Cavs in 6... and afterwards, I have one question for Lebron

[3ball]

"Congrats on winning the 2015 NBA Finals.. Golden State turned out to be a tougher version of Atlanta - both opponents were outside-in teams that didn't rough you up as much as Chicago's inside-out approach.

Now that you're 3/6 and have dominated today's 3-point shooting and spacing brand of basketball more than any player ever, it's time to start considering how your game would fare in different eras..

Consistent with the current era, your game is based on teammates shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor for you.. So how would you perform if you didn't have any shooters spreading the floor for you at all?"


I wonder what he'd say.
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[Springsteen]

"I'd like to thank insidehoops.com poster 3ball for making me realize the era I play in is irrelevant. I'm announcing my retirement from basketball and am dedicating my life to analyzing GIFs of Jordan's navigation efficency. Thank you and god bless."

[LBJ 23]

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I wonder what he'd say.


Considering the interviewer he would probably say ''sorry didn't go to colle.....mental institution''

[NZStreetBaller]

Lebron: i aint even supposed to be here man

[Kblaze8855]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time.".

He wouldn't and shouldn't give a shit what you think he could do in another era.

Let LeBron play in the 80s west vs teams giving up 115 to 130 ppg. Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.

He's gonna find an edge in any setting....like any all time great would.

[G0ATbe]

So no Rays, Battiers, Mike Millers?

"Not 7, Not 6, Not 5, Not 4, Not 3, Not 2 , Not 1"

[triangleoffense]

OP I remember when you use to not be a troll

[NZStreetBaller]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time.".

He wouldn't and shouldn't give a shit what you think he could do in another era.

Let LeBron play in the 80s west vs teams giving up 115 to 130 ppg. Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.

He's gonna find an edge in any setting....like any all time great would.

This. People act like some players are limited only to one era style of play.....

[Kobe_6/8]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2261431/lebronhurt.gif

LeBron could probably do pull-ups off the top of the backboard if he wanted to.

He's an athletic freak with gifted IQ, he would dominate and intimidate in any era.

[Real Men Wear Green]

"Congrats on winning the 2015 NBA Finals.. Golden State turned out to be a tougher version of Atlanta - both opponents were outside-in teams that didn't rough you up as much as Chicago's inside-out approach.

Now that you're 3/6 and have dominated today's 3-point shooting and spacing brand of basketball more than any player ever, it's time to start considering how your game would fare in different eras..

Consistent with the current era, your game is based on your teammates shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor for you.. So how would you perform if you didn't have any shooters spreading the floor for you at all?"


I wonder what he'd say.
Nothing. He'd fall asleep from boredom after listening to you for 5 seconds.

[Trollsmasher]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time.".

He wouldn't and shouldn't give a shit what you think he could do in another era.

Let LeBron play in the 80s west vs teams giving up 115 to 130 ppg. Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.

He's gonna find an edge in any setting....like any all time great would.
rat poison

[aj1987]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2261431/lebronhurt.gif

LeBron could probably do pull-ups off the top of the backboard if he wanted to.

He's an athletic freak with gifted IQ, he would dominate and intimidate in any era.
I remember watching that live and thought that he shredded his knee. Dude is like Wolverine.

[sdot_thadon]

"Congrats on winning the 2015 NBA Finals.. Golden State turned out to be a tougher version of Atlanta - both opponents were outside-in teams that didn't rough you up as much as Chicago's inside-out approach.

Now that you're 3/6 and have dominated today's 3-point shooting and spacing brand of basketball more than any player ever, it's time to start considering how your game would fare in different eras..

Consistent with the current era, your game is based on your teammates shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor for you.. So how would you perform if you didn't have any shooters spreading the floor for you at all?"


I wonder what he'd say.
Besides laughing at you for the 1st minute or so, I think he'd say the physicality of the previous era would fit his game even more and he'd have some type of success. As others said in the other comments above great players will be great in any era. Imagine this huge guy in an era where transition defense was weaker he'd probably have seasons even more efficient than his Miami years.

