Willie Cauley-Stein NBA Draft Workout Shooting Drills

[Jameerthefear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0&feature=youtu.be
wow

[RedBlackAttack]

Very slow and deliberate release that he'll have to really tighten and quicken up on the next level, but I see potential here. I would honestly not be the least bit surprised if he ended up being the best player in the draft.

[RRR3]

Can't wait to see him break Curry's 3PT record.

[Jameerthefear]

Very slow and deliberate release that he'll have to really tighten and quicken up on the next level, but I see potential here. I would honestly not be the least bit surprised if he ended up being the best player in the draft.
that isn't that slow really
and he's a 7 footer

[ClipperRevival]

WTF? He's a big and all they show is him shooting jumpers? What about his post play so i can see his footwork?

[RRR3]

that isn't that slow really
and he's a 7 footer
Do you want him in Orlando? Remind me what pick you guys have again. I'm hoping Hezonja for the Heat (based of my incredible knowledge of him-i.e. a single youtube video and hearsay).

[Take Your Lumps]

Wouldn't surprise me if NYK picked him over Mudiay. If the top 4 go as predicted, Orlando should really pick this guy up and let Sacramento dig their own grave with Porzingis.

[Jameerthefear]

WTF? He's a big and all they show is him shooting jumpers? What about his post play so i can see his footwork?
they are showing off his shooting

[Jameerthefear]

Do you want him in Orlando? Remind me what pick you guys have again. I'm hoping Hezonja for the Heat (based of my incredible knowledge of him-i.e. a single youtube video and hearsay).
we have #5
i wouldn't be mad with WCS, Hezonja, or Winslow
just PLEASE not Porzingis
i don't see Hezonja dropping that far to miami tbh

[Jameerthefear]

Wouldn't surprise me if NYK picked him over Mudiay. If the top 4 go as predicted, Orlando should really pick this guy up and let Sacramento dig their own grave with Porzingis.
Drafting Porzingis would be a disaster
http://www.bazegod.com/sports/2015/5/20/kristaps-porzingis-the-great-white-nope
just a disaster

[VengefulAngel]

WTF? He's a big and all they show is him shooting jumpers? What about his post play so i can see his footwork?

The video is titled shooting...

[RRR3]

we have #5
i wouldn't be mad with WCS, Hezonja, or Winslow
just PLEASE not Porzingis
i don't see Hezonja dropping that far to miami tbh
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I want him or Winslow (which would take a miracle) to drop :D

[Jameerthefear]

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I want him or Winslow (which would take a miracle) to drop :D
i kinda like stanley johnson for you guys. he was projected to go top 5 all year but then dropped like 5 spots after the tourney

[RRR3]

i kinda like stanley johnson for you guys. he was projected to go top 5 all year but then dropped like 5 spots after the tourney
Such a boring name, though.


Although I do like the potential of being a "stan for Stan"

[Alamо]

Very slow and deliberate release that he'll have to really tighten and quicken up on the next level, but I see potential here. I would honestly not be the least bit surprised if he ended up being the best player in the draft.


That doesn't bother me seeing as how he's 7 freaking 1. Dudes will sag off of him anyway because whoever is guarding him won't want to leave the post.


I'd definitely consider snatching this guy up if I had the 4th-5th pick. If there's one guy in the draft who will instantly make any team better, I feel like he's the one.

[Take Your Lumps]

Such a boring name, though.


Although I do like the potential of being a "stan for Stan"

Not as boring as Joe Johnson.

[Alamо]

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I want him or Winslow (which would take a miracle) to drop :D



Pipe dream. Winslow and Hezonja are top 7 picks.

[niko]

WTF? He's a big and all they show is him shooting jumpers? What about his post play so i can see his footwork?

To be honest, his post play is in that video. All of it.

[kNIOKAS]

Yes, impressive.

But what's up with people having two words and a dash for the surname??

