so lebron might break jordans ppg finals record....

[KiiiiNG]

while averaging 12 boards and 9 assists respectively.

gote

[oh the horror]

Let me know when that "gote" breaks Jordan's finals record in wins vs loses.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Let me know when that "gote" breaks Jordan's finals record in wins vs loses.
Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

[Fudge]

KiiiiNG JAMES.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Let me know when that "gote" breaks Jordan's finals record in wins vs loses.
1-9.

[Spurs m8]

6/6 BITCH

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

1-9.

So you think Lebron is better than Jordan.

Another star in your belt.

[scandisk_]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

wut? :oldlol:

[KiiiiNG]

gote

greatest of time EVER

lebron = gote

41/12/9

what the ****? :roll:

jordan could never do this shit folks.

[J Shuttlesworth]

wut? :oldlol:
Did MJ win a finals game without another all star? He had Pippen or Rodman or Horace for every finals game right?

[Aiolos]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

That ether:roll:

[Poetry]

while averaging 12 boards and 9 assists respectively.

gote

LeBron's shooting 40% from the field for the series and he's also taken 40 freethrows in 3 games (MJ took 49 in 6 games).

[Magic 32]

gote

greatest of time EVER

lebron = gote

41/12/9

what the ****? :roll:

jordan could never do this shit folks.


http://s1.postimg.org/5z696pjtb/fhjk.png

[KembaWalker]

gote

greatest of time EVER

lebron = gote

41/12/9

what the ****? :roll:

jordan could never do this shit folks.

Theoo is that you? :biggums:

[oh the horror]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

Oh is that the narrative you're all adopting now?


You kids breakdancing all over the place these days. It's hard pinpoint which point you're going to stick with and which one you'll drop and spin around out of.



Don't hurt yourself though.



6/6



No matter what happens he won't ever break that. Remember that :yaohappy:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Oh is that the narrative you're all adopting now?


You kids breakdancing all over the place these days. It's hard pinpoint which point you're going to stick with and which one you'll drop and spin around out of.



Don't hurt yourself though.



6/6



No matter what happens he won't ever break that. Remember that :yaohappy:
Nobody gives a **** about finals losses. You think MJ losing in the first round is some kind of accomplishment opposed to consistently willing your team to the finals :roll:

LeBron will probably retire like 8/12 and MJ will be an after thought.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://s1.postimg.org/5z696pjtb/fhjk.png
Pace. First 3 games of that series were faster paced.

[Straight_Ballin]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

Let us know when LBJ gets a win without colluding or joining a team with 3 #1 picks 3 seasons in a row. We can play this game all day. Bottom line is that if cavs win this series, Bron moves to 5-6 on all time list and everyone should be happy about it. Still only 30 and could go further.

[Magic 32]

Pace. First 3 games of that series were faster paced.

But they played defense.

And played a system.

Other played touched the ball.

[KiiiiNG]

lebron is doing this with a first year head coach and matthew delleveodoenaroa as his second option.

jordan had a good run, but lebron is a better player and leader. period.

[Magic 32]

jordan had a good run, but lebron is a better player and leader. period.

Yet somehow 3 losses away from 2-6.

[DonDadda59]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

'91 & '98


jordan could never do this shit folks.

:biggums:

He had plenty of playoff series that were comparable/better and entire seasons putting up 37 PPG and 33/8/8 while playing (and winning) DPOY defense.

[oh the horror]

lebron is doing this with a first year head coach and matthew delleveodoenaroa as his second option.

jordan had a good run, but lebron is a better player and leader. period.




You'll have to try harder than that.


We still haven't forgotten that one finals game where he scored 8 pts total a few years ago.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

But they played defense.

And played a system.

Other played touched the ball.


1993 Suns DTRG: 106.7 (9th in the league)

2015 Warriors: 101.4 (1st)

[scandisk_]

Yet somehow 3 losses away from 2-6.

With the warriors playing shit collectively, no, that's not the case. I'm thinkin backdoor sweep

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You'll have to try harder than that.


We still haven't forgotten that one finals game where he scored 8 pts total a few years ago.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

[scandisk_]

'91 & '98



:biggums:



those doesn't count, pip was an all star in 90, 92, 93, 96, 97 they say :lol

[KiiiiNG]

You'll have to try harder than that.


