Is this the worst Finals ever?

[masonanddixon]

No dominant players, no post presence, weak conferences...

[J Shuttlesworth]

No dominant players?

David Lee
Mozgov
Dellavedova
Joe Harris
Half of Klay Thompson

[masonanddixon]

No dominant players?

David Lee
Mozgov
Dellavedova
Joe Harris
Half of Klay Thompson

What about Mike Miller??? And Bogut????

[J Shuttlesworth]

What about Mike Miller??? And Bogut????
Exactly. This finals is stacked.

Plus, Kerr vs. Blatt

[bdreason]

Not a bad narrative for the NBA actually. Best player in the league, returns to his hometown, and takes the team back to the Finals. Against the current league MVP, and a team of young, exciting NBA Finals virgins. Both teams fan-bases starving for a title.

The only better (realistic) match-up, at least for the NBA, would have probably been Thunder vs. Cavaliers. The league is built on Superstar players like LeBron and Durant; they're the ones who bring the casual fans.

[theaussieguy]

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[masonanddixon]

Exactly. This finals is stacked.

Plus, Kerr vs. Blatt

Yeah but then you have a shitty MVP and the league's biggest fraud, which ruins it,

[masonanddixon]

OP confirmed for user of mind altering, hard drugs

yes I love slow

[masonanddixon]

Not a bad narrative for the NBA actually. Best player in the league, returns to his hometown, and takes the team back to the Finals. Against the current league MVP, and a team of young, exciting NBA Finals virgins. Both teams fan-bases starving for a title.

The only better (realistic) match-up, at least for the NBA, would have probably been Thunder vs. Cavaliers. The league is built on Superstar players like LeBron and Durant; they're the ones who bring the casual fans.

But no one who is truly dominant. In the glory days we had Duncan vs Dirk, Dirk vs the superteam, Dirk vs Wade, Kobe and Pau vs the boys from Boston...this Finals lacks any of the truly seminal matchups. It's all jump shooting.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Not a bad narrative for the NBA actually. Best player in the league, returns to his hometown, and takes the team back to the Finals. Against the current league MVP, and a team of young, exciting NBA Finals virgins. Both teams fan-bases starving for a title.

The only better (realistic) match-up, at least for the NBA, would have probably been Thunder vs. Cavaliers. The league is built on Superstar players like LeBron and Durant; they're the ones who bring the casual fans.

To people who have been watching, LeBron hasn't been the best player in the league for two years. And not long before that time the league belonged to Kobe.

[HelterSkelter]

Ever since Jordan's 2nd retirement, I've now heard the phrase "worst finals ever" probably 12 out of the last 16 years

[masonanddixon]

Ever since Jordan's 2nd retirement, I've now heard the phrase "worst finals ever" probably 12 out of the last 16 years

But this time it's true.

[HelterSkelter]

But this time it's true.


yes.. I've heard that multiple times too

The finals series that bored me since Jordan's 2nd retirement were:

Lakers-Nets 02
Spurs-Nets 03
Spurs-Cavs 07
Lakers-Magic 09

All of them sucked... you knew who was gonna win before game 1... it was too overmatched. I excluded Lakers-Sixers because we were at least entertained by 2 games.

[Eric Cartman]

07 Cavs-Spurs was the worst thing I've ever seen.

[i<3basketball]

No it is not the worst final ever. Perhaps when the final is over we can make a statement saying yes it was the worst final ever.

[LAZERUSS]

The '78 and '79 Finals were arguably the two worst ever.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Didn't even happen yet... :rolleyes:

[masonanddixon]

People, we need to distinguish between quality level versus competitiveness of series.

My statement is that by quality this is the worst series ever...it may very well end up being an entertaining Finals but thats not the point.

[L8krH8tr]

Stfu and don't watch it then you little shit.

[SHAQisGOAT]

The '78 and '79 Finals were arguably the two worst ever.

1978 Finals were very good... 7 games all very close except for game6, great (clutch) plays down the stretch, plenty of physicality, some of the best defense being played, road team won, Hayes and Dandridge playing very well, Downtown Fred Brown showing great long range shooting, young athletic Dennis Johnson at guard blocking like 2.5 shots per game (despite playing bad on offense and straight up choking in game7), Marvin "The Eraser" Webster with the 15/15...

1979 were pretty poor though, I agree...
Bullets were getting over the hill while the Sonics just got better in time for the Playoffs, DJ shook off the choking ways (went on to become one of the clutchest players ever) and played great everywhere very clutch, Gus Williams was scoring extremely well, Sikma was very good, Shelton and Silas with the defense roughing them up, Fred Brown was clutch, JJ wit the 12/8/7... Washington stood little to no chances imho.

