Kyrie's Dad And Agent Are Pissed ..

[zizozain]

[MP.Trey]

Kyrie was the one who was so adamant about playing... He said even giving 50% is better than nothing.

[KiiiiNG]

boo ****ing hoo....

irving needs to suck it up and play

[Bobcats2013]

boo ****ing hoo....

irving needs to suck it up and play

eyyyyy was good kobe bean

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Doesn't matter now. Still injured.

[FireMcFailPlease]

boo ****ing hoo....

irving needs to suck it up and play
I agree. Get out there with your broken knee cap and suck it up.

[scm5]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378433

Sup yo.

Phase 1 in progress.

[NumberSix]

How in the hell did his knee cap break?

[RedBlackAttack]

Kyrie was the one who was so adamant about playing... He said even giving 50% is better than nothing.
Actually, I think it was LeBron who said that.

Either way, the Cavs covered themselves by allowing Kyrie to get a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews. No doubt in my mind, as I said in the other thread, that this kneecap has been the issue all along. But, MRI imaging isn't perfect and Dr. Andrews came to the same conclusion as the Cavs' doctors.

The whole situation sucks, but there is no one to blame here. The doctors didn't see anything structural wrong (even thought there was), and the Cavs and Kyrie rightly trusted the doctors.

There was nothing malicious here. Just a freak thing.

[Jon_Koncak]

Why exactly would they be pissed?the broken knee cap thing didnt have anythin to do with the previous injury,right?He just fell awkardly and broke it.

[r15mohd]

Just a concerned parent...always going to overprotect their child for the most part, especially considering this can be career changing for such a high rated player

Cavs aren't in the wrong, and neither is pops for being frustrated...just overall unfortunate

[zizozain]

How in the hell did his knee cap break?
banged knees with Klay

[Alamо]

Kyrie was the one who was so adamant about playing... He said even giving 50% is better than nothing.


How could anyone be mad? That's just math

[Alamо]

banged knees with Klay


Klay looks like he got some strong as knee caps

[scm5]

Actually, I think it was LeBron who said that.

Either way, the Cavs covered themselves by allowing Kyrie to get a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews. No doubt in my mind, as I said in the other thread, that this kneecap has been the issue all along. But, MRI imaging isn't perfect and Dr. Andrews came to the same conclusion as the Cavs' doctors.

The whole situation sucks, but there is no one to blame here. The doctors didn't see anything structural wrong (even thought there was), and the Cavs and Kyrie rightly trusted the doctors.

There was nothing malicious here. Just a freak thing.

No, I think you were right in the other thread. Kyrie probably felt like there was something wrong. They couldn't find it. They should have trusted Kyrie.

[RedBlackAttack]

No, I think you were right in the other thread. Kyrie probably felt like there was something wrong. They couldn't find it. They should have trusted Kyrie.
I think they did trust Kyrie, and Kyrie felt like something was wrong... but he still needed to hear it. That's why he went to Dr. Andrews. Once Andrews gave him the go ahead with no restrictions, Kyrie was going to play. He's not going to sit out The Finals when every doctor he goes to -- including the top guy -- tells him it is fine.

My post in the other thread was directed more toward players/fans who were asking him to "man up" essentially when he knew something wasn't right. But, I don't think there was any way, after getting 100% clearance from the best guy in the field for this sort of thing, that he was going to sit out... even though he still -- deep down -- knew something was off.

It was just an unfortunate series of events and it shows that modern medicine still doesn't always have all the answers.

[scandisk_]

The rest of the team really needs to step up BIGTIME. Lebron might even injure himself if he keeps playing at this pace. Sure they contribute, but it's the friggin Finals doe. It's friggin do or die.

[tontoz]

I went to the ER one time with bad stomach pains. Doc there says he thinks i have a virus and gives me some painkillers.

I had a ruptured appendix. Stuff happens.

[Bond007]

Kyrie is injury prone. Sad but true . I question Cavs getting a shot again to win a championship in the near future. i Just saw his freakin list if injuries before entering even the league wow. is he like DRose bec of style of play ?

[bobeticus]

The rest of the team really needs to step up BIGTIME. Lebron might even injure himself if he keeps playing at this pace. Sure they contribute, but it's the friggin Finals doe. It's friggin do or die.

This.. Lebron is not MJ nor Kobe... can't do it 48 minutes in the floor... other must step up... and Lebron must stop the isolation and run the shut clock til its 5 secs and then bail it out for nothing... just make iso's sporadic... need to pass his teamates more....

[catch24]

He sat for basically the entire Atlanta series. What more could they (training staff) have done?

Ultimately it was Kyrie's decision to suit up.

[LA_Showtime]

Heat of the moment type of thing. Irving wouldn't have been able to sit out the NBA Finals without tossing and turning at night. At least he can say he gave it all. Complete non-issue.

[IGOTGAME]

No, I think you were right in the other thread. Kyrie probably felt like there was something wrong. They couldn't find it. They should have trusted Kyrie.

this is very common with athletes. Many times medical staffs can't find the issue and they never trust the player. Then the team shames the player into playing and hurting himself.

