If LeBron Wins w/this Roster...

[KNOW1EDGE]

Just a question for all: If LeBron James wins with this extremely weak supporting cast will it change your mind one way or another about him?

His supporting cast is one of the weakest I have ever witnessed in the finals. Dirks with the Mavs was pretty weak too, but was chopped full of solid veterans like Kidd, Terry, Chandler etc

While I don't think he will ever surpass MJ as the GOAT, winning with this roster would really boost his case, and should silence some of the critics who say he can't win without a stacked roster.

Thoughts?

[JohnFreeman]

He moves into top 6 players all time

[K Xerxes]

This is the worst version of LeBron James as a player since 2005-2008 (and 2011), yet this is probably his best opportunity to shoot up the ATG list if he somehow pulls this out. I think this says more about the way we value players (which is very dependent on circumstance) than him as player in all honesty.

[KNOW1EDGE]

This is the worst version of LeBron James as a player since 2005-2008 (and 2011), yet this is probably his best opportunity to shoot up the ATG list if he somehow pulls this out. I think this says more about the way we value players (which is very dependent on circumstance) than him as player in all honesty.

Very interesting.

I don't know about numbers, but simply from the eye-test he seems to be playing harder, and smarter than I have ever seen him play. He has missed some potential game winners and missed a couple clutch free-throws. But he seems to be making his team much better than I have ever seen from him. He has turned Mozgov and Delevadova into contributing, major assets. Although one could also say both those guys have improved and matured as players. Also turned the Knicks rejects into contributing players as well.

I hate to be another person, making another LBJ thread, but it is interesting to hear people's honest, un-biased opinions :cheers:

[Foster5k]

LeBron's greatest ability of all is to make the players around him better. That is the mark of a true leader.

If he pulls this off, he moves up on whatever list anyone is making. In the future, when one thinks about the NBA, one will surely have to remember the name LeBron James.

[BlakFrankWhite]

#6 all time.

Only MJ,KAJ,Duncan,Russell and Wilt ahead of him

[K Xerxes]

Very interesting.

I don't know about numbers, but simply from the eye-test he seems to be playing harder, and smarter than I have ever seen him play. He has missed some potential game winners and missed a couple clutch free-throws. But he seems to be making his team much better than I have ever seen from him. He has turned Mozgov and Delevadova into contributing, major assets. Although one could also say both those guys have improved and matured as players. Also turned the Knicks rejects into contributing players as well.

I hate to be another person, making another LBJ thread, but it is interesting to hear people's honest, un-biased opinions :cheers:

As a leader, this is the best LeBron James we have ever seen. It's actually inspiring the way he is playing, and you can see why the rest of these guys are following suit. But put 2009-10 and 12-14 James in this position and they would put up better numbers on the same number of shots he is taking. His jumper is broken right now and he's struggling to put away layups when he was an ATG finisher at the rim. Whether he inspires his team mates the same way as he is doing now is debatable.

This is not the way to play basketball. They are literally running every position through James and expecting him to make the correct decision. I suppose it has worked out so far, but this is tiring, grueling and physical play which he will not last. Expect his numbers to dip as the series progresses, a 40 point triple double average is not sustainable.

This series is in GS' hands. If they continue choking, Cavs actually have a shot. But, let's be serious, if the 2014 Spurs were playing the Cavs right now, this would be a beatdown sweep. Not only would the Spurs defend him better and keep him out of the paint, they run organised offense that would decimate this Cavs defense, which is admittedly awesome.

[Eric Cartman]

Top 5 GOAT.

No one has taken a sorrier group to a title in the last 30 years.

[PleezeBelieve]

This is the worst supporting cast to ever win a Finals game.

And they didn't on the road, in OT, against a team that lost on three times in front of their home fans.

This was a historic win for LeBron. He simply is one of the best 6 players to ever play this game.

[Mawly-G]

This is the worst version of LeBron James as a player since 2005-2008 (and 2011), yet this is probably his best opportunity to shoot up the ATG list if he somehow pulls this out. I think this says more about the way we value players (which is very dependent on circumstance) than him as player in all honesty.
Idk man...one could argue that this is the absolute best version of James. Dude has been putting up huge numbers and is willing his team to win. He has been less efficient, sure, but that doesn't mean that he is any less effective.

