View Full Version : Shaq would take prime kobe over prime Lebron
zoom17
06-01-2015, 05:42 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25201972/shaquille-oneal-says-hed-take-kobe-bryant-in-his-prime-over-lebron-james?FTAG=YHF7e3228e
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edrick
06-01-2015, 05:46 PM
Of course he would, far more offensive rebounds and easy points for him.
LikeABosh
06-01-2015, 05:47 PM
He just has good memories of carrying Kobe to 3 championships, while he spent just one season in Cleveland as a corpse of himself.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
06-01-2015, 05:47 PM
Of course he would, far more offensive rebounds and easy points for him.
That doesn't even make sense. Shaq would get easier buckets with LeBron, and would have to work harder playing with Kobe (grabbing rebounds).
Anyway Shaq played with both, in their respective primes, so he outta know.
Of course he would, far more offensive rebounds and easy points for him.
:lol
But honestly, Shaq acknowledges, like everyone else does, that the triangle is awesome and at least Kobe can play within the triangle. Shaq knows he'll get his touches and get the ball where he likes. He knows where his shots will come from. Lebron probably couldn't play in the triangle because everything runs through him, hence the term "Lebron ball". He also sees how Love didn't really get the ball in the posts this year. Role players play best with Lebron if they're pretty much perimeter oriented. While Kevin Love can shoot, he can also play inside.
Bran stans predictably insecure. :oldlol:
ShawkFactory
06-01-2015, 05:50 PM
His reasoning was because he played with Kobe longer
Doranku
06-01-2015, 05:50 PM
Bron stans gonna avoid this thread like the plague.
The best part is Shaq didn't even play with peak Kobe. He's basing this off '96-04 Kobe. And is taking that version of Kobe over prime LeBron.
Brutal L for the LeBron family. :oldlol:
ShawkFactory
06-01-2015, 05:55 PM
Plus Kobe is clearly a more perimeter-oriented guy than Lebron, this is a better fit with Shaq.
Either way, the article is meh
Levity
06-01-2015, 05:56 PM
oh, man. can't wait for the long-winded write ups we'll be subjected to
Shaq is entitled to his opinion. :confusedshrug:
It's not like he said anything outrageous (ie David West>Tim Duncan)
He just has good memories of carrying Kobe to 3 championships, while he spent just one season in Cleveland as a corpse of himself.
Wrong on both accounts Silk. Kobe was a top 10 player and the best SG in the NBA in 2000, and a top 2-3 player in 2001 and 2002 and the Co-MVP of the last 2 titles, therefore he was not "carried." Shaq, although past his prime and obviously no longer as dominating as he once was in Cleveland, was an All-Star the year before joining the Cavs. Shaq could still give you 15-18ppg and 8-10rpg in 20-25 minutes every night. He was still a presence on defense and an enforcer, brought to the Cavs specifically to neutralize Dwight. In fact, after signing Antwon Jamison and Shaq, it was pretty much a forgone conclusion that the Cavs were a lock for the title or at the very least we'd finally get a LeBron vs Kobe Finals.
AlphaWolf24
06-01-2015, 06:04 PM
of course he would....Prime Kobe was the better player...
that's like asking if Horace Grant would take Prime Shaq or Prime MJ.....
I'm sure he would pick MJ 10 outta 10 times..
Bron stans gonna avoid this thread like the plague.
The best part is Shaq didn't even play with peak Kobe. He's basing this off '96-04 Kobe. And is taking that version of Kobe over prime LeBron.
Brutal L for the LeBron family. :oldlol:
This is kind've stupid. You Kobe fans shouldn't need any reaffirmation of Kobe's greatness. Shaq is just one person. Of course he'd probably pick Kobe. Doesn't change the fact that most people who aren't stans of Kobe or Lebron would say Lebron is a better overall player. This is not news.
So as much as you guys want to clown the Lebron stans. Its not a good reflection on you guys either because it feels like you guys are constantly looking for reasons that Kobe is better and you guys side with whoever makes you feel that he is. Half the Kobe fans can't stand Shaq and I bet they will be right in this thread like "herp, derp, see Shaq said, told you Kobe is the bestest"!!!
