38 shots???? Thirty eight shots???

[masonanddixon]

Thats the very definition of inefficiency.

[Wavves]

He doesn't take enough shots/scores enough points, he is playing passive and isn't helping his team win.

He takes too many shots/scoring 44 points , he is the very definition of inefficiency.

[Jacks3]

51.8% TS is well below league-average. He also had 4 turnovers.

It's true that this was a mediocre game in terms of efficiency.

[Magic 32]

18/38 = 47%

If he makes 2 more shots he's at 50%.. big deal. I'd rather he go down swinging then worrying about FG% and stats like that. He's played that way since the beginning of the playoffs.. no need to hate.

Lebron shot 17-37.

Don't count the last one.

[Poetry]

Lebron shot 17-37.

Don't count the last one.

It was still a good performance IMO.

[Magic 32]

It was still a good performance IMO.

Sure.

But 37/38 shots is crazy.

[dunksby]

He made 18 shots, very good game from him, no need to hate.

[Legends66NBA7]

And Irving took 22 shots.

If James and Irving are going take 63.8% of the Cavs shots and they lose, that falls right into the Warriors game plan. But who else is going to step up for Cleveland, especially if Irving misses time ?

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron balled out of his mind, but idk if that's enough to beat GSW when they're using their offense to it's full potential and not jacking up threes.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

If he deferred to teammates more, people would be on him for being too passive. He really can't win, even if they'd won the game he'd be getting criticized for something.

He played a great game, OT was a disaster for the entire team, still an excellent effort on his part overall. Respect.

[Cold soul]

Lebron played a great game for majority but he didn't have very good efficiency it was sub par on that end.

[Poetry]

Sure.

But 37/38 shots is crazy.

He just needs to stop taking those 3-pointers if they're not falling. I don't understand why players today don't step into a midrange shot if they're not feeling the long ball.

[RRR3]

LeBron will never get the respect he deserves. Before any idiot tells me their opinion on why he's not respectable, my point is he deserves to be respected as a legendary player. You'll miss him when he's gone.

[Soundwave]

I didn't get to see the overtime because I had a commitment, but I will say I thought LeBron played great. Again though I don't know what happened in the OT, but I'll give props where it's due.

0 points in OT though is unacceptable if you're the star player.

[SteelerKobeFan]

I like this aggressive Lebron. I need my superstars to try to win the game, not count shots. My biggest knock on LeBron is that I always felt he cared more about the stats than about actually being great.

Tonight he was great san a few brain farts in the fourth/OT. I want more of this Lebron.

[edrick]

Well, when the bench scores 9 points, and it all comes from the same person that goes 3-13. yep, he's going to take a lot of shots.

As usual, Lebron takes what the defenses give him. The Warriors have decided not to double, and that is the best way to defend Lebron.

[branslowski]

If he deferred to teammates more, people would be on him for being too passive. He really can't win, even if they'd won the game he'd be getting criticized for something.

He played a great game, OT was a disaster for the entire team, still an excellent effort on his part overall. Respect.

I thought overall would mean the whole game....:coleman:

[Magic 32]

LeBron will never get the respect he deserves. Before any idiot tells me their opinion on why he's not respectable, my point is he deserves to be respected as a legendary player. You'll miss him when he's gone.

not really

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4539433/stephmouth_medium.gif

[Legends66NBA7]

I didn't get to see the overtime because I had a commitment, but I will say I thought LeBron played great. Again though I don't know what happened in the OT, but I'll give props where it's due.

0 points in OT though is unacceptable if you're the star player.

He scored the only 2 points for the Cavs in OT, but it was when the Warriors defense didn't even bother contesting and the game was already decided by that point.

Cavs as a unit ran out of gas.

[Lebron23]

I like this aggressive Lebron. I need my superstars to try to win the game, not count shots. My biggest knock on LeBron is that I always felt he cared more about the stats than about actually being great.

Tonight he was great san a few brain farts in the fourth/OT. I want more of this Lebron.