[PleezeBelieve]

Cavs are playing with journeymen at every position:

Delly: undrafted

Shump/Smith: traded no less than 4 times between the two

Tristan: internet whipping boy for being drafted over Drummond & Leonard

Mosgov: On his 3rd team in 4 seasons. Facial recipient of the new millennium (vs Griffin)


What a performance by LeBron. He played 50 minutes and got the job done playing under a below average coach that he doesn't like.

Wow... just wow.

[SexSymbol]

But his team is great, LeBron played horribly on both ends of the floor in the 2nd half last night and the Cavs pushed Warriors shit in when bron was on the bench.
Mozgov played great, Tristan played great defense, Delly played atg defense, Jones hit some big shots, even JR was good offensively.
Aside from Klay and Iggy nobody was good for the warriors.

[LAZERUSS]

Only three more wins to go.

[alec613]

I'll actually to be a fan of him if he actually wins against the dubs with his supporting cast

[Jasper]

This is the worst supporting cast to ever win a Finals game.

And they did it on the road, in OT, against a team that lost on three times in front of their home fans.

This was a historic win for LeBron. He simply is one of the best 6 players to ever play this game.

This morning as was the case last night I was thinking about the game/ over the years I have seen ton's of playoff games.
No matter if your are a professional , pressure and the situation can effect an individual.
Example - Gunner Smith was doing what he needed to do by shooting and playing the best defense he could.
He fouled out on stupid plays , because the pressure got the best of him.
After the horn sounded - he was feeling bad , because he let his team down.
Trust me , he learned something !!
I expect him to play better the rest of the series. (Mark my words)

As for Bron - he's been there done that.
And ironically you guys need to name a player on the War's that have been in a title game , or have won a ring :confusedshrug:
The War's are under pressure, and it showed as Curry on his home court , choked as no other MVP in the history of the league ever did.
As a PG he wasn't even instrumental in passing and setting up plays.

[97 bulls]

Cavs are playing with journeymen at every position:
Here we go. Undermine, underrate, and dismiss the contributions (better yet critical contributions) of the team to prop up one player.


Delly: undrafted
Held the MVP to 5/19 shooting and arguable his worst game of the season


Shump/Smith: traded no less than 4 times between the two
Smith did score 13 pts.


Tristan: internet whipping boy for being drafted over Drummond & Leonard
Pulled down 14 rebounds.


Mosgov: On his 3rd team in 4 seasons. Facial recipient of the new millennium (vs Griffin)
Scored 17 pts in 29 min. And grabbed 11 rebds.


What a performance by LeBron. He played 50 minutes and got the job done playing under a below average coach that he doesn't like.
It was a great performance by James.

But lets not forget the effort of the rest of your team.

Wow... just wow.[/QUOTE]

[plowking]

Tristan: internet whipping boy for being drafted over Drummond & Leonard



I completely forgot Drummond got drafted so low... Crazy. Even crazier is how good this Cavs team would be with Drummond on there instead of TT. Even more rebounding, size and interior defense.

People keep going on about this cast, but I don't think it is that bad. It is way better than what he had in his first stint in Cleveland, and to be honest, I think it is better than the Heat last year. Talent wise, absolutely not, but at least they don't have any weaknesses. Heat were a sorry ass rebounding team, and terrible defensively both inside and out in 2014.
Cavs are a jack of all trades, and master of none kinda team. They have the potential to have great nights, and they're doing that.

[Draz]

Tbh, I'm not necessarily rooting for anyone but the cavs are the underdogs and I like underdogs. If they win he definitely goes up.

[BlazerRed]

I'm not a big fan of Lebron, but he's been super impressive with this crappy lineup so far these finals. If he can pull this off it would be insane.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Seems like a lot of people are starting to like this LeBron/Cavs. I think it's because they are playing with pure heart. Win or lose, can't complain about that.

[Done_And_Done]

Respect will certainly be owed. That's all I can say at this point.

[tpols]

But his team is great, LeBron played horribly on both ends of the floor in the 2nd half last night and the Cavs pushed Warriors shit in when bron was on the bench.
Mozgov played great, Tristan played great defense, Delly played atg defense, Jones hit some big shots, even JR was good offensively.
Aside from Klay and Iggy nobody was good for the warriors.

