today's spacing ruins efforts at strategy

[3ball]

In these Finals, Lebron is proving that an all-time great + spacing > than any strategy.

Think about it - the Warriors have more talent than last year's Spurs... But Lebron is beating them just by shooting a super-ton!!!!... He's beating them with sheer volume, because again: all-time great + spacing > any strategy.

Unfortunately, Lebron is the only top 20 all-time player currently in the league (in his prime), hence there is no one else to dominate the spacing.. So Lebron has no competition..

Now if you put Bird, Magic, MJ, Elgin, or Oscar in today's game, THEN we'd have a truly interesting series, where the outcome could be debated... But now, it's just all-time great + spacing > any strategy.. :confusedshrug: ... Food for thought

[J Shuttlesworth]

Still waiting on a response from you in the other thread. Don't make me PM you.... 3ball style :coleman:

[navy]

You've posted this like 10 times tonight

[joe]

The Warriors are more of an example of today's spacing ruining strategy. They throw up awful 3s constantly and make silly turnovers. I am glad to see them being punished and pushed by a real team.

Lebron was ridiculous tonight. He sets everyone else up, he makes his teammates better, he plays defense. He is an incredible player for so many reasons.

And the Warriors are still the favorites.

[oarabbus]

Holy shit. To be honest, I'm just impressed with Lebrons greatness right now. The Warriors are going to have a chance to answer him tomorrow, but you can't deny how good he is.

And 3ball shouts to the skies trying to diminish it. If that is your relation to basketball, I pity you. Just enjoy the moment, you are experiencing the MDE since Shaq.

Both games went into OT, first finals for that to happen... the way I see it is to just appreciate what is happening right now.

[3ball]

you can't deny how he's good


I never said Lebron wasn't good.. This thread says he's an all-time great..

But he's the only all-time great currently playing.. So he's the only one that can take advantage of the fact that an all-time great + spacing > any strategy.

The facts couldn't be more clear - the Warriors have more talent than last year's Spurs... But Lebron is beating them just by shooting a ton!!... He's beating them with sheer volume, because again: all-time great + spacing > any strategy..

Kobe must see those 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570) and be like... :kobe:

Btw, don't overrate 44 pts on 38 shots, or 11-34 shooting.. it's not a good look.. cringeworthy actually... Those Finals numbers don't compare to Shaq or MJ's... Heck, Shaq shot LITERALLY TWICE as good (64% to Lebron's 32% in Game 2).

[Springsteen]

I could shoot 64% in the finals too if I had Shaq's size and strength in the post. :coleman:

[oarabbus]

I never said Lebron wasn't good.. This thread says he's an all-time great..

But he's the only all-time great currently playing.. So he's the only one that can take advantage of the fact that an all-time great + spacing > any strategy.

The facts couldn't be more clear - the Warriors have more talent than last year's Spurs... But Lebron is beating them just by shooting a ton!!... He's beating them with sheer volume, because again: all-time great + spacing > any strategy..

Kobe must see those 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570) and be like... :kobe:

Btw, don't overrate 44 pts on 38 shots, or 11-34 shooting.. it's not a good look.. cringeworthy actually... Those Finals numbers don't compare to Shaq or MJ's... Heck, Shaq shot LITERALLY TWICE as good (64% to Lebron's 32% in Game 2).


Shaq is also a 7'1" giant. LeBron is 6'8" and is getting 11 assists to go with his 16 rebounds. Shooting 50% from 3, and his assists are amazing. They play completely different, thats a disingenuous statement.

Also don't get it wrong, the Warriors will have a response.'

Overtime first two games has never happened before. This has potentials to become one of the top finals ever.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

1-9; 42/12/8

[hahaitme]

We're witnessing a 67 win team go up against an all-timer with 2 overtimes in the first 2 games, and the first thing you do is run to ISH to talk about the 80's & 90's.

You're probably never going to enjoy basketball again. I pity you, you poor son of a bitch.

[kshutts1]

In these Finals, Lebron is proving that an all-time great + spacing > than any strategy.

No one was stopping Bird's Celtics, Oscar's Bucks, or any other ATG's team from spacing the floor.

You will likely argue back "no point in spacing for Oscar's team if it's not worth 3 points" and I would counter with... you just said spacing is > any strategy.

[kshutts1]

We're witnessing a 67 win team go up against an all-timer with 2 overtimes in the first 2 games, and the first thing you do is run to ISH to talk about the 80's & 90's.

You're probably never going to enjoy basketball again. I pity you, you poor son of a bitch.
And this.