We still haven't forgotten that one finals game where he scored 8 pts total a few years ago.
jordan could never lead a team like this to the ship

lebrons playmaking ability sets him apart. his size, and the confidence he instills in his teammates, his rebounding abilities, his swarming defense (better than jordans when hes locked in)....

when hes aggressive like this no one can stop him.

you can live in 2011... maybe you got laid in 2011 and it makes you feel better to live there.

for us in the here and now, watching lebron lead the cavs against the 67 win warriors.... we know the truth.

we're gonna applaud him. i saw jordan play. he was never THIS good. he could never do THIS.

[TheMan]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star
91 and 98 :confusedshrug:

In 91 Pippen wasn't in All Star, in fact, MJ was the Bulls only All Star that year...in 98, Pippen hurt his back midway throught those Finals, hardly played in GM 6 and was basically just a decoy yet MJ led the Bulls to victory...as a 35 year old.

[DonDadda59]

those doesn't count, pip was an all star in 90, 92, 93, 96, 97 they say :lol

Dude had back surgery in '98 and missed half the season and Rodman was 36 years old. 35 year old MJ still got it done. Wasn't just iso-ing every time down the court and facing Karl Malone chucking 3s either :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

jordan could never lead a team like this to the ship

lebrons playmaking ability sets him apart. his size, and the confidence he instills in his teammates, his rebounding abilities, his swarming defense (better than jordans when hes locked in)....

when hes aggressive like this no one can stop him.

you can live in 2011... maybe you got laid in 2011 and it makes you feel better to live there.

for us in the here and now, watching lebron lead the cavs against the 67 win warriors.... we know the truth.

we're gonna applaud him. i saw jordan play. he was never THIS good. he could never do THIS.

Exquisite post.

[Keno]

if lebron wins the ring averaging this crazy ass statline, my goodness. the greatest to ever lace them up.

[oh the horror]

Nobody gives a **** about finals losses. You think MJ losing in the first round is some kind of accomplishment opposed to consistently willing your team to the finals :roll:

LeBron will probably retire like 8/12 and MJ will be an after thought.



Oh is THAT now the narrative? Now no one cares about finals loses. So we can just go ahead and forget lebrons HORRENDOUS loses in the finals because they don't count now


Wowwwwwww


You guys are unf*cking real dude. :oldlol:



The shit keeps changing to support whatever the hell point you dudes wanna make at the time

[TheMan]

Did MJ win a finals game without another all star? He had Pippen or Rodman or Horace for every finals game right?
Not in 91:no:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Oh is THAT now the narrative? Now no one cares about finals loses. So we can just go ahead and forget lebrons HORRENDOUS loses in the finals because they don't count now


Wowwwwwww


You guys are unf*cking real dude. :oldlol:



The shit keeps changing to support whatever the hell point you dudes wanna make at the time

Explain to me why a 3 finals losses are worse than 3 first round losses without using the words "big stage" or some other corny tagline - use only logic.

[KiiiiNG]

Explain to me why a 3 finals losses are worse than 3 first round losses without using the words "big stage" or some other corny tagline - use only logic.
what lebron is proving now is that he gives you a shot at a title no matter WHO his teammates are.

you could never say that for jordan. yes, jordan capitalized with his stacked team.

but lebron is proving for the first time in modern era basketball history that he can lead a team to a title without great players around him.

and a first year coach.

lebron is a better leader than jordan too. which matters.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Not in 91:no:
What? 3 of these guys have been all stars in their prospective careers, all were in their primes

http://i.imgur.com/MK6GOBU.png

[scandisk_]

What? 3 of these guys have been all stars in their prospective careers, all were in their primes

http://i.imgur.com/MK6GOBU.png

Well technically Pip and Grant weren't all-stars in 91 and 98 too. Unless you've got another definition for an all-star.

[Mrofir]

LeBron will probably retire like 8/12 and MJ will be an after thought.



Seeing as how LeBron would have to win 6 in a row, starting with this one, to finish 8/12.... sure, he'd be goat if he did that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Well technically Pip and Grant weren't all-stars in 91 and 98 too. Unless you've got another definition for an all-star.
I'm saying players who have been or became all stars in their careers.

Either way, you can't really be comparing having prime Pippe/Grant to having Dellevadova/JR Smith, right? :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Seeing as how LeBron would have to win 6 in a row, starting with this one, to finish 8/12.... sure, he'd be goat if he did that.
If he wins this one, he'd have to go 5/6 to go 8/12.

With Irving entering his prime, and Kevin Love? I'm gonna say it's a possibility.

