Rank the following states as best to live in: CA, FL, NY, PA, IL, TX?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Tell me whatsup.

[Bigsmoke]

for some reason, I think Illinois is the best state.

[falc39]

CA

[NBAplayoffs2001]

CA- This state is gonna be nearly dry of water and deprived of vegetation in the near future.
FL- Tourist magnet, traffic will be an issue during the Spring and Summer.
NY- Busy all year, every year; horrible winter weather.
PA- Nothing truly special
IL- Sports state; high crime rate
TX- Sports state.

Ranked based on where I'd enjoy living:

1. FL
2. TX
3. IL
4. PA
5. NY
6. CA

TX is a huge sports state. Some of their high school football stadiums are bigger than college football stadiums.

NY winters are brutal especially if you're upstate.

Also I think Chicago high school basketball is on a whole other level than what NYC basketball used to be. Producing ton of NBA talent from the Windy City.

[fsvr54]

Depends completely on what part of the state,

[rezznor]

Depends on income level. If money is no object, then California. If you want to be practical and get the most for your money but still live well then Texas
.

[BigNBAfan]

Been to all of them an dont live in any... so im fairly unbiased but the NW is the best. my vote goes to Oregon.

[L.Kizzle]

Everything is bigger in Texas.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Ask this question 25 years ago it would have been California, end of story, drop the fvckin mic and walk away. California's awesome weather cannot overcome it's other problems now. It's a crappy run state and the majority of it's residents are morons.

Like rezznor said, if you have the money to insulate you from the high taxes, cost of living, and the gangs, it's still a great place to live.

For me

1. TX
2. FL
3. CA
4. PA
5. IL
6. NY

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Personal rank:

1. NY (Greater NYC area)- to me its the diversity of cultures. Even though I don't like how NYC has become a lot more gentrified, it's nice to know 90% of the city is completely safe to walk through at night.
2. CA (Bay area)
3. IL (Chicago)
4. TX (Houston, Dallas, or Austin- some childhood friends moved here before high school started. They loved it there and its a ton cheaper). Sports also HUGE in Texas as it is in California.
5. PA (Philly is a nice city, some nice small towns scattered around PA too)
6. FL (Been to Orlando, not a fan. Way too hot)

[Bigsmoke]

Aren't New York and Cali the most corrupt and expensive states in the US?

Chicago's crime isnt what people think it is. Oakland is just as bad if not worse. N*ggaz listen to Chief Keef and thinking Chicago is some warzone even tho its just the south side and westside that really gets down like tha and there are good areas in the southside " Beverly, Hyde Park,ect"

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Aren't New York and Cali the most corrupt and expensive states in the US?

Chicago's crime is overlooked. Oakland is just as bad if not worst. N*ggaz listen to Chief Keef and thinking Chicago is some warzone even tho its just the south side and westside that really gets down like tha and there are good areas in the southside " Beverly, Hyde Park,ect"

Yeah Chicago crime ain't that bad. Philly is technically worse.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Ask this question 25 years ago it would have been California, end of story, drop the fvckin mic and walk away. California's awesome weather cannot overcome it's other problems now. It's a crappy run state and the majority of it's residents are morons.

Like rezznor said, if you have the money to insulate you from the high taxes, cost of living, and the gangs, it's still a great place to live.

For me

1. TX
2. FL
3. CA
4. PA
5. IL
6. NY

https://freshisback.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/collegegradsbystate.jpg

Lol @ people bashing California because it's expensive. No shit, it's an insanely desirable place to live. It's popular despite being expensive; Texas otoh is desirable because it's cheap.

[DCL]

answer depends on if you can afford $4,000 rent

[masonanddixon]

California if you have $$$$$$$ or wealthy parents

[Graviton]

I recently found out a pack of cigs in New York costs 16 dollars, how the **** is that acceptable? Whats wrong with that city?

[masonanddixon]

I recently found out a pack of cigs in New York costs 16 dollars, how the **** is that acceptable? Whats wrong with that city?

Liberals, brother, liberals.