Welcome to this forum. You seems a very rational Kobe fan.

[Poetry]

I didn't get to see the overtime because I had a commitment, but I will say I thought LeBron played great. Again though I don't know what happened in the OT, but I'll give props where it's due.

I think Steph had 4 straight and it took the wind out of the Cavs, when it got to 7 you could tell it was over, and the Warriors were getting some nice stops, I think they had two easy strips during the sequence and they were finally starting to get their rebounds, a free-throw brought it to 8 and it was game over.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I thought overall would mean the whole game....:coleman:

Playing well in 4/5 periods = good overall performance. This should be simple. :confusedshrug:

The whole team played poorly in OT, that doesn't cancel out LeBron's effort in keeping Cleveland in the game through 4 quarters.

[LeFraud James]

If he deferred to teammates more, people would be on him for being too passive. He really can't win, even if they'd won the game he'd be getting criticized for something.

He played a great game, OT was a disaster for the entire team, still an excellent effort on his part overall. Respect.

Very true.

It was pretty apparent he was gassed the last few minutes of regulation and OT.

[Magic 32]

220 playoff games...

http://s27.postimg.org/plmmraqjn/image.png

[bobeticus]

If he deferred to teammates more, people would be on him for being too passive. He really can't win, even if they'd won the game he'd be getting criticized for something.

He played a great game, OT was a disaster for the entire team, still an excellent effort on his part overall. Respect.

This one. guys need to tone down the hate bar.... the guy scored still not enough and you say he's been passive.. but if he's not scoring your saying that he's scared of choking... cmon guys.. bron did play great tonight its just isnt enough..

[No_Look604]

Not a Lebron fan here but I gotta say he played a great game tonight, except for the ending of course.

His turnovers were brutal sloppy though, not to mention he had the green to use his elbow any way he wanted to on the offensive end. Couldn't believe my eyes.

And pretty sure he got shook on a several isos against him.

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee-it.

[SteelerKobeFan]

Welcome to this forum. You seems a very rational Kobe fan.

Thank you. :cheers:

Although, I'm not really new. I just don't post much...

I just call it how I see it. I don't see how you can fault LeBron for taking these shots when the team obviously needed the points and his aggressiveness set the tone for the night.

[CarlosBoozer]

He needs to cut down his 3 point attempts, he got good shooters in this team, let them take the 3's

[bobeticus]

He needs to cut down his 3 point attempts, he got good shooters in this team, let them take the 3's

This.

bron need to be aggressive attack the basket upfront or lowpost.... coz he's doing that in the 1st quarter.. and that last shot he take is just horrible... if he just take it strong to the hoop he may have a foul and eventually won that game in regulation but... he take an ill advise shot that's a no no like that in a series like this... :no:

[scandisk_]

Seems like everything Lebron does, you guys find ways to downplay it. Now he's on attack mode, he's inefficient. But when he takes less and selective shots, then he's passive. Hope bran wins this series so he can shut you guys up for good. smh.

[Magic 32]

Seems like everything Lebron does, you guys find ways to downplay it. Now he's on attack mode, he's inefficient. But when he takes less and selective shots, then he's passive.

We would probably not be this merciless if not for the fact that Lebron stans have ridiculed and exuded enormous arrogance towards that playing style for the last 7-8 years.

Now they want to defend this style of play? Hell no.

[RRR3]

Very true.

It was pretty apparent he was gassed the last few minutes of regulation and OT.
:cheers:


At least you're a rational LeBron hater. :cheers:

If he tries like he did tonight he shouldn't get the same shit he got when he choked like he did in 2011

[RRR3]

Seems like everything Lebron does, you guys find ways to downplay it. Now he's on attack mode, he's inefficient. But when he takes less and selective shots, then he's passive. Hope bran wins this series so he can shut you guys up for good. smh.
He won't win if Kyrie isn't healthy (100% guaranteed). Even if he did, it would be "refs" or something.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

We would probably not be this merciless if not for the fact that Lebron stans have ridiculed and exuded enormous arrogance towards that playing style for the last 7-8 years.