[LAZERUSS]

1978 Finals were very good... 7 games all very close except for game6, great (clutch) plays down the stretch, plenty of physicality, some of the best defense being played, road team won, Hayes and Dandridge playing very well, Downtown Fred Brown showing great long range shooting, young athletic Dennis Johnson at guard blocking like 2.5 shots per game (despite playing bad on offense and straight up choking in game7), Marvin "The Eraser" Webster with the 15/15...

1979 were pretty poor though, I agree...
Bullets were getting over the hill while the Sonics just got better in time for the Playoffs, DJ shook off the choking ways (went on to become one of the clutchest players ever) and played great everywhere very clutch, Gus Williams was scoring extremely well, Sikma was very good, Shelton and Silas with the defense roughing them up, Fred Brown was clutch, JJ wit the 12/8/7... Washington stood little to no chances imho.

Not questioning the competitiveness of the '78 Finals, but having teams with 47-35 and 44-38 records in the Finals was a major reason why that post-season had tape-delayed games. Not only that, but series' FG%'s of .426 and .437 didn't help, either.

[Lebron23]

Not questioning the competitiveness of the '78 Finals, but having teams with 47-35 and 44-38 records in the Finals was a major reason why that post-season had tape-delayed games.


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[plowking]

Mavs fan has the nerve to talk about the lack of quality of a GSW team.

The 42 win GSW team in 07 wiped the floor with you in 6 games and made Dirk shoot 38%. I'm guessing this one would beat you in 2 before the Mavs give up. :oldlol:

All that talk about Hawks being the worst 60 win team. I think we all forgot about those first round chokers in the 07 Mavs, and the MVP putting up 19ppg on 38% shooting.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Not questioning the competitiveness of the '78 Finals, but having teams with 47-35 and 44-38 records in the Finals was a major reason why that post-season had tape-delayed games. Not only that, but series' FG%'s of .426 and .437 didn't help, either.

League was extremely balanced during those days, even more after Walton went down, I'd say no team was clear-cut favorite for the title, so looking at the records straight like that won't mean much.
Bullets had the 3rd best record in the East, Sonics 4th best in the West, they were two of the best teams in the league despite what a record might suggest.
I understand and agree with what you're saying but from a hardcore basketball fan stand-point, that was a very good (FInals) series.

[masonanddixon]

Mavs fan has the nerve to talk about the lack of quality of a GSW team.

The 42 win GSW team in 07 wiped the floor with you in 6 games and made Dirk shoot 38%. I'm guessing this one would beat you in 2 before the Mavs give up. :oldlol:

All that talk about Hawks being the worst 60 win team. I think we all forgot about those first round chokers in the 07 Mavs, and the MVP putting up 19ppg on 38% shooting.

Dirk's Mavs made the Finals twice while winning 55+ games each time.

This Cavs team wouldn't even make the second round out West.

[HelterSkelter]

masonandixon.. sorry, but at the end of the day...




The 42 win GSW team in 07 wiped the floor with you in 6 games and made Dirk shoot 38%. I'm guessing this one would beat you in 2 before the Mavs give up. :oldlol:


FACT



This Cavs team wouldn't even make the second round out West.

OPINION

[plowking]

Dirk's Mavs made the Finals twice while winning 55+ games each time.

This Cavs team wouldn't even make the second round out West.

Bron has won as many finals as Dirk has been to. :oldlol:

Curry will more than likely finish a season and post season more epic than anything Dirk has ever done. MVP and finals MVP, while averaging some ridiculous numbers that will more than likely continue in the finals (something Dirk couldn't keep up).

[masonanddixon]

Bron has won as many finals as Dirk has been to. :oldlol:

Curry will more than likely finish a season and post season more epic than anything Dirk has ever done. MVP and finals MVP, while averaging some ridiculous numbers that will more than likely continue in the finals (something Dirk couldn't keep up).

lol Curry has had like one good series.

Lebron got raped the one time he faced the Almighty.

[Lebron23]

Lebron soon to triple Dirk's Finals MVP trophy.

[KembaWalker]

No dominant players?

David Lee
Mozgov
Dellavedova
Joe Harris
Half of Klay Thompson

How could you forget the dominant 5 time NBA Finalist King James..........Jones

[masonanddixon]

Lebron soon to triple Dirk's Finals MVP trophy.

8 points in game 4.

Blowout in Game 6 on his own home floor, sonny boy.

[Lebron23]

8 points in game 4.