It's because defensive help will always get underrated when it comes to supporting casts.. people want to see a 25 ppg flashy second option but when delly and shump hold the mvp to 25% shooting that doesn't matter. When mozgov destroys Bogut on both ends doesn't matter.

The Cavs and Bron specifically did everything to choke that game away offensively.. couldn't buy a bucket.. but they shut down an atg offense at the other end.. Delly stuffs steph and hits game winning FTs.. but the supporting cast sucked lol....

[Solefade]

It's because defensive help will always get underrated when it comes to supporting casts.. people want to see a 25 ppg flashy second option but when delly and shump hold the mvp to 25% shooting that doesn't matter. When mozgov destroys Bogut on both ends doesn't matter.

The Cavs and Bron specifically did everything to choke that game away offensively.. couldn't buy a bucket.. but they shut down an atg offense at the other end.. Delly stuffs steph and hits game winning FTs.. but the supporting cast sucked lol....

let's just ignore the fact that the game wouldn't even be remotely close if it wasn't for lebron, skip bayless.

[3ball]

to answer the OP's question - winning with weak supporting casts doesn't mean what it used to because today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy..

So today's today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - so Lebron's lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).

[Solefade]

This is the worst version of LeBron James as a player since 2005-2008 (and 2011), yet this is probably his best opportunity to shoot up the ATG list if he somehow pulls this out. I think this says more about the way we value players (which is very dependent on circumstance) than him as player in all honesty.


i don't know about that, his efficiency has taken a total dive but he looks like he's in complete control of the game..it's so gratifying to see him empty the clip for once

[riseagainst]

he becomes the GOAT. he already is number 2 behind MJ by a hair. If he wins against this stacked GS team, the GOAT team, he will be miles ahead of MJ at 1.
:bowdown:

[livinglegend]

This is the worst version of LeBron James as a player since 2005-2008 (and 2011), yet this is probably his best opportunity to shoot up the ATG list if he somehow pulls this out. I think this says more about the way we value players (which is very dependent on circumstance) than him as player in all honesty.

No, mentally, this is the best version of Lebron by far.
Overall, it's one of the best version of Lebron. The best of Lebron after 2012/2009.

[livinglegend]

It's funny how people changed their narrative regarding the ratings of supporting casts.
When in Miami, people didn't look at the actual production of Lebron's supporting cast.
They claimed ''superstar'' Bosh when he was averging 12/6 in 2013 playoffs. Superstar wade when he was averaging 15/4 or something like that.
It was all about the big names. The big names made Miami stacked. The reputation of the players made Heat stacked instead of their actual production.
Now, in Cleveland, people actually look at the production of the supporting cast because they don't have big names. Going by reputation doesn't fit their agenda anymore.

[plowking]

It's because defensive help will always get underrated when it comes to supporting casts.. people want to see a 25 ppg flashy second option but when delly and shump hold the mvp to 25% shooting that doesn't matter. When mozgov destroys Bogut on both ends doesn't matter.

The Cavs and Bron specifically did everything to choke that game away offensively.. couldn't buy a bucket.. but they shut down an atg offense at the other end.. Delly stuffs steph and hits game winning FTs.. but the supporting cast sucked lol....

Completely agree. Even with Kyrie and Love out, I still feel this is a better team than last years Heat. No weaknesses. Jack of all trade teams, master of none. Far more balanced than the Heat of 2014.

[livinglegend]

Completely agree. Even with Kyrie and Love out, I still feel this is a better team than last years Heat. No weaknesses. Jack of all trade teams, master of none. Far more balanced than the Heat of 2014.

Blatt is also a much better coach than Spo.
He actually changes things when they are not working.
Spo didn't do anything after Pop clearly had exposed their defense in game 3.

[3ball]

Completely agree. Even with Kyrie and Love out, I still feel this is a better team than last years Heat. No weaknesses. Jack of all trade teams, master of none. Far more balanced than the Heat of 2014.
Cavs strategy is better regarding Lebron... They must have told him raw production > efficiency... shoot till' your arm falls off.

Or someone read these forums and put him up on game

[3ball]

If Lebron wins with this roster


It means nothing because today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy

Today's today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).