Now they want to defend this style of play? Hell no.

Hardcore stans are all scum. Kobe/LeBron stans are the worst of the bunch.

No idea why anyone takes them seriously. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Magic 32,
We have ridiculed this playing style becaus Kobe fans have told us our favorite player (in my case 2nd favorite although you guys didn't like Tmac either) sucked for 12 years. We got sick of it. You created LeBron stans. Deal with it.

[comerb]

Lebron played well. He was taking what they were giving him when they didn't double on iso's

[Magic 32]

Magic 32,
We have ridiculed this playing style becaus Kobe fans have told us our favorite player (in my case 2nd favorite although you guys didn't like Tmac either) sucked for 12 years. We got sick of it. You created LeBron stans. Deal with it.

Hate/love is part of sports.

You can hate someone/love someone as long as you're not a hypocrite.

Lebron stans will flip flop on any subject as long their man get out on top.

That I will not ignore/forgive.

[scandisk_]

We would probably not be this merciless if not for the fact that Lebron stans have ridiculed and exuded enormous arrogance towards that playing style for the last 7-8 years.

Now they want to defend this style of play? Hell no.

So it's all for trolling and shits :applause: Seriously though cut the guy some slack. If it isn't for his braindead teammates they could've sealed this game early. I'm not buying the "let lebron do his thing, it'll tire him out somehow". They can do heavy damage, they just need to do it consistently, but it's the Finals guess everyone's nervous as f*ck.

[RRR3]

Hate/love is part of sports.

You can hate someone/love someone as long as you're not a hypocrite.

Lebron stans will flip flop on any subject as long their man get out on top.

That I will not ignore/forgive.
But you're a hypocrite, my dude. LeBron is playing like Kobe and you're still hating.

[Magic 32]

But you're a hypocrite, my dude. LeBron is playing like Kobe and you're still hating.

I'm only hating on the ending when Lebron disappeared.

And Kobe only has 3 playoff games where he shot +35 times (out of 220)

[Lebron23]

Seems like everything Lebron does, you guys find ways to downplay it. Now he's on attack mode, he's inefficient. But when he takes less and selective shots, then he's passive. Hope bran wins this series so he can shut you guys up for good. smh.


This

Lebron played one of the best game in his playoffs career.

[sbw19]

Reminds me a little of Iverson's 48/5/6/5 performance in Gm1 of '01 Finals. Took 41 shots, shot 44% from field. Kobe forced OT, Lakers took charge, but AI scored 7pts in OT and won the game. Vintage performance against Lakers, despite losing in 5.

[Magic 32]

This

Lebron played one of the best game in his playoffs career.

So you like Kobe now?

[Lebron23]

So you like Kobe now?


LeBron never had a Gasol and Shaq on his team.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

LeBron never have a Gasol and Shaq on his team.

Wade was significantly better than Gasol.

[Bond007]

LeBron never have a Gasol and Shaq on his team.

at the same time?

[Magic 32]

LeBron never had a Gasol and Shaq on his team.

That's not what I asked.

[Lebron23]

Wade was significantly better than Gasol.


In 2011 and 2012.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

In 2011 and 2012.

Yeah...a two year span where LeBron cost the Heat a ring. They should've three-peated from 2011-2013. There's no sense in trying to whittle away at Kobe's two alpha rings when LeBron had a better second option in 2011 and just wasn't able to play at a high enough level to win.

[Mr Feeny]

Thats the very definition of inefficiency.

Says the stan of a 40%fg career scorer in NBA finals?

[RRR3]

Says the stan of a 40%fg career scorer in NBA finals?
Op is a dirk fan

[masonanddixon]

People, I thought Lebron fans were all about EFFICIENCY. Now that he's no longer on Miami, lebron fanbois have switched to the 'aggressiveness' argument to account for his drastically falling efficiency.

