If LeBron wins a ring this year, do ALL CRITICISMS OF HIM VANISH?

[Kidbasketball20]

Pretty much, right?

The knock on him with the Heat was he took the easy way out.


Well now he went to a pretty mediocre injury ridden team and if he wins, will have beaten the current MVP and arguably the best team in the league.

3 rings including for his hometown, plus all the MVP's and future All Star 1st teams that still await him.



Watch out Jordan. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :pimp: :banana: :cheers: :roll:


:coleman:

[Eric Cartman]

2/6

[masonanddixon]

No, he joined two superstars in Cleveland and is facing a mediocre Warriors squad

[YouGotServed]

No, he joined two superstars in Cleveland and is facing a mediocre Warriors squad

I'm sorry, I don't speak 1st round fodder. Come again in conference finals.

[JerrySeinfeld]

and if he doesn't?

will be 2/6 having not done jack shit without Wade, the guy he screwed out of another ring and FMVP

[dunksby]

He will gain the respect he lost after the Decision back, at least in my case.

[masonanddixon]

I'm sorry, I don't speak 1st round fodder. Come again in conference finals.

LOL Conference Finals? Keep your mouth shut son, until your team wins a ring.

[fiddy]

2/6
/thread

[YouGotServed]

LOL Conference Finals? Keep your mouth shut son, until your team wins a ring.

I'm sorry, I don't speak 1st round exit. Let me get this post in Conference Finals.

[masonanddixon]

I'm sorry, I don't speak 1st round exit. Let me get this post in Conference Finals.

Who the hell brags about making the WCF? LOL SON, wake up to yourself.

[YouGotServed]

Who the hell brags about making the WCF? LOL SON, wake up to yourself.

Can I get this post in Conference Finals? I'm not fluent in 1st round fodder.

[masonanddixon]

Can I get this post in Conference Finals? I'm not fluent in 1st round fodder.

Sure you are, your team has only got past it twice in the past 20 years!

[YouGotServed]

Sure you are, your team has only got past it twice in the past 20 years!

Let me get this post in conference finals.

[masonanddixon]

Let me get this post in conference finals.

You just got served, sonny boyo.

[YouGotServed]

You just got served, sonny boyo.

Me no speakie 1st round. In conference finals plz.

[Sakkreth]

Me no speakie 1st round. In conference finals plz.

He won't understand you, he doesn't speak conference finals.

[Knicks101]

masonanddixon wrecking this Jabroni damn.

[sportjames23]

Pretty much, right?

The knock on him with the Heat was he took the easy way out.


Well now he went to a pretty mediocre injury ridden team and if he wins, will have beaten the current MVP and arguably the best team in the league.

3 rings including for his hometown, plus all the MVP's and future All Star 1st teams that still await him.



Watch out Jordan. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :pimp: :banana: :cheers: :roll:


:coleman:


Did 2007-2011 & and 2014 get erased from history?

[Rocketswin2013]

If he dominates, and they beat this super-stacked Warriors team, it'll do wonders for his legacy. And if he does that, I never wanna hear about Curry being a transcendent talent ever again. Ever.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Pretty much, right?

The knock on him with the Heat was he took the easy way out.


Well now he went to a pretty mediocre injury ridden team and if he wins, will have beaten the current MVP and arguably the best team in the league.

3 rings including for his hometown, plus all the MVP's and future All Star 1st teams that still await him.



Watch out Jordan. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :pimp: :banana: :cheers: :roll:


:coleman:
No. He plays in a weak Eastern Conference.

[pauk]

What criticism?

Easy way out? The guy carried that team more and had to/did do more in order to win than 99.99% players of all time....

[MEB2kDeez]

Did 2007-2011 & and 2014 get erased from history?
:rockon:

[lilteapot]

The people who criticize him today will criticize him no matter what. Idiocy finds a way.

If he wins with the current Lakers roster, people will still find a way to discredit him.

[JohnFreeman]

Already a top 10 player all time

[Papaya Petee]

What criticism?

Easy way out? The guy carried that team more and had to/did do more in order to win than 99.99% players of all time....
:facepalm No, no he didn't. You ignorant moron.

[oh the horror]

Criticisms certainly diminish in terms of how he would have achieved a ring this year having to go through what is a better Warriors team.


But it still doesn't change the fact that the east is amazingly impossibly weak. BUT he still essentially carried this Cavs team by himself to a ring (if they do win)


It doesn't erase his past of choking away a finals against Dallas, getting swept by the Spurs or losing last year to the Spurs. Those things happened and they are apart of the ether as well. You can't just claim amnesia

[Kblaze8855]

He's the most criticized player in the league even though if you took away his two championship runs he still has a better career than all but maybe six players to enter the league in the last 30 years.

Four MVP's and six finals at the age of 30? If he had lost all 6 he has a better career than Karl Malone and there are more than a few people who put Karl in the top 15 or so players of all time.

He has an all-time great career if he had never won. But he in fact has won 2 rings already and it's still the most criticized player in basketball. So why would it end when his career is even more impressive?

