the line though, Richards parents (or grandparents) made better decisions than Paula's, and Richard's parents earned the right to make life easier for Richard. I'm working hard now for my own son, I want him to have it like Richard does (but he needs to realize that he was helped).



This is how I see it. Life's not fair and all you can do is play the hands you were dealt.

Most people spend most of their lives trying to improve their situation relative to other people, ie. gain an advantage. It's BS to try to shame someone because they started off ahead. People have no more control over being born to a wealthy family than someone has control over being born in a poor family. And why would someone not use every advantage available to them in order to get ahead?

[Akrazotile]

Has anybody ever found it odd that people who vote democrat want want to redistribute wealth, but people who vote republican give a lot more money to charity than people who vote democrat?

Simple rule. Democrats want to keep their own money, and redistribute somebody else's.


Yep. Our society is a balance of right and left principles. It's these idiot kids who occupy the far left wing bc theyre bored and they dont understand life yet, or they refuse to accept it, that are the reason we have to go over this simplistic bullshit.

Like what the fvck does some skinny college hipster wannabe-intellectual in Boston really care how some small community in Arkansas wants to govern itself? Why the **** do they ACTUALLY want the federal government to lord over every corner? Its not bc its better for anyone, or bc these people really care. They just want to be seen looking smart and compassionate and uber enlightened. Its a ****ing shtick by loser adolescence who lack personal confidence, as a way of establishing some sort of place in society. Notice that young, athletic, preppy types usually lean right, and angsty, insecure, awkward skinny kids always cry to the left. The left is their sanctuary, their rallying point, and their identity lifeline. Its not like they actually care as much as they pretend to about the general good of society. Otherwise theyd go join the peace corp.

[iamgine]

The message is kind of wrong because Richard did work hard. A lot of privileged kids never get to the kind of status he's portrayed at here. It's like saying Lebron didn't work hard just because he has the genetically ideal NBA body. You can bet he work harder than 99% of other aspiring athletes to be where he's at.

[Akrazotile]

The message is kind of wrong because Richard did work hard. A lot of privileged kids never get to the kind of status he's portrayed at here. It's like saying Lebron didn't work hard just because he has the genetically ideal NBA body. You can bet he work harder than 99% of other aspiring athletes to be where he's at.


Shhhh! Dont interrupt! The weenies are having a very important pants-wetting session.

[BigBoss]

Statistically I think the message posted is more true then not. However, to be successful in any position you need a drive within you. It can be to impress your parents or it can be to get out poverty. The work will not do itself no matter how much help you get.

[Kblaze8855]

So....I mention that people are not coming up in the same situation and therefore you cant reasonably expect the same outcome...and im told life isnt fair?

What the **** do you think I was trying to say? That life is fair?

You want to have a go nowhere "libs" and republican argument...have it. Im not involved in that. Im talking the facts.

You can talk about the successful having to work for it all day....fact is most of them have better situations from which to work.

Acknowledging that reality shouldnt be a problem for people who seem to pride themselves on telling hard truths.

You dont get anywhere with either side lying about the bottom line.

The poor have a MUCH harder road to walk. Someone born on third base does not have so far to go.

Doesnt mean it cant be done....it does mean its a lot harder.

Admitting it doesnt make you an idealist or out of touch with the fact that it could harder if you were born in Peru with no eyelids....

All that dems/libs shit does is generate arguments that makes progress even harder to make.

Long as everyone is forming teams we wont get anywhere. Not even to a basic agreement of the facts that shouldnt be in dispute.

[NumberSix]

I don't even think that people on the left realize that people on the right are not in anyway against setting up programs to help less fortunate people. It's just a matter of whether the government should be involved.

Does anybody doubt that right-wing conservative Christians are more likely to give money or volunteer their time to help needy people than the left wing hipsters?

People on the left always try to frame people on the right as heartless greedy people who hate poor people and who's only solution is "boot straps", but the actual reality is that conservatives generally are more charitable than liberals.