[Jameerthefear]

Such a boring name, though.


Although I do like the potential of being a "stan for Stan"
he's kind of a garbage finisher at the rim though so idk. heat have two of some of the best finishers though in wade and dragic so maybe they can give him some tips

[Jameerthefear]

Yes, impressive.

But what's up with people having two words and a dash for the surname??
One name is his mom's last name and one is his dad's last name. It's to honor both sides of the family.

[GOBB]

Solo workouts don't tell me anything besides well...nothing.

[Jameerthefear]

Solo workouts don't tell me anything besides well...nothing.
weren't philly fans having a wet dream over seeing embiid do a couple post moves?

[Charlie Sheen]

Wouldn't surprise me if NYK picked him over Mudiay. If the top 4 go as predicted, Orlando should really pick this guy up and let Sacramento dig their own grave with Porzingis.

If the rumors about Knicks being zeroed in on Lyles are true, they need to pick WCS at 4. From the outside it looks like he has the broadest appeal. Best chance of fetching a nice price while moving down to take Lyles that I'm just gonna assume they actually want.

On the other hand... a highly regarded 7'1 college junior coming out of a program that not only produces NBA talent but prepares their players for the next step is a helluva consolation.

[Alamо]

Yes, impressive.

But what's up with people having two words and a dash for the surname??


Karl-Anthony is Towns' first name.

[GOBB]

weren't philly fans having a wet dream over seeing embiid do a couple post moves?

Yes, the same thing applies there as well. Its good to see Embiid shooting moreso his form/release. But until thats applied in an actual game setting? Eh

[outbreak]

Drafting Porzingis would be a disaster
http://www.bazegod.com/sports/2015/5/20/kristaps-porzingis-the-great-white-nope
just a disaster
There's articles saying the total opposite of that though. Porzingis has legit star potential, he could bust but so can all young players.

Cauley stein will help himself immensely with a jumper. Even with a slow release it stops people just leaving him wide open if he catches it higher in the paint like people can do with howard/jordan etc. He won't be aiming to use it but if the d play him that way he can counter it

[outbreak]

One name is his mom's last name and one is his dad's last name. It's to honor both sides of the family.
Wheres the trill come from

[Jameerthefear]

There's articles saying the total opposite of that though. Porzingis has legit star potential, he could bust but so can all young players.

Cauley stein will help himself immensely with a jumper. Even with a slow release it stops people just leaving him wide open if he catches it higher in the paint like people can do with howard/jordan etc. He won't be aiming to use it but if the d play him that way he can counter it
i wouldn't say the total opposite
that article is a good use of facts. he uses stats to back his argument well, and i agree with him

[outbreak]

i wouldn't say the total opposite
that article is a good use of facts. he uses stats to back his argument well, and i agree with him
I don't. I'd probably rather mario but porginzis wouldn't be a bad pick. Orlando need to take a chance on a player with star scoring potential. We have enough glue guys.

[jayfan]

Workouts are evil. They're responsible for Joe Dumars falling in love with Darko in 2003.

If it's not on his game tape - especially after playing 3 yrs of college ball - then I'm not buying it.



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[Nash]

channing frye with defense

[outbreak]

channing frye with defense
Ray allen with height

[Alamо]

Klay Thompson with tattoos

[outbreak]

Michael jordan with a bigger *****

[Jameerthefear]

Workouts are evil. They're responsible for Joe Dumars falling in love with Darko in 2003.

If it's not on his game tape - especially after playing 3 yrs of college ball - then I'm not buying it.



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i feel that same way too but for WCS his floor is already pretty high

[smoovegittar]

An anemic Jared Jeffries. I've said it before; I'll say it again... N.Y. signs this clod, I'm done. Knicks need a point guard and there will be at least 2 available.

Chandler could not get them close - this kid will? Forget it. That, plus the health issues which everyone seems to be sleeping on. :wtf:

[Kingwillball]

Very slow and deliberate release that he'll have to really tighten and quicken up on the next level, but I see potential here. I would honestly not be the least bit surprised if he ended up being the best player in the draft.