[DonDadda59]

Jordan could never do that :(

Jordan '88 vs Cavs: 45.2 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG, 63.2 TS%)

Jordan '89 vs Cavs: 39.8 PPG/ 5.8 RPG/ 8.2 APG/ 3 SPG (52% FG, 59.8 TS %)

Jordan '89 vs NYK: 35.7 PPG/ 9.5 RPG/ 8.3 APG/ 2.5 SPG/ 1.3 BPG (55% FG, 64.6 TS%)

Jordan '90 vs MIL: 36.8 PPG/ 8 RPG/ 7 APG/ 2.5 SPG/ 1 BPG (54% FG, 59.9 TS%)

Jordan '90 vs PHI: 43 PPG/ 6.6 RPG/ 7.4 APG/ 4 SPG/ 1.2 BPG (54.8% FG, 61.6 TS%)

Jordan '92 vs MIA: 45 PPG/ 9.7 RPG/ 6.7 APG/ 3 SPG/ 1 BPG (60.9% FG, 66.8 TS%)

Jordan '93 vs PHX: 41 PPG/ 8.5 RPG/ 6.3 APG/ 1.7 SPG (50.8% FG, 55.8 TS%)

And that's within a real offensive system and not pure iso on 1 on 1 defense with no real help.

Kids SMH.

[Rocketswin2013]

91 and 98 :confusedshrug:

In 91 Pippen wasn't in All Star, in fact, MJ was the Bulls only All Star that year...in 98, Pippen hurt his back midway throught those Finals, hardly played in GM 6 and was basically just a decoy yet MJ led the Bulls to victory...as a 35 year old.
Kukoc shits on whoever you consider LeBron's second option. Let's be serious here.

Also, in '91 Pippen was basically a freaking all-star. Stop the pedantry.

[Mrofir]

If he wins this one, he'd have to go 5/6 to go 8/12.

With Irving entering his prime, and Kevin Love? I'm gonna say it's a possibility.


And if that happens he will deserve his spot in the pantheon.

[scandisk_]

I'm saying players who have been or became all stars in their careers.

Either way, you can't really be comparing having prime Pippe/Grant to having Dellevadova/JR Smith, right? :lol

Without hindsight? Pip wasn't the Pip we know back in 88-90. What if TT or Moz earned an star status next year playing along side bron and years to come? We check the history books and say yep bron played with another all star back in 2015. Right?

[KiiiiNG]

Without hindsight? Pip wasn't the Pip we know back in 88-90. What if TT or Moz earned an star status next year playing along side bron and years to come? We check the history books and say yep bron played with another all star back in 2015. Right?
because tt and mozgov have a legit shot to wind up a top 50 all-time player?

:roll:

if tt or mozgov EVER make an all star game it will be because they play with lebron and the attention that comes with it.

stop with this fairy tale shit. you've seen space jam one too many times bro.

[iTare]

Jordan could never do that :(

Jordan '88 vs Cavs: 45.2 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG, 63.2 TS%)

Jordan '89 vs Cavs: 39.8 PPG/ 5.8 RPG/ 8.2 APG/ 3 SPG (52% FG, 59.8 TS %)

Jordan '89 vs NYK: 35.7 PPG/ 9.5 RPG/ 8.3 APG/ 2.5 SPG/ 1.3 BPG (55% FG, 64.6 TS%)

Jordan '90 vs MIL: 36.8 PPG/ 8 RPG/ 7 APG/ 2.5 SPG/ 1 BPG (54% FG, 59.9 TS%)

Jordan '90 vs PHI: 43 PPG/ 6.6 RPG/ 7.4 APG/ 4 SPG/ 1.2 BPG (54.8% FG, 61.6 TS%)

Jordan '92 vs MIA: 45 PPG/ 9.7 RPG/ 6.7 APG/ 3 SPG/ 1 BPG (60.9% FG, 66.8 TS%)

Jordan '93 vs PHX: 41 PPG/ 8.5 RPG/ 6.3 APG/ 1.7 SPG (50.8% FG, 55.8 TS%)

And that's within a real offensive system and not pure iso on 1 on 1 defense with no real help.

Kids SMH.
I don't understand, Those stats still aren't as impressive as what LeBron is doing with this hobbled, shallow team. Dude is almost averaging a 40 point triple double and getting W's, isn't that what matters, bro? You think having all the attention of the Warriors defense is easy? You don't think the man is tired of doing so much? Get a grip dude, you're a good guy.

