Mozgov travel

[zoom17]

Was it really a travel I didn't see that many replays of the play? I had to run a little errand.

On a side note one of my friends who was watching the game slammed his drink after the play and was kicked out :oldlol:

[Thunderfan86]

Was it really a travel I didn't see that many replays of the play? I had to run a little errand.

On a side note one of my friends who was watching the game slammed his drink after the play and was kicked out :oldlol:
Where were you guys?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He shuffled it was def a travel. But players travel like that all the time in this era. Lebron in the post traveled 3 times with no calls at all as well. Players arent as skilled with their postgame, footwork and positioning as they used to be

[JerrySeinfeld]

He clearly took 3 steps.

My problem is with some of the over travel calls they missed this game.

[Real14]

It was a travel man.

[Done_And_Done]

OT - I'm really impressed with the Russian. For a guy his size, he's outstandingly agile and coordinated

[Inferno]

It was a travel but JVG was a little upset because refs don't call it consistently

[comerb]

Yes, it was pretty clearly a travel.

[BallsOut]

Yes it was a clear travel. Good call by the refs. He dribbled to a hop step and then pivoted and then jumped. That's always a travel.

[Soundwave]

Technically a travel, but the refs usually let that go. That said, the Cavs got away with a few themselves. LeBron hooked/pushed off Igoudala like twice in one sequence and Igoudala got called for a foul.

Kyrie got more of Steph's hand than any of the ball on that block late in regulation too.

[zoom17]

I rewatched the play and he did travel. I do agree with Jeff gundy they need to call that more as lots of players get away with it.

[nzahir]

Any gif of the play; i didnt think it was a travel. Why was it? Maybe im so used to the nba calling no travels unless its blatant. But I cant believe they called that tbh; hard to see in the paint and it was a huge play

[dontgetchoked]

Any gif of the play; i didnt think it was a travel. Why was it? Maybe im so used to the nba calling no travels unless its blatant. But I cant believe they called that tbh; hard to see in the paint and it was a huge play

http://gfycat.com/HideousWindingGibbon

hopstep then he pivots, but it really looks like he moved the pivot foot to me. either way, its a travel. just surprising the refs actually called it.

[nzahir]

http://gfycat.com/HideousWindingGibbon

hopstep then he pivots, but it really looks like he moved the pivot foot to me. either way, its a travel. just surprising the refs actually called it.
Its pretty close; maybe im just wrong or cant fully tell but i thought he didnt shuffle them

[buddha]

It was a travel but JVG was a little upset because refs don't call it consistently

probably cause there's so much contact in the post it's hard to look at feet and the arms at the same time.

I understand why travels aren't called that often. it's something I don't hold against the refs.

[LeFraud James]

Technically a travel, but the refs usually let that go. That said, the Cavs got away with a few themselves. LeBron hooked/pushed off Igoudala like twice in one sequence and Igoudala got called for a foul.

Kyrie got more of Steph's hand than any of the ball on that block late in regulation too.

I agree with everything in your post except for Kyrie's block at the end of regulation.

That's as clean of a block you'll see in the NBA. Props to Kyrie for an absolutely amazing game on both ends of the floor tonight.

Shame he got injured, was hoping for an entertaining series.

[ukfan22]

they called it because he came to a complete stop and went back the other way, they won't call it if it's all part of a fluid move

[navy]

Kyrie got more of Steph's hand than any of the ball on that block late in regulation too.
The hand is part of the ball....

[chazzy]

http://gfycat.com/HideousWindingGibbon#?speed=0.5

Obvious travel. Indianguy probably whining about it still

[JimmyMcAdocious]

The hand is part of the ball....

If you get the ball. Not saying you think this, but some seem to interpret that rule as you can just go at the hands and have it not be a foul. Because you really can't.

btw, I thought it was a clean block. Incredible recovery, too.

[bdreason]

Hopstep to pivot is an easy call for the refs.

[CarlosBoozer]

Travel but refs are inconsistent as f*ck

[Sakkreth]

It is a travel, however it's like never called in the NBA, that's where JVG is coming from.

[navy]

I thought if you dribble on the hopstep you can still pivot,

Apparently not.