[Blue&Orange]

He just needs to stop taking those 3-pointers if they're not falling. I don't understand why players today don't step into a midrange shot if they're not feeling the long ball.
Lebron midrange is historically worse that his 3pt shooting?

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade was significantly better than Gasol.

joke.. In 2011? sure, but beyond that, Gasol was the more consistent, reliable player.

[Rose'sACL]

not really

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4539433/stephmouth_medium.gif
I think he was talking about basketball fans missing lebron. You obviously don't count as one.

[Magic 32]

I think he was talking about basketball fans missing lebron. You obviously don't count as one.

http://data2.whicdn.com/images/57338344/large.jpg

[Eric Cartman]

http://data2.whicdn.com/images/57338344/large.jpg
:lol

[nashwade]

playing Kobe-ball almost always guarantees an L

[HOoopCityJones]

playing Kobe-ball almost always guarantees an L

5/7

[dunksby]

OP tried to bait people but got wrecked, I'm proud of ISH :pimp:

[PP34Deuce]

Last night i saw a Lebron who knows his jumper is just gone. He is shooting like the first 3 years. He's made his fadeways but his standard long 2's and 3's have not been going in.

37 shots leads me to believe he's trying to shoot his slump out. It's got to be frustrating.

[pauk]

Im with Kobe on this one with his tweet, its kindof like:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCffnbyVEAAai-M.jpg

[Doranku]

He's playing winning basketball. The Warriors are giving him single coverage from the post pretty much every time down the floor.

if you're the best player in the world, you have to attack that defense and that's what Bron did. :confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

He's playing winning basketball. The Warriors are giving him single coverage from the post pretty much every time down the floor.

if you're the best player in the world, you have to attack that defense and that's what Bron did. :confusedshrug:
Yeah I am not sure what OPs complaint is?

[The Iron Fist]

less than 50% fg, thats all that matters. Pass the fvcking rock lebron. ball hoggin' 38 shots. Hero ball.:facepalm

[pegasus]

I don't have a problem with him taking that many shots, but my god is he a ball hog. It is extremely boring to watch him pound the ball for twenty seconds at a time, possession after possession.

Say what you want to say about Kobe, he at least made it interesting with variety of moves and kept his defenders (yes, plural) guessing, and took a lot less time to get a shot off. All Lebron does is back his defender (yes, single) down all the way underneath the basket and then push him off and then score or go to the FT line because the refs can't tell the difference between offensive and defensive foul I guess.:rolleyes:

[The Iron Fist]

LeBron never had a Gasol and Shaq on his team.
Whats so great about Gasol? He has a grand total of six playoff wins when Kobe isn't in the same lineup. All six, came this postseason. Shaq has one ring without Kobe, Kobe has 2 without Shaq. Looks like Kobe wins again.:rockon:

[Elosha]

Lebron's individual game was great until crunch time, there's not denying that. He shot a solid (not great) percentage and was very solid from midrange. He continued to struggle from the three point line, and tellingly GS was able to keep him out of the paint. He only took 4 shots in the restricted area, which is incredible on GS's part. Also AI did a great job on him during his defensive time, limiting James to 4-14 and forcing him into a tough shot for the gamewinner.

I tend to think 38 shots is a bit too high, but it's clear that Lebron will have to shoulder a heavier offensive load, even if Kyrie is somehow able to play. He'll have to get 25 to 30 shots a game, but he will also have to get his teammates more involved.

However, that's going to be difficult. One of the troubles with "Lebron ball" is that he's so ball dominant. This has been his M.O. for many years now but there are far too many occasions where he alone will have possession of the ball for 10-20 seconds of single offensive possession. The other players, get lulled into sitting around watching his great offensive game and only get the ball late in the shot clock. Now sometimes this works, like when Lebron is able to drive and pop to an open shooter, hit a flashing cutter from the high post, or run a quality pick and roll.