Take it easy.

[Magic 32]

I don't understand, Those stats still aren't as impressive as what LeBron is doing with this hobbled, shallow team. Dude is almost averaging a 40 point triple double and getting W's, isn't that what matters, bro? You think having all the attention of the Warriors defense is easy? You don't think the man is tired of doing so much? Get a grip dude, you're a good guy.

Take it easy.

Almost everything is a half lie in this post.

[scandisk_]

because tt and mozgov have a legit shot to wind up a top 50 all-time player?

:roll:

if tt or mozgov EVER make an all star game it will be because they play with lebron and the attention that comes with it.

stop with this fairy tale shit. you've seen space jam one too many times bro.

says the alt who's too damn afraid to post with his main acct.

funny :oldlol:

[KiiiiNG]

says the alt who's too damn afraid to post with his main acct.

funny :oldlol:
says the dumbass that doesnt realize my main account, "Im Still Ballin", is banned.

:oldlol:

I have no other choice than to use this account.

you're going off topic because i sprayed your stupid point with hazardous levels of rat poison.

[BigBoss]

Let me know when that "gote" breaks Jordan's finals record in wins vs loses.

http://i.tvynovelas.com/dam/mx/Notas/14/06/Antonio_banderas.gif

[DonDadda59]

Without hindsight? Pip wasn't the Pip we know back in 88-90. What if TT or Moz earned an star status next year playing along side bron and years to come? We check the history books and say yep bron played with another all star back in 2015. Right?

Goal posts, thou art moved.


I don't understand, Those stats still aren't as impressive as what LeBron is doing with this hobbled, shallow team.

A lot of those series were during the 80s when Jordan was playing with shit teams. Unless you're one of the idiots who believe Pippen averaging 8 PPG coming off the bench carried MJ that season.


Dude is almost averaging a 40 point triple double and getting W's, isn't that what matters, bro?

And all of the series I posted were wins by Jordan's team, including a finals win. :confusedshrug:


You think having all the attention of the Warriors defense is easy? You don't think the man is tired of doing so much? Get a grip dude, you're a good guy.


:roll:

Dude is going 100% pure iso because the Warriors strategy is to 'let him get his'. They're playing single coverage on him with Harrison f*cking Barnes and usually not sending any help.

Are you even watching the games?

I like the aggressiveness Bron is playing with, but I've never seen a player absolutely dominate the ball this much and play pure isolation basketball. He's putting up Iversonian scoring numbers. It's all pure volume.

[BigBoss]

says the dumbass that doesnt realize my main account, "Im Still Ballin", is banned.

:oldlol:

I have no other choice than to use this account.

you're going off topic because i sprayed your stupid point with hazardous levels of rat poison.

I'm Still Ballin/Dubeta/Kiiing/J Shuttleworth

Starting to think LeBron family is one person.

[KiiiiNG]

I'm Still Ballin/Dubeta/Kiiing/J Shuttleworth

Starting to think LeBron family is one person.
i'm not dubeta and im not shuttlesworth.

:confusedshrug:

i have nothing to hide. never have. we've all seen the pics. :pimp:

[iTare]

Goal posts, thou art moved.



A lot of those series were during the 80s when Jordan was playing with shit teams. Unless you're one of the idiots who believe Pippen averaging 8 PPG coming off the bench carried MJ that season.



And all of the series I posted were wins by Jordan's team, including a finals win. :confusedshrug:



Stop this, you're too smart for this.
:roll:

Dude is going 100% pure iso because the Warriors strategy is to 'let him get his'. They're playing single coverage on him with Harrison f*cking Barnes and usually not sending any help.

Are you even watching the games?

I like the aggressiveness Bron is playing with, but I've never seen a player absolutely dominate the ball this much and play pure isolation basketball. He's putting up Iversonian scoring numbers. It's all pure volume.
Stop it, you're too smart for this!

[scandisk_]

says the dumbass that doesnt realize my main account, "Im Still Ballin", is banned.

:oldlol:

I have no other choice than to use this account.

you're going off topic because i sprayed your stupid point with hazardous levels of rat poison.

yeah right :oldlol:

[Smook A.]