[Genaro]

Clearly a travel but why are people so caught up on that play? There were 2 minutes left, not like it was on the last play of the game.

The NBA refs don't really whistle this isn't an excuse to travel. Props for the refs for making the right call one time.

[Sarcastic]

He made bone headed moves like this all the time on the Knicks. Glad to see he's up to his same old self after all these years.

[INDI]

they called it because he came to a complete stop and went back the other way, they won't call it if it's all part of a fluid move

This. The difference with his and the thousands of others that are not called was the hopstep; a hopstep is a clear indicator that your driving motion is done and pretty easy for the refs to know you can't shuffle feat afterwards.

[nashwade]

http://gfycat.com/HideousWindingGibbon

hopstep then he pivots, but it really looks like he moved the pivot foot to me. either way, its a travel. just surprising the refs actually called it.

that's some high quality clip!

[BuffaloBill]

Travel but refs are inconsistent as f*ck



They're consistent with not hitting Lebron with those offensive fouls when he's punching dudes in the jaw on the way to the rim

[Nuff Said]

I thought if you dribble on the hopstep you can still pivot,

Apparently not.
He didn't pivot. He had no pivot foot. He traveled.

[Patrick Chewing]

He lifted his pivot foot.


Travel. Been a travel since the rule was created.

[Out_In_Utah]

Was it really a travel I didn't see that many replays of the play? I had to run a little errand.

On a side note one of my friends who was watching the game slammed his drink after the play and was kicked out :oldlol:

Yes it was a travel, he shifted his pivot foot a good 6 inches, but by NBA standards, it rarely gets called.

[Akrazotile]

OT - I'm really impressed with the Russian. For a guy his size, he's outstandingly agile and coordinated

Yeah, Mozgriffin is def on the come up.

Also, that may have been a travel in 1963. Thats a nice move in today's NBA. Either call it all the time or dont call it. Refs ruined a pretty sick display by Mozgriffin.

[Derka]

It was technically a travel but it was stupid to call it. Lebron traveled about a hundred times in the post last night and there wasn't even a thought of calling a travel on him. Just a really inconsistent way to call it and they really should have let it go.

[kennethgriffin]

you have to go straight up after taking a hop step. you cant pivot after the fact

it was a travel

i cant believe the commentators didnt see it.... and one of them is a former ref

[Champ]

Traveling, in general, is not enforced the way it used to be.

That said, I'd prefer that refs let minor pivot violations go instead of this stuff - https://fansided.com/2015/06/04/kyrie-irving-travel-nba-finals-game-1-video/ - which gives the offending player a greater advantage.

[JerrySeinfeld]

It was technically a travel but it was stupid to call it. Lebron traveled about a hundred times in the post last night and there wasn't even a thought of calling a travel on him. Just a really inconsistent way to call it and they really should have let it go.

this is such a stupid mentality that only promotes awful and inconsistent officiating even more.

[kshutts1]

100% a travel, and just like JVG, I'm more upset with the lack of consistency than I am with the refs making the "correct" call.

Call was certainly right, but should not have been called. That type of "travel" happens on at least 50% of all plays. I'd be OK with them calling each and every one, but can't pick and choose, as JVG said.

Most annoying thing about the whole game, even though they were consistent, is all the allowed pushoffs. I've seen that be called a foul way too often in past games. Again, I appreciated the game-long consistency of allowing it, but some of them were pretty bad.

[kshutts1]

As a tangent, it's pretty annoying to me that I can no longer say an NBA team does a "good" job officiating. They either do a "fair" or "unfair" job officiating, but I don't remember the last time I saw a "good" job.

[JebronLames]

I thought if you dribble on the hopstep you can still pivot,

Apparently not.
I thought so too. I think if a perimeter player made that move, it wouldn't have been called. It was called because a big man did it, and it looked kind of awkward.

I also don't know if some of you are serious or hating with that mentality of if it's technically against the rules it should be called. When analyzing whether calls were good or not, they should be compared to how often it gets called in that situation.

[plowking]

Are NBA rules different?