Four MVPs and 5 straight finals with two rings and finals MVPs hasn't quieted a single person who was hating on him all alone. Clearly they aren't going to stop no matter what.

Hate isnt results based. It isn't based on the merits. It just is what it is.

[KNOW1EDGE]

K BLAZE :cheers:

The hate MIGHT SLIGHTLY diminish, but will never go away. This forum will ALWAYS be full of "Queen James" threads.

LeBron is already one of the best to ever do it, top 15 surely and IMO top 10.

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm No, no he didn't. You ignorant moron.
What other players who've won B2B titles led their team in MP, points, rebounds, assists and steals for the entire postseason for both titles?

[kamil]

His collusion will always be a black mark on his resume, forever stamped with asterisks.

[pegasus]

What criticism?

Easy way out? The guy carried that team more and had to/did do more in order to win than 99.99% players of all time....
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Even you can't be dense enough to believe your own BS.

[MMM]

Did 2007-2011 & and 2014 get erased from history?

why does he deserve criticism for 2007 and 2008????

He led a mediocre team to the Finals in 07. Didn't he erase a 0-2 deficit against the heavy favorite Pistons in the ECF. Yes he got swept in the Finals but he isn't the first young star to suffer a sweep at the hands of a superior team.

In 08 he took another mediocre team to the playoffs and they nearly stole a series from the eventual champs.

the next 3 seasons he deserves criticisms but his 2012, 2013, and this season have made up for a lot of his short comings

[sd3035]

playing on one of the most stacked teams ever, ref help, shooting like 40%, weak east


so no

[MMM]

playing on one of the most stacked teams ever, ref help, shooting like 40%, weak east


so no

Were the 2011- 2014 really that stacked????
is his current team that stacked???

I mean if they were really that stacked shouldn't they be remember as one of the better championship teams over the last decade n half. Just got a sense that most people would rank them among the middle of the pack. Wade and Bosh didn't always give stud production from 2012 and on and they did rely a lot on bench role players taking turns stepping up.

The Cavs are also not giving off a stacked vibe. Maybe at one point in time the perception of the team was one of being stacked but with all the injuries they too rely on role players taking turns to step up. If we ignore LBJs importance

[HOoopCityJones]

This ni99a YouGotServed starstruck by a WCF birth.

"I'm sorry I don't speak semi Finals"

[Megabox!]

why does he deserve criticism for 2007 and 2008????

He led a mediocre team to the Finals in 07. Didn't he erase a 0-2 deficit against the heavy favorite Pistons in the ECF. Yes he got swept in the Finals but he isn't the first young star to suffer a sweep at the hands of a superior team.

In 08 he took another mediocre team to the playoffs and they nearly stole a series from the eventual champs.

the next 3 seasons he deserves criticisms but his 2012, 2013, and this season have made up for a lot of his short comings
He doesn't deserve it for the 09' playoffs either. Dude was on a rampage, teammates just couldn't hit their shots

[ShawkFactory]

playing on one of the most stacked teams ever, ref help, shooting like 40%, weak east


so no
You're like a robot

[diamenz]

to me, he'll always be a clown. great player no doubt, but a clown who gets no respect from me or anybody with the ability to fully measure a man.

top ten if he brings two or more rings to cleveland and doesn't somehow ruin his legacy even more.

[Droid101]

Cavs are +12.5 per 100 possessions when LeBron is NOT playing this post season.

Cavs are stacked to hell.

[Levity]

If Cavs win it all this year, i have him at the #1 player that likes to dance with his teammates before games.

[Done_And_Done]

Respect will be earned. That's all I can say at this point.

[inclinerator]

to me, he'll always be a clown. great player no doubt, but a clown who gets no respect from me or anybody with the ability to fully measure a man.

top ten if he brings two or more rings to cleveland and doesn't somehow ruin his legacy even more.
how is he a clown? dwight is one, i dont see how lebron is

[Eric Cartman]

If Cavs win it all this year, i have him at the #1 player that likes to dance with his teammates before games.
Current rank?

[iamgine]

If LeBron wins a ring this year, do ALL CRITICISMS OF HIM VANISH?
No the criticism won't vanish to answer your question.

[Beastmode88]

Lebron's been balling lately but i still can't forgive him for colluding and choking in 2011. But if he wins this year he has a slight edge in my top 10 over hakeem.

[Levity]

Current rank?

#2, right behind lisa leslie.

[MMM]

Cavs are +12.5 per 100 possessions when LeBron is NOT playing this post season.

Cavs are stacked to hell.

but does this pass the eye test???

[riseagainst]

what is yougotserved so angry about?

:biggums:

[tomtucker]

#2, right behind lisa leslie.
:oldlol: :cheers:

[Eric Cartman]

#2, right behind lisa leslie.
In.

[PP34Deuce]

This reminds me of Kobe... Kobe had the "He got his rings from Shaq" Then he won his rings as the best player without debate and the critics laid off him. Now Kobe is in the twilight..

