What's up with David Lee?

[Braincells]

Why isn't he getting minutes? Dude averaged 20 and 10 just a few seasons ago. Couldn't he help their rebounding woes?

[LikeABosh]

He sucks:confusedshrug:

[BasedTom]

He's about to win a ring:confusedshrug:

[TemporaMutantur]

Defensive liability.

He's good, but they already have the scoring, and Draymond essentially does everything he did AND plays D.

[WorldWarriors]

Turnstile. He got minutes in the Memphis series and was okay. But other than that his D is not worth the points.

[HomieWeMajor]

David Lee was a statpadder with minimal effect on the game. He got 20/10 in a season where the Knicks were inflating players numbers to increase trade value.

[warriorfan]

David Lee was a statpadder with minimal effect on the game. He got 20/10 in a season where the Knicks were inflating players numbers to increase trade value.

David Lee was an All-Star or Borderline All-Star in his Hayday. He could score and pass and was a good rebounder. Him being "No-D-Lee" was always overstated. He played with garbage teams that didn't give two shits about the defensive end. He could play decent defense when he was paired with a defensive oriented center when he was younger. He is just too old now.

[MP.Trey]

The Warriors are just so damn stacked that this former All Star is getting DNP-CD's

[SpecialQue]

Remember when Lee was in the all star game and Curry wasn't?

[Cali Syndicate]

Lee was injured to start the season, Warriors started steamrolling without him and basically lost his spot in the rotation. Then he started get some playing time as a backup but Around the start of the playoffs, started having back issues. Guess at that point, it just hasn't made sense trying to find him minutes when they've been doing so well without him.

IMO, still a very serviceable player. A bit overpaid, but who isn't these days.

[SyRyanYang]

David Lee was an All-Star or Borderline All-Star in his Hayday. He could score and pass and was a good rebounder. Him being "No-D-Lee" was always overstated. He played with garbage teams that didn't give two shits about the defensive end. He could play decent defense when he was paired with a defensive oriented center when he was younger. He is just too old now.

warrior fan spitting the true:eek: :eek: :eek:

[DMAVS41]

Obviously this has worked out for the Warriors as they are about to win a title, but a big reason why I was in favor of a trade (the Love trade) was because they shed Lee's contract.

They are going to have to find a way to find a team to take on the last year of that deal so they can make all this money work.

[SwishSquared]

Obviously this has worked out for the Warriors as they are about to win a title, but a big reason why I was in favor of a trade (the Love trade) was because they shed Lee's contract.

They are going to have to find a way to find a team to take on the last year of that deal so they can make all this money work.They could swallow hard and have a ~$100M payroll next year. The luxury tax payment would be huge, but it is for just 1 year, I suppose.

Ownership said they'd do what it takes to field a contender, but I wouldn't be shocked if we see a 3 or 4 team trade this summer with Barnes & Lee traded. Harrison is extension-eligible this summer, else he will hit RFA next offseason.

I remember talking to you in some of those trade threads and agreeing with dumping David Lee's contract. He's too much of a defensive liability nowadays to get big minutes, or big bucks. I didn't foresee Draymond being the full-time starter, so I was way off after being on the "Trade-for-Love bandwagon." lol

[DMAVS41]

They could swallow hard and have a ~$100M payroll next year. The luxury tax payment would be huge, but it is for just 1 year, I suppose.

Ownership said they'd do what it takes to field a contender, but I wouldn't be shocked if we see a 3 or 4 team trade this summer with Barnes & Lee traded. Harrison is extension-eligible this summer, else he will hit RFA next offseason.

I remember talking to you in some of those trade threads and agreeing with dumping David Lee's contract. He's too much of a defensive liability nowadays to get big minutes, or big bucks. I didn't foresee Draymond being the full-time starter, so I was way off after being on the "Trade-for-Love bandwagon." lol

Yea...clearly we were wrong...although I still don't think Klay is as good as most do.

Never saw Draymond being this good either so the Love trade makes even less sense.

Ugh...I'd hate for them to lose Barnes because he's so crucial and that role is absolutely perfect for him and the Warriors.

I wonder if they could send Lee and a first rounder to the sixers and just have them absorb him. Not sure if the math works on that, but the Sixers could get a first rounder out of it...and then flip Lee at the deadline to a team needing something for a playoff push as Lee wouldn't cost much by then.