[Nick Young]

booo hoo hoo:cry: :cry: :cry:

[~primetime~]

The comic strip isn't trying to illustrate that life is unfair, or that some people have it harder than others, etc...we all already know that

It's trying to illustrate the different false mind sets that are created...Richard feels entitled, in his mind he DESERVES to be on top because he worked hard to get there without anyone's help (false). Paula is so used to being underneath others that she feels that is where she belongs. In her mind she can only be so much. (false)

Richard needs to understand he is who he is because of his parents/upbringing, and Paula needs to understand she doesn't have to settle for less.

[Nick Young]

This is how I see it. Life's not fair and all you can do is play the hands you were dealt.

Most people spend most of their lives trying to improve their situation relative to other people, ie. gain an advantage. It's BS to try to shame someone because they started off ahead. People have no more control over being born to a wealthy family than someone has control over being born in a poor family. And why would someone not use every advantage available to them in order to get ahead?
yep.

This comic and the people behind it do nothing but encourage pity-parties and victims.

Everyone on the planet compare themself to someone richer who had more 'advantages' growing up. I bet even the kids who grew up under millionaire parents see themselves in Sophia, as they compare themself to a kid who's richer and has more.

First world problems.

[NumberSix]

So....I mention that people are not coming up in the same situation and therefore you cant reasonably expect the same outcome...and im told life isnt fair?

What the **** do you think I was trying to say? That life is fair?

You want to have a go nowhere "libs" and republican argument...have it. Im not involved in that. Im talking the facts.

You can talk about the successful having to work for it all day....fact is most of them have better situations from which to work.

Acknowledging that reality shouldnt be a problem for people who seem to pride themselves on telling hard truths.

You dont get anywhere with either side lying about the bottom line.

The poor have a MUCH harder road to walk. Someone born on third base does not have so far to go.

Doesnt mean it cant be done....it does mean its a lot harder.

Admitting it doesnt make you an idealist or out of touch with the fact that it could harder if you were born in Peru with no eyelids....

All that dems/libs shit does is generate arguments that makes progress even harder to make.

Long as everyone is forming teams we wont get anywhere. Not even to a basic agreement of the facts that shouldnt be in dispute.
That is literally what I did in my first post. I said in a free market society, some people will have advantages other people don't. But even the less advantaged people in a free market society are better off then people in countries with forced "equality" like Cuba.

[Kblaze8855]

So being a poor American is better than being a poor Hatian...or...virtually anything outside the first world. Im sure we all agree. Who are you even trying to convince?

You think anyone doesnt know the difference between first and third world poor?

[Hittin_Shots]

If movies have taught me anything these two are gonna end up together.

[Nick Young]

Do you expect me or anyone else to feel sorry for little sophia and her life of living in a heated house and TV under 2 hard working parents when there are millions of kids who grow up with no parents in literal shit hole shanty towns in China and India? GTFO.

Yes, every single person born in America has a million opportunities and chances to have a better life than 99% of the world's population.

So I don't see where people get off moaning and whinging when they grow up in comfortable lives like sophia in the comic had.

[NumberSix]

The comic strip isn't trying to illustrate that life is unfair, or that some people have it harder than others, etc...we all already know that

It's trying to illustrate the different false mind sets that are created...Richard feels entitled, in his mind he DESERVES to be on top because he worked hard to get there without anyone's help (false). Paula is so used to being underneath others that she feels that is where she belongs. In her mind she can only be so much. (false)

Richard needs to understand he is who he is because of his parents/upbringing, and Paula needs to understand she doesn't have to settle for less.
Well, in reality, rich kids generally are entitled little douchebags who think other people are beneath them. I'm sure a large amount of people born into wealth do in fact believe they are more deserving than others who aren't. People like that are assholes. We all get that.

The problem though is the false narrative that in a free market, you can't make it on your own merit. The exact opposite is true. The government interference that some advocate for would do the opposite of what they want. The more the government interferes, the harder it is to make it on your own merit.

More government control makes it more of an aristocracy where people who already have money can use their power to influence politicians who have the power to "regulate" the market to their advantage. If I'm a car maker, I can't make it on my own merit if the already established big car companies "lobby" the lawmakers to pass new regulations that work against me and in favor of them. I can only make it on my own merit if the government stays out of it all together. If I make a better car than the competition, the consumers will decide who succeeds, not the regulators.