Blowout in Game 6 on his own home floor, sonny boy.


You gotta give credit to the Mavericks defense. What was Dirk's FG% in that series??

[masonanddixon]

You gotta give credit to the Mavericks defense. What was Dirk's FG% in that series??

What was Dirk's Fg% in the 4th quarter of Game 6?

Thats right, it was 100%, SON.

[plowking]

lol Curry has had like one good series.

Lebron got raped the one time he faced the Almighty.

34/7/5 and 31/5/6 on ridiculous efficiency.

Yeah, only 1 good series.

When is the last time Dirk had two 30ppg series in one playoff run?

[masonanddixon]

34/7/5 and 31/5/6 on ridiculous efficiency.

Yeah, only 1 good series.

When is the last time Dirk had two 30ppg series in one playoff run?

What was Curry's statline vs Memphis?

[BIG FURB]

What was Curry's statline vs Memphis?

Who cares, he already proved your "one good series" statement wrong (24.5/6.5/5 by the way)

[raprap]

This is my most anticipated finals since LAL vs BOS 2010. I hope we get a game 7 for this one too. :rockon:

[Beastmode88]

You gotta give credit to the Mavericks defense. What was Dirk's FG% in that series??

Jason Terry and JJ Barea :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MMM]

07 wasn't boring imo

weren't most the games competitive down the stretch and to be honest the Cavs had no business of being in the Finals. The Pistons had a bad habit of underestimating their opponent and their cockiness bit them in the but in game 5.

[plowking]

What was Curry's statline vs Memphis?

You keep getting proven wrong, and yet you keep digging.

You suck brah.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

The most boring Finals to me was the Lakers/Philly, and Lakers/Nets series. Sure AI had his moments but it was so lopsided that it was just really unwatchable. And the other series was even worse in terms of competitiveness.

[ShawkFactory]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2015/06/02/lebron-james-steph-curry-nba-finals-popularity-twitter-tv-marketing/28367785/

[SouBeachTalents]

Why do fakkits like the OP have to use the term "ever" when they probably know nothing about NBA history. I'm sure there have been worse Finals matchups than a 4x MVP and 2x champ going up against a 67 win team with the league MVP. And if you say this is a worse matchup than Spurs-Nets '03 you're a ****ing liar

[Alamо]

How could you forget the dominant 5 time NBA Finalist King James..........Jones


I think the joke went over your head

[T_L_P]

Spurs-Nets 03


Series ended in 6 and it took a comeback in the fourth quarter of the final game to win it.

[FLDFSU]

When will ISH stop responding to the idiotic OP...

Any cursory review of his posting history shows the moron is a racist.

[Rocketswin2013]

Let's face it, the Warriors are heavily favored and are better(stan/troll bullshit aside)and nothing is at stake for the MVP's perception or legacy.

[Legends66NBA7]

Not questioning the competitiveness of the '78 Finals, but having teams with 47-35 and 44-38 records in the Finals was a major reason why that post-season had tape-delayed games. Not only that, but series' FG%'s of .426 and .437 didn't help, either.

Curious, I decided to see where each NBA champions SRS was for that that season.

1947 - Philadelphia Warriors (3.16)
1948 - Baltimore Bullets (3.69)
1949 - Minneapolis Lakers (6.80)

1950 - Minneapolis Lakers (8.25)
1951 - Rochester Royals (2.54)
1952 - Minneapolis Lakers (5.28)
1953 - Minneapolis Lakers (5.54)
1954 - Minneapolis Lakers (2.71)

1955 - Syracuse Nationals (1.23)
1956 - Philadelphia Warriors (3.82)
1957 - Boston Celtics (4.78)
1958 - St.Louis Hawks (0.82)
1959 - Boston Celtics (5.84)

1960 - Boston Celtics (7.62)
1961 - Boston Celtics (4.94)
1962 - Boston Celtics (8.25)
1963 - Boston Celtics (6.38)
1964 - Boston Celtics (6.93)
1965 - Boston Celtics (7.46)
1966 - Boston Celtics (4.34)
1967 - Philadelphia 76ers (8.50)
1968 - Boston Celtics (3.87)
1969 - Boston Celtics (5.35)

1970 - New York Knicks (8.42)
1971 - Milwaukee Bucks (11.91)
1972 - Los Angeles Lakers (11.65)
1973 - New York Knicks (6.07)
1974 - Boston Celtics (3.42)
1975 - Golden State Warriors (2.86)
1976 - Boston Celtics (2.25)
1977 - Portland Trail Blazers (5.39)
1978 - Washington Bullets (0.82)
1979 - Seattle SuperSonics (2.69)