So a team like the sixers could potentially get a first and 2nd rounder out of that.

I think that would allow them to basically max Green or close...and give Harrison a quality extension. Then with the cap increases looming....allow them to super max Curry...and evaluate the Iggy/Bogut situations.

Curry/Klay/Draymond is the core they have to build around first obviously.

[franchise#3]

White players are being oppressed.

[smoovegittar]

Always liked David Lee. Hard worker...Great kid. Isiah picked him with Frye and Robinson.

[SwishSquared]

Yea...clearly we were wrong...although I still don't think Klay is as good as most do.

Never saw Draymond being this good either so the Love trade makes even less sense.

Ugh...I'd hate for them to lose Barnes because he's so crucial and that role is absolutely perfect for him and the Warriors.

I wonder if they could send Lee and a first rounder to the sixers and just have them absorb him. Not sure if the math works on that, but the Sixers could get a first rounder out of it...and then flip Lee at the deadline to a team needing something for a playoff push as Lee wouldn't cost much by then.

So a team like the sixers could potentially get a first and 2nd rounder out of that.

I think that would allow them to basically max Green or close...and give Harrison a quality extension. Then with the cap increases looming....allow them to super max Curry...and evaluate the Iggy/Bogut situations.

Curry/Klay/Draymond is the core they have to build around first obviously.I like Barnes' role on this team, just as I love Green's role. The system and players fits so perfectly it's hard to break it up, especially after a dominant RS and fresh off a title (I think it's safe to assume that now).

I really liked Draymond in the first round vs. LAC last year (the floor spacing GSW had spread LAC very thin), but thought that he'd be a perfect sparkplug off the bench, not a big minutes DPoY-caliber player. It still would have been awesome to see a Curry/Love pairing, especially with that coaching staff. Klay would have a difficult adjustment in a different role I think, though he could pull it off, but Curry's "gravity" on the court is insane. Hard for me to evaluate some of their guys in a vacuum, if that makes sense.

Sixers will rent cap space for a first for sure, but it has to be a specific pick imo, especially since they'll be on the hook for so much. I think GSW owes Utah another first rounder from the Iggy S&T, so it'd be a pick way in the future (like 2019 or something). I was actually thinking of this fake trade:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=njbw6ob

GSW receives: ATL's 2015 first (after Nets pick swap), massive TPE
ATL receives: Future OKC pick (via Philly), 2015 2nd rounder (via Philly),smallish TPE
Philly Receives: Charlotte's lotto pick, smallish TPE
Charlotte Receives: Future MIA pick

I think MJ legit would do that trade, ATL has to cut $6M or so to re-sign Caroll or Millsap unless those guys take pay cuts (no Bird Rights due to 2 year deals), Philly has cap space in spades, and GSW can find a 3&D player just outside the lotto. Wouldn't happen realistically (who breaks up a title's starting 5 or trades out of lotto like that?), but it's oddly fun giving a team so much dead weight expiring contracts like I did to the 76ers haha.

Disregard the guys who are FAs this summer in that trade- ESPN hasn't updated it quite yet. $$$$ should still work when this season ends.

[Collie]

He's 32. Not exactly a spring chicken and coming off injuries. His deteriorating physical skills means that he's even slower on defense. If he was 3 years younger, he would have been a very important part of this team.

[morbius]

I don't see why dumping Lee this offseason should be a problem. He is a solid veteran on an expiring contract and a ring. Why should GS have to bribe someone with a pick to take him? If it comes to worst, they can always buy him out and use the stretch provision.

And they should absolutely extend Barnes and Green. Yes, they will demand a lot and it will put GS in luxury tax territory, but you are a champion, so shut up and pay your taxes.

[keep-itreal]

David Lee = poor man's Kevin Love

[Clifton]

I hope he's traded. He's a good player, but he simply has no role on that team as it's currently constructed.

I hope he gets dealt to a team that needs what he brings. He is a bit of an "empty stats" player, but he's one of the best rebounders in the league and one of the best passing big men. Those are two skills many teams could use.

[blacknapalm]

Yea...clearly we were wrong...although I still don't think Klay is as good as most do.