Ball dominance is a blessing and a curse for any great scorer. However, Lebron is particularly vulnerable to its weaknesses. He gets caught up far too much in overdribbling, holding the ball too long in the post, and generally being a "ball hog." Note, that's not exactly the same thing as someone who shoots too much. By "ball hog," I mean he often has way too high usage of the ball itself. It renders his teammates passive, because Lebron, even when he passes, often dominates the possession of the ball.

In summary, I'd give Lebron an 8.5/10 for this game. Great offense overall, but did not get his teammates involved nearly enough. I move him from a 9 to a 8.5 because he also did not show up in overtime. After he missed the gamewinner, he went passive in overtime, missing his first shot, getting caught in a bad turnover when Curry stole it from him, and then only scoring an uncontested and meaningless layup in the final seconds. Cleveland was well on the way to losing in overtime even before Kyrie went down with his injury, but Lebron has only himself to blame for a poor showing and lack of leadership in overtime.

No one played better than Lebron in Game 1, he was the clearly best player on the floor. But his stats are a bit deceptive, and he will have to play with more team chemistry and a probably bit less individual dominance, for them to have a chance. If Kyrie is finished or limited, that makes it even more difficult. However, game 2 is very dangerous for Golden State. They cannot rest on their laurels, if Cleveland manages to keep it close again and steals game 2, they will have wrestled the advantage away from GS. And the Cavs were this close to doing that in game 1.

[The Iron Fist]

playing Kobe-ball almost always guarantees an L
Except for the originator.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5b/70/29/5b70295fce6736154dcd7f273a5af22b.jpg


Funny thing is, Kobe can play lebrons style, and still win. Kobe can play in his style and still win.

lebron needs to face inexperienced teams and Ray Allen threes to be called champion.

[Elosha]

Lebron's individual game was great until crunch time, there's no denying that. He shot a solid (not great) percentage and was very solid from midrange. He continued to struggle from the three point line, and tellingly GS was able to keep him out of the paint. He only took 4 shots in the restricted area, which is incredible on GS's part. Also AI did a great job on him during his defensive time, limiting James to 4-14 and forcing him into a tough shot for the gamewinner.

I tend to think 38 shots is a bit too high, but it's clear that Lebron will have to shoulder a heavier offensive load, even if Kyrie is somehow able to play. He'll have to get 25 to 30 shots a game, but he will also have to get his teammates more involved.

However, that's going to be difficult. One of the troubles with "Lebron ball" is that he's so ball dominant. This has been his M.O. for many years now but there are far too many occasions where he alone will have possession of the ball for 10-20 seconds of single offensive possession. The other players, get lulled into sitting around watching his great offensive game and only get the ball late in the shot clock. Now sometimes this works, like when Lebron is able to drive and pop to an open shooter, hit a flashing cutter from the high post, or run a quality pick and roll.

Ball dominance is a blessing and a curse for any great scorer. However, Lebron is particularly vulnerable to its weaknesses. He gets caught up far too much in overdribbling, holding the ball too long in the post, and generally being a "ball hog." Note, that's not exactly the same thing as someone who shoots too much. By "ball hog," I mean he often has way too high usage of the ball itself. It renders his teammates passive, because Lebron, even when he passes, often dominates the possession of the ball.

In summary, I'd give Lebron an 8.5/10 for this game. Great offense overall, but did not get his teammates involved nearly enough. I move him from a 9 to a 8.5 because he also did not show up in overtime. After he missed the gamewinner, he went passive in overtime, missing his first shot, getting caught in a bad turnover when Curry stole it from him, and then only scoring an uncontested and meaningless layup in the final seconds. Cleveland was well on the way to losing in overtime even before Kyrie went down with his injury, but Lebron has only himself to blame for a poor showing and lack of leadership in overtime.

No one played better than Lebron in Game 1, he was the clearly best player on the floor. But his stats are a bit deceptive, and he will have to play with more team chemistry and a probably bit less individual dominance, for them to have a chance. If Kyrie is finished or limited, that makes it even more difficult. However, game 2 is very dangerous for Golden State. They cannot rest on their laurels, if Cleveland manages to keep it close again and steals game 2, they will have wrestled the advantage away from GS. And the Cavs were this close to doing that in game 1.