[HitandRun Reggie]

https://freshisback.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/collegegradsbystate.jpg

Lol @ people bashing California because it's expensive. No shit, it's an insanely desirable place to live. It's popular despite being expensive; Texas otoh is desirable because it's cheap.

Now post HS graduation rates. California is at the bottom half for high school drop outs. But having an education doesn't always translate into people using their brains. Look at the politicians California elects. Notice that despite California having a more bachelor degrees than say Texas, they have almost 2.5 times as many foreclosures in 2014 when home prices are rising and they are ranked in the middle for bankruptcies while Texas one of the 5 states with the least amount of bankruptcies per capita. Then look at the health of state economies. Texas is in the top 10, California is at the bottom 10.

http://www.valuepenguin.com/bankruptcy-filings-state
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/foreclosuresunemploymentfood-stamps/

[Bigsmoke]

I recently found out a pack of cigs in New York costs 16 dollars, how the **** is that acceptable? Whats wrong with that city?

Illinois has the second highest cigarette prices. a pack of Newports is half price in Indiana.


http://www.theawl.com/2014/08/how-much-a-pack-of-cigarettes-costs-state-by-state
But don't smoke that shit anyway.

[Dresta]

https://freshisback.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/collegegradsbystate.jpg

Lol @ people bashing California because it's expensive. No shit, it's an insanely desirable place to live. It's popular despite being expensive; Texas otoh is desirable because it's cheap.
I think you just improved his point with that one: having a higher proportion of people graduating University (especially undergrad, i mean, a chimp could probably pass such sub-standard nonsense), doesn't mean a state has more intelligent people, it just means it has a lot more people who think they are intelligent (and who are often conceited as a result). The fact you think this is so, shows you're perfectly suited for California livin, and will fit right in with many of its pestiferous inhabitants.

California has the best climate and an amazing landscape, but it's also jam-packed with douchey morons like yourself, and has been terribly run for decades for that very reason. I like visiting there for a few days, but actually living there, unless I was living in seclusion, would be a complete nightmare.

In a sensible system, you wouldn't have more than 10-15% of the population going to University anyway. But that'd put hundreds of god-awful universities out of operation, and who wants that (lost jobs - noooooooooo!)? I have acquaintances from various backgrounds, and you'd be amazed how much more grounded and driven and independent (more intelligent in many ways too) they are than even your average MA student, 80% of whom weren't even worth having a drink with (unless you like listening to platitudinous banalities and hearing women prattle on about their part-time jobs, the difficulty juggling work and study, etc.). On average, give me someone who's never been to university than someone who has (at least among the younger than 35 demographic).

For me:

Texas
Florida
Illinois
California (just because of its amazing climate and beautiful geography)
New York (god-awful climate, and a hideously expensive cost of living, helped along by that micro-managing piece of human scum, Michael Bloomberg )

[ALBballer]

I have never been to TX and have only passed through PA.

My rankings:

1) CA- Yes COL is high in places like SF and LA and income taxes are high if you are making $250k+ but cigarette tax and property tax aren't that bad. The climate and the geography are some of the best in the US (California encompasses Mediterranean weather to desert to snow) although the water is cold. Liberal left leaning state which is more bad then good. CA also has great places to visit which are nearby. If you are in Los Angeles you are a 4 hour drive to Vegas. If you are in SF you can take a quick 1 hour flight to places like Portland and Seattle or drive to Nappa or Lake tahoe. If you are in SD you can drive to Tijuana.

2) FL- Great beaches, cheap COL, no state income tax. Cool cities like Miami to visit. However the humidity and the weather can be too extreme in the summer and you have to deal with the hurricanes in September.

3 or 4) IL/NY. I consider them a tie. NYC area are has milder winters compared to Chicagoland area. Chicago is much more affordable than NYC and is cleaner and has more interesting architect. NYC is much more expensive and is a global city. Depends on your income, if you can afford NYC then it's probably better place to live. Both places have high property tax and IL has a lower income tax. Also the Midwest is lacking on places to visit and is more of an outdoors area type. 5-7 hour car ride in Chicago takes you to cities like Minneapolis and St Louis. In NYC a 5-7 car ride takes you to cities Boston, DC, Philly, etc.