[LeBird]

We're witnessing a 67 win team go up against an all-timer with 2 overtimes in the first 2 games, and the first thing you do is run to ISH to talk about the 80's & 90's.

You're probably never going to enjoy basketball again. I pity you, you poor son of a bitch.

:bowdown:

[3ball]

And this.
nerds.. :rolleyes:

[3ball]

:bowdown:
:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

"In two games (both OT) Lebron James already has as many assists and rebounds as Michael Jordan did in the entire 1998 Finals" (6 games.)

[3ball]

No one was stopping (previous era teams) from spacing the floor.


:roll:

nothing except coaching stupidity... however, i'll take the other route and say the coaches were geniuses..

by NOT spacing the floor, it allowed us to see the superior skill necessary to navigate no spacing... nowadays, it's 3-and-D skill set and straight-line drives to the open paint.. unwatchable





You're probably never going to enjoy basketball again.


this proves how dumb both you and the forum is.

you think basketball is only the NBA... :roll: ... that's why you don't understand the game at a high level

[LeBird]

Haha, you're the forum idiot. Don't take yourself so seriously.

[K Xerxes]

Last years Spurs against this Cavs would be a beatdown bigger than last years finals. GS may have more 'talent', but someone needs to drop them a memo that there are other shots in basketball other than awful 3 pointers. They are playing well below their ability, whereas Spurs last year pretty much maximised theirs.

[HurricaneKid]

:roll:

nothing except coaching stupidity... however, i'll take the other route and say the coaches were geniuses..

by NOT spacing the floor, it allowed us to see the superior skill necessary to navigate no spacing... nowadays, it's 3-and-D skill set and straight-line drives to the open paint.. unwatchable



this proves how dumb both you and the forum is.

you think basketball is only the NBA... :roll: ... that's why you don't understand the game at a high level

You literally have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Do yourself a favorite and watch the coaches (Malone, BShaw, Frachilla) tape of the game. You have no idea what GS is doing defensively, what the Cle counters are etc.

I'm actually embarrassed for you at this point.

[3ball]

You have no idea what GS is doing defensively




Here's what GS is doing defensively - like ALL teams in today's game, they are helpless to counter the spacing that allows Lebron to isolate against a SINGLE strongside defender:


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http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif

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http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/1e79dc71a542600a777d78638e6a7e69.gif


There is no counter to the 1-defender strongside - if MJ played today, there would be nothing preventing him from isolating against a 1-defender strongside on EVERY PLAY..

In Lebron's case, he isolates the most often of any player in the entire league, despite having low isolation efficiency stats.. In regular season, Lebron ranked only 78th out of 350 in isolation PPP, while his FG% ranked 117th out of 350.. In the playoffs, Lebron is 35th out of 40 in isolation PPP, and 30th out of 40 in FG%.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1&sort=Time&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs

If Lebron can isolate more often than anyone else and find team success despite such low efficiency stats, what impact would MJ's league-leading isolation efficiency have?
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[Straight_Ballin]

lol 3ball shuts down the bron family again.

[kshutts1]

GS can counter by packing the paint, just like past eras did. Then Lebron can choose to pass to the open player, or (like past eras did) he can jack up a stupid, contested shot because "it's close".

I just don't see why people "hate" on efficient-choice offenses.

[MP.Trey]

3ball, why do you even watch basketball today? Spacing isn't going to go away and you clearly don't appreciate the kind of basketball being played, today so why even watch it? Why not just go back to jerking it over old 80's/90's Bulls games?

[tmacattack33]

I never said Lebron wasn't good.. This thread says he's an all-time great..

But he's the only all-time great currently playing.. So he's the only one that can take advantage of the fact that an all-time great + spacing > any strategy.

The facts couldn't be more clear - the Warriors have more talent than last year's Spurs... But Lebron is beating them just by shooting a ton!!... He's beating them with sheer volume, because again: all-time great + spacing > any strategy..

Kobe must see those 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570) and be like... :kobe:

Btw, don't overrate 44 pts on 38 shots, or 11-34 shooting.. it's not a good look.. cringeworthy actually... Those Finals numbers don't compare to Shaq or MJ's... Heck, Shaq shot LITERALLY TWICE as good (64% to Lebron's 32% in Game 2).

:roll:

Durant is an all-time great, and Kobe, Wade, and Chris Paul were still all-time greats 2-3 years ago. And that was not that long ago really. Certainly not long enough for a whole new era of basketball to develop :oldlol:


And by the way, Lebron was beasting in 2010. And he was beasting in 2005 as well. What's your excuse there?

And what will be your excuse if Lebron keeps playing well beyond 2020?

[3ball]

:roll:

And he was beasting in 2005 as well.