[livinglegend]

It means nothing because today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy

Today's today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).

CLIFFNOTES: 1-9

[plowking]

Blatt is also a much better coach than Spo.
He actually changes things when they are not working.
Spo didn't do anything after Pop clearly had exposed their defense in game 3.

Also true.

Spo is a poor coach, while Blatt actually seems to know what he is doing. Took him a while, but he has a great grasp of his teams strong points now.



Cavs strategy is better regarding Lebron... They must have told him raw production > efficiency... shoot till' your arm falls off.

Yeah... I'm sure they told him about his stats, and how him shooting a certain amount of shots guarantee wins... :facepalm

[inclinerator]

Completely agree. Even with Kyrie and Love out, I still feel this is a better team than last years Heat. No weaknesses. Jack of all trade teams, master of none. Far more balanced than the Heat of 2014.
there's definitely a weakness especially since kyrie is out, no one can run the offense outside of lebron

[tmacattack33]

Just a question for all: If LeBron James wins with this extremely weak supporting cast will it change your mind one way or another about him?

His supporting cast is one of the weakest I have ever witnessed in the finals. Dirks with the Mavs was pretty weak too, but was chopped full of solid veterans like Kidd, Terry, Chandler etc

While I don't think he will ever surpass MJ as the GOAT, winning with this roster would really boost his case, and should silence some of the critics who say he can't win without a stacked roster.

Thoughts?

He already won in 2012 with Bosh out for two rounds, and with Bosh playing at about 70% in the Finals against OKC.

But some of the haters like to kinda ignore that. But they ignore this though. So, yes, this would definitely silence those critics.

And it would give Lebron a great case for already being top 7 if he retires after winning the championship this year (if they do win of course), with a potential for getting into the top 3 by the end of his career.

[LA_Showtime]

He doesn't even have to win to add to his legacy. What LeBron has done these playoffs has been amazing. His leadership, aggressiveness, and balls-to-the-wall style of play has been refreshing and a blast to watch.

[nzahir]

He moves into top 2 players all time
Agreed

[nzahir]

It means nothing because today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy

Today's today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).
Dude stfu already, jordan had the best shooter of all time in kerr and guys like paxson. They didnt even allow zones or help when mj played(and i dont want to see your 10 dumbass examples of zone being played on him his entire career b/c there were more than 10 times of zone played on lebron last night), so he got to go 1v1. When lebron gets to go 1v1 in the paint, which is rare, he destroys anyone. Its harder for him to get in the paint rn b/c the paint is packed with 2 or 3 guys and he has no great guards to pass him the ball w/o kyrie. Either way your argument is shit, jordan is the goat to me rn but you are embarrassing yourself and his name. You only bring up things about lebron b/c you know that when its all said and done he will challenge mj's spot as the goat

[2swift4u]

He's not going to surpass MJ but it would be damn impressive. This Cavs team is really stricken but Lebron Hasn't given up. I give him a lot of credit for that!

[6 for 24]

Cavs strategy is better regarding Lebron... They must have told him raw production > efficiency... shoot till' your arm falls off.


Most likely LeBron stumbled upon my PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)™ formula in one of the analytics publications. Then he realized that relentless chucking is the key to scoring, since basketball does not deduct points for missed attempts. And since the team that scores more wins...

"You can't make 'em if you don't take 'em" --Kobe "the self-proclaimed Black Mamba and founder of the Kobe System School of Shot Jackery™" Bryant

Glad to see that people are finally seeing the light.

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[DMV2]

#2 Greatest of All-Time....and I'm a Bran hater.

KAJ played with a Top 5 All-Time, Magic. Vice versa. Also, couldn't win more than 1 ring during his peak.

Wilt??? lol....playoff choker. Russell? 15 PPG with a superstacked roster.
Both played in a really weak era. only 8 teams. A bunch of little white guys. LMAO.

He's already near neck and neck with Bird.