[VengefulAngel]

OP I remember when you use to not be a troll

Nice way to say the OP was always irrelevant.

[FPJ]

"Congrats on winning the 2015 NBA Finals.. Golden State turned out to be a tougher version of Atlanta - both opponents were outside-in teams that didn't rough you up as much as Chicago's inside-out approach.

Now that you're 3/6 and have dominated today's 3-point shooting and spacing brand of basketball more than any player ever, it's time to start considering how your game would fare in different eras..

Consistent with the current era, your game is based on your teammates shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor for you.. So how would you perform if you didn't have any shooters spreading the floor for you at all?"


I wonder what he'd say.

Lebron: At the end of the day, tomorrow you'll have to wake up and have the same life that you had before you woke up today. And I

[scandisk_]

Nobody gives a f*ck 3ball.

[AintNoSunshine]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time.".

He wouldn't and shouldn't give a shit what you think he could do in another era.

Let LeBron play in the 80s west vs teams giving up 115 to 130 ppg. Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.

He's gonna find an edge in any setting....like any all time great would.

Kblaze always ethers with the simple truth

[plowking]

I love the notion that a 6'8, 260lbs Bron would somehow fare worse in a supposed more physical era... :oldlol:

[sd3035]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/32/32591a4119db60bcfb0b116c1b768212aa0f3cbd8dd0196ce3 f617d07a977862.jpg

[edrick]

The Warriors are statistically one of the best teams in NBA history.

They beat their opponents by 10.1 ppg during the regular season. That has only been done 7 other times, and 6 out of 7 of those teams won championships, but okay.

[3ball]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time."


No ex-player has EVER said Lebron is "the greatest of all time"

So what you just posted above is a lie that unfortunately, you actually believe.. You actually believe previous era players have said that, when they haven't - you just made it up.. That means you're crazy.

[BlazerRed]

Come on bro, if you're going to mock Lebron then at least do it properly :facepalm

[3ball]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e026bdb37635f1d39f79bf0ad068f961.gif


Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.


Out of thousands of scenarios, you just listed the 2 best-case scenarios for Lebron... :applause:.. The most extreme scenarios, which can be done for any era.

But in reality, drive-and-kick is the only aspect of scoring where Lebron is elite, and it depends on 3-point shooters spreading the floor.. So how would Lebron perform when there are NO shooters spreading the floor for him?

It's a great question, and one can only assume he'd perform worse... :confusedshrug:

To be a great scorer in the no-spacing eras, you simply HAD to be great at mid-range.. Literally every great scorer was a great mid-range player.. The lack of spacing prevented players from getting in the paint anytime they wanted, so guys HAD to settle for mid-range (see example above, where MJ is forced to settle for mid-range).

But Lebron is a HORRIBLE mid-range shooter (literally 35%), so how would he be a great scorer in previous eras??.. It's simple - he wouldn't be.

[Elosha]

Really, predicting Cleveland to win and then throwing this backhanded "hypothetical" question to Lebron?? 3Ball -- give it a rest. MJ's my favorite player and I believe he's currently the GOAT. Doesn't mean that he will always be the greatest, and it doesn't mean that other players can't be compared to him.

Let me tell you how you sound with these constant, recycled threads putting down Lebron and bolstering MJ. You sound like an insecure, scared "stan" who is desperately afraid that others will decide that Lebron is ultimately better than Jordan. Do you really, truly believe that simple changes in spacing would significantly hinder either Jordan or Lebron in any era? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you to a certain extent that defenses were a bit tougher in the 90's and I think Lebron would have to adjust. I also agree that Lebron isn't as gifted at Jordan at the midrange game or adjusting shots on the fly, which was required more often in the 90's.

But that DOESN'T mean that Lebron would not still be an all time great in the 80's or 90's, nor does it mean his present accomplishments should be discounted or discarded, like you often imply in your posts.