1980 - Los Angeles Lakers (5.40)
1981 - Boston Celtics (6.05)
1982 - Los Angeles Lakers (4.37)
1983 - Philadelphia 76ers (7.53)
1984 - Boston Celtics (6.42)
1985 - Los Angeles Lakers (6.48)
1986 - Boston Celtics (9.06)
1987 - Los Angeles Lakers (8.31)
1988 - Los Angeles Lakers (4.81)
1989 - Detroit Pistons (6.24)

1990 - Detroit Pistons (5.41)
1991 - Chicago Bulls (8.57)
1992 - Chicago Bulls (10.07)
1993 - Chicago Bulls (6.19)
1994 - Houston Rockets (4.19)
1995 - Houston Rockets (2.32)
1996 - Chicago Bulls (11.80)
1997 - Chicago Bulls (10.70)
1998 - Chicago Bulls (7.24)
1999 - San Antonio Spurs (7.12)

2000 - Los Angeles Lakers (8.41)
2001 - Los Angeles Lakers (3.74)
2002 - Los Angeles Lakers (7.15)
2003 - San Antonio Spurs (5.65)
2004 - Detroit Pistons (5.04)
2005 - San Antonio Spurs (7.84)
2006 - Miami Heat (3.59)
2007 - San Antonio Spurs (8.35)
2008 - Boston Celtics (9.30)
2009 - Los Angeles Lakers (7.11)

2010 - Los Angeles Lakers (4.78)
2011 - Dallas Mavericks (4.41)
2012 - Miami Heat (5.72)
2013 - Miami Heat (7.03)
2014 - San Antonio Spurs (8.00)


Top 10 SRS

1) 71 Milwaukee Bucks - 11.91
2) 96 Chicago Bulls - 11.80
3) 72 Los Angeles Lakers - 11.65
4) 97 Chicago Bulls - 10.70
5) 92 Chicago Bulls - 10.07
6) 08 Boston Celtics - 9.30
7) 86 Boston Celtics - 9.06
8) 91 Chicago Bulls - 8.57
9) 67 Philadelphia 76ers - 8.50
10) 70 New York Knicks - 8.42

Bottom 10 SRS

1) 58 St.Louis Hawks - 0.82
2) 78 Washington Bullets - 0.82
3) 55 Syracuse Nations - 1.23
4) 76 Boston Celtics - 2.25
5) 95 Houston Rockets - 2.32
6) 51 Rochester Royals - 2.54
7) 79 Seattle SuperSonics - 2.69
8) 54 Minneapolis Lakers - 2.71
9) 75 Golden State Warriors - 2.86
10) 47 Philadelphia Warriors - 3.16


Now off course, that is ignoring the competition they faced and what happened in the playoffs on their way to the title. Still, most of the teams that are considered all-time great have some of the highest SRS ever. Probably the one team stat I feel that gets it right for the most part.


As for the topic, in recent memory, 07 Spurs vs Cavs was just not interesting and had the lowest viewed ratings in Finals history. In terms of competition, probably the 78 and 79 Finals, 03 Finals is up there too.

[niko]

The Knicks played the Spurs in 1999 with Will Perdue injuring his back right before the finals started, to go along with LJ and Camby already hobbling, after (in a freaking miracle) getting to the finals sans Ewing.

So we were already an underdog, had a team that played ugly much it up ball, and half our team was hurt.

The better team, the SPurs, played a style that at best could be called unattractive.

That was worse.

[Legends66NBA7]

The Knicks played the Spurs in 1999 with Will Perdue injuring his back right before the finals started, to go along with LJ and Camby already hobbling, after (in a freaking miracle) getting to the finals sans Ewing.

So we were already an underdog, had a team that played ugly much it up ball, and half our team was hurt.

The better team, the SPurs, played a style that at best could be called unattractive.

That was worse.

Oh yeah, forgot about that one.

The Spurs pre-2010 were always considered a boring team.

[smoovegittar]

Until there's an all-white team, this inbred won't be happy.

There's quite a handful of bigots in this forum.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Now off course, that is ignoring the competition they faced and what happened in the playoffs on their way to the title. Still, most of the teams that are considered all-time great have some of the highest SRS ever. Probably the one team stat I feel that gets it right for the most part.

It is a regular season stat that relies on point differential. In other words, a team can get a higher ranking by blowing teams out than by "just winning" in the clutch.

To put it perspective, it is similar to John Hollinger's system... and according to his logic: the Mavs lost the Finals in 2011 based on point differential. (If you don't believe me go look up his formula.)