I don't want anyone to take this post the wrong way. LeBron is playing absolutely incredible and he's carrying his team against the freaking Warriors without Love and Irving. That's amazing. He's averaging monster numbers, BUT some people aren't even bringing up that he's shooting 40% from the field and averaging 36 shot attempts in those 3 games. I understand that fatigue catches up to players, including LeBron, so it definitely gets harder for him to score in the end considering the amount of minutes he's had to play. He's been averaging 47 mpg which is crazy.

[KiiiiNG]

yeah right :oldlol:
dude im shitting all over your 3rd grade theories and logic :roll:

seriously, just take the L and save yourself the further embarrassment before i piss on your clothes and put a lighter to em.

[scandisk_]

dude im shitting all over your 3rd grade theories and logic :roll:

seriously, just take the L and save yourself the further embarrassment before i piss on your clothes and put a lighter to em.

whatever makes you sleep better at night boss :banana:

[Hulk]

http://giant.gfycat.com/DisguisedThornyChinesecrocodilelizard.gif

Lebron is a beast...I wonder if I will live long enough to see the Warriors win a championship.:facepalm

[Magic 32]

Just to remind people.

22 years old

3 road games

Playing peak Webber and Duncan.

More efficent, more points, more wins.

http://s11.postimg.org/9eju02p83/ghjhgj.png

But somehow not historic. lol

[oh the horror]

Goal posts, thou art moved.



A lot of those series were during the 80s when Jordan was playing with shit teams. Unless you're one of the idiots who believe Pippen averaging 8 PPG coming off the bench carried MJ that season.



And all of the series I posted were wins by Jordan's team, including a finals win. :confusedshrug:




:roll:

Dude is going 100% pure iso because the Warriors strategy is to 'let him get his'. They're playing single coverage on him with Harrison f*cking Barnes and usually not sending any help.

Are you even watching the games?

I like the aggressiveness Bron is playing with, but I've never seen a player absolutely dominate the ball this much and play pure isolation basketball. He's putting up Iversonian scoring numbers. It's all pure volume.




Straight facts

[pastis]

and kobe stans called irving the real alpha...:lol :lol

btw: dellavedova played such a great def.... best def effort ive seen in my nba watching career =D (since 2005 =D)

[KiiiiNG]

and kobe stans called irving the real alpha...:lol :lol

btw: dellavedova played such a great def.... best def effort ive seen in my nba watching career =D (since 2005 =D)
they thought love and irving going down was FANTASTIC. "2/6, 2/6/, 2/6"

little did they know lebron would average 41/12/8 and have a 2-1 series lead. :roll:

2015: end of kobe stans

lebron this finals is like the meteor that hit earth and killed the dinosaurs. none of the kobe stans ever expected something like this.

and this is only the beginning. wait till the giant gas cloud surrounds this place after lebron wins.

the mixture will kill off any and every kobe stan. by 2016 kobe stans will be a thing of the past.

[plowking]

Dude is going 100% pure iso because the Warriors strategy is to 'let him get his'. They're playing single coverage on him with Harrison f*cking Barnes and usually not sending any help.

Are you even watching the games?


Harrison Barnes is a great defender, and so is Iggy, although overrated, he has done a great job on Bron.

How in the world do you consider a strategy where 3 to 4 defenders collapse on Bron in the key as "let him get his"? They are sending everyone at Bron because JR Smith is the only other guy that can beat them.

[Doranku]

they thought love and irving going down was FANTASTIC. "2/6, 2/6/, 2/6"

little did they know lebron would average 41/12/8 and have a 2-1 series lead. :roll:

2015: end of kobe stans

lebron this finals is like the meteor that hit earth and killed the dinosaurs. none of the kobe stans ever expected something like this.

and this is only the beginning. wait till the giant gas cloud surrounds this place after lebron wins.

the mixture will kill off any and every kobe stan. by 2016 kobe stans will be a thing of the past.

What do you mean? All LeBron stans ever harp on is FG% and chucking when it comes to Kobe.

Yet here were are. LeBron is scoring on worse efficiency than pretty much every version of playoff Kobe there ever was and also taking more shots than Kobe ever has in a playoff series.

Yet his team is up 2-1 despite being heavily overmatched. Who woulda thought, being super aggressive and imposing your will offensively really can lead to winning basketball just like Kobe stans have been saying the whole time. :oldlol:

The one argument you LeBron family losers has is evaporating before your very own eyes... at the hands of your idol, no less. :roll:

[DonDadda59]

Harrison Barnes is a great defender, and so is Iggy, although overrated, he has done a great job on Bron.

