If Lebron averages 40, and takes this to 7 does he win FMVP?

[VengefulAngel]

What do you think?

GSW win game 7 at home, does it depend on how he plays in game 7 or does it not matter?

[JohnFreeman]

Doesn't matter, FMVP goes too winning side

[VengefulAngel]

Doesn't matter, FMVP goes too winning side

Is that a new rule? :eek: :no:

[SouBeachTalents]

Is that a new rule? :eek: :no:

Lol, it only hasn't happened since 1969, the first year they handed it out. Question is, can anyone name a Finals where someone from the losing team truly did deserve it?

[Fudge]

Lol, it only hasn't happened since 1969, the first year they handed it out. Question is, can anyone name a Finals where someone from the losing team truly did deserve it?
Last year.

[scandisk_]

Lol, it only hasn't happened since 1969, the first year they handed it out. Question is, can anyone name a Finals where someone from the losing team truly did deserve it?

They're going to call it The Jerry West NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award.

[BlakFrankWhite]

1.If Lebron averages 40?

Ans:He won't.

2.If LeBron takes this to 7 games?

Ans:He won't.

[VengefulAngel]

1.If Lebron averages 40?

Ans:He won't.

2.If LeBron takes this to 7 games?

Ans:He won't.

I know it's an absurd hypothetical, but if all of those things do happen, what will be the narrative?

On this board it will be 2/6 regardless of how Lebron plays, but amongst rational basketball fans, i'm not sure.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

lol @ Bran stans creating hypothetical to give em an ounce of false hope
2/6 is coming

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol @ Bran stans creating hypothetical to give em an ounce of false hope
2/6 is coming
Like who?

You think OP is a lebron fan?

[VengefulAngel]

lol @ Bran stans creating hypothetical to give em an ounce of false hope
2/6 is coming

I'm not a bran stan at all. Check my last 5 threads on Lebron lol.

I'm just not an idiot, I realise how great Lebron is, and am comfortable enough to offer him the respect he deserves.

[ImKobe]

empty stats MVP

[Genaro]

And then they will change the award name from Bill Russell to Kevin Love.

[SexSymbol]

Obviously no. You're not so valuable if you can't win.

[VengefulAngel]

Some of you trolls are so bad. Have some creativity, if the joke has already been mentioned, I don't think ill laugh if it's mentioned in a slightly different way.

[hahaitme]

lol @ Bran stans creating hypothetical to give em an ounce of false hope
2/6 is coming

Yea the dude with the Celtics avatar is a Bran stan.

:roll:

[StephHamann]

2/6 chance of that happening

[Eric Cartman]

Curry will average like 35, so it's a moot point.

[Psileas]

Completely speculative. The F.MVP depends on the votes of a low numbered panel of people (usually 7-11), and it's hard to predict what could happen in a somewhat extreme case when the voters are few. Shawn Kemp got MVP votes in 1996, in a series when his team lost in 6 and he was probably, but not clearly, statistically, the best player of the series. On the other hand, Moses Malone in '81 didn't receive any love, despite his Rockets being (at least in theory) even less favored than the Sonics, losing also in 6 and with him being way more dominant than the MVP Maxwell (with Bird also having being snubbed).
I guess the voters almost always go with the safe route of voting for a winning player, despite how close a series might end up.

PS. I would have loved to learn how the voting of the '74 Finals went. If Kareem didn't receive a good amount of votes (at least 30%), it would strengthen my point.

[coin24]

Nah I think he will still just get a participation award. Better luck next year, 2/6:cheers:

[jayfan]

No chance.




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[Rose'sACL]

If he averages 40 ppg while taking the series to 7 games the I am willing to avatar bet that he will get fmvp unless a warrior averages 30+ ppg.

[LAZERUSS]

Completely speculative. The F.MVP depends on the votes of a low numbered panel of people (usually 7-11), and it's hard to predict what could happen in a somewhat extreme case when the voters are few. Shawn Kemp got MVP votes in 1996, in a series when his team lost in 6 and he was probably, but not clearly, statistically, the best player of the series. On the other hand, Moses Malone in '81 didn't receive any love, despite his Rockets being (at least in theory) even less favored than the Sonics, losing also in 6 and with him being way more dominant than the MVP Maxwell (with Bird also having being snubbed).
I guess the voters almost always go with the safe route of voting for a winning player, despite how close a series might end up.

PS. I would have loved to learn how the voting of the '74 Finals went. If Kareem didn't receive a good amount of votes (at least 30%), it would strengthen my point.

This would make a good topic.

Players that actually deserved the FMVP, regardless of winning or losing.

Kareem in '74, Wilt in '70, Magic in '88, etc.

[VengefulAngel]

This would make a good topic.

Players that actually deserved the FMVP, regardless of winning or losing.

Kareem in '74, Wilt in '70, Magic in '88, etc.

I was hoping to spark a debate like this, but instead got a bunch of stupid troll posts.

[LAZERUSS]

I was hoping to spark a debate like this, but instead got a bunch of stupid troll posts.