No way he is better than KAT and don't be fooled in a real game he has a looooong way to go on offense . He has no offensive game other than put backs and garbage points or running the floor.

[inclinerator]

of course they arent going to show his misses

[HylianNightmare]

Hope the magic pass on this kid

[Jameerthefear]

Hope the magic pass on this kid
who do u want hylie?

[ClipperRevival]

Laker fans. Cauley-Stein anyone?

If Towns is there, we take Towns. He is much more polished than Stein. But if he is gone, how about Stein? Okafor could very well be a great offensive player down low but I love Stein's potential. He's almost a legit 7 footer and is very athletic. Not DeAndre Jordan or Dwight Howard athletic but athletic enough to be our rim protector and make an impact at the NBa level. I see him as a Tyson Chandler type player. Someone who can protect the paint, grab rebounds, run the floor and get put backs/lobs. He's more athletic than Chandler. He used to be a wide receiver in high school.

I also think he fits better with Randle because he won't clog up the paint and can just roam. We don't have to run any plays for him. Let's face it, Randle is a huge part of our future, we all know it and we need to get a big who can compliment him. And Stein's talents just fit much better in today's game where you need your bigs to run the p&r and more importantly, defend it.

[CarlosBoozer]

Curry without the baby face

[noob cake]

i feel that same way too but for WCS his floor is already pretty high

WCS hype is nothing compared to Darko.

"More than Nowitzki, Gasol or even Divac, Darko has a nasty streak in him that will help him succeed in the post"

"Oh my God, look at this guy." One dribble from the foul line, dunk. Lefty hook. Quick feet. He had great lateral quickness for a big. He had spin moves. It was unbelievable. He was a freak athlete at 17. He runs like a deer. He jumps. You were saying "wow."

"He

[ClipperRevival]

An anemic Jared Jeffries. I've said it before; I'll say it again... N.Y. signs this clod, I'm done. Knicks need a point guard and there will be at least 2 available.

Chandler could not get them close - this kid will? Forget it. That, plus the health issues which everyone seems to be sleeping on. :wtf:

Chandler was a great defender, rim protector and rebounder all throughout his career except when he had to play with Melo. Melor is a team killer. His iso based game does not win games and destroys team flow. If I am starting a team, I take Chandler over Melo. Yeah, call me crazy but the last thing I want on my team is a flow killer like Melo. Chandler was a heck of a defender, rim protector and rebounder. That is huge value. He was the 2nd best player when Dallas won it all.

[Jameerthefear]

[QUOTE=noob cake]WCS hype is nothing compared to Darko.

"More than Nowitzki, Gasol or even Divac, Darko has a nasty streak in him that will help him succeed in the post"

"Oh my God, look at this guy." One dribble from the foul line, dunk. Lefty hook. Quick feet. He had great lateral quickness for a big. He had spin moves. It was unbelievable. He was a freak athlete at 17. He runs like a deer. He jumps. You were saying "wow."

"He

[ClipperRevival]

Workouts are evil. They're responsible for Joe Dumars falling in love with Darko in 2003.

If it's not on his game tape - especially after playing 3 yrs of college ball - then I'm not buying it.



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You can't compare WCS to Darko because Darko lacked athleticism. WCS has NBA level athleticism that will translate to the NBA level assuming this guy isn't an idiot and just plays the right way. I'm talking Javal Mcgee type stupidity. What are the chances of that? His floor is a solid rim protector. His ceiling is a great rim protector and defender. He doesn't even need to polish anything to impact the game.

[Genaro]

Laker fans. Cauley-Stein anyone?