You don't have to spam ISH all the time with redundant threads. You'll come off as a stronger supporter of Jordan and less insecure if you do.

[LikeABosh]

Outside of a few Lebron trolls, no one has ever said Lebron>Jordan. So who the **** are you even talking to? A couple of trolls have gotten into your head so deep that you have spent countless hours posting the same banal shit over and over again. Just think about this before you plague this forum with another shit post and go outside instead.

[3ball]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e026bdb37635f1d39f79bf0ad068f961.gif


But that DOESN'T mean that Lebron would not still be an all time great in the 80's or 90's



I'm just going with logic an stats..

First the logic: the only aspect of scoring where Lebron's elite is drive-and-kick, which depends on 3-point shooters spacing the floor.. Lebron's game depends on spacing.. So how would he perform if there were NO shooters spreading the floor (previous eras)?... Worse, obviously.

Now the stats: to be a great scorer in the no-spacing eras, you simply HAD to be great at mid-range.. Literally every great scorer in previous eras was a great mid-range player.. The lack of spacing prevented players from getting in the paint anytime they wanted, so guys HAD to settle for mid-range (see example GIF above, where MJ is forced to settle for mid-range).

But Lebron is a HORRIBLE mid-range shooter (literally 35%), so how would he be a great scorer in previous eras??.. It's simple - he wouldn't be.

[hiphopfan777]

Golden State has the best defense, offense and he is playing against the mvp. They are a completely better team than bulls and hawks.

[Sakkreth]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time.".

He wouldn't and shouldn't give a shit what you think he could do in another era.

Let LeBron play in the 80s west vs teams giving up 115 to 130 ppg. Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.

He's gonna find an edge in any setting....like any all time great would.
Not much more to say.

[Hey Yo]

I'm just going with logic an stats..

First the logic: the only aspect of scoring where Lebron's elite is drive-and-kick, which depends on 3-point shooters spacing the floor.. Lebron's game depends on spacing.. So how would he perform if there were NO shooters spreading the floor (previous eras)?... Worse, obviously.

Now the stats: to be a great scorer in the no-spacing eras, you simply HAD to be great at mid-range.. Literally every great scorer in previous eras was a great mid-range player.. The lack of spacing prevented players from getting in the paint anytime they wanted, so guys HAD to settle for mid-range (see example GIF above, where MJ is forced to settle for mid-range).

But Lebron is a HORRIBLE mid-range shooter (literally 35%), so how would he be a great scorer in previous eras??.. It's simple - he wouldn't be.
"The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that.

But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001-04-01/sports/0104010375_1_defense-recommendations-nba

[daily]

OP I remember when you use to not be a troll

You have a better memory than me

[Eric Cartman]

3ball slipping lately.

Send him to the D-league (gaygm) before he can come again to the pros (ish)

[3ball]

I don't post for anyone's approval... I post what I want.

[LikeABosh]

I don't post for anyone's approval... I post what I want.
kewl

[3ball]

"If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did."


MJ said this in 2000, when he thought the NBA was about to allow a pure, 100% zone, like what he faced in college when he was Player of the Year and won the national championship in hero fashion.

But by the time the rule changes were fully implemented in 2005, they included a ban on hand-checking.. They also included a defensive 3 second rule that banned the previously-legal paint-camping.

Not surprisingly, once he saw that it wasn't a true zone due to the paint-camping ban, and once he saw the game was drastically less physical due to the hand-check/physicality ban, he said he could score 100 points under the new rules:

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2010/10/michael-jordan-if-i-played-today-i-could-have-scored-100-points/

“It’s less physical and the rules have changed, obviously,” said Jordan. “Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I’m pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points.”

[Out_In_Utah]

"I'd like to thank insidehoops.com poster 3ball for making me realize the era I play in is irrelevant. I'm announcing my retirement from basketball and am dedicating my life to analyzing GIFs of Jordan's navigation efficency. Thank you and god bless."
:lol

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=3ball]MJ said this in 2000, when he thought the NBA was about to allow a pure, 100% zone, like what he faced in college when he was Player of the Year and won the national championship in hero fashion.