Barnes is too small to guard LeBron and he is getting absolutely mauled out there, especially when he's left on an island on the left wing or in the post.

Iggy has done an excellent job on him though. Pretty much the only time Bron consistently has trouble scoring is when Andre is on him. Blatt ran some picks for Bron this game to get a switch defensively, get Andre off him and Curry/Livingston on Bron. Great strategy instead of the usual pure iso they've been running.


How in the world do you consider a strategy where 3 to 4 defenders collapse on Bron in the key as "let him get his"? They are sending everyone at Bron because JR Smith is the only other guy that can beat them.

Don't know what game you guys are watching, but they are leaving Barnes and whoever else picks up Bron on an island defensively. The only time you see them collapsing is on drives late.

Why do you think Bron Bron is chucking like it's going out of style? He's taking what they're giving him. The Dubs players and coaches haven't hidden their agenda defensively either- they want Bron taking 30+ shots while they attempt to limit the other guys' output.

[KiiiiNG]

What do you mean? All LeBron stans ever harp on is FG% and chucking when it comes to Kobe.

Yet here were are. LeBron is scoring on worse efficiency than pretty much every version of playoff Kobe there ever was and also taking more shots than Kobe ever has in a playoff series.

Yet his team is up 2-1 despite being heavily overmatched. Who woulda thought, being super aggressive and imposing your will offensively really can lead to winning basketball just like Kobe stans have been saying the whole time. :oldlol:

The one argument you LeBron family losers has is evaporating before your very own eyes... at the hands of your idol, no less. :roll:
sorry i dont speak carried by shaq and pau.

lebron is the leader in all of the major categories, kobe was just a chucker.

"the one argument..."

ONE?! there's only ONE argument for lebron? :roll: :roll:

btw bitch, lebron surpasses kobe in finals mvps this month. 4 mvps to 1.

winning with ZERO all stars and a rookie head coach.

:lol

do you speak ether by chance?

[warriorfan]

Harrison Barnes is a great defender, and so is Iggy, although overrated, he has done a great job on Bron.

How in the world do you consider a strategy where 3 to 4 defenders collapse on Bron in the key as "let him get his"? They are sending everyone at Bron because JR Smith is the only other guy that can beat them.

Iguodala is an elite defender, Barnes is a few tier below, he is a slightly above average defender.

[Doranku]

sorry i dont speak carried by shaq and pau.

lebron is the leader in all of the major categories, kobe was just a chucker.

"the one argument..."

ONE?! there's only ONE argument for lebron? :roll: :roll:

btw bitch, lebron surpasses kobe in finals mvps this month. 4 mvps to 1.

winning with ZERO all stars and a rookie head coach.

:lol

do you speak ether by chance?

:lol You're going to look really stupid if the Cavs lose this series.

btw neither of LeBron's rings count right now, carried by Wade/Bosh which is a much better tandem than Gasol/??? :oldlol:

2 > 1 in a month even if LeBron wins, bitch

[plowking]

Iguodala is an elite defender, Barnes is a few tier below, he is a slightly above average defender.

This series is the first time I've ever I've seen Iggy do a good job on Bron.

[Mr Feeny]

I'm saying players who have been or became all stars in their careers.

Either way, you can't really be comparing having prime Pippe/Grant to having Dellevadova/JR Smith, right? :lol

This is by far the dumbest argument I've read all week here. In that case, Lebron should have won in 2010 because he had a 37 year old Shaq who was not just an all star but a transcendent superstar at some point.

Do you guys even think before you post?

[JohnFreeman]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star
Damn

[J Shuttlesworth]

This is by far the dumbest argument I've read all week here. In that case, Lebron should have won in 2010 because he had a 37 year old Shaq who was not just an all star but a transcendent superstar at some point.

Do you guys even think before you post?
Grant/Pippen were in their prime though. There's a giant difference. Just because they weren't all stars that year, doesn't mean they weren't great help.

[Sarcastic]

Let us know when MJ get a win in the finals without an all star

1991 and 1998.

Too easy.

[Mr Feeny]

Grant/Pippen were in their prime though. There's a giant difference. Just because they weren't all stars that year, doesn't mean they weren't great help.

You're usually a solid poster. Let's be reasonable here. How could we possibly argue that Pippen or Grant were in their prime if they weren't considered all stars yet?