[Cali Syndicate]

LeBron played a really good game. He was unstoppable in the paint, all those misses were from jumpshots. If his jumper wasn't so broken, he'd probably gotten 50 and Cavs win. I guess one can say he should've stopped shooting jumpers but usually he isn't this bad.I hope he continues to miss, go warriors! But as a perimter player, you gotta hit a jumper here and there to keep the defense honest....plus it wears you out attacking the paint non stop. This is where a good mid range post game is ideal. Glad it's not working out for him.

[Dro]

Seems like everything Lebron does, you guys find ways to downplay it. Now he's on attack mode, he's inefficient. But when he takes less and selective shots, then he's passive. Hope bran wins this series so he can shut you guys up for good. smh.
This is why I'm rooting for the Cavs. People try to tear the man down at every turn. He played a great game, he was obviously tired near the end...They'll give it a good shot in game 2 but they HAVE to win this game....

[Dro]

5/7
He didn't win those 5 titles playing "Kobe ball"...like for example 2007...

[Dro]

Lebron's individual game was great until crunch time, there's no denying that. He shot a solid (not great) percentage and was very solid from midrange. He continued to struggle from the three point line, and tellingly GS was able to keep him out of the paint. He only took 4 shots in the restricted area, which is incredible on GS's part. Also AI did a great job on him during his defensive time, limiting James to 4-14 and forcing him into a tough shot for the gamewinner.

I tend to think 38 shots is a bit too high, but it's clear that Lebron will have to shoulder a heavier offensive load, even if Kyrie is somehow able to play. He'll have to get 25 to 30 shots a game, but he will also have to get his teammates more involved.

However, that's going to be difficult. One of the troubles with "Lebron ball" is that he's so ball dominant. This has been his M.O. for many years now but there are far too many occasions where he alone will have possession of the ball for 10-20 seconds of single offensive possession. The other players, get lulled into sitting around watching his great offensive game and only get the ball late in the shot clock. Now sometimes this works, like when Lebron is able to drive and pop to an open shooter, hit a flashing cutter from the high post, or run a quality pick and roll.

Ball dominance is a blessing and a curse for any great scorer. However, Lebron is particularly vulnerable to its weaknesses. He gets caught up far too much in overdribbling, holding the ball too long in the post, and generally being a "ball hog." Note, that's not exactly the same thing as someone who shoots too much. By "ball hog," I mean he often has way too high usage of the ball itself. It renders his teammates passive, because Lebron, even when he passes, often dominates the possession of the ball.

In summary, I'd give Lebron an 8.5/10 for this game. Great offense overall, but did not get his teammates involved nearly enough. I move him from a 9 to a 8.5 because he also did not show up in overtime. After he missed the gamewinner, he went passive in overtime, missing his first shot, getting caught in a bad turnover when Curry stole it from him, and then only scoring an uncontested and meaningless layup in the final seconds. Cleveland was well on the way to losing in overtime even before Kyrie went down with his injury, but Lebron has only himself to blame for a poor showing and lack of leadership in overtime.

No one played better than Lebron in Game 1, he was the clearly best player on the floor. But his stats are a bit deceptive, and he will have to play with more team chemistry and a probably bit less individual dominance, for them to have a chance. If Kyrie is finished or limited, that makes it even more difficult. However, game 2 is very dangerous for Golden State. They cannot rest on their laurels, if Cleveland manages to keep it close again and steals game 2, they will have wrestled the advantage away from GS. And the Cavs were this close to doing that in game 1.
Great point...Lebron is holding the ball way too long....

[Out_In_Utah]

18/38 = 47%

If he makes 2 more shots he's at 50%.. big deal. I'd rather he go down swinging then worrying about FG% and stats like that. He's played that way since the beginning of the playoffs.. no need to hate.