Sure Jordan needed Pippen but Pippen is barely a Top 30 player. Of MJ's 6/6 championship seasons, he got 4 MVPs, 6 FMVPs and 6 scoring titles. GOAT peak, 91-93. 6 titles in 8 years. Only back-to-back 3-peat #1 option.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

It's not weak. Dude is shooting horrifically, turning over the ball and playing awful defense. And yet, his bigs are murdering GS on the boards and his team as a whole is playing suffocating defense. He's basically Iverson/Rose, but not playing against PEAK Shaq/prime Kobe and 3 superstars in Bran/Wade/Bosh. He's rather playing against Steve Nash 2.0.

:kobe:

[97 bulls]

It's not weak. Dude is shooting horrifically, turning over the ball and playing awful defense. And yet, his bigs are murdering GS on the boards and his team as a whole is playing suffocating defense. He's basically Iverson/Rose, but not playing against PEAK Shaq/prime Kobe and 3 superstars in Bran/Wade/Bosh. He's rather playing against Steve Nash 2.0.

:kobe:
Exactly

[Springsteen]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]Most likely LeBron stumbled upon my PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[Hey Yo]

It's not weak. Dude is shooting horrifically, turning over the ball and playing awful defense. And yet, his bigs are murdering GS on the boards and his team as a whole is playing suffocating defense. He's basically Iverson/Rose, but not playing against PEAK Shaq/prime Kobe and 3 superstars in Bran/Wade/Bosh. He's rather playing against Steve Nash 2.0.

:kobe:
In 86MP, Thompson is 1-9 from the field with 2pts, 29 rebounds (12 offensive) and is a minus -27. The Cavs are only +7 in total rebounding throughout 2 games.

He's playing against the #1 defense in the league.


Your trolling, chico is getting stale and moldy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If he wins he is the GOAT without a doubt. Even 3ball would be forced to admit it.

[riseagainst]

he already is the unanimous GOAT. win/loss he will remain as the unanimous GOAT.

[DetroitPistonFan]

LOL @ Win or lose LeBron is the GOAT.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Can anybody name a worse finals roster than this current Cavs team?

Let's be honest, the team is playing well, players have improved, and LeBron is making everyone around him better.. but his supporting cast is so incredibly mediocre at best it's not even funny. This team without LeBron would not make the playoffs in the East.

I'm neither a LeBron hater nor a die-hard fan, but if they win, it will be incredibly impressive and I would put him behind Jordan as the 2nd best player of all time.

Delevadova, JR Smith, Shump, T.T, Mozgov, James Jones.. are you kidding me? That's laughable. That's his supporting cast? Yes, they are all performing well, but iz u seriuz? Come on. It would be very impressive for that team to win a championship. Very, very impressive

[97 bulls]

Can anybody name a worse finals roster than this current Cavs team?

Let's be honest, the team is playing well, players have improved, and LeBron is making everyone around him better.. but his supporting cast is so incredibly mediocre at best it's not even funny. This team without LeBron would not make the playoffs in the East.

I'm neither a LeBron hater nor a die-hard fan, but if they win, it will be incredibly impressive and I would put him behind Jordan as the 2nd best player of all time.

Delevadova, JR Smith, Shump, T.T, Mozgov, James Jones.. are you kidding me? That's laughable. That's his supporting cast? Yes, they are all performing well, but iz u seriuz? Come on. It would be very impressive for that team to win a championship. Very, very impressive
But they aren't playing like your run of the mill journeymen. Delavadovas defense last night was on the level of Sidney Moncrief. Thomoson had been rebounding like Dennis Rodman. Mozgov last night played like a domiant center 17/11 in 29 minutes????? I mean cone on

[Phantom84]

But they aren't playing like your run of the mill journeymen. Delavadovas defense last night was on the level of Sidney Moncrief. Thomoson had been rebounding like Dennis Rodman. Mozgov last night played like a domiant center 17/11 in 29 minutes????? I mean cone on

And yet if you take Lebron off this team, Sidney Moncrief, Dennis Rodman, and Mozzy don't make the playoff :lol

[G0ATbe]

So he's the GOAT if he wins the first legit ring of his career?
http://media.giphy.com/media/dC9DTdqPmRnlS/giphy.gif



Kobe's done what LeBalds doing and ended up winning 5 times.


5>1

[3ball]

Today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy

Today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).