[DeuceWallaces]

I don't even think that people on the left realize that people on the right are not in anyway against setting up programs to help less fortunate people. It's just a matter of whether the government should be involved.

Does anybody doubt that right-wing conservative Christians are more likely to give money or volunteer their time to help needy people than the left wing hipsters?

People on the left always try to frame people on the right as heartless greedy people who hate poor people and who's only solution is "boot straps", but the actual reality is that conservatives generally are more charitable than liberals.

You just spew garbage without ever producing any data to back it up. You're a talking toilet that's clogged with republican talking points. Can you back anything up with a study that doesn't come from the National Review?

[rufuspaul]

If movies have taught me anything these two are gonna end up together.

:lol

[Jameerthefear]

Yep. Our society is a balance of right and left principles. It's these idiot kids who occupy the far left wing bc theyre bored and they dont understand life yet, or they refuse to accept it, that are the reason we have to go over this simplistic bullshit.

Like what the fvck does some skinny college hipster wannabe-intellectual in Boston really care how some small community in Arkansas wants to govern itself? Why the **** do they ACTUALLY want the federal government to lord over every corner? Its not bc its better for anyone, or bc these people really care. They just want to be seen looking smart and compassionate and uber enlightened. Its a ****ing shtick by loser adolescence who lack personal confidence, as a way of establishing some sort of place in society. Notice that young, athletic, preppy types usually lean right, and angsty, insecure, awkward skinny kids always cry to the left. The left is their sanctuary, their rallying point, and their identity lifeline. Its not like they actually care as much as they pretend to about the general good of society. Otherwise theyd go join the peace corp.
:roll: You're a ****ing moron. Take a visit to 4chan and then come and say the same thing again.

[Nick Young]

Society is incentivizing victim hood and making it cool to be a victim now:facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Society is incentivizing victim hood and making it cool to be a victim now:facepalm
It all can be traced back to modern day feminism.

[NumberSix]

You just spew garbage without ever producing any data to back it up. You're a talking toilet that's clogged with republican talking points. Can you back anything up with a study that doesn't come from the National Review?
It's a pretty well known fact that conservatives are more charitable than liberals.


It turns out that the old Bushism about “compassionate conservatism” may not be a myth after all. In a new analysis of Internal Revenue Service tax records, the Chronicle of Philanthropy on Monday ranked U.S. cities and states by how much money their residents give to charity. The bottom line? People in red states are more generous with their green.

The study, which compared IRS data from 2012 with data from 2006, showed that the 17 most “generous” states -- as measured by the percentage of their income they donated to charity -- voted for Mitt Romney in the last presidential election. The seven states at the bottom of the list, meanwhile, voted for Barack Obama.

Exactly why is a bit of a mystery. Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy, said the data only showed how much money people gave away, not which types of organizations they gave to. But generally speaking, she said it’s fair to assume that political ideology aligns to some extent with ideas about charitable giving.

“Not to be too simplistic about it, but if you believe that government should take care of basic social services, then you’re going to go that way,” Palmer told International Business Times. “If you think charities should take care of things, and not government, then you’re probably going to give more generously to charity.”

A more verifiable metric, Palmer said, is the role of religion. The states that topped the Chronicle’s generosity list also tended to be the ones with the highest rate of churchgoers. “We’ve been looking at this over many different years, and we know that religion matters a lot,” she said. It could be that the faithful are generally more inclined to donate their money to charitable causes. Or, it could be that the faithful are more likely to donate money to their own churches and religious communities.

A quick look at the interactive map compiled by the Chronical reveals that the “Bible Belt” states such as Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia gave away a higher percentage of their income, while states in the Northeast, Midwest and West Coast gave less.

Utah, home to the highest concentration of Mormons in the country, was ranked as the most generous state, with residents there giving away $65.60 for every $1,000 they earned. But that figure could be a bit misleading, as much of this presumed generosity could simply reflect Mormons donating money to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The LDS church takes in an estimated $7 billion annually in tithes and other donations, according to Reuters, and active members are expected to donate at least 10 percent of their income to their church.