Its stupid, its so stupid. Did I mention that I hate stans?(not calling you a stan, don't know if you are or not, I don't think you are).
catch24
06-01-2015, 06:25 PM
Shaq basically stating the obvious. Kobe's proven more, and at this stage, can be trusted more too.
I have Kobe @ 8 or 9 all-time. LeBron is right there w/ Hakeem at 10 or 11.
Well Lebron need more spacing, due to his style, and thats something Shaq couldn't give for obvious reasons.
So Kobe fit better, despite LJ being a better player IMO.
Shaq basically stating the obvious. Kobe's proven more, and at this stage, can be trusted more too.
I have Kobe @ 8 or 9 all-time. LeBron is right there w/ Hakeem at 10 or 11.
I agree with this. Lebron has a chance though to move up to #7 POSSIBLY #6.
Indian guy
06-01-2015, 06:37 PM
The best part is Shaq didn't even play with peak Kobe.
Shaq played with an 18-25 year old Kobe. He played with a 25 year old LeBron for 1 season. So he didn't get to see either player's peak. And who he picked doesn't say much of anything. He played with Kobe for 8 seasons and won 3 championships with him. He's not going to pick a guy he played with for 1 season over him. Players are always more loyal to the guy they played with and Shaq kinda admits to as much himself
"I played with both of them," O'Neal said. "You know, Kobe has that killer instinct. And I'd probably have to go with Kobe. That's not a knock against LeBron. It's just that I know Kobe and I played with him longer. I've seen what he can do."
Shaq's a huge believer in LeBron, btw. His last autobiography, Shaq Uncut, came right after the 2011 Finals when LeBron's stock was at an all time low. Shaq talks about all 4 perimeter superstars he played with in it - Penny, Kobe, Wade and LeBron. When he gets to LeBron, I was completely taken aback by how assured Shaq was in his greatness. He feigned some mild disappointment/surprise over LeBron's 2011 collapse, but saw no detrimental shortcomings in his game that would prevent him from winning in the future. And it would've been very easy to do so too considering the 2011 finals had just concluded. In fact, he basically talked about the same things he did today - that LeBron does have a killer instinct, can and absolutely will take over a game if necessary, and that he was the smartest of 'em all - someone who had already figured everything out about the game. I was totally taken aback by how much he believed in LeBron.
G0ATbe
06-01-2015, 06:38 PM
Well Kobe did lead him to a 3 peat. LeBald led him to playoff exits and then bolted to another team:confusedshrug: .
Straight_Ballin
06-01-2015, 06:42 PM
Shaq basically stating the obvious. Kobe's proven more, and at this stage, can be trusted more too.
I have Kobe @ 8 or 9 all-time. LeBron is right there w/ Hakeem at 10 or 11.
Sounds about right.
ShawkFactory
06-01-2015, 06:42 PM
Well Kobe did lead him to a 3 peat. LeBald led him to playoff exits and then bolted to another team:confusedshrug: .
Exits? Plural? :rockon:
24-Inch_Chrome
06-01-2015, 06:47 PM
Well Kobe did lead him to a 3 peat. LeBald led him to playoff exits and then bolted to another team:confusedshrug: .
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Lakers Legend#32
06-01-2015, 06:56 PM
This really says a lot considering Shaq still hates Kobe.
Besides Kobe has 5 rings to Lebron's only 2.
Well Lebron need more spacing, due to his style, and thats something Shaq couldn't give for obvious reasons.
So Kobe fit better, despite LJ being a better player IMO.
This wasn't a question of fit, or who he would rather play with. He was answering who's better, and he chose Kobe.
Kingwillball
06-01-2015, 07:05 PM
of course he would....Prime Kobe was the better player...
that's like asking if Horace Grant would take Prime Shaq or Prime MJ.....
I'm sure he would pick MJ 10 outta 10 times..
Lol.. U wish he was..
What Shaq is trying to say in this interview is that he values players who can rely on themselves.
He responded to the question of MJ or Lebron by saying that Mike is like Kobe in that they both have the drive and initiative to get it done and that you need someone like that on the team to players can play off them when it's needed and elevate their greatness.