Well, IMHO, if Lebron were to play the same way as he did in game one for the entire series, and somehow got this team (what's left of it) to even a game six, I would consider it FMVP-worthy. Unless a Warrior REALLY stepped up...unlike game one in which it was a team effort.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, the best player in last year's Finals was clearly Lebron. Granted, it would be difficult to win a FMVP when your team is beaten 4-1, and routed in every loss.

[iamgine]

If he averages 40 he might. The losing team's player practically never gets it but no one had ever averaged 40.

[LAZERUSS]

If he averages 40 he might. The losing team's player practically never gets it but no one had ever averaged 40.

At least when there was voting for the award.

Baylor and Barry accomplished that feat. Barry would not have received a single vote in the '67 Finals, had the award existed, though. Baylor's case would have been interesting. His team lost a game seven in OT, in a series in which he averaged 40.6 ppg and 17.9 rpg.

[VengefulAngel]

BTW, the best player in last year's Finals was clearly Lebron. Granted, it would be difficult to win a FMVP when your team is beaten 4-1, and routed in every loss.

Precisely which is why I put the caveat of making it an actual series which was competitive.

Looking back at the finals over the last 60 years.

The 1959 Minneapolis Lakers lost to the Celtics in the Finals - Elgin Baylor lost in the Finals.

In 1960 St. Louis lost to Boston - Bob Pettit lost in the Finals.

In 1961 St. Louis lost to Boston - Bob Pettit and Lenny Wilkens lost in the Finals.

In 1962 Baylor and West lost again to Boston

In 1963 Baylor and West lost again to Boston.

In 1964 Wilt Chamberlain and Nate Thurmond (SF Warriors) both lost to Boston.

In 1965 Baylor and Don Nelson and Jerry West lost to Boston.

In 1966 Baylor, West and Gail Goodrich lost to Boston.

In 1967 Rick Barry and Nate Thurmond (SF Warriors) lost to Philadelphia 76ers in the Finals.

In 1968 Baylor, West and Goodrich lost to Boston.

Doug Pensinger/Getty Images
In 1969 Baylor, Chamberlain and West lost to Boston.

In 1970 Baylor, Chamberlain and West lost to the Knicks.

In 1971 Earl Monroe and Wes Unseld (Baltimore Bullets) lost to Milwaukee.

In 1972 Dave DeBusschere, Walt Frazier, Phil Jackson, Jerry Lucas, Earl Monroe and Willis Reed (NY) lost to LA.

In 1973 Chamberlain, Goodrich, Pat Riley and Jerry West lost to NY.

In 1974 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Oscar Robertson (Milw) lost to Boston.

In 1975 Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld (Washington Bullets) lost to Golden State.

In 1977 Joe Jellybean Bryant (losing in Finals runs in family), Darryl Dawkins, Dr. J Erving, World B Free and George McGinnis (Phi) lost to Portland in the Finals.

In 1979 Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld (Wash) lost to Seattle in the Finals.

In 1980 Mo Cheeks, Darryl Dawkins, Andrew Toney and DR. J (Phi) lost in the Finals vs LA.

In 1981Moses Malone and Calvin Murphy (Hou) lost in the Finals to Boston.

In 1982 Mo Cheeks, Darryl Dawkins, Dr. J, Andrew Toney and Bobby Jones (Phi) lost in the Finals to LA.

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In 1983 Jabbar, Magic, McAdoo, Byron Scott, Jamaal Wilkes and James Worthy lost in the Finals to Phi.

In 1984 Jabbar, Magic, McAdoo, Byron Scott, Wilkes and Worthy lost in the Finals vs Bost.

In 1985 Bird, McHale and Parish lost in the Finals vs LA.

In 1986 Olajuwon and Sampson (Hou) lost in the Finals vs Boston.

In 1987 Bird, McHale and Parish lost to LA in the Finals.

In 1988 Adrian Dantley, Dumars, Rodman and Isiah Thomas (Det.) lost in the Finals to LA>

In 1989 Jabbar, Magic, Scott and Worthy lost in the Finals to Detroit.

In 1990 Clyde Drexler and Drazen Petrovic (Port) lost to the Pistons.

In 1991 Magic, Worthy and Scott lost to the Bulls.

In 1992 Drexler (Port) lost to Chicago.

In 1993 Barkley and Kevin Johnson (Phoenix) lost to Chicago in the Finals.

In 1994 Patrick Ewing (NY) lost in the Finals to Houston.

In 1995 Shaq and Penny lost in the Finals vs Houston.

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In 1996 Kemp and Payton (Sea) lost to Chicago.

In 1997 Malone and Stockton (Utah) lost to Chicago.

In 1998 Malone and Stockton (Utah) lost to Chicago.

In 1999 Ewing (NY) lost to SA.

In 2000 Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin (Ind) lost to LA.

In 2001 Iverson and Mutombo (Phi) lost to LA.

In 2002 Kidd (NJ) lost to LA.

In 2003 Kidd and Mutombo (NJ) lost to SA.

In 2004 Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Karl Malone and Gary Payton lost to Detroit.

In 2005 Billups and the Wallaces (Det) lost to SA.

In 2006 Nowitzki and Stackhouse (Dall) lost to Miami.