If Towns is there, we take Towns. He is much more polished than Stein. But if he is gone, how about Stein? Okafor could very well be a great offensive player down low but I love Stein's potential. He's almost a legit 7 footer and is very athletic. Not DeAndre Jordan or Dwight Howard athletic but athletic enough to be our rim protector and make an impact at the NBa level. I see him as a Tyson Chandler type player. Someone who can protect the paint, grab rebounds, run the floor and get put backs/lobs. He's more athletic than Chandler. He used to be a wide receiver in high school.

I also think he fits better with Randle because he won't clog up the paint and can just roam. We don't have to run any plays for him. Let's face it, Randle is a huge part of our future, we all know it and we need to get a big who can compliment him. And Stein's talents just fit much better in today's game where you need your bigs to run the p&r and more importantly, defend it.

Lakers should go for BPA. Randle didn't show game yet to us talk about him as a franchise anchor. He could very well be traded if he doesn't fit our team.

Lakers will have their work cut out for them, it's simple: Lakers get who's left between Towns and Okafor. Not even Jim can fck this up.

[ClipperRevival]

Lakers should go for BPA. Randle didn't show game yet to us talk about him as a franchise anchor. He could very well be traded if he doesn't fit our team.

Lakers will have their work cut out for them, it's simple: Lakers get who's left between Towns and Okafor. Not even Jim can fck this up.

Disagree about Randle. The guy is going to be a good one. Probably not the best player on a championship winning team but definitely 3rd best and possibly 2nd best. The guy has RARE lower body fluidity for a guy his size. He has very light feet and moves like a guy much smaller. He will be a monster in transition. He is a poor man's version of Blake Griffin in that regard as he can also handle the rock a bit. He is excellent at taking guys off the dribble. Also, he is strong as an ox. He has a rae combo of speed/power. Just watch.

As for WCS, I watched some more Okafor vids and yeah, you gotta go with Oakfor. Lol. He has too much offensive polish and feel for the game to pass up on.

[KG215]

The f**k? When did he develop a jumper? Or did he always have one and just decided to never shoot anything but dunks and layups at Kentucky?

Either way, if he has some stretch in his offensive game, and can somehow become a competent back to the basket big, he does have a lot of potential. I think he has the most defensive potential in this draft class, so if he can become a somewhat versatile, 12-15 PPG scorer, he's going to be a stud.

[fandarko]

You can't compare WCS to Darko because Darko lacked athleticism.

He didn't lack athleticism, he was benched for two years and lost the athleticism that he had.

He was drafted based on athleticism, among other qualities.

Headcase.

[ClipperRevival]

He didn't lack athleticism, he was benched for two years and lost the athleticism that he had.

He was drafted based on athleticism, among other qualities.

Headcase.

He never had WCS type athleticism. Let's not confuse coordination and touch with athleticism. WCS has the type of athleticism that not too many bigs have. The ability to get off the floor quickly and give you multiple jumps on a play. The ability to cover a lot of ground and slide laterally with ease. That is rare for a big. Come on.

[Captain Hooker]

WCS hype is nothing compared to Darko.

"More than Nowitzki, Gasol or even Divac, Darko has a nasty streak in him that will help him succeed in the post"

"Oh my God, look at this guy." One dribble from the foul line, dunk. Lefty hook. Quick feet. He had great lateral quickness for a big. He had spin moves. It was unbelievable. He was a freak athlete at 17. He runs like a deer. He jumps. You were saying "wow."

"He’s going to own the game. Own the game. We’re going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that is a woman."

Darko is really one of a kind. He runs the floor, handles the ball, shoots the NBA 3 and plays with his back to the basket, so you can slot him in at the 3, 4 or 5 positions.

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2014/9/24/6841293/rip-hamilton-reaction-darko-milicic-2003-nba-draft

Sounds pretty much like Karl-Towns Anthony

Darko was indeed a talented player but the problem is his condfidence and the focus on the game. Maybe the pressure of being the no. 1 pick destroyed him

[lilojmayo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0&feature=youtu.be
wow

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61842/willie-cauley-stein


:oldlol: They clearly cut out all the misses. No way in hell Willie Cauley-Stein could make 60% of uncontested NBA 3s . Not buying it for a second .