Texas seems like an interesting place and I would like to visit places like Austin and Dallas. Cheap COL (although I heard Austin is starting to become pricey), no state income tax. Weather in the summer can be brutal from what I hear. Also texas is located almost directly in the middle of the US and is 4-5 hour flight to any place in the United States. Same can be said for Illinois.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think you just improved his point with that one: having a higher proportion of people graduating University (especially undergrad, i mean, a chimp could probably pass such sub-standard nonsense), doesn't mean a state has more intelligent people, it just means it has a lot more people who think they are intelligent (and who are often conceited as a result). The fact you think this is so, shows you're perfectly suited for California livin, and will fit right in with many of its pestiferous inhabitants.

California has the best climate and an amazing landscape, but it's also jam-packed with douchey morons like yourself, and has been terribly run for decades for that very reason. I like visiting there for a few days, but actually living there, unless I was living in seclusion, would be a complete nightmare.

In a sensible system, you wouldn't have more than 10-15% of the population going to University anyway. But that'd put hundreds of god-awful universities out of operation, and who wants that (lost jobs - noooooooooo!)? I have acquaintances from various backgrounds, and you'd be amazed how much more grounded and driven and independent (more intelligent in many ways too) they are than even your average MA student, 80% of whom weren't even worth having a drink with (unless you like listening to platitudinous banalities and hearing women prattle on about their part-time jobs, the difficulty juggling work and study, etc.). On average, give me someone who's never been to university than someone who has (at least among the younger than 35 demographic).

For me:

Texas
Florida
Illinois
California (just because of its amazing climate and beautiful geography)
New York (god-awful climate, and a hideously expensive cost of living, helped along by that micro-managing piece of human scum, Michael Bloomberg )

Thanks for the excuses AND the laughs, douchebag.

A less educated populous is ideal? Because that's worked out so well for the Deep South, hasn't it? GTFO. Mississippi and Kentucky are still waiting for cotton to make a huge comeback so they can have something that resembles an economy again, and you want fewer educated Americans around :facepalm. Spoken like a true shill for the 1%.

California just passed Brazil as the 7th largest economy on Earth. Whatever issues the state has, it sure as hell doesn't need advice from the red states--California (particularly the southern half) needs a larger educated populous, not smaller. 32% of the Los Angeles MSA workforce is college educated, for example. For good economic balance, it should be around 37-38%.

[warriorfan]

california stays winning

[BasedTom]

I have never been to TX and have only passed through PA.

My rankings:

1) CA- Yes COL is high in places like SF and LA and income taxes are high if you are making $250k+ but cigarette tax and property tax aren't that bad. The climate and the geography are some of the best in the US (California encompasses Mediterranean weather to desert to snow) although the water is cold. Liberal left leaning state which is more bad then good. CA also has great places to visit which are nearby. If you are in Los Angeles you are a 4 hour drive to Vegas. If you are in SF you can take a quick 1 hour flight to places like Portland and Seattle or drive to Nappa or Lake tahoe. If you are in SD you can drive to Tijuana.

2) FL- Great beaches, cheap COL, no state income tax. Cool cities like Miami to visit. However the humidity and the weather can be too extreme in the summer and you have to deal with the hurricanes in September.

3 or 4) IL/NY. I consider them a tie. NYC area are has milder winters compared to Chicagoland area. Chicago is much more affordable than NYC and is cleaner and has more interesting architect. NYC is much more expensive and is a global city. Depends on your income, if you can afford NYC then it's probably better place to live. Both places have high property tax and IL has a lower income tax. Also the Midwest is lacking on places to visit and is more of an outdoors area type. 5-7 hour car ride in Chicago takes you to cities like Minneapolis and St Louis. In NYC a 5-7 car ride takes you to cities Boston, DC, Philly, etc.