With Lebron, it's like his teammates are extensions of himself or tools. They need to make cuts and get to their spots. With MJ and Kobe, they let other players do their thing. Kobe never made Pau a role player and always fed Pau the ball in the post because that's Pau's strength. MJ let Scottie be the primary ball handler and facilitator, something MJ was accustomed to being.
With Lebron, he makes his teammates extensions of his game. Look what Kyrie, Love, Wade, and Bosh were all capable of before playing with Lebron. Look at their numbers while playing with Lebron. Watch games from how they were accustomed to playing before and what they were asked to do while playing with Lebron.
Lebron's style works, don't get me wrong. He won two titles with it. It's the same style that Magic plays with. It's just preference.
Optimus Prime
06-01-2015, 07:24 PM
Shaq is old school and can cut through all the media hype. He's just speaking the truth. LeBron is good. Kobe is better.
:kobe:
Cold soul
06-01-2015, 07:26 PM
Who am I to question Shaq viewpoint he played with both I agree with him I would take prime Kobe over Lebron but I have no problem with anyone picking Lebron, he has a case.
allball
06-01-2015, 07:32 PM
I like both players. Prime Kobe was a beast. Prime Lebron was/is a beast. pick your poison.
jstern
06-01-2015, 07:34 PM
What I found most interesting is O'Neil really making the point that Lebron is really smart. Because I think Lebron is very, very smart.
jstern
06-01-2015, 07:39 PM
I heard the interview and it was cringe worthy. Shaq is really bad on the phone.
Wade's Rings
06-01-2015, 07:53 PM
I'd take what Shaq says with a grain of salt. This is the same guy who said T-Mac/Reggie/C-Webb > Wade, said Wade was a 2nd Option for all of his Titles, and said he should've won the 2006 MVP :lol
sd3035
06-01-2015, 07:58 PM
Shaq played with both, and hated Kobe. He really had to swallow his pride to say that. Kobe was obviously much better than Lebaldo
NBASTATMAN
06-01-2015, 08:03 PM
Didn't shaq point out Killer Instinct when he made this comment... Shaq believes Kobe was better cuz of his killer instinct.. If I made the decision between both players I would pick Lebron if I needed a leader and all around player but I would pick Kobe if I needed to win games with scoring and making shots...
At this point Kobe has to be rated over Lebron in most peoples book.. At least the guys who acknowledge Kobe's greatness... It is gettting close though and if Lebron wins this year its a wrap.. :rockon:
sd3035
06-01-2015, 08:07 PM
Didn't shaq point out Killer Instinct when he made this comment... Shaq believes Kobe was better cuz of his killer instinct.. If I made the decision between both players I would pick Lebron if I needed a leader and all around player but I would pick Kobe if I needed to win games with scoring and making shots...
At this point Kobe has to be rated over Lebron in most peoples book.. At least the guys who acknowledge Kobe's greatness... It is gettting close though and if Lebron wins this year its a wrap.. :rockon:
Only company men who are trying to suck up to Silver would ever even put Lebaldo's name in the same discussion as Kobe
jstern
06-01-2015, 08:25 PM
I'd take what Shaq says with a grain of salt. This is the same guy who said T-Mac/Reggie/C-Webb > Wade, said Wade was a 2nd Option for all of his Titles, and said he should've won the 2006 MVP :lol
He might have also said that because news came out about him threatening go kill Kobe, and picking Kobe could be a way of softening things.
MEB2kDeez
06-01-2015, 08:26 PM
Prime Kobe was a man possessed.
Shaq played with an 18-25 year old Kobe. He played with a 25 year old LeBron for 1 season. So he didn't get to see either player's peak. And who he picked doesn't say much of anything. He played with Kobe for 8 seasons and won 3 championships with him. He's not going to pick a guy he played with for 1 season over him. Players are always more loyal to the guy they played with and Shaq kinda admits to as much himself
Shaq's a huge believer in LeBron, btw. His last autobiography, Shaq Uncut, came right after the 2011 Finals when LeBron's stock was at an all time low. Shaq talks about all 4 perimeter superstars he played with in it - Penny, Kobe, Wade and LeBron. When he gets to LeBron, I was completely taken aback by how assured Shaq was in his greatness. He feigned some mild disappointment/surprise over LeBron's 2011 collapse, but saw no detrimental shortcomings in his game that would prevent him from winning in the future. And it would've been very easy to do so too considering the 2011 finals had just concluded. In fact, he basically talked about the same things he did today - that LeBron does have a killer instinct, can and absolutely will take over a game if necessary, and that he was the smartest of 'em all - someone who had already figured everything out about the game. I was totally taken aback by how much he believed in LeBron.