Never saw Draymond being this good either so the Love trade makes even less sense.

Ugh...I'd hate for them to lose Barnes because he's so crucial and that role is absolutely perfect for him and the Warriors.

I wonder if they could send Lee and a first rounder to the sixers and just have them absorb him. Not sure if the math works on that, but the Sixers could get a first rounder out of it...and then flip Lee at the deadline to a team needing something for a playoff push as Lee wouldn't cost much by then.

So a team like the sixers could potentially get a first and 2nd rounder out of that.

I think that would allow them to basically max Green or close...and give Harrison a quality extension. Then with the cap increases looming....allow them to super max Curry...and evaluate the Iggy/Bogut situations.

Curry/Klay/Draymond is the core they have to build around first obviously.

agreed. also what clifton said. he simply doesn't fit this GS team.

unless he's scoring 20+ points, it's just hard to make up for his defense. just look at the +/-. green is better in almost every aspect, especially defensively. he makes touch passes amongst other solid passes, including skip passes and outlets passes. he just has a feel for the game. he has high bball IQ, is aggressive and can finish, draws fouls and can occasionally hit a 3 pointer at a good clip. also can legit play 1-5 at an acceptable rate. very vocal and puts effort. it's just hard to match that versatility and intensity. if he's not scoring, you can rest assured that green is helping on the other end. you really can't say that about many players and he's one of the best 'glue' guys in the game. he's the role player that championship teams need. if he improves his 3 point shooting even more, i don't know what you do w/ the team. they've already shown they don't mind sharing the ball.

there's also barnes. he has length to match up defensively. he has the ability to shoot around 40% on 3's. he also can drive. he's basically the 4th option on offense and he's going to take advantage of that. if you put a smaller guy on him, GS can take advantage in the post. barnes can be a borderline all-star and can match up so many ways on defense. we're just scraping the transition end. barbosa might not be what he was, but he's still a threat you have to account for.

when lee is on defense, it's like the rest of the team has to compensate for him and sometimes overhelp or is looking over their shoulders. he's just the odd man out. he doesn't fit on this current GS team, especially w/ ezeili potentially emerging. i can definitely see ezeli taking the bogut role in the next couple seasons. different progressions and ezeli might not be the defensive force that bogut is, but he's solid at the same time while improving his offensive game. they can find a pick n pop game w/ ezeli. if GS moves lee for a younger post presence, we're talking about a potential dynasty, especially if he's a guy that you can dump into the low post now and then and/or run hard in the PNR. GS is about two deep in every position as it is.

when you think about it, GS is pretty damn stacked. oozing of talent and they can small ball at the same time w/ arguably the best back court in the league w/ solid defense.

the only thing holding GS back is playing in the west and against dangerous PGs that might drain curry. then again, what other team has that defensive potential? they have four great to solid defenders on the perimeter in green, iggy, barnes and thompson. not like curry is a slouch either. kerr as coach.

[bigt]

If the Warriors can shed that contract sometime next season, with the cap increase expected from the TV deal how feasible is it to keep a hold on both Green and Barnes? Really the way that team is built right now they can be contending for a title for the next couple of seasons, and although I think they can still do it without Barnes, he always seems to pull out a big performance at times when it matters. It's always good to have a guy or two on your team outside of your superstars who can pull out a game winning performance in the playoffs every now and then.

Scary to think this Warriors team might not even be at their peak.

[Haymaker]

Yea...clearly we were wrong...although I still don't think Klay is as good as most do.

Never saw Draymond being this good either so the Love trade makes even less sense.

Ugh...I'd hate for them to lose Barnes because he's so crucial and that role is absolutely perfect for him and the Warriors.

I wonder if they could send Lee and a first rounder to the sixers and just have them absorb him. Not sure if the math works on that, but the Sixers could get a first rounder out of it...and then flip Lee at the deadline to a team needing something for a playoff push as Lee wouldn't cost much by then.

So a team like the sixers could potentially get a first and 2nd rounder out of that.

I think that would allow them to basically max Green or close...and give Harrison a quality extension. Then with the cap increases looming....allow them to super max Curry...and evaluate the Iggy/Bogut situations.

Curry/Klay/Draymond is the core they have to build around first obviously.

Add Bogut to that core.