I'd argue that winning the first title gave them the confidence and self belief which elevated their play significantly and resulted in the players we enjoyed in the mid 90's. But Pippen in 91 was simply not the 93-96 Pippen who was mentally strong as a rock and physically intimidating enough to bang on the block when needed be. Grant simply wasn't that great to begin with. 91, or later on. And was famously held to 0 pts 1 rebounds 0 assists 0 blocks 0 steals by Rodman in the first game of the 96 sweep when they went mano y mano.

If you were to argue about those middle years, we're all with you. They were legitimate superstars (Pippen during the middle 6 or 7 years) and Rodman in the first two years atleast. But in 1991? Come on.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The term "all-star" means nothing. '91 Scottie Pippen was definitely an extremely high impact player.

[SexSymbol]

His PPG is inflated because of the constant one on one defense played on him throughout three games, he doesn't get doubled and doesn't even reveice help defense while driving some of the time, so it makes it much much easier for him to score.
Last time Kobe had full one on one treatment in his prime, he dropped 81

[Quickening]

His PPG is inflated because of the constant one on one defense played on him throughout three games, he doesn't get doubled and doesn't even reveice help defense while driving some of the time, so it makes it much much easier for him to score.
Last time Kobe had full one on one treatment in his prime, he dropped 81

Kobe recieved 1v1 defence for the ajority of his time with shaq, he must have had lots of 40 point games in the finals :lol :roll:

[SexSymbol]

Kobe recieved 1v1 defence for the ajority of his time with shaq, he must have had lots of 40 point games in the finals :lol :roll:
That is absolutely not true at all. Please watch the games.

[Quickening]

That is absolutely not true at all. Please watch the games.

It is true, please watch the games

[TheMan]

I don't understand, Those stats still aren't as impressive as what LeBron is doing with this hobbled, shallow team. Dude is almost averaging a 40 point triple double and getting W's, isn't that what matters, bro? You think having all the attention of the Warriors defense is easy? You don't think the man is tired of doing so much? Get a grip dude, you're a good guy.

Take it easy.
The Warriors are refusing to double up on LeBron :confusedshrug: Are you watching the same games I'm watching? They're letting him get his and staying with the role players, that's why LeBron is ISOing so much, because he working 1 on 1.

Look, I'm not trying to take anything away from LeBron, he's having a monster series, but he's still shooting horribly and so he's jacking up a ton of shots to reach those numbers and getting a ton of FTs to boot. He's shot more times in these first three Finals games than Jordan has ever in any of his first three Finals games. I understand he has, especially when KI went out and I give him a lot of credit for it, I love that he's being so aggressive but let's wait and see how those numbers look and who wins this series before we start all this GOAT stats talk. LeBron himself even said he wasn't sure he could keep up this level all series long :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

LeBron is a Machine. He's playing like the best player in NBA History.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Md2Q8iWCI

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan could never do that :(

Jordan '88 vs Cavs: 45.2 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG, 63.2 TS%)

Jordan '89 vs Cavs: 39.8 PPG/ 5.8 RPG/ 8.2 APG/ 3 SPG (52% FG, 59.8 TS %)

Jordan '89 vs NYK: 35.7 PPG/ 9.5 RPG/ 8.3 APG/ 2.5 SPG/ 1.3 BPG (55% FG, 64.6 TS%)

Jordan '90 vs MIL: 36.8 PPG/ 8 RPG/ 7 APG/ 2.5 SPG/ 1 BPG (54% FG, 59.9 TS%)

Jordan '90 vs PHI: 43 PPG/ 6.6 RPG/ 7.4 APG/ 4 SPG/ 1.2 BPG (54.8% FG, 61.6 TS%)

Jordan '92 vs MIA: 45 PPG/ 9.7 RPG/ 6.7 APG/ 3 SPG/ 1 BPG (60.9% FG, 66.8 TS%)

Jordan '93 vs PHX: 41 PPG/ 8.5 RPG/ 6.3 APG/ 1.7 SPG (50.8% FG, 55.8 TS%)

And that's within a real offensive system and not pure iso on 1 on 1 defense with no real help.

Kids SMH.

Seriously. Gotta love how these kids can't see (or choose not to see) the difference in the way Lebron/the Cavs play and the way those Bulls and Jordan played. Go watch the '91-'97 Bulls - there would be LONG stretches where Jordan wouldn't even touch the ball. It wasn't like Lebron where he is holding the ball for 6-10+ seconds literally EVERY possession.