I was always taught in the post to jump-stop on two feet, and be able to step through (essentially pick a pivot foot). I don't see why NBA would be any different, and it doesn't make sense not to allow a pivot foot. In what way is landing with the right foot for example, a split second earlier, thus allowing me to pivot with it, any different than landing with both, and being able to pivot with it?

[Out_In_Utah]

Are NBA rules different?

I was always taught in the post to jump-stop on two feet, and be able to step through (essentially pick a pivot foot). I don't see why NBA would be any different, and it doesn't make sense not to allow a pivot foot. In what way is landing with the right foot for example, a split second earlier, thus allowing me to pivot with it, any different than landing with both, and being able to pivot with it?

That is not the issue. The issue is he moved his pivot foot. :hammerhead:

[Solefade]

That is not the issue. The issue is he moved his pivot foot. :hammerhead:


this. but it wasn't very blatant and probably should have been let go

[InfiniteBaskets]

Well sometimes a hop step to a pivot isn't a travel...

http://share.gifyoutube.com/v14V5P.gif

[plowking]

That is not the issue. The issue is he moved his pivot foot. :hammerhead:

Fair enough, I've only seen the play once. But is it a travel had he not moved it?

Like the example Infinite Baskets posted above. IMO that isn't a travel, and that is initially what I thought Mozgov did, but now I realize he moved his foot.

[kennethgriffin]

It amazes me how sh*tty the nba and its fans have become



You know its bad when people cant handle ONE god damn traveling violation per game







Lets just make it sarcastiball and get rid of any rule that isnt sppealing to the eye... eliminate havkashaq... no more travels... blah blah blah

[navy]

Fair enough, I've only seen the play once. But is it a travel had he not moved it?

Like the example Infinite Baskets posted above. IMO that isn't a travel, and that is initially what I thought Mozgov did, but now I realize he moved his foot.
From my understanding no, because he dribblined into it he is free to decided which foot is the pivot and both are availabe.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Fair enough, I've only seen the play once. But is it a travel had he not moved it?

Like the example Infinite Baskets posted above. IMO that isn't a travel, and that is initially what I thought Mozgov did, but now I realize he moved his foot.

Technically both are travels. LeBron got away with one, to the benefit of Heat fans, but he did travel. He gathers his dribble, steps with his left foot (one step) and then lands on both feet (second step) and then cannot take another step, which he does with his left foot again.

[AboutBuckets]

Fair enough, I've only seen the play once. But is it a travel had he not moved it?

Like the example Infinite Baskets posted above. IMO that isn't a travel, and that is initially what I thought Mozgov did, but now I realize he moved his foot.

Had he kept his pivot planted, it would have been a completely legal move. And from the replay it doesn't seem like he really gained much space by lifting the pivot so it ended up being more of a sloppy error than an illegal advantage. A travel's a travel though

[wally_world]

not a travel in the nba

[MavsSuperFan]

Refs let lebron travel way more blatantly all the time.

[Le Shaqtus]

They're consistent with not hitting Lebron with those offensive fouls when he's punching dudes in the jaw on the way to the rim

It's pretty much an offensive foul every time he goes to the rim, shit never gets called.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Why the hell is everyone talking about pivot?

Can you not see him moving both his feet AFTER the hop step? So essentially it's like he hopped twice. That's a travel.

There's no pivoting going on. Just a hop step on 2 feet (stopping motion), then another hop lifting both feet off the ground while he's spinning.

Have you guys ever noticed how when someone isn't moving (i.e. catching the ball on the 3 point line), they can't take any steps before dribbling? That's cause they're not in motion. If someone catches an outlet pass while running theyre allowed to take 2 steps and take a layup (cause they were in motion).

[bdreason]

Well sometimes a hop step to a pivot isn't a travel...

http://share.gifyoutube.com/v14V5P.gif


That's traveling.

[Cleverness]

Yes it was a travel, he shifted his pivot foot a good 6 inches, but by NBA standards, it rarely gets called.

this. people arguing whether it was a travel because he jump stopped into a pivot, but when you do that AND move your pivot foot 6 inches, then it's a travel.


it was a travel

i cant believe the commentators didnt see it.... and one of them is a former ref

they've been hoping Warriors lose all playoffs. Mark Jackson still really bitter.:(