Texas seems like an interesting place and I would like to visit places like Austin and Dallas. Cheap COL (although I heard Austin is starting to become pricey), no state income tax. Weather in the summer can be brutal from what I hear. Also texas is located almost directly in the middle of the US and is 4-5 hour flight to any place in the United States. Same can be said for Illinois.
I just want to point out that our last hurricane was in 2005, and even then I don't ever remember it being something to really freak out about. You get multiple weeks of preparation, as they don't just pop out of nowhere.

But you are correct that the humidity can be miserable.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I agree if you are loaded out of your mind, CA sounds so nice.

Bay Area is awesome.

I went to LA as a little kid in 1996. I have friends who grew up outside it. Seems like a huge suburb honestly. Most people I've met from LA are very outgoing though.

[ALBballer]

I just want to point out that our last hurricane was in 2005, and even then I don't ever remember it being something to really freak out about. You get multiple weeks of preparation, as they don't just pop out of nowhere.

But you are correct that the humidity can be miserable.

Fair enough. I thought it was more frequent tbh lol.

[NumberSix]

Thanks for the excuses AND the laughs, douchebag.

A less educated populous is ideal? Because that's worked out so well for the Deep South, hasn't it? GTFO. Mississippi and Kentucky are still waiting for cotton to make a huge comeback so they can have something that resembles an economy again, and you want fewer educated Americans around :facepalm. Spoken like a true shill for the 1%.

California just passed Brazil as the 7th largest economy on Earth. Whatever issues the state has, it sure as hell doesn't need advice from the red states--California (particularly the southern half) needs a larger educated populous, not smaller. 32% of the Los Angeles MSA workforce is college educated, for example. For good economic balance, it should be around 37-38%.
Possessing a college degree =/= being educated.

Half these people form states like California are wasting their money getting worthless degrees in things like women's studies, liberal arts, African American studies and other nonsense.

[oarabbus]

CA

[ThePhantomCreep]

Possessing a college degree =/= being educated.

Half these people form states like California are wasting their money getting worthless degrees in things like women's studies, liberal arts, African American studies and other nonsense.

It's hilarious how anti-education conservatives are. Is it because an educated commoner is far less likely to vote Republican? Probably.

Scoff at liberal arts degrees all you want, their starting salaries are in the 40k range, significantly higher than the median income of a HS graduate.

Either way, California is a powerhouse in the hard sciences too. Stanford, Cal Tech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, etc, these schools are churning the finest minds in tech, engineering, science, medicine, you name it. California gave us the space shuttle, the Internet, and the first heart transplant. Our state lords over all others in innovation.

[KevinNYC]

answer depends on if you can afford $4,000 rent
The original post is s a terrible question because you live in a particular area of a state,

If you asked me I would prefer to live in San Franciso, CA or Waco, Texas, San Francisco wins hands down.

If you asked me if I would prefer to live in Austin, Texas or Fresno, CA, then Texas wins hands down.

and the idea of 4,000 rent being the average throughout a whole state is ridiculous. I can assure you that you can live in new york city and not pay $4,000 rent. I've never paid close to that amount.

[Bigsmoke]

The original post is s a terrible question because you live in a particular area of a state,

If you asked me I would prefer to live in San Franciso, CA or Waco, Texas, San Francisco wins hands down.

If you asked me if I would prefer to live in Austin, Texas or Fresno, CA, then Texas wins hands down.

and the idea of 4,000 rent being the average throughout a whole state is ridiculous. I can assure you that you can live in new york city and not pay $4,000 rent. I've never paid close to that amount.

4k a month only in the Bay really.



Manhattan New York is the most expensive place on this country actually.

[ALBballer]

4k a month only in the Bay really.



Manhattan New York is the most expensive place on this country actually.

Supply and demand bruh.

New York is a huge state and there are affordable places in Upstate New York and even Long Island. Same with California.

Manhatten is located on a small island and San Fran is on a peninsula and the amount of housing is limited due to the limited size. These respective cities do not even make up 1% of the land mass of their respective states.

