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Euroleague
06-08-2015, 08:04 PM
Phil Jackson and Shaq both admitted to ball deflation in order to help win championships.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13030284/nba-playoffs-game-ball-road-nba-finals

The footballs didn't have enough air, and the NFL believed the New England Patriots -- and specifically star quarterback Tom Brady -- were to blame, all part of a scheme to gain an edge. So the league dropped the hammer, suspending him, fining the team and revoking draft picks in order to protect "the integrity of the game."

But long before "Deflategate," the practice of putting extra air in or letting it out of a game ball -- beyond the regulated amount -- was used by some of the NBA's biggest teams and stars.

Take Shaquille O'Neal, for instance.

"Sometimes, in the games during all my championship runs, if a ball was too hard, I let air out," the former All-Star center said in a recent episode of "The Big Podcast With Shaq." "I'd have a needle. A friend of mine would have a needle and I would get the game ball. ... I needed that extra grip, but I wasn't doing that for cheating purposes. I just needed the extra grip for my hands so I could palm it, a la Michael Jordan, the way he used to palm it.

O'Neal said he'd walk up to the ball rack before a game, "Get the ball, 'Tsssss' let a little bit of air out, squeeze it -- OK, good."

Was he cheating? He believes not.

"Because, first of all, I'm not aware of any letter of the law that says, you can't let air out of the ball," O'Neal said. "I'm not aware of that. Second of all, it's all about my [comfort level]. A lot of times, if the balls have too much air in them, they're too bouncy. I didn't want them to be bouncy. I needed that grip."

His teammates didn't complain, either, he said.

"No," he said, "especially when you're winning,"

O'Neal wasn't the first to follow that practice. Phil Jackson said he did so during his playing days with the early 1970s New York Knicks, including on their 1973 title team.

"What we used to do was deflate the ball," the Hall of Fame coach told the Chicago Tribune in a story published in 1986. "We were a short team with our big guys like Willis [Reed], our center, only about 6-8 and Jerry Lucas also 6-8, [Dave] DeBusschere, 6-6. So what we had to rely on was boxing out and hoping the rebound didn't go long.

"To help ensure that, we'd try to take some air out of the ball. You see, on the ball it says something like 'inflate to 7 to 9 pounds.' We'd all carry pins and take the air out to deaden the ball.

"It also helped our offense because we were a team that liked to pass the ball without dribbling it, so it didn't matter how much air was in the ball. It also kept other teams from running on us because when they'd dribble the ball, it wouldn't come up so fast."

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:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Relinquish
06-08-2015, 08:25 PM
This is a completely different scenario from Deflategate. The game ball is used by both teams, whereas in the NFL each team has their own balls. Hold this L OP.

buddha
06-08-2015, 08:26 PM
there have been obvious times where every single player on the court went cold, couldn't hit a jumpshot, leading you to just know there were some ball shenanigans going on.

tmacattack33
06-08-2015, 08:36 PM
This is a completely different scenario from Deflategate. The game ball is used by both teams, whereas in the NFL each team has their own balls. Hold this L OP.

Exactly what I was going to post.

Wtf is wrong with OP. Maybe he didn't even realize that in american football, only the offense will touch the ball :confusedshrug:

outbreak
06-08-2015, 08:38 PM
Your an idiot. Both teams use the same ball :facepalm

Is this you trying to deflect from how rigged the european leagues are? Most of them are to the point where you can't consider a single achievement legit because who knows what went on behind the scenes.

Guys like Spanoulis can only be judged on their NBA career because of how rigged it was for him in Europe.

tpols
06-08-2015, 08:39 PM
This is a completely different scenario from Deflategate. The game ball is used by both teams, whereas in the NFL each team has their own balls. Hold this L OP.

Doesnt really matter since shaq already had a huge advantage inside.. now he gets to use deflated balls ? lol.. imagine dunking nerf balls. Thats just a huge advantage for him since he wants to use minimal dribbles and hold onto the ball deep in the paint surrounded by swipes. .