In 2007 Lebron and Cleveland lost to SA.

In 2008 Kobe Bryant and Gasol lost to Boston.

In 2009 Dwight Howard (Orl) lost to LA.

In 2010 Allen, Pierce, Rondo and KG lost to LA.

In 2011 Lebron, Wade, Bosh lost to Dallas

In 2012 Kevin Durant lost to Miami

In 2013 Duncan lost to Miami

In 2014 Lebron lost to SA

Now we can highlight player's who may have been the best player in the series.

[LikeABosh]

1.If Lebron averages 40?

Ans:He won't.

2.If LeBron takes this to 7 games?

Ans:He won't.
You're right. 41 ppg. Lebron in 6.

[Optimus Prime]

If Kobe comes back and averages 40 in his 20th season, is he the GOAT?

That's more likely to happen than this series going to 7. Clean sweep unless refs rig a game to prevent LeBeta from being completely embarrassed yet again.

:kobe:

[coin24]

BTW, the best player in last year's Finals was clearly Lebron. Granted, it would be difficult to win a FMVP when your team is beaten 4-1, and routed in every loss.


Bullshit. Bran scored his points against the Spurs bench when they were already being blown out.. He was clearly not the best player and his team got there shit pushed in..

He's a bit like wilt it seems, career loser in the finals

[LAZERUSS]

Bullshit. Bran scored his points against the Spurs bench when they were already being blown out.. He was clearly not the best player and his team got there shit pushed in..

He's a bit like wilt it seems, career loser in the finals

Like the 3rd quarter in game three against the Spurs starters, when he was outscored by an entire team, 24-19.

Yep...Lebron's fault. He scores 19 points, on 7-8 shooting, and his team actually loses ground.

As for Wilt. You obviously never saw one second of his career.

[coin24]

Like the 3rd quarter in game three against the Spurs starters, when he was outscored by an entire team, 24-19.

Yep...Lebron's fault. He scores 19 points, on 7-8 shooting, and his team actually loses ground.

As for Wilt. You obviously never saw one second of his career.


Where was he in the first half? That's right, no show. Go rewatch the series, bran was a non factor

[Rose'sACL]

Where was he in the first half? That's right, no show. Go rewatch the series, bran was a non factor
He scored very few points in the garbage time. ISH keeps making up stuff as it pleases them when it comes to lebron. Lebron didn't even play in most of the garbage time in 2014 finals.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He scored very few points in the garbage time. ISH keeps making up stuff as it pleases them when it comes to lebron. Lebron didn't even play in most of the garbage time in 2014 finals.

there's a graph out there that's been posted on ISH that shows most of Lebron's points came when the Heat were already down 15+

[LAZERUSS]

there's a graph out there that's been posted on ISH that shows most of Lebron's points came when the Heat were already down 15+

Take Lebron away from that Heat team...and guess what you get...

a 37-45 team that doesn't make the playoffs.

GTFO.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Take Lebron away from that Heat team...and guess what you get...

a 37-45 team that doesn't make the playoffs.

GTFO.

oh so Bosh missed 40 games last year??

and what does that have to do with how Lebron was scoring primarily when the game was already decided??

way to change the topic since you had nothing relevant to say

[Rose'sACL]

oh so Bosh missed 40 games last year??

and what does that have to do with how Lebron was scoring primarily when the game was already decided??

way to change the topic since you had nothing relevant to say
The bold part didn't happen. A finals game is only over if you're down 20+ at least with 6 mins to go in the 4th.

[KungFuJoe]

Not with the way Curry is playing. He hit so many big shots late in the game. He almost win the game if not for Kyrie's amazing block...but then he turned up big in OT as well.

[Rose'sACL]

there's a graph out there that's been posted on ISH that shows most of Lebron's points came when the Heat were already down 15+
Down 15+ isn't garbage time. Heat were down 15+ for a lot of time in the last 3 games. Should lebron not have scored at all?
Being down 15+ in last 4 mins can be considered garbage time. Post me points scored by lebron in last 6 mins of game 3,4 and 5 to prove your point.

[LAZERUSS]

The bold part didn't happen. A finals game is only over if you're down 20+ at least with 6 mins to go in the 4th.

Agreed 100%.

There is this "myth" out there that Russell either "let" Wilt score his points early, and then shut him down when it counted (which has been blown to bits), OR, that he shut Wilt down in the first half, and "let" him score when the games were decided.

Here are a couple of quick examples...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196001290PHW.html

and how about this one...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

Down by 20 points entering the 4th quarter.

Wilt would have numerous games against Russell in which he engineered comebacks, even in close losses.

[coin24]

Agreed 100%.

There is this "myth" out there that Russell either "let" Wilt score his points early, and then shut him down when it counted (which has been blown to bits), OR, that he shut Wilt down in the first half, and "let" him score when the games were decided.

Here are a couple of quick examples...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196001290PHW.html

and how about this one...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

Down by 20 points entering the 4th quarter.

Wilt would have numerous games against Russell in which he engineered comebacks, even in close losses.


Not a myth. Wilt routinely got his shit pushed in. On the court and in bed:oldlol: