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NumberSix
06-10-2015, 08:49 PM
Should he? Even if GSW wins the series, which they almost certainly will, I can't see awarding Curry the FMVP over LeBron.

RoundMoundOfReb
06-10-2015, 08:49 PM
If it goes 7 maybe

Real14
06-10-2015, 08:50 PM
Hell no.

LAZERUSS
06-10-2015, 08:51 PM
Should he? Even if GSW wins the series, which they almost certainly will, I can't see awarding Curry the FMVP over LeBron.


If the games continue to play out as they have so far, and the Cavs lose in a tight seven games...

no doubt in my mind.

BUT, if the Warriors finally become the Warriors, and they rout the Cavs in the next three games...well, it won't be Lebron.

nba_55
06-10-2015, 08:51 PM
He is certainly the most valuable player on the floor by far, it's not even close.

smoovegittar
06-10-2015, 08:52 PM
No, because the only way Cleveland loses is if those splash boys start killing it from 3. And I don't see that happening. They've lost the killer look.

Derka
06-10-2015, 08:52 PM
maybe save the awards for when the series is over

LAZERUSS
06-10-2015, 08:53 PM
He is certainly the most valuable player on the floor by far, it's not even close.

Hell, I don't think the Warriors have had one player that would crack the Top-3 in the voting at this point. Delly and Mozgov, or perhaps Tristan, would all be ranked over any Warrior.

coin24
06-10-2015, 08:53 PM
If he was that valuable they win the series. Sorry but no losing team should have the FMVP

Fudge
06-10-2015, 08:53 PM
He certainly should.

Hell, i'd probably have Klay and Delly ahead of Curry in the FMVP race.

nba_55
06-10-2015, 08:54 PM
If he was that valuable they win the series. Sorry but no losing team should have the FMVP

:facepalm

Magic 32
06-10-2015, 09:00 PM
Well, his 21 misses per game could be valuable to the Warriors eventually.

Asukal
06-10-2015, 09:03 PM
If cavs win, delly should be fmvp. :rolleyes:

24-Inch_Chrome
06-10-2015, 09:05 PM
Right now...yes. There are still at least three more games to be played if he's going to lose though, so a lot could happen.

dreamwarrior
06-10-2015, 09:09 PM
Nah, it'd be a pointless award. I would hate to win FMVP is my team lost. If GSW wins it, it's going to be on Curry's or Barnes back. If either of those guys had shot well they'd be up 3-0.

KiiiiNG
06-10-2015, 09:09 PM
He certainly should.

Hell, i'd probably have Klay and Delly ahead of Curry in the FMVP race.
eff you in....


fun!

Jasper
06-10-2015, 10:03 PM
It has only happened once in NBA history if I recall.

I don't any reason to award it to a player that did not make his team better , or makes 3's.

MVP means he was the best player on the floor during the WHOLE SERIES(.)

ShawkFactory
06-10-2015, 10:13 PM
As of right now sure...but they're up. If golden state comes back it'll be because someone steps up huge, and they'll probably win.

Magic731
06-10-2015, 10:13 PM
It's James Harden vs Curry all over again. If GS win the series Curry will probably get it but is he really more valuable than Lebron? Or did he just have a better team?

plowking
06-10-2015, 10:20 PM
Kinda related, but James is a $1.70 favourite to win the FMVP despite the Warriors still being the favourite to take the title at $1.87. Curry is at $2.10 to win FMVP atm. So I guess he is considered a shot, even if they lose the series.

I put down a $50 bet on Cleveland to win the title at $6.50, and now I'm not sure whether to put down money on GSW now, or wait until after game 4. If I wait until after game 4, and GSW wins, I might not be guaranteed anything, since odds would plummet. But at the same time, if Cleveland wins, the bet probably goes up to 4 or 5 dollars to win for GSW, so it would be a better hedge.

JohnFreeman
06-10-2015, 10:23 PM
He should, but he won't

ShawkFactory
06-10-2015, 10:25 PM
As of right now sure...but they're up. If golden state comes back it'll be because someone steps up huge, and they'll probably win.

Dresta
06-10-2015, 11:40 PM
Taking the most shots = being the most valuable these days

oh, how things have changed :rolleyes:

The man has still only made more shots than he's missed once thus far throughout the entire playoffs, and simply because his team is winning, and competition is at an all time low, the media just will not get off his ****. It's really tiresome. Without Mosgov, Smith, and Schumpert they would've been bounced by the Bulls. Depth matters, and the Cavs have heaps of depth. Yet it always, always, has to all be about Lebron. Human beings are pathetic with their desperate need for hero-worship.