Lebron has not over taken Kobes hate and stan personas.

[Doranku]

This ni99a YouGotServed starstruck by a WCF birth.

"I'm sorry I don't speak semi Finals"
:oldlol: Go easy on the guy. The Rockets probably won't make it back to the WCF for another decade.

[DMAVS41]

If Lebron can pull this off...it's definitely going to be the defining year of his career when it's all done.

To leave the Heat and join this Cavs squad with little to no playoff experience and a first year head coach...to get this team a title in year 1 with an injured Love and hobbled Kyrie...that would be the peak of his career.

To beat this Warriors team without home court under these circumstances....just would do a lot.

I don't think he can do it, but if he does...then yea...pretty much erases all criticism unless you are comparing him to MJ...that's really the only player where 07, 10, and 11 lackluster performances would really ever get brought up.

He does this...and he'll leapfrog, for me, every player of the post MJ era other than Duncan on my list.

[pegasus]

If Lebron can pull this off...it's definitely going to be the defining year of his career when it's all done.

To leave the Heat and join this Cavs squad with little to no playoff experience and a first year head coach...to get this team a title in year 1 with an injured Love and hobbled Kyrie...that would be the peak of his career.

To beat this Warriors team without home court under these circumstances....just would do a lot.

I don't think he can do it, but if he does...then yea...pretty much erases all criticism unless you are comparing him to MJ...that's really the only player where 07, 10, and 11 lackluster performances would really ever get brought up.

He does this...and he'll leapfrog, for me, every player of the post MJ era other than Duncan on my list.
:wtf:

Even if he continues to shoot the same way and his teammates step up big time like they did in the previous two rounds?

[livinglegend]

YGS has made so many posters angry :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Well done. :applause:

[livinglegend]

:wtf:

Even if he continues to shoot the same way and his teammates step up big time like they did in the previous two rounds?

His teammates stepping up has a lot to do with him.
What were Delly, Shump without Lebron? :oldlol:
Many were laughing when Cavs traded for JR.
They called him Waiters 2.0.

[pegasus]

His teammates stepping up has a lot to do with him.
What were Delly, Shump without Lebron? :oldlol:
Those two are playing great D. That's their main contribution. You're gonna give credit to Lebron for that? To someone who, at times, plays like their weakest link on defense? TT and JR are the biggest difference makers. JR is creating his own shots or making tough, contested ones off of Lebron's passes. TT and Mozgov are locking down the painted area, contesting every shot, grabbing every rebound. Again, that's all because of Lebron?

[livinglegend]

Those two are playing great D. That's their main contribution. You're gonna give credit to Lebron for that? To someone who, at times, plays like their weakest link on defense? TT and JR are the biggest difference makers. JR is creating his own shots or making tough, contested ones off of Lebron's passes. TT and Mozgov are locking down the painted area, contesting every shot, grabbing every rebound. Again, that's all because of Lebron?

Yes. Lebron motivated them.
Made them work hard. Gave them confidence.
Lebron made them.

[BlazerRed]

Either proves he can do it without the most stacked team in the league, or he fails and proves he can't.

[pegasus]

Yes. Lebron motivated them.
Made them work hard. Gave them confidence.
Lebron made them.
And if they don't play as well in the finals, it'll be because Lebron is a bad leader?

[Rondo]

Pretty much, right?

The knock on him with the Heat was he took the easy way out.


Well now he went to a pretty mediocre injury ridden team and if he wins, will have beaten the current MVP and arguably the best team in the league.

3 rings including for his hometown, plus all the MVP's and future All Star 1st teams that still await him.



Watch out Jordan. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :pimp: :banana: :cheers: :roll:


:coleman:

Serious question here. Which part of joining up with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love in the Eastern Conference is "mediocre"?

[livinglegend]

And if they don't play as well in the finals, it'll be because Lebron is a bad leader?

No, it will be because gsw are one of the GOAT teams.

[Kidbasketball20]

Serious question here. Which part of joining up with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love in the Eastern Conference is "mediocre"?

Well Kyrie isn't 100% and Love is out against the Warriors.

[riseagainst]

if lebron can beat the Warriors, then he is top 3 all time.

[3ball]

Well Kyrie isn't 100% and Love is out against the Warriors.
Kyrie has tendinitis.. That's not even an injury.

He's had 10 days off... To make an excuse is merely a microcosm of the soft state of the game.

No excuses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oAZ6BMx5aQ

[PP34Deuce]

Kyrie has tendinitis.. That's not even an injury.

He's had 10 days off... To make an excuse is merely a microcosm of the soft state of the game.

No excuses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oAZ6BMx5aQ


He's probably about 70-75 percent of his capability right now. That said, GSW are much healthier and if Lebron has a big series and they win, It will save his legacy. it will have cleveland fans forget about losing wiggins. His team is not the most talented in this current state.

I laugh at how much people hate Lebron..he's definitely taken over for Kobe on ish. I imagine InsideHoops is preparing themselves for a melt down both sides after the finals. Check that server for DR purposes fellas