[FKAri]

Today's spacing + all-time great > any strategy

Today's spacing would allow ANY all-time great to dominate the same way - Lebron's simply lucky that he happens to be the only all-time great playing in today's spacing era (while in his prime).

delusion

[ISHGoat]

So he's the GOAT if he wins the first legit ring of his career?
http://media.giphy.com/media/dC9DTdqPmRnlS/giphy.gif



Kobe's done what LeBalds doing and ended up winning 5 times.


5>1

3/6 > 2/7

[TylerOO]

I don't even wanna think about it because I'm crazy aND think I may jynx it.

But it would be incredible. Let's see if he could do it first.

[97 bulls]

And yet if you take Lebron off this team, Sidney Moncrief, Dennis Rodman, and Mozzy don't make the playoff :lol
What are you talking about?????? What does this have to do with how they played last night????? Which is what you guys can't wrap your head around

[TheReal Kendall]

Can anybody name a worse finals roster than this current Cavs team?

Let's be honest, the team is playing well, players have improved, and LeBron is making everyone around him better.. but his supporting cast is so incredibly mediocre at best it's not even funny. This team without LeBron would not make the playoffs in the East.

I'm neither a LeBron hater nor a die-hard fan, but if they win, it will be incredibly impressive and I would put him behind Jordan as the 2nd best player of all time.

Delevadova, JR Smith, Shump, T.T, Mozgov, James Jones.. are you kidding me? That's laughable. That's his supporting cast? Yes, they are all performing well, but iz u seriuz? Come on. It would be very impressive for that team to win a championship. Very, very impressive

2001 76ers

[Phantom84]

What are you talking about?????? What does this have to do with how they played last night????? Which is what you guys can't wrap your head around

I'm talking about Lebron leadership and his ability to elevate his teammates level of play. You replace Lebron and you think these Cavs are able to compete at this level. That is what you can't wrap your head around.

P.S: It must be nice playing with the best player in the world and knowing full well he has your back.

[97 bulls]

I'm talking about Lebron leadership and his ability to elevate his teammates level of play. You replace Lebron and you think these Cavs are able to compete at this level. That is what you can't wrap your head around.

P.S: It must be nice playing with the best player in the world and knowing full well he has your back.
Flawed reasoning. Obviously James is the head of the beast. My point is that far tooboften we loose sight of the contributions of the team. Almost as if the team is in said player way.

I keep hearing terms like "dragging", and "bumbs", bumbs don't shut down MVPs the way Delivadova did Curry. Mozgov played like a domianat center last night. Thompson has been rebounding like a maniac and once again had a great game. Are they name players? No. But they are playing great.

[Phantom84]

Flawed reasoning. Obviously James is the head of the beast. My point is that far tooboften we loose sight of the contributions of the team. Almost as if the team is in said player way.

I keep hearing terms like "dragging", and "bumbs", bumbs don't shut down MVPs the way Delivadova did Curry. Mozgov played like a domianat center last night. Thompson has been rebounding like a maniac and once again had a great game. Are they name players? No. But they are playing great.

What is so flawed with my reasoning? Is Lebron not elevating the level of play from his teammates? Are these guys not getting good looks due to Lebron? Obviously, basketball is a team sport and you need contribution from your teammates in order to win. However, I am not going to sit here and act like Lebron is surrounded with a bunch of NBA starters.

Delly - Beside playing tenacious D, what else did he offer. He shot 3-10 and had 6 TOs. The dude can barely dribble the ball up the court. He is a bench player.

TT - Beside the 14 rebounds he offered nothing on the offensive end. He almost cost them the game because the guy can't even knock down his free throw. :facepalm

Mozgov - He showed up

Imam - Beside playing defense he offered nothing on the offensive end just like TT

JR - This dope was trying to lose the game lol

JJ - This guy can do absolutely nothing without Lebron giving him open looks

MM - The guy corpse was on the floor

Lebron can't even rest more than four minutes in the game because Moncrief and Dennis Rodman are absolute shit on the offensive end. I don't want to downplay these guys contribution because they really play their heart out but they are not very good players. This team is on the level of 07 Cav and 01 Sixers bad.

[funnystuff]

So he's the GOAT if he wins the first legit ring of his career?
http://media.giphy.com/media/dC9DTdqPmRnlS/giphy.gif



Kobe's done what LeBalds doing and ended up winning 5 times.


