We can all agree that FMVPs and MVPs are the greatest indicators of player success.

[LikeABosh]

Player a has 2 FMVP, 4 MVP and is 30 years old

Player b has 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP and is 37.

Pretty clear which player will be ranked ahead when it's all said and done.

[KembaWalker]

2/6 incoming.

[Rocketswin2013]

It's a really good balance between team and individual success, yeah.

[1~Gibson~1]

So far counting FMVPs have not mislead us.

It has solved the riddle as to how a player can win 6 or 7 rings and still not be considered one of the GOATs (Robert Horry), and why Michael Jordan himself IS the GOAT :confusedshrug:

[JerrySeinfeld]

Neither of those things matter for shit.

FMVP is voted on by what, a few media members?
MVP is voted on by more media members?

whats the relevance?

[BlakFrankWhite]

Rings / FMVP / MVP's

LeBron's at 2/2/4 which is still great..

[LikeABosh]

Neither of those things matter for shit.

FMVP is voted on by what, a few media members?
MVP is voted on by more media members?

whats the relevance?
I guess your right. If FMVP was voted on by people who knew basketball Gasol would have won it in 10'.

[Magic 32]

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[LikeABosh]

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[HOoopCityJones]

Player a has 2 FMVP, 4 MVP and is 30 years old

Player b has 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP and is 37.

Pretty clear which player will be ranked ahead when it's all said and done.

MDE Shaq only has one MVP and he's better than both. :confusedshrug:

[JerrySeinfeld]

I guess your right. If FMVP was voted on by people who knew basketball Gasol would have won it in 10'.

so you are admitting that it's a pointless and subjective award where as 5-2 > 2-4 can't be argued

[Eric Cartman]

2/6 is hitting letards harder than I realized.

[LikeABosh]

MDE Shaq only has one MVP and he's better than both. :confusedshrug:
he has more FMVPs than both:confusedshrug:

[Bobcats2013]

Only championships matter. Not some award that's given to you.

Championships are won and lost by your own hand.

Player B won 5 championships in 7 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor on all 5.

Player A won 2 championships in 6 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor in all 2.

[Magic 32]

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and somehow Lebron's teammates carried him past Chicago.

[LAZERUSS]

I guess that means that Russell is, BY FAR, the GOAT.

Hell, they named the FMVP award after him for cryingoutloud.

[LikeABosh]

Only championships matter. Not some award that's given to you.

Championships are won and lost by your own hand.

Player B won 5 championships in 7 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor on all 5.

Player A won 2 championships in 6 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor in all 2.
"A+ contributor on all 5" :roll: 15 ppg on 37% shooting in the 2000 finals.

[Bobcats2013]

I guess that means that Russell is, BY FAR, the GOAT.

Hell, they named the FMVP award after him for cryingoutloud.

Alot of people have Bill Russell as their GOAT.

[Magic 32]

Only championships matter. Not some award that's given to you.

Championships are won and lost by your own hand.

Player B won 5 championships in 7 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor on all 5.

Player A won 2 championships in 6 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor in all 2.

To be fair, Lebron was an A+ contributor to the Mavs championship.

[Bobcats2013]

"A+ contributor on all 5" :roll: 15 ppg on 37% shooting in the 2000 finals.

This is your problem, you care too much about stats and don't watch the games.

[Straight_Ballin]

Player a has 2 FMVP, 4 MVP and is 30 years old

Player b has 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP and is 37.

Pretty clear which player will be ranked ahead when it's all said and done.

Player c has 5 MVP and 6 FMVP

Pretty clear which player is ranked ahead considering the fact that with all the advancements since player c retired, player a STILL can't keep up, making player c that much more impressive as GOAT.

[Soundwave]

Regular season MVP is a politicized stat, we all know that.

Steve Nash should not have more MVPs than Shaq or Kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

Only championships matter. Not some award that's given to you.

Championships are won and lost by your own hand.

Player B won 5 championships in 7 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor on all 5.

Player A won 2 championships in 6 finals appearances and was an A+ contributor in all 2.

Shaq was obviously A+ in 2000, no way in hell Kobe was on his level. That's like giving '06 Shaq or '12 Wade, two clear second options an A+ as well.

[Eric Cartman]

What about Dwyane Wade: 1FMVP and 0MVP

Chauncey Billups = Dwyane Wade?

[HOoopCityJones]

Regular season MVP is a politicized stat, we all know that.

Steve Nash should not have more MVPs than Shaq or Kobe.