Prime Jordan guarded the same way James has been guarded this series puts up 40+/8+/7+ on far better percentages than Lebron. I'd wager 50+% FG/58+% TS.

[coin24]

LeBron is a Machine. He's playing like the best player in NBA History.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Md2Q8iWCI

I agree he is playing like Kobe isn't he? Giving no fu*ks and shooting the ball at a crappy %...
Leading his team to the win though, he has to shoot because the rest of the team can't really generate there own offense..
Sound familiar?:lol

[sd3035]

I wonder if Jordan shot better than 40% against single coverage :lol

Has another player ever missed at least 20 shots in 3 consecutive Finals games?

[KNOW1EDGE]

It would be very impressive if he did.

[Kingwillball]

His PPG is inflated because of the constant one on one defense played on him throughout three games, he doesn't get doubled and doesn't even reveice help defense while driving some of the time, so it makes it much much easier for him to score.
Last time Kobe had full one on one treatment in his prime, he dropped 81

Your dillusion is beyond help. Please stop comparing Kobe to lebron also as he never impacted a game the way lebron does.

[Roundball_Rock]

The game MJ stans play with 91' Pippen is hilarious. Their lame argument is that because Pippen was not considered an all-star in January of 91' that he was not considered to be an all-star performer during that season. The fact is after the 91' season he was so highly rated around the league that he was the 3rd or 4th player picked for the Dream Team (some accounts have him 3rd and others 4th behind David Robinson) and among the first group of "no brainer" picks. He put up 22/9/6 in the playoffs and 21/9/7 in the Finals. MJ stans want you to think he was just a really good role player in 91'.

Regarding 98', Pippen was considered an elite player universally but missed the all-star game simply because he played only a handful of games during the first half of the season. In the 98' Finals Pippen did get hurt but not before leading the Bulls to a 3-1 series lead, yet again, MJ stans act as if Mike won by himself.

To compare having prime Pippen, Grant to Smith and Delly is comical.

Why the constant mythology and deceit from MJ stans?

[Da_Realist]

Bird, McHale, Parish, Rodman, Salley, Mahorn, Barkley, Daugherty, Nance, Mourning, Ewing, Anthony Mason, Oakley, Karl Malone, Shaq, Horace Grant and Jayson Williams are not walking through that door. Golden State has no one that will secure the rebound and make Cleveland pay for Lebron missing so many shots.

It gives Lebron the license to shoot 35 times a game, miss 60% of them and still be able to lead Cleveland to a 2-1 series lead.

[HylianNightmare]

It would be very impressive if he did.
Agreed and that's all there is to it

[Poetry]

After tonight-

35.75/12/8.25
.388 FG/.333 3PT FG

Fantastic numbers overall :applause: but the FG% took a hit again:confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

After tonight-

35.75/12/8.25
.388 FG/.333 3PT FG

Fantastic numbers overall :applause: but the FG% took a hit again:confusedshrug:

He will end up with 30/10/8 on 35%

Meh.

[kennethgriffin]

After tonight-

35.75/12/8.25
.388 FG/.333 3PT FG

Fantastic numbers overall :applause: but the FG% took a hit again:confusedshrug:

so lebron shooting post achilles injury kobe shooting percentages is legendary these days ?

lebrons taking mostly just layups and floaters too... dude should be at 55+%

[Poetry]

He will end up with 30/10/8 on 35%

Meh.

I can still see him averaging 37-38 for the series. He's getting to the line a lot. He's already taken 50 free throws. MJ took 49 in 6 games during his series.

[scandisk_]

He will end up with 30/10/8 on 35%

Meh.

nah more like 36-38/10/8, you'd be an idiot to think that Lebron' not gonna fire on all cylinders these upcoming games.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

He's already taken 50 free throws. MJ took 49 in 6 games during his series.

And Bran stans wanna act like the refs never call fouls on the Warriors.

[DonDadda59]

Warriors show him something other than single coverage with Harrison Barnes and all of a sudden Bron ain't da GOAT no more :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

Warriors show him something other than single coverage with Harrison Barnes and all of a sudden Bron ain't da GOAT no more :lol


Only MJ killed double teams quickly by attacking the guy coming to double or fading away on the other side of the double... I give Lebron alot of credit for dictating the pace but tonight he didn't have the ball in his hands to do that... He should have played much better and keeps missing some bunnies..

[warriorfan]

no excuses

[dreamwarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gpxZSSPvxk