5>1
3/6 >>> 2/7

[Funktion]

If he wins with this shitty lineup, I'll give him his props.

[Goldrush25]

P.S: It must be nice playing with the best player in the world and knowing full well he has your back.

No doubt.

It's like going into a street fight, except the guy that's kicked everyone's arse in the neighborhood is on your side. Of course that's going to have you thinking you're going to win.

[97 bulls]

What is so flawed with my reasoning? Is Lebron not elevating the level of play from his teammates? Are these guys not getting good looks due to Lebron? Obviously, basketball is a team sport and you need contribution from your teammates in order to win. However, I am not going to sit here and act like Lebron is surrounded with a bunch of NBA starters.
Thompson, Mozgov, and Smith are starting caliber type players. Come on.


Delly - Beside playing tenacious D, what else did he offer. He shot 3-10 and had 6 TOs. The dude can barely dribble the ball up the court. He is a bench player.
Lol. The dude held the MVP, record setting, and leader of the 67 win Warriors to 5/23 shooting. Lebron James shot 32%. Hell he scored 38 pts on 34 shots and 18 FTs.


TT - Beside the 14 rebounds he offered nothing on the offensive end. He almost cost them the game because the guy can't even knock down his free throw. :facepalm
Lol. James missed a crucial FT as well. And he blew the game winning layup (even though he was fouled).


Mozgov - He showed up
Thnx for not calling me a total liar.


Imam - Beside playing defense he offered nothing on the offensive end just like TT

I dont even feel he played that well. Thompson lit him up.


JR - This dope was trying to lose the game lol
I agree


JJ - This guy can do absolutely nothing without Lebron giving him open looks
And he makes James job easier because he makes them pay if they doubke off him.


MM - The guy corpse was on the floor

Lebron can't even rest more than four minutes in the game because Moncrief and Dennis Rodman are absolute shit on the offensive end. I don't want to downplay these guys contribution because they really play their heart out but they are not very good players. This team is on the level of 07 Cav and 01 Sixers bad.
Ok. Regardless of what you think they are or their reputation. They are comming to play. James is not out there on an island. If these guys play according to their rep, the Cavs would loose in three games not four. If hadnt seen the game and just read some of the comments in this forum, id be led to believe that the whole team played like hot garbage and James did everything on his own. Thats a bold faced lie.

[97 bulls]

If he wins with this shitty lineup, I'll give him his props.
If he wins with the lineup playing like sht you mean.

[Fudge]

Worst supporting cast for a Finals team in NBA history. Wow. If LeBron somehow pulls this one out, he'll easily be top 3 all-time.

[COnDEMnED]

Just a question for all: If LeBron James wins with this extremely weak supporting cast will it change your mind one way or another about him?

His supporting cast is one of the weakest I have ever witnessed in the finals. Dirks with the Mavs was pretty weak too, but was chopped full of solid veterans like Kidd, Terry, Chandler etc

While I don't think he will ever surpass MJ as the GOAT, winning with this roster would really boost his case, and should silence some of the critics who say he can't win without a stacked roster.

Thoughts?
If he wins, he'd have his first legit chip. Even though he's the best player on either team, I don't think he can sustain throughout the series. He's going to have some "crash" games. The longer the series goes, the better chance he loses.

[LeBird]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]Most likely LeBron stumbled upon my PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[Prime_Shaq]

Top 5-8 if he wins with this cast.

[KNOW1EDGE]

If LeBron were not on the Cavs do you think this team/players would be performing as well as they are currently? -absolutely not, and that's the point.

Tristan Thompson is a solid bench player, fringe starter.
Delevadova would be lucky to even get more than 15mpg on most NBA teams.
JR Smith is a chucker.
Iman plays good defense but can't shoot.
James Jones. Lol
Mozgov had good size and thanks to LeBron has greatly improved his game (did u see him with the Knicks and Nugs?)

Yes, these guys are performing well as a unit, but quite obviously, these guys have no shot at even sniffing the playoffs without LeBron.

[PP34Deuce]

Top 5-8 if he wins with this cast.


I feel like if Cleveland wins this series, Lebron goes surpasses Kobe in a lot of peoples eyes. I have him now at my number 9 position. It would move him top 5 to me.