Still wondering how the NBA will explain that one in 50 years.

[kennethgriffin]

Steve nash > jerry west?

Derrick rose = oscar robertson?

Moses malone > hakeem olajuwon?




I think its more about rings by guys who won mvp than mvps by guys who won a ring


Sorry

[Legends66NBA7]

What about Dwyane Wade: 1FMVP and 0MVP

Chauncey Billups = Dwyane Wade?

Same with Paul Pierce and Kawhi Leonard.

You need the full body of work and context.

[Bobcats2013]

Shaq was obviously A+ in 2000, no way in hell Kobe was on his level. That's like giving '06 Shaq or '12 Wade, two clear second options an A+ as well.

Of course Shaq was the main contributor in 2000 but I can't disregard the fact that Kobe won a game for the Lakers while injured and showed up in the big time moments in the close out game.

He was the second option but a damn great 2nd option even when he was bean the brick.

[Legends66NBA7]

Moses malone > hakeem olajuwon?

That's isn't so outlandish.

[Soundwave]

Still wondering how the NBA will explain that one in 50 years.

We all know MVP is basically the award for the best player on the team with the best regular season record basically.

It's not the "Best Player in the League Award".

[kennethgriffin]

That's isn't so outlandish.



Only to a god damn f*cking moron lol


Hakeem is arguable the most talented all around player ever

Moses was a limited stat padding piece of shit

:roll:


I cant believe the stat geeks today..

Watch the games.. please... watch the games

[Magic 32]

Still wondering how the NBA will explain that one in 50 years.

I can. The best player in the world was playing on a historically bad team.

Wasting your peak is the greatest injustice that can happen to a player.

[SouBeachTalents]

Like Horry for rangz and Nash for MVP's, Willis Reed is the awkward outlier when using a certain criteria to rank players. If we ranked players based on this method he'd have a case for top 10 all time, and he'd be on the same tier as Kobe & Hakeem

[Eric Cartman]

What about Pau Gasol?

No MVP's nor FMVP's.

Shame he didn't accomplish anything :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

Only to a god damn f*cking moron lol


Hakeem is arguable the most talented all around player ever

Moses was a limited stat padding piece of shit

:roll:


I cant believe the stat geeks today..

Watch the games.. please... watch the games

I never said he was better. Others have though, like Lazarus, and it's not outlandish to say why, not that I care.

How did a stad padding limited piece of shit make own Kareem almost everytime he faced him, especially in the Finals ? A player a lot of people call the GOAT ?


And you've always said you don't remember jack shit from the 90's, so why are you talking about watching games when you probably didn't watch either.

[LAZERUSS]

I never said he was better. Others have though, like Lazarus, and it's not outlandish to say why, not that I care.

How did a stad padding limited piece of shit make own Kareem almost everytime he faced him, especially in the Finals ? A player a lot of people call the GOAT ?


And you've always said you don't remember jack shit from the 90's, so why are you talking about watching games when you probably didn't watch either.

Moses "the Kareem Killer" Malone.

6-1 against KAJ in the post-season (including 2-1 against him with a 40-42 team), and 4-0 against him in the Finals...all while beating him to pulp in the process.

Overall, in their 40 career H2H's, many of which came against a near prime KAJ...ownage.

[Legends66NBA7]

Moses "the Kareem Killer" Malone.

6-1 against KAJ in the post-season (including 2-1 against him with a 40-42 team), and 4-0 against him in the Finals...all while beating him to pulp in the process.

Overall, in their 40 career H2H's, many of which came against a near prime KAJ...ownage.

Exactly.

Like I said, it's anyone's opinion to have Moses or Hakeem over each other, but it's hardly by a landslide.

[kamil]

LeBrons* got a LOT of stinkers on his resume though. 2/6 is gonna look really bad.

[LAZERUSS]

Exactly.

Like I said, it's anyone's opinion to have Moses or Hakeem over each other, but it's hardly by a landslide.

I could go with either one, as well, but it would be a razor-thin margin either way.

:cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

LeBrons* got a LOT of stinkers on his resume though. 2/6 is gonna look really bad.

"A LOT" of stinkers being...ONE, in the 2011 Finals.

[SamuraiSWISH]

So:

5x MVPs, 6/6 Rings, 6x Finals MVPs, DPOY > 4x MVPs, 2/6 Rings, 2x Finals MVPs > MVP, 5/7 Rings, 2x Finals MVPs?

Genius.