Way too much logic, no wonder your post got skipped........
Duncan21formvp
06-01-2015, 08:31 PM
Prime Shaq played with Lebron and the furthest they got was round 2.
Wade's Rings
06-01-2015, 09:26 PM
Prime Shaq played with Lebron and the furthest they got was round 2.
:biggums:
funnystuff
06-01-2015, 09:28 PM
Of course he would, far more offensive rebounds and easy points for him.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
funnystuff
06-01-2015, 09:31 PM
of course he would....Prime Kobe was the better player...
that's like asking if Horace Grant would take Prime Shaq or Prime MJ.....
I'm sure he would pick MJ 10 outta 10 times..
AW24 furthering himself as one of the dumbest trolls. :bowdown: :bowdown:
sportjames23
06-01-2015, 10:22 PM
That doesn't even make sense. Shaq would get easier buckets with LeBron, and would have to work harder playing with Kobe (grabbing rebounds).
Anyway Shaq played with both, in their respective primes, so he outta know.
Funny how Bron stans will push their agenda when any retired player that props Bron over MJ or Kobe, but they get mad as **** when any of them say they'd take MJ or Kobe over Bron. :oldlol:
Cold soul
06-01-2015, 10:46 PM
Prime Kobe was a man possessed.
Agreed especially during 09 playoffs he was not going to be denied no matter what.
Moneyshot
06-01-2015, 11:05 PM
kind've stupid
:facepalm
Laker Logic
06-01-2015, 11:12 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25201972/shaquille-oneal-says-hed-take-kobe-bryant-in-his-prime-over-lebron-james?FTAG=YHF7e3228e
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B...b...but Jared Dudley says nobody wants to play with Kobe and Dudley's opinion >>>> Shaq's amirite?
LOL
Cold soul
06-01-2015, 11:23 PM
B...b...but Jared Dudley says nobody wants to play with Kobe and Dudley's opinion >>>> Shaq's amirite?
LOL
I know right? :oldlol:
:facepalm
Kind of....
Happy?
JohnFreeman
06-01-2015, 11:50 PM
Shaq wants to play with someone who cant out perform him, obviously.
TheMarkMadsen
06-01-2015, 11:55 PM
Shaq wants to play with someone who cant out perform him, obviously.
Kobe out performed the big cactus multiple times
AirTupac
06-02-2015, 12:16 AM
Kobe out performed the big cactus multiple times
Dat ether
Showtime2001
06-02-2015, 12:17 AM
Shaq wants to play with someone who cant out perform him, obviously.
Sorry he's already out performed him plenty of times.
Cold soul
06-02-2015, 12:21 AM
Sorry he's already out performed him plenty of times.
Yes of course especially in western conference playoffs multiple times Kobe had better overall series than Shaq.
Quickening
06-02-2015, 05:25 AM
B...b...but Jared Dudley says nobody wants to play with Kobe and Dudley's opinion >>>> Shaq's amirite?
LOL
Huh? What has prime Kobe got to do with post 2010 Kobe?
And Shaq was comfortably number 1 option on lakers with Kobe, and everyone knows how insecure he is. If he played with Lebron then its debatable.
I don't get it, with all the info available, are there still people who genuinely believe Kobe is/was a better basketball player than Bron or even close?
yeaaaman
06-03-2015, 02:26 AM
I know I'm late but I though this was interesting, especially now seeing the poll ESPN posted.
61% of 19,074 people who voted think Kobe was better in his prime than Lebron in his.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/12996326/shaq-pick-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-their-primes
HOoopCityJones
06-03-2015, 02:40 AM
I know I'm late but I though this was interesting, especially now seeing the poll ESPN posted.
61% of 19,074 people who voted think Kobe was better in his prime than Lebron in his.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/12996326/shaq-pick-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-their-primes
In B4 the damage control.
BigBoss
06-03-2015, 02:46 AM
Shaq fell off so hard
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