But by the time the rule changes were fully implemented in 2005, they included a ban on hand-checking.. They also included a defensive 3 second rule that banned the previously-legal paint-camping.

Not surprisingly, once he saw that it wasn't a true zone due to the paint-camping ban, and once he saw the game was drastically less physical due to the hand-check/physicality ban, he said he could score 100 points under the new rules:

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2010/10/michael-jordan-if-i-played-today-i-could-have-scored-100-points/

[MaxFly]

He'd probably say "Ask the people who played in other eras who think I'm the greatest of all time.".

He wouldn't and shouldn't give a shit what you think he could do in another era.

Let LeBron play in the 80s west vs teams giving up 115 to 130 ppg. Let him play a nuggets team that gave up 160 three times in a week and 194 points in a regulation preseason game.

Put Chris Mullin or Tom Tolbert on him in the halfcourt and give up 65 fast break points on top of it....see how that goes.

He's gonna find an edge in any setting....like any all time great would.

I've made this exact point about 80s basketball and the free scoring, fast paced systems that were employed in the past.

Playing that 80s Nuggets teams that gave up 124 points per game for an entire 82 game season must have been quite a bit of fun.

[Straight_Ballin]

Not going to hold it against LeBron for not playing in an era he has no control over, but I'm not going to listen to some soft 15 year old gen Z kid who's balls haven't even dropped talk about how Jordan wouldn't be able to hang in this era. Someone needs to educate these kids because their father sure as hell didn't, and I think 3ball does an amazing job simply just telling it how it is, rather than how they would like it to be.

[Hizack]

Cavs lost in 6.

[Beastmode88]

Cavs lost in 6.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[outbreak]

"Congrats on winning the 2015 NBA Finals.. Golden State turned out to be a tougher version of Atlanta - both opponents were outside-in teams that didn't rough you up as much as Chicago's inside-out approach.

Now that you're 3/6 and have dominated today's 3-point shooting and spacing brand of basketball more than any player ever, it's time to start considering how your game would fare in different eras..

Consistent with the current era, your game is based on teammates shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor for you.. So how would you perform if you didn't have any shooters spreading the floor for you at all?"


I wonder what he'd say.
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http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/embarassed-for-u.gif

[WorldWarriors]

"Consistent with the current era, your game is based on teammates shooting 3-pointers and spacing the floor for you.. So how would you perform if you didn't have any shooters spreading the floor for you at all?"


I wonder what he'd say."


"We ran out of talent."



.

[Kvnzhangyay]

[QUOTE=3ball]MJ said this in 2000, when he thought the NBA was about to allow a pure, 100% zone, like what he faced in college when he was Player of the Year and won the national championship in hero fashion.

But by the time the rule changes were fully implemented in 2005, they included a ban on hand-checking.. They also included a defensive 3 second rule that banned the previously-legal paint-camping.

Not surprisingly, once he saw that it wasn't a true zone due to the paint-camping ban, and once he saw the game was drastically less physical due to the hand-check/physicality ban, he said he could score 100 points under the new rules:

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2010/10/michael-jordan-if-i-played-today-i-could-have-scored-100-points/

[oarabbus]

:roll: op is a huge bitch :roll:

[BBallZen83]

He is such an insecure Jordan stan. Of all the freaking players in the world to worry about with legacy, JORDAN'S is fuking untouchable. Jesus 3ball, you don't have to post the same damn gifs over and over again. It's really like there is some kind of social disconnect with this guy, something in the autism spectrum.

[warriorfan]

I don't post for anyone's approval... I post what I want.

Alpha posting :applause:

[BBallZen83]

Alpha posting :applause:

No such thing

[diamenz]

Alpha posting :applause:

nice.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I don't post for anyone's approval... I post what I want.

hung like a horse