Guy has yet to make a colliegate 3 pointer in a game

With that being said his form looks smooth though ( outside of the fact he shoots on the way down ) . No way in hell he made 65% of his shots in this workout. Don't believe it for a second just on the fact that he shoots on his way down.

[jayfan]

You can't compare WCS to Darko because Darko lacked athleticism. WCS has NBA level athleticism that will translate to the NBA level assuming this guy isn't an idiot and just plays the right way. I'm talking Javal Mcgee type stupidity. What are the chances of that? His floor is a solid rim protector. His ceiling is a great rim protector and defender. He doesn't even need to polish anything to impact the game.

I agree with that, but the thread & video are about his shooting, not his defense. And I don't care how many in a row he made, or how good his form looks. If he hasn't shown it in 3 years at Kentucky, then I'm not willing to grade him as anything other than a defensive specialist with minimal offensive ability.


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[veilside23]

its been said many times that NBA players can shoot literally wont miss if wide open. i remember there was this guy arnett moultrie during his workouts he was showing he can even dribble and not miss from the wing. i even said to my self dude would be a steal for the 27th pick but he didnt really made an impact.

am not saying that WCS will be like moultrie but i won't be surprise if his so called jump shot would really shine.

I see WCS as a tyson chandler kinda guy and his jumper can be as good as a marcus camby.

[ClipperRevival]

I agree with that, but the thread & video are about his shooting, not his defense. And I don't care how many in a row he made, or how good his form looks. If he hasn't shown it in 3 years at Kentucky, then I'm not willing to grade him as anything other than a defensive specialist with minimal offensive ability.


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There is huge value in basketball for an athletic big who can protect the rim, rebound, defender the P&R, run the floor and get lobs/put backs. You don't need an ounce of offensive skills to do this. And that's all I expect from WCS. Anything else is just gravy to me.

[veilside23]

There is huge value in basketball for an athletic big who can protect the rim, rebound, defender the P&R, run the floor and get lobs/put backs. You don't need an ounce of offensive skills to do this. And that's all I expect from WCS. Anything else is just gravy to me.


this ! andrew bogut didnt even score but he was huge for the warriors... :applause:

[wang4three]

In these videos I wish they show the misses too. He could make 3 in a row out and then gone to miss 10 shots and we wouldn't even know about it.

[Fallen Angel]

In these videos I wish they show the misses too. He could make 3 in a row out and then gone to miss 10 shots and we wouldn't even know about it.
That's not the point. It's not that DX is trying to make players look like knock down shooters, it's showing mechanical potential in his jumpshot.

If WCS is confident in shooting jumpers AND he's making a couple in a row then let him showcase that. He's not gonna be a stretch 5, but the ability to pick and pop will go a long way to making him more money when he becomes a free agent.

[Out_In_Utah]

The video is titled shooting...
:oldlol:

[lilojmayo]

its been said many times that NBA players can shoot literally wont miss if wide open. i remember there was this guy arnett moultrie during his workouts he was showing he can even dribble and not miss from the wing. i even said to my self dude would be a steal for the 27th pick but he didnt really made an impact.

am not saying that WCS will be like moultrie but i won't be surprise if his so called jump shot would really shine.

I see WCS as a tyson chandler kinda guy and his jumper can be as good as a marcus camby.


No its just that the video is severely edited. If he was knocking 10+ down they would have shown it. they were just showing 3 or 4 makes a time. probabbly missed the next 5 or 6 etc.

He is not a good shooter, but he has solid shooting potential because his mechanics are relatively good for a big men

[wang4three]

That's not the point. It's not that DX is trying to make players look like knock down shooters, it's showing mechanical potential in his jumpshot.

If WCS is confident in shooting jumpers AND he's making a couple in a row then let him showcase that. He's not gonna be a stretch 5, but the ability to pick and pop will go a long way to making him more money when he becomes a free agent.

It is the point. I understand about having mechanical potential, but it's important to understand the difference from having the mechanics and making your shots and having the mechanics and missing your shot. They are two completely opposite drafting points. I'm looking to understand if his offense is a project in work, or it's refined to a respectable position. It can separate you from being a top 5 pick and a 9-14 guy. Obviously I have his game tape from Kentucky, but he played in a system where he didn't need to be an offensive reliability to win.

What I look from these videos is to understand the player. I don't want editing done just to see his best plays or highlights. I'm looking for how he stacks up so I can better properly gauge his talent. This what's wrong with highlight tape scouting.

[Fallen Angel]

It is the point. I understand about having mechanical potential, but it's important to understand the difference from having the mechanics and making your shots and having the mechanics and missing your shot. They are two completely opposite drafting points. I'm looking to understand if his offense is a project in work, or it's refined to a respectable position. It can separate you from being a top 5 pick and a 9-14 guy. Obviously I have his game tape from Kentucky, but he played in a system where he didn't need to be an offensive reliability to win.

What I look from these videos is to understand the player. I don't want editing done just to see his best plays or highlights. I'm looking for how he stacks up so I can better properly gauge his talent. This what's wrong with highlight tape scouting.
You feel that way then go watch him live yourself, this video isn't even meant to be a final conclusion for a player.

You think NBA clubs gather round a laptop to all watch a DX highlight videos? You hire people to scout talent all season, then you get the chance to watch them up close at the Combine and individual workouts.

The closest WE can get to knowing what a player can or cannot do it watching full game tape of them like every other scout in the world.

[smoovegittar]

Chandler was a great defender, rim protector and rebounder all throughout his career except when he had to play with Melo. Melor is a team killer. His iso based game does not win games and destroys team flow. If I am starting a team, I take Chandler over Melo. Yeah, call me crazy but the last thing I want on my team is a flow killer like Melo. Chandler was a heck of a defender, rim protector and rebounder. That is huge value. He was the 2nd best player when Dallas won it all.


Chandler did a fine job with NY until his final season, when he decided to let his ego become bigger than the game. Pairing him with Melo was not a good idea; I was not pleased with the pickup. Chandler did indeed flourish when he was with Dallas AND HEALTHY. I disagree on your Melo take. When Anthony has a team built around him that compliments his style, then maybe the consensus will change. He's NOT LeBron... not even close. This cat did everything management asked of him since he's been here. His defense and rebounding went up. His assists increased. NY put a shitty roster around him; this has been documented to the nth degree. The next two years in NY are going to be key in deciding just how much of a "team killer" he really is. Jax wanted to retain him and now has to show his brilliance in selecting players. I do not believe most of last season's roster had any chance of being here this season - a lot of salary was dumped. Sure, it was egg on the face of many fans - but we were informed by the man himself that it will take time.

IMO, the jury is still out on Melo, Jax and the Knickerbockers. Picking up WCS as the 4th pick in the draft would be a travesty for NY.

[chips93]

I agree with that, but the thread & video are about his shooting, not his defense. And I don't care how many in a row he made, or how good his form looks. If he hasn't shown it in 3 years at Kentucky, then I'm not willing to grade him as anything other than a defensive specialist with minimal offensive ability.


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boogie didnt show any skill at kentucky either, but now that hes in the league, hes one of the most skilled bigs in the nba. same for anthony davis.

cal gets in these blue chip big men, and has them play right at the rim, where they cant showcase their skills, and once they get to the league, we get to see their skill level.

kentucky was too deep a team to have WCS do anything but bang in the paint, and play defense. that doesnt mean he isnt capable of more.

the coach says it best in the video, why have WCS shooting jumpers, when you have devin booker or the harrison twins on your team.