[HitandRun Reggie]

4k a month only in the Bay really.



Manhattan New York is the most expensive place on this country actually.

If you go by the city, and not specific boroughs or areas of the city, San Francisco is the most expensive. But if you went by rent per sq/ft, it would probably be NY. The average city worker salary in San Francisco is close to $100k and they can't even think of raising a family in the city unless they already own property, or they have a spouse who makes very good money as well.

[KingBeasley08]

https://freshisback.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/collegegradsbystate.jpg

Lol @ people bashing California because it's expensive. No shit, it's an insanely desirable place to live. It's popular despite being expensive; Texas otoh is desirable because it's cheap.
Maryland- rich as fck and smart as fck :bowdown:

To answer the question doe:

1. Texas
2. Cali
3. Florida
4. Illinois
5. New York
5. Pennsylvania (go to school here now, it's pretty meh)

[Draz]

I like being able to walk down the block and buy groceries and shit. But in some areas here in NY you gotta use a car or some sort of transportation. My mom loves peace and quiet but I'm the opposite. I need to see people around me.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

If you go by the city, and not specific boroughs or areas of the city, San Francisco is the most expensive. But if you went by rent per sq/ft, it would probably be NY. The average city worker salary in San Francisco is close to $100k and they can't even think of raising a family in the city unless they already own property, or they have a spouse who makes very good money as well.

Agreed, you can live comfortably in every borough not named Manhattan.

[pauk]

Dunno but Washington is #1 for me, loved it there, but then again its the only place i ever visited in US (Seattle & thereabouts).... but it has to be #1 for me, because everything i want is there, the city life, low rate of crime and great education and so on., but it is surrounded with the epic wilderness/scenery/rivers and remote ones at that, we went to a place called Skykomish where we rafted, we went for a spin with some hired carbon racer bikes, then we "mountaneered" to a completely remote place with a glass clear river and heaved up Trout & Salmon Fly Fishing on the Dry... place is amazing, cant wait to get back there. (cousin lives tere, Seattle area).

Montana seems like my type of place aswell, maybe to much wilderness/wildlife though.

Am not to much of a city life guy, well, not 24-7.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Dunno but Washington is #1 for me, loved it there, but then again its the only place i ever visited in US (Seattle & thereabouts).... but it has to be #1 for me, because everything i want is there, the city life, low rate of crime and great education and so on., but it is surrounded with the epic wilderness/scenery/rivers and remote ones at that, we went to a place called Skykomish where we rafted, we went for a spin with some hired carbon racer bikes, then we "mountaneered" to a completely remote place with a glass clear river and heaved up Trout & Salmon Fly Fishing on the Dry... place is amazing, cant wait to get back there. (cousin lives tere, Seattle area).

Montana seems like my type of place aswell.

Am not to much of a city life guy, well, not 24-7.

Seattle is quite underrated. I know a few people from there and they love it there.

[DeuceWallaces]

No real answer to this question. It will be very specific to each person and their living situation. I've lived all over the eastern US the past 10 years and have been pleasantly surprised or disappointed in ways that I would not have been able to predict before moving.

[pauk]

Seattle is quite underrated. I know a few people from there and they love it there.

It seemed perfect for me.... if it wasnt just for being robbed of a NBA team, get the Sonics back.. :mad:

[jstern]

It's not one of the States in the title, but North Dakota. And it's not even the best Dakota. https://youtu.be/3wfF-J9-l4s?t=20

[hateraid]

PA all day. Culture and history.

[pauk]

It's not one of the States in the title, but North Dakota. And it's not even the best Dakota. https://youtu.be/3wfF-J9-l4s?t=20

:lol

[BlazerRed]

CA.

Rest doesn't matter because they are East or South scum.

[NumberSix]

It's hilarious how anti-education conservatives are. Is it because an educated commoner is far less likely to vote Republican? Probably.

Scoff at liberal arts degrees all you want, their starting salaries are in the 40k range, significantly higher than the median income of a HS graduate.

