Woman charged with murder for taking abortion pill at 5 1/2 months pregnant

[HitandRun Reggie]

3 months perfectly legal. You might even get a high five and a pat on the back by women's groups. 5 months and your facing the rest of your life in jail. Thoughts?

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ga-woman-takes-abortion-pill-baby-dies-article-1.2251963

A Georgia woman was charged with murder after she purchased an abortion pill online and used it to attempt to terminate a pregnancy already five and a half months along, police said.

Kenlissa Jones, 23, gave birth in a car on the way to a hospital Saturday night, shortly after taking Cytotec, which she purchased on the Internet from someone in Canada, WALB-TV reported. Abortions in Georgia are only allowed by law in the first trimester, unless carried out at a licensed medical facility.

The baby boy died 30 minutes after Jones arrived at a hospital in Albany, a southern Georgia city in Dougherty County.

[iamgine]

3 months perfectly legal. You might even get a high five and a pat on the back by women's groups. 5 months and your facing the rest of your life in jail. Thoughts?

That no way to think about it. There must be a cutoff point. And everyone can always say "1 second before cutoff point = okay, 1 second after = jail" no matter where the cutoff point is.

[Draz]

Abortion pill? Wtf

[nathanjizzle]

dumb. she should get atleast 5 years.

[Eric Cartman]

Should've waited for the little shit to be born and throwed it in the trash.

[Dresta]

That no way to think about it. There must be a cutoff point. And everyone can always say "1 second before cutoff point = okay, 1 second after = jail" no matter where the cutoff point is.
The only logical, scientific cutoff point is conception. 2 months, or 5 months, what's the difference? There isn't any - the aborted two month baby will be 5 months old in a further 3 months provided someone doesn't abort it to give themselves an easier life, a more 'planned' life, one that completely resolves around their own wants and needs, at the expense of others; and ironically, this is usually among the same kind of people who think altruism the key principle of good government.

[iamgine]

The only logical, scientific cutoff point is conception. 2 months, or 5 months, what's the difference? There isn't any - the aborted two month baby will be 5 months old in a further 3 months provided someone doesn't abort it to give themselves an easier life, a more 'planned' life, one that completely resolves around their own wants and needs, at the expense of others; and ironically, this is usually among the same kind of people who think altruism the key principle of good government.
That's not logical from practicality point of view though.

[Take Your Lumps]

The only logical, scientific cutoff point is conception.

No. The only logical, scientific cutoff point is when the fetus shows brain activity.

Just like the only logical, scientific cutoff point for human life is when brain activity ceases.

[Godzuki]

every pro life supporter should be signed up in a waiting line to adopt the next abandoned baby otherwise they shouldn't be able to force their moral values on others. its ridiculous they just want to sit on a couch and tell people whats right and wrong without helping their own cause or willing to support it.

i bet it'd be less of a issue if pro life people just took ownership of the child after birth and were willing to raise it, no strings attached. and the birth mother allowed to remain anon.

but no that would inconvenience them too much to support their moral stance :rolleyes:

[BlakFrankWhite]

@Godzuki

You haven't answered the question.

Should the mother be punished for killing the baby?

[Godzuki]

@Godzuki

You haven't answered the question.

Should the mother be punished for killing the baby?


baby isn't born yet so no

[GOBB]

Charges were dropped, she is free.

[Jameerthefear]

So what's the issue here? Seems like a fair ruling.

[NumberSix]

baby isn't born yet so no

Say if instead of her taking this abortion pill, someone else slips into her coffee or something. When the baby is killed, is the person who slipped the abortion pill in her drink guilty of some sort of crime? I mean, apparently it's not a real person, and it's perfectly legal to kill it.

[highwhey]

Who the fck is this sick person going around slipping abortion pills into coffee?
It's a drug used to prevent ulcers caused by drugs like ibuprofen(advil) or naproxen (aleve)

[Dresta]

No. The only logical, scientific cutoff point is when the fetus shows brain activity.

Just like the only logical, scientific cutoff point for human life is when brain activity ceases.
I've never heard a more absurd thing in my life. You, sir, are a first class imbecile. The 'brain' is not the only part of a human being, and the characteristics that go up to make a human being, are imprinted long before this incredibly loosely defined thing called 'brain activity' comes into play. There would be no difference to you whether you your mother had you sucked out at 3 weeks, or 30 weeks; either way, you wouldn't be here. No logical difference - get that. It's not my fault you can't think logically.