Team should have a policy not release the finding from the team's doctors and not to let other players comment on other player's status.

[IGOTGAME]

He sat for basically the entire Atlanta series. What more could they (training staff) have done?

Ultimately it was Kyrie's decision to suit up.

not said that he couldn't do anymore damage when that wasn't true? Just say we don't understand what is happening with your knee.

[RoseCity07]

There was no way to avoid this. If he doesn't get hurt no one says a damn thing.

If he went out there and got hurt in 2 minutes then I'd say they have a complaint.

[RedBlackAttack]

this is very common with athletes. Many times medical staffs can't find the issue and they never trust the player. Then the team shames the player into playing and hurting himself.

Team should have a policy not release the finding from the team's doctors and not to let other players comment on other player's status.
I don't think he was "shamed" into playing, necessarily, though I do think other players and fans are always in a hurry to push someone onto the floor. I think Kyrie has been waiting for the other shoe to drop from the doctors since he originally hurt the knee early in the Chicago series. He never got it, and I think that surprised him.

But, they told him he was good to go, so there's no way he was going to hold himself out under those circumstances, regardless of what other players/fans were saying.


There was no way to avoid this. If he doesn't get hurt no one says a damn thing.

If he went out there and got hurt in 2 minutes then I'd say they have a complaint.

I don't blame the team, but this was a screw-up by doctors, including specialist Dr. James Andrews who was brought in independently specifically because Kyrie wanted to hear from someone else that everything was OK.

It is no coincidence that he had knee "tendinitis" and then all of a sudden the kneecap on the same leg is coincidentally cracked. "Tendinitis" is inflammation of the area around the knee and the tendon which attaches to the kneecap. A fracture small enough would be completely obscured on an MRI by the inflammation.

I have absolutely no doubt that he has been playing with a fractured kneecap since early in the Chicago series and it is just now showing up on imaging because the contact injury with Klay Thompson made it bigger and finally visible.

Tendinitis is the default injury doctors give when they can't find anything else. Now, the mystery of why Kyrie just couldn't get right regardless of how long he sat out is solved. Btw, it is f#cking amazing that he was playing the way he was with this injury. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks and had the biggest defensive play of the game against the Warriors the other night... with a fractured kneecap.

I think any questions about his toughness can officially be tossed out the window.

[RoseCity07]

I don't think he was "shamed" into playing, necessarily, though I do think other players and fans are always in a hurry to push someone onto the floor. I think Kyrie has been waiting for the other shoe to drop from the doctors since he originally hurt the knee early in the Chicago series. He never got it, and I think that surprised him.

But, they told him he was good to go, so there's no way he was going to hold himself out under those circumstances, regardless of what other players/fans were saying.



I don't blame the team, but this was a screw-up by doctors, including specialist Dr. James Andrews who was brought in independently specifically because Kyrie wanted to hear from someone else that everything was OK.

It is no coincidence that he had knee "tendinitis" and then all of a sudden the kneecap on the same leg is coincidentally cracked. "Tendinitis" is inflammation of the area around the knee and the tendon which attaches to the kneecap. A fracture small enough would be completely obscured on an MRI by the inflammation.

I have absolutely no doubt that he has been playing with a fractured kneecap since early in the Chicago series and it is just now showing up on imaging because the contact injury with Klay Thompson made it bigger and finally visible.

Tendinitis is the default injury doctors give when they can't find anything else. Now, the mystery of why Kyrie just couldn't get right regardless of how long he sat out is solved. Btw, it is f#cking amazing that he was playing the way he was with this injury. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks and had the biggest defensive play of the game against the Warriors the other night... with a fractured kneecap.

I think any questions about his toughness can officially be tossed out the window.

I've read up quite a bit on knee injures following what happened to Greg Oden. His knee cap snapped in half in the middle of a game from jumping. The tendon was inflamed but I don't think that caused he knee cap to break. I'd like to hear if those two are related. This looks like a contact injury. Thompson hit his knee directly into Kyrie's knee.

[RedBlackAttack]

I've read up quite a bit on knee injures following what happened to Greg Oden. His knee cap snapped in half in the middle of a game from jumping. The tendon was inflamed but I don't think that caused he knee cap to break. I'd like to hear if those two are related. This looks like a contact injury. Thompson hit his knee directly into Kyrie's knee.
There's no doubt that this is a contact injury. You can see it clearly on certain replays.

Also, Oden's kneecap snapping had accompanying cartilage damage which was actually the bigger issue and why it still lingers today. Kyrie has no tendon or cartilage damage. It is the same injury that Blake Griffin had in his rookie year.

Kyrie's kneecap fractured in the Chicago series. It's just that Klay directly hitting it finally made it visible through the inflammation on an MRI. The Cavs and Andrews won't say that since they specifically told him there was no structural damage, but anyone with a brain can look at this situation and see that is what happened.

Modern medicine isn't perfect.

There's a reason that the "knee tendinitis" wasn't healing, despite doctors saying it would get better with rest... because that is not what the problem was. And, Kyrie knew something more was wrong... the doctors just couldn't find it. I mean, people were questioning his "pain threshold"... dude was playing on a fractured kneecap. :facepalm