Agreed. At least he didn't shy away... until overtime that is.

[Sakkreth]

and who was supposed to take some of his shots ?

Exactly.

[Elosha]

and who was supposed to take some of his shots ?

Exactly.

Somewhat of a fair point. However, I think Lebron could have facilitated more ball movement in general, rather than holding the ball so much on so many possessions. Ball movement alone would have generated more open looks for other players. Plus if Lebron would cut and move without the ball more, he would probably find the ball back in his hands and in good scoring opportunities. Unfortunately, that's not a big part of his game.

J.R. Smith started out great but trailed off. Lebron should have tried to go to Smith more often to encourage his confidence as a shooter and get him back in the position of being a threat all series long, like he was against Atlanta. Smith's confidence is as streaky as his shooting touch, and Lebron and Kyrie needed to facilitate him more often. Speaking of Kyrie, to be quite honest, he played basically as well as Lebron on a per/possession basis, and Lebron probably should have deferred more shots to him. Also there wasn't a very good effort to get Jones free for open threes, probably because Lebron was largely prevented from drive and pops scenarios.

Lebron played a very good game overall and I'm not faulting him for his aggression -- but he certainly could have tried to get his teammates more involved as perhaps a more effective strategy than his high ball usage.

[diamenz]

bron had a great game. i dunno what happened to him in ot though, i don't even remember even noticing him on the floor.

[BlazerRed]

LeWESTBROOK

[FLDFSU]

Is this the same Lebron-ball you idiots claimed made his team and his teammates worse?

Is that why Miami has been home since April and the Cavs are still playing?

[edrick]

Who else on the Cavs can create his own shot? JR, sure if you consider taking terrible shot as creating. Shump? :roll: If Kyrie can't go, Lebron will have to create everything.

[pauk]

GSW is just to much for Cavs atm and to much for Lebron to try compensate, even though he is trying, hard... thats all you need to accept when talking about WHY HE LOST.... Lebron is agressive and thats all you can ask from an individual in a team game, a game where his team lacks Love/Kyrie and is facing what is one of the deepest offensive/defensive teams ever imo, at their full strength, with hc advantage...

As long as the player is agressive, TRIES, just like what Lebron is doing... im happy.... because thats the only thing a player can control, everything else is out of his hands... he cant control how well his teammates shoot, pass, dribble, defend... nor can he control how well the opposing team plays...

Lebron is & will be the most productive player in the Finals... if its enough or not enough to win against this MUCH better team atm then so be it... the better team will win....

I dont know how many times all these greats have to prove this to you...... that you can be the greatest player to ever touch a basketball and not win, no matter how well you play, simply because the other team is just to much...... even Michael Jordan, just take a look at his crazy productions in the 80s in the playoffs losses...

Hell, Jerry West won a FMVP this way.... winning the FMVP in Finals in a losing team is ultimate proof of this... that you played so god damn perfect & well... but the opposing team was just to much....

A .50 caliber is much stronger than a .22 caliber... but as a unit not when your other 4 teammates have knives and the .22 caliber guy has also 4 teammates equipped with .22 calibers... :P

[The Iron Fist]

GSW is just to much for Cavs atm and to much for Lebron to try compensate, even though he is trying, hard... thats all you need to accept when talking about WHY HE LOST.... Lebron is agressive and thats all you can ask from an individual in a team game, a game where his team lacks Love/Kyrie and is facing what is one of the deepest offensive/defensive teams ever imo, at their full strength, with hc advantage...

As long as the player is agressive, TRIES, just like what Lebron is doing... im happy.... because thats the only thing a player can control, everything else is out of his hands... he cant control how well his teammates shoot, pass, dribble, defend... nor can he control how well the opposing team plays...

Lebron is & will be the most productive player in the Finals... if its enough or not enough to win against this MUCH better team atm then so be it... the better team will win....