Either way, California is a powerhouse in the hard sciences too. Stanford, Cal Tech, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, etc, these schools are churning the finest minds in tech, engineering, science, medicine, you name it. California gave us the space shuttle, the Internet, and the first heart transplant. Our state lords over all others in innovation.
1st, I'm not a conservative.

2nd, I'm not remotely anti education. Quite the opposite. Clown courses aren't education.

3rd, the more education someone has, the more likely they are to vote republican. Sorry to break your bubble where you think all the smart people are democrats. Highly educated voters (actual education. Not liberal arts degrees) lean republican. Maybe they just want tax breaks, who knows? But they do.

[KevinNYC]

One issue that NYC is facing is a lot of foreign rich buyers are buying new york apartments not to live in, but for security. Russians and Chinese are buying up tons of Manhattan apartments.


For the first time, the Chinese have become the biggest foreign buyers of apartments in Manhattan, real estate brokers estimate, taking the mantle from the Russians - whose activity has dropped off since the unrest in Ukraine and the imposition of sanctions against Russia by the United States.

Wealthy Chinese are pouring money into real estate in New York and some other major cities around the world, including London and Sydney, as they seek safe havens for their cash and also establish a base for their children to get an education in the West.

Reuters asked five of the top real estate brokerages for their ranking of foreign buyers in New York City. The Chinese ranked first in both volume and value of sales in all their estimates.

It's gotten to the point where buyers who normally would be buying in Manhattan have flooded into Brooklyn.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

One issue that NYC is facing is a lot of foreign rich buyers are buying new york apartments not to live in, but for security. Russians and Chinese are buying up tons of Manhattan apartments.



It's gotten to the point where buyers who normally would be buying in Manhattan have flooded into Brooklyn.

Exactly. Kind of the reason why Brooklyn is arguably becoming the new "hub" to be at in NYC rather than Manhattan.

[ALBballer]

One issue that NYC is facing is a lot of foreign rich buyers are buying new york apartments not to live in, but for security. Russians and Chinese are buying up tons of Manhattan apartments.



It's gotten to the point where buyers who normally would be buying in Manhattan have flooded into Brooklyn.

Same thing is happening in parts of Los Angeles and San Fran.

Foreign buyers are buying US real estate as a means to store their cash offshore. Many countries have laws against non-citizens buying property but United States is not one of them.

I believe Canada (more specifically Vancouver) is also facing this issue.

[ThePhantomCreep]

1st, I'm not a conservative.

2nd, I'm not remotely anti education. Quite the opposite. Clown courses aren't education.

3rd, the more education someone has, the more likely they are to vote republican. Sorry to break your bubble where you think all the smart people are democrats. Highly educated voters (actual education. Not liberal arts degrees) lean republican. Maybe they just want tax breaks, who knows? But they do.Wrong. Obama won the post-graduate vote in 2012 by a substantial 13 points. They overwhelming vote left of center.

Every historian has a history degree (something you consider worthless) but no one but the dumbest of right-wing idiots considers them uneducated. Your attacks on these types of degrees makes you sound like one of them. You look like a duck and quack like a duck, dude. You're a conservative.

Getting back on topic, California >>> every red state.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Wrong. Obama won the post-graduate vote in 2012 by a substantial 13 points. They overwhelming vote left of center.



He also won the high school drop out and criminal vote(for the states that make that legal) by 40 points. He lost the vote of people with bachelor's degrees and every income bracket above $50k a year. The dumb love Obama.

[NumberSix]

Wrong. Obama won the post-graduate vote in 2012 by a substantial 13 points. They overwhelming vote left of center.
So?

Yes, it's true that the majority of people with post graduate degrees vote democrat. However, the majority of college graduates vote republican.

I would guess that the majority of people with bachelors degrees vote democrat, but I don't actually know that. Just a guess. And as I said, the majority of people with higher academic degrees vote republican. Obviously these people work in much higher paying industries, so like I said, maybe they just want to pay lower taxes.