What about 2004?

Oh wait.. that was PRE-rule changes, so it's no surprise that Lebron shot 47% TS for the entire season and played worse than 40-year old MJ the prior year.. :facepalm

[3ball]

3ball, why do you even watch basketball today?


you think i watch NBA games... :roll:

i haven't watched 1 game all year.. i haven't watched 1 QUARTER of a game since 2011.. Just think - the many hours you guys spend watching games - i spend a fraction of that posting the most accurate predictions and analysis on here, without having watched ANY games..

That's the power of having played the game at a high level (D1 vs. many NBA players) AND being highly analytical i.e. private equity background... Pretty rare combination.

All my correct predictions come from understanding the game at a high level and glancing at boxscores/bballref... all i do is go to youtube after the game, and make GIF's of the highlights THAT I KNEW WOULD SUPPORT MY POSITIONS BEFORE EVEN SEEING THE HIGHLIGHTS.

That's what I did with the 1-defender strongside GIFs that i've been making.. I realized one day that today's spacing reduces the number of strongside defenders by using weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away... So I looked at the post game highlights to find examples of this, and found dozens of GIFs with 1-defender strongsides.. Pure, 100% isolations on the strongside - even more obvious than I thought it would be.

Here's more examples: Like most people, I said Chris Paul would lose in these playoffs, but how many people stated in these forums that the opponent would come from behind to win the series??... :confusedshrug: ... And in January, I said Warriors and Houston would meet in WCF and then choke in Finals vs. Cavs... Of course, last year, I harped repeatedly about how Lebron didn't shoot enough and could've beat Spurs if he shot way more... Fast forward to this season - he's shooting literally TWICE as much, and winning.

There are so many more, I can't keep track.. I remember when Steve Nash was traded to Lakers, I said he'd be nothing more than a floor-spreader... And my player scouting ability is unmatched... Sorry for the arrogance.. But it just is

[tmacattack33]

What about 2004?

Oh wait.. that was PRE-rule changes, so it's no surprise that Lebron shot 47% TS for the entire season and played worse than 40-year old MJ the prior year.. :facepalm

I just listed 2005 because I was going by half-decades...2005, 2010, 2015, 2020. I wasn't even looking at any stats or anything.

Anyway, Lebron was straight out of high school in 2004. LOL at you trying to talk smack about a 19 year old putting up the numbers Lebron did his first year.

What was MJ doing at 19? Dude wasn't even in the league.

[3ball]

What was MJ doing at 19?




The same thing he did at 29: being clutch and winning the championship for his team in the clutch (while playing off-ball to maximize team synergies):


http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6e808ff8fef2f4967bfb6ef4c375dc25.gif


These are all things that 30-year old Lebron has still never done in championship games.. The reality is that 13 PPG for Dean Smith as freshman and winning the championship in hero fashion > 20 PPG chucker on 47% TS in NBA.. :confusedshrug:

[LeBird]

you think i watch NBA games... :roll:

i haven't watched 1 game all year.. i haven't watched 1 QUARTER of a game since 2011.. Just think - the many hours you guys spend watching games - i spend a fraction of that posting the most accurate predictions and analysis on here, without having watched ANY games..

:lol

No wonder you talk so much shit.

[tmacattack33]

The same thing he did at 29: being clutch and winning the championship for his team in the clutch (while playing off-ball to maximize team synergies):


http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6e808ff8fef2f4967bfb6ef4c375dc25.gif


These are all things that 30-year old Lebron has still never done in championship games.. The reality is that 13 PPG for Dean Smith as freshman and winning the championship in hero fashion > 20 PPG chucker on 47% TS in NBA.. :confusedshrug:

LOL at bringing college ball into this.

You slippin'

[BlazerRed]

This guy is as bad as Dubeta and Silkk.. :facepalm

[3ball]

LOL at bringing college ball into this.

You slippin'
:confusedshrug:

Dean Smith would've shut down Lebron's game even more than the 13 PPG he restricted MJ to..

All players have lesser stats in college - look at Vince Carter, Rasheed Wallace, Grant Hill, YOU NAME IT.. and for MJ, his average went from 19 PPG under Dean as a sophomore and junior, to 28 PPG as NBA rookie.

Again, any player that gets 13 PPG under the restrictive Dean Smith and wins the national championship in hero fashion > 20 PPG on 47% TS for bad NBA team with a total green light to chuck away.. It might be hard to wrap your head around, but the accurate things in life normally are.

[diamenz]

This has potentials to become one of the top finals ever.

pff, **** that. a 3 point jacking team vs an iso bron ball team every possession. doesn't get any lamer than that, jack.