I dont know how many times all these greats have to prove this to you...... that you can be the greatest player to ever touch a basketball and not win, no matter how well you play, simply because the other team is just to much...... even Michael Jordan, just take a look at his crazy productions in the 80s in the playoffs losses...

Hell, Jerry West won a FMVP this way.... winning the FMVP in Finals in a losing team is ultimate proof of this... that you played so god damn perfect & well... but the opposing team was just to much....

A .50 caliber is much stronger than a .22 caliber... but as a unit not when your other 4 teammates have knives and the .22 caliber guy has also 4 teammates equipped with .22 calibers... :P
lebron makes his teammates better though.:roll:

[pauk]

lebron makes his teammates better though.:roll:

Ofcourse, which is the only way possible to "make your teammates better" and that is to put them in the best position possible to score/shoot/use their abilities and pushing them/leading by example..... However, you cant control their talent/skill level, he puts you in that position and then its up to that players talent/skill level to hit the shot, thats out of his hands..... if Shump was a better shooter he would have hit that wideopen shot in the corner that would have won the game for example....

Then comes the defense.... where its 100% strict individual talent/athleticism/iq at work.... where Lebron cant do anything to "make them better/give them great looks".... its up to each and every guy, effort & talent...

....and thats ultimately what differentiates a unit with deeper pool of talent/skill (GSW) from a lesser unit of that, who just so happen to have the best player in the world trying to compensate for all the talent they lack... and Lebron sure can do that like not many could in NBA history, he is that talented, hence the team overachieves like hell.... but they then finally meet "THAT TEAM" which is always in the Finals....

[The Iron Fist]

Ofcourse, which is the only way possible to "make your teammates better" and that is to put them in the best position possible to score/shoot/use their abilities and pushing them/leading by example..... However, you cant control their talent/skill level, he puts you in that position and then its up to that players talent/skill level to hit the shot, thats out of his hands..... if Shump was a better shooter he would have hit that wideopen shot in the corner that would have won the game for example....

Then comes the defense.... where its 100% strict individual talent/athleticism/iq at work.... where Lebron cant do anything to "make them better/give them great looks".... its up to each and every guy, effort & talent...

....and thats ultimately what differentiates a unit with deeper pool of talent/skill (GSW) from a lesser unit of that, who just so happen to have the best player in the world trying to compensate for all the talent they lack...
So in reality, he doesn't make his teammates better. :applause:


Funny thing, you weren't saying this 2 years ago.

[pauk]

So in reality, he doesn't make his teammates better. :applause:

We can agree on that if you wish, but only if you accept that if Lebron didnt make his teammates better by your logic... then nobody in NBA history did....



Funny thing, you weren't saying this 2 years ago.

I dont know what you are referring to but all i know is i was a different poster 2 years ago, especially further back than that...

To get back on the subject, i know you act like you dont know what im talking about due to Lebron hatred or whatever, but lets use another example, then maybe you can be more objective.... Kobe, you have seen what i am talking about with him very thoroughly... you have seen Kobe after Shaq left (even w/ Shaq in 2004) and pre-Gasol (even w/ Gasol in 2011, damn those Mavs)..... Kobe played great, was agressive, he was the best, that didnt matter, teams were just better.... its extremly simple.... the better team that year will always win no matter what, always....

Hence talking example about Kobes/Lebrons efficiency, that they are losing because of this shot or turnover or whatever, that they should have done this or that, is just a moot point... because its the better team that are causing them to play the way they do right in the moment and then its immediately history....

Fas need to give less shit to the player and more credit to opposing team.... i promise you if GSW wins this, nobody will be talking about that or Curry and give them credit they truly deserve and accept that they were just a better team and so on........ they will be talking about/criticizing Lebron.... 2/6 and all that.... no matter how well he played and no matter what he had around him, no matter who he faced, there will be something.... People expect him to win a championship every single ***ing year, no matter what.... and they dont give a damn he just took the 2nd worst team in NBA history to the Finals (with injured Love/Kyrie, yep, arguable) and the only other worse team that was in Finals was also a team he took there, in 2007....