Every historian has a history degree (something you consider worthless) but no one but the dumbest of right-wing idiots considers them uneducated.
You need to read what I actually said. I said the MOST educated people LEAN republican. I didn't say all educated people who vote, vote republican. And I didn't say those who don't are uneducated. A person with a degree in history is educated, but there are people who are even MORE educated. The people with the MOST education lean republican.

[Dresta]

Thanks for the excuses AND the laughs, douchebag.

A less educated populous is ideal? Because that's worked out so well for the Deep South, hasn't it? GTFO. Mississippi and Kentucky are still waiting for cotton to make a huge comeback so they can have something that resembles an economy again, and you want fewer educated Americans around :facepalm. Spoken like a true shill for the 1%.

California just passed Brazil as the 7th largest economy on Earth. Whatever issues the state has, it sure as hell doesn't need advice from the red states--California (particularly the southern half) needs a larger educated populous, not smaller. 32% of the Los Angeles MSA workforce is college educated, for example. For good economic balance, it should be around 37-38%.
:roll:

Damn, i hope you've not paid out for a college education, because you're dense as hell. Just because more people graduate from University does not mean you have a more 'educated' populace; in fact, standards have declined so drastically over the past century (particularly in England, the education system i know best), that any cretin can get a degree and magically become 'educated.' This doesn't produce educated people, it just produces morons who think a degree certificate makes them intelligent and educated :lol. Universities are no longer centres of learning, but an extension of schooling, and of accepting whatever your (frequently mediocre) lecturer has to say

So many occupations that used to train their employees on the job, now instead wait for ctiizens to cough up for large, expensive, undergraduate programs they don't need to do that particular job. All these people would have been far better off being trained and going straight into the labour force: they'd have more money, fewer wasted years, and be further along in their careers (which is what earns people their living, not worthless degree certificates that anyone with even the slightest aptitude could attain)


And i've spent five years in under and postgrad education, so i know how impossible it is to fail (it's difficult even not to pass with good grades - I spent 3 years of my undergrad never going and not caring and i still came away with good enough grades to get a an MA place at LSE). Perhaps i'm a genius, but i think it's much more likely that education standards have fallen so drastically that going to University no longer has anything to do with education and learning, but with getting 3 years of unearned and undeserved independence, and a right to act irresponsibly off the taxes of people who actually work for a living.

37-8% is ideal? :roll: - your stupidity is unfathomable. What would be ideal would be if 75+% of the courses were wiped from most uni curriculums (because they are worthless), and they returned to doing their jobs rather than just being money-makers. And the job of universities is to educate an elite in the best that has ever been written, thought and said, and to undertaking real hard scientific research; they are centres of culture and learning, and have currently been debased by the uncaring rabble that infests them, and who are only looking to have a good time at someone else's expense.

For many people college is a corrupting experience. Kids imagine they're independent when they're in reality parasites, living off their parents or the labour of others, and these days most-often doomed to return home with a sense of grievance and no job. They also become used to being in debt – a state that previous generations rightly regarded with horror and fear. Sounds like it's going well! We gettin more of dat edookaschion!

You evidently know nothing about this debate, so no wonder you resort to calling people "shills" and other such nonsense in an effort to hide your glaring ignorance. Sure we're making people more educated :rolleyes: - keep telling yourself that and maybe one day it will come true.

edit: and actually, i studied Economic Development a number of years ago (got a First btw), and it is well known, and has been corroborated by many studies, all over the world, that primary education is by far the most important - getting people to read and write. Once you get into secondary education you hit diminishing returns (suggesting a decent portion of the population should leave education before 18, and spend the extra time acquiring some manual skills), and once you get high percentages (more than 15-20%) of people going to uni, you simply get an inflation of education. Undergrad degrees are worth less now because more people have them - they no longer serve their purpose in distinguishing the educated from uneducated, so everything moves to the next rung: Masters degrees - something i have, and with which it is still difficult to get a decent paying job because of the sheer mass of degree certificate holders. Soon everyone will need a PHD - then what?

Think through the logic of your argument, read a book on economic development, please, for once in your life, don't just think what your feelings tell you should be right.