[Jameerthefear]

I've never heard a more absurd thing in my life. You, sir, are a first class imbecile. The 'brain' is not the only part of a human being, and the characteristics that go up to make a human being, are imprinted long before this incredibly loosely defined thing called 'brain activity' comes into play. There would be no difference to you whether you your mother had you sucked out at 3 weeks, or 30 weeks; either way, you wouldn't be here. No logical difference - get that. It's not my fault you can't think logically.
Shut the **** you old ass blowhard

[Akrazotile]

The only logical, scientific cutoff point is conception. 2 months, or 5 months, what's the difference? There isn't any - the aborted two month baby will be 5 months old in a further 3 months provided someone doesn't abort it to give themselves an easier life, a more 'planned' life, one that completely resolves around their own wants and needs, at the expense of others; and ironically, this is usually among the same kind of people who think altruism the key principle of good government.


Conception or birth. Anything in between seems arbitrary, those two at least have some logical basis IMO.

From a practical social standpoint, on an overpopulated planet, with studies showing what long odds kids born to parents like "Kenlissa" are facing, I have absolutely no problem with this girl doing this.

These girls who are completely unprepared to raise kids should be allowed to terminate anything all the way up to birth. It's actually much, much better for society, no matter how distasteful one may find abortion to be.

I wouldn't support aborting a child I conceived, even if by accident, because I'd rather just make sure I'm ready to raise it in nine months and go ahead and bring a supported and cared-for child into the world, but these other people who aren't gonna take care of their kids? Please, go ahead and terminate. I've got no problem with it.

[bdreason]

I have no problem with abortion, but when you start talking about babies who are already 6+ months developed, the subject gets a little gray for me. Once a baby hits around 6 months, technically it could survive on it's own (premature birth). I believe there should be some type of punishment for someone who chooses to wait 6 months, and then kill their baby... certainly not a murder charge though. Maybe some kind of manslaughter charge would be more appropriate.

[KiiiiNG]

I have no problem with abortion, but when you start talking about babies who are already 6+ months developed, the subject gets a little gray for me. Once a baby hits around 6 months, technically it could survive on it's own (premature birth). I believe there should be some type of punishment for someone who chooses to wait 6 months, and then kill their baby... certainly not a murder charge though. Maybe some kind of manslaughter charge would be more appropriate.
hey bitch, your warriors down 2-1. we miss you in the nba forum. :cheers:

[Dresta]

Shut the **** you old ass blowhard
Pity you weren't aborted really.


I have no problem with abortion, but when you start talking about babies who are already 6+ months developed, the subject gets a little gray for me. Once a baby hits around 6 months, technically it could survive on it's own (premature birth). I believe there should be some type of punishment for someone who chooses to wait 6 months, and then kill their baby... certainly not a murder charge though. Maybe some kind of manslaughter charge would be more appropriate.
This argument has never made the slightest bit of sense to me: what does it matter whether the baby could survive outside of the womb? Just because something is less along the path of development, doesn't mean we have to kill it (we abort at such a rate, while at the same time we waste billions looking after and providing medical care to corpses who should've been dead long ago - a life at it's decrepit end is considered more important than new life - what a decadent culture; everyone desperately clinging to that last string of life, while championing the right to end the lives of humans who existed, but were denied even the chance to live, often through a horrific tube-sucking sucking procedure that if most people saw, they would think a little differently; and it is almost always conducted to make someone's (man or woman or both) lives easier ('oh, i'm not ready for a baby yet' - as life were just a calender); in effect, it is no different to killing your own child for the sake of your own convenience. Anyone who can have an abortion without extreme feelings of guilt is either a brainwashed moron, or a raging sociopath.

Deliberately killing a 6month old baby - how is that not murder? how warped a mind does someone have to have to think this not murder (how completely thoughtless and propagandised)? Would it not be murder if i went around maternity wards chopping up babies? Would the one's in incubators be particularly fair game?

If she tried to kill a 6 month old baby, and succeeded, then what the hell else could she be charged with other than murder? Who gives a **** whether it could 'survive on its own' - if you try to kill a defenceless human being (and succeed), then you are guilty of murder, as writ.

It all shows how flimsy your (and people like you) moralities are. The age at which the baby can survive outside the womb is decreasing, and likely will continue to do so because of new technological innovations, better at mimicking the environment of the womb. So when it is and is not right to kill a baby, by your logic, is completely determined by how advanced scientifically we are. That doesn't sound very moral do me. Nor do you notice the great big gaping hole in that argument: that no baby can survive outside the womb without care from others anyway - it is a pointless distinction - we don't allow people to leave their babies to starve to death just because it couldn't care for itself, do we?

[Droid101]

Dresta being a mindless blowhard as usual.

[nathanjizzle]

guys read this. conception is pretty amazing.


"Once fertilized, the egg, now called a zygote, immediately closes its outer membrane to the rest of the 250 (on average) sperm that have made it this far. Then it begins dividing into identical cells as it is swept down the fallopian tube to the uterus, where it will continue to grow."

[Thorpesaurous]

How bout once it has a social security number.

[HylianNightmare]

Poor boy