Mississippi, which has the highest rate of churchgoers in the country according to a 2010 Gallup poll, was No. 2 on the Chronicle’s generosity list, with residents there giving away 4.99 percent of their income. Alabama, the state with the second-highest rate of churchgoers, is not far behind, with Alabamans giving away 4.81 percent of their income.

On the other end of the scale, some of the least generous states are those with the highest rates of atheists. Residents of Vermont, the state with the least church-goers according to Gallup, gave away just 2 percent of their income, according to the Chronicle. New Hampshire, meanwhile, is apparently living up to its “live free or die” motto. The state ranked at the bottom of the generosity list, with just 1.74 percent of residents giving money to charity.

Charitable giving ranked by city shows a similar trend. Salt Lake City ranked at the top of the list, followed by Memphis; Birmingham, Alabama; and Atlanta. At the bottom are Boston; San Jose, California; and Providence, Rhode Island. Hartford, Connecticut, is last.
Like I said. People who vote republican give more money to charity than people who vote democrat.

[Jameerthefear]

Can't believe Birmingham and Memphis are up there wow.

[nightprowler10]

I think primetime is the only one that gets the message of this strip. It's not trying to make a political statement. The message is simply for people like Richard to realize that while they got to where they are by working hard, they should have enough humility to understand that they had opportunities many if not most people don't have. These advantages don't define what you will become, but they allow you to not have as many setbacks that matter.

People like Paula on the other hand need to realize that while life has dealt them a rough hand, and mentally it's easy to just accept your life for what it is, you can never stop demanding more out of life.

Ultimately I think if all Paula has ever had are setbacks that forced her to give up on her dreams because she couldn't afford to chase them (financially or otherwise), it's really difficult to get out of that mindset that "this is who I am".

[Nick Young]

I used to work in the charity sector and I can tell you for a fact that poor people donate much more to charities than rich people do.

[Nick Young]

It all can be traced back to modern day feminism.
3rd wave feminism. 2nd wave and first wave feminists were generally all right IMO.

[~primetime~]

I think primetime is the only one that gets the message of this strip. It's not trying to make a political statement. The message is simply for people like Richard to realize that while they got to where they are by working hard, they should have enough humility to understand that they had opportunities many if not most people don't have. These advantages don't define what you will become, but they allow you to not have as many setbacks that matter.

People like Paula on the other hand need to realize that while life has dealt them a rough hand, and mentally it's easy to just accept your life for what it is, you can never stop demanding more out of life.

Ultimately I think if all Paula has ever had are setbacks that forced her to give up on her dreams because she couldn't afford to chase them (financially or otherwise), it's really difficult to get out of that mindset that "this is who I am".
exactly, future repped

[NumberSix]

3rd wave feminism. 2nd wave and first wave feminists were generally all right IMO.
It's not feminism. There's nothing inherently wrong with feminism. There's just too many Marxists posing as feminists.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

The message is kind of wrong because Richard did work hard. A lot of privileged kids never get to the kind of status he's portrayed at here. It's like saying Lebron didn't work hard just because he has the genetically ideal NBA body. You can bet he work harder than 99% of other aspiring athletes to be where he's at.

Exactly.

Why are they wasting energy to create two strips speculating that says Richard "Believes he deserves it" and 2 strips down him giving unsolicited advice.

... Does anyone know a person like that? In real life? Lol.

Never have I ever met a human being, born in that situation, behave like that.

Either they're down to earth or they know they've got it good.

[nightprowler10]

I used to work in the charity sector and I can tell you for a fact that poor people donate much more to charities than rich people do.
Children Who Are More Altruistic Have Greater Autonomic Flexibility and Less Family Wealth (http://www.docdroid.net/1293f/psychological-science-2015-miller-0956797615578476.pdf.html)

[Lamar Doom]

Comic was almost as heavy handed as some of the replies.

It was no Marmaduke but I laughed at the end when the poor girl was serving him oysters.