Now imagine what it would do for someone like.. allen iverson. Wouldnt help him at all, would actually hurt.

toxicxr6
06-08-2015, 08:50 PM
I would say it still has an impact on the game.. Even using the same ball..

Playing with a slightly deflated ball would require small adjustments to how you dribble and shoot.. If once team has a lot more practice using this than the other is an obvious advantage

Again if one team was not aware the ball had been deflated then it's an obvious advantage to the team that does know


Saying it has no impact I think is being nieve

Nuff Said
06-08-2015, 08:54 PM
Lol. Not the same as the nfl but still not fair. Plain and simple. I still wouldn't take away any championships or add asterisks tho.

imnew09
06-08-2015, 08:55 PM
Players on the other team are allow to complain about the balls. So its a fair game.

Ive seen players complain to the refa regarding the balls and the refs are gladly to switch them

inclinerator
06-08-2015, 09:01 PM
kobe only 2/7
legoat wins again

DCL
06-08-2015, 09:02 PM
when you deflate a basketball, you are helping both sides anyway.

anyone who has played basketball knows that super bouncy balls are harder to shoot with. when they hit the back of the rim, they fly out and bounce to another zip code. you pretty much have to be deadly accurate and get all net. a slightly deflated ball though can hit the rim and reaction could be a little friendlier. the downside to deflated balls are that they are not fun to dribble with. they feel dead on the ground.

inclinerator
06-08-2015, 09:04 PM
when you deflate a basketball, you are helping both sides anyway.

anyone who has played basketball knows that super bouncy balls are harder to shoot with. when they hit the back of the rim, they fly out and bounce to another zip code. you pretty much have to be deadly accurate and get all net. a slightly deflated ball though can hit the rim and reaction could be a little friendlier. the downside to deflated balls are that they are not fun to dribble with. they feel dead on the ground.
it gives you better handles tho

DCL
06-08-2015, 09:06 PM
it gives you better handles tho


i think it just slows the process down. the deflated ball doesn't have as much acceleration after the bounce. but i prefer the firm and solid bounce.

as for shooting, it's definitely easier to shoot with a slightly deflated ball though. this helps both teams.

Euroleague
06-08-2015, 09:17 PM
I would say it still has an impact on the game.. Even using the same ball..

Playing with a slightly deflated ball would require small adjustments to how you dribble and shoot.. If once team has a lot more practice using this than the other is an obvious advantage

Again if one team was not aware the ball had been deflated then it's an obvious advantage to the team that does know


Saying it has no impact I think is being nieve

It's not being naive, it's simply exposing to everyone that they have an IQ below room temperature.

Euroleague
06-08-2015, 09:24 PM
This is a completely different scenario from Deflategate. The game ball is used by both teams, whereas in the NFL each team has their own balls. Hold this L OP.

Yes it is. In Deflategate, no deflation actually occurred to the balls except for what took place outside in the weather. But you would actually have to be able to read and do basic math to be aware of that (as in read the Wells report and do math of it). Instead of just listen to what some reporter told you was in it.

So yes, totally different scenario.

Here, the balls actually were deflated, according to what Shaq and Jackson said, at the court.

So yes, totally different scenario indeed.

Still relevant though, as ball deflation occurred during games of championship runs.

WTF exactly is your point?

Relinquish
06-08-2015, 10:25 PM
Doesnt really matter since shaq already had a huge advantage inside.. now he gets to use deflated balls ? lol.. imagine dunking nerf balls. Thats just a huge advantage for him since he wants to use minimal dribbles and hold onto the ball deep in the paint surrounded by swipes. .


Now imagine what it would do for someone like.. allen iverson. Wouldnt help him at all, would actually hurt.

He'd still be compromising things for his teammates, and the opposing bigs would be able to palm the ball easier as well. Your point?

ShackEelOKneel
06-08-2015, 11:21 PM
Shaq is a monster either way, but that would help prevent long rebounds.