24-Inch_Chrome
06-10-2015, 11:41 PM
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:sleeping

Fudge
06-10-2015, 11:43 PM
Taking the most shots = being the most valuable these days

oh, how things have changed :rolleyes:

The man has still only made more shots than he's missed once thus far throughout the entire playoffs, and simply because his team is winning, and competition is at an all time low, the media just will not get off his ****. It's really tiresome. Without Mosgov, Smith, and Schumpert they would've been bounced by the Bulls. Depth matters, and the Cavs have heaps of depth. Yet it always, always, has to all be about Lebron. Human beings are pathetic with their desperate need for hero-worship.
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pauk
06-10-2015, 11:56 PM
Wont happen, even if Lebron averages 100-10-10-10-10 and takes it to Game7 & there hits what is/should be a gamewinner with 0.5 sec left and then David Lee heaves a circus 50 footer for the win at the buzzer....

99.9% of the FMVP's went to the winning team/players..... it doesnt go to the actual best player/performer, thats the stupid criteria, doing something else contradicts that big time.. the other 0.01% is the only contradiction that ever happened for some still unexplainable reason, with Jerry West... and i still dont understand why, ofcourse i get why, ofcourse i think the guy who performed the best should win the FMVP, but i dont get why he was the anomally and only once.... I mean there has been so many players who lost in Finals who should have easily won the FMVP for the same reason Jerry West did, even Jerry himself had many similar losses/performances before & after that FMVP in Finals, plenty of them, still no FMVP.. i dont get it... its like the NBA just went: "Feel bad for the logo, lets just gift him this"... no idea...

chazzy
06-11-2015, 12:04 AM
Wont happen, even if Lebron averages 100-10-10-10-10 and takes it to Game7 & there hits what is/should be a gamewinner with 0.5 sec left and then David Lee heaves a circus 50 footer for the win at the buzzer....

99.9% of the FMVP's went to the winning team/players..... it doesnt go to the actual best player/performer, thats the stupid criteria, doing something else contradicts that big time.. the other 0.01% is the only contradiction that ever happened for some still unexplainable reason, with Jerry West... and i still dont understand why, ofcourse i get why, ofcourse i think the guy who performed the best should win the FMVP, but i dont get why he was the anomally and only once.... I mean there has been so many players who lost in Finals who should have easily won the FMVP for the same reason Jerry West did, even Jerry himself had many similar losses/performances before & after that FMVP in Finals, plenty of them, still no FMVP.. i dont get it... its like the NBA just went: "Feel bad for the logo, lets just gift him this"... no idea...
It was the first time the award was given out

LikeABosh
06-11-2015, 12:06 AM
As the stats stand right now, absolutely. Lets pretend all the stats stay the same and GS ends up winning the series. Lebron averages 41/12/8. Who wins FMVP then? Klay Thompson averaging 23/5/1? If that happens the NBA minus well just officially stipulate that the FMVP goes to a player on the winning team. It's all a moot point because Cavs are up 2-1 and if GS were to win the series I'd imagine Lebron's numbers would dip while Curry's would go up.




Cavs in 6 tho. :D

pauk
06-11-2015, 12:13 AM
It was the first time the award was given out

I still dont get it... maybe they thought at first "FMVP should go to the best player, win or lose"....... and then went nah, screw that, forever.

Point is, the criteria now is very strictly "FMVP = the player from the winning team who performed best/had best stats in those 4-7 games".

What happened with Jerry West should be ignored, i ignore it at least... i mean in terms of what the criteria is/has been ever since that...

I dont like it, but its the way it is... happily the FMVP will often go to the actual best player that Finals as he will win the championship, but sometimes that doesnt happen if the team is not good/not played good enough as a unit to beat the opponent.... like we have seen last Finals....

sundizz
06-11-2015, 12:14 AM
Any smart betting man would do a parlay of the Warriors winning and Stephen Curry winning the FMVP. It's either both happen or neither happen. Definitely no in between. I wonder what the odds are on that? I'd bet $100 on that.

plowking
06-11-2015, 12:20 AM
Any smart betting man would do a parlay of the Warriors winning and Stephen Curry winning the FMVP. It's either both happen or neither happen. Definitely no in between. I wonder what the odds are on that? I'd bet $100 on that.

I feel stupid now for not betting Cavs to win and Bron to get Finals MVP... I saw good value at 6 bucks and a bit, and took it, instead of trying to be rational and think about it. I hardly ever bet, but you'd think I would have thought about it some more. Pretty sure Bron was like 6 bucks to win FMVP at that point too...

50 on a 6.50 is nice... but sure would have been nice to get a 50 on a multi of two 6 buck bets...

FML.

pauk
06-11-2015, 12:29 AM
Any smart betting man would do a parlay of the Warriors winning and Stephen Curry winning the FMVP. It's either both happen or neither happen. Definitely no in between. I wonder what the odds are on that? I'd bet $100 on that.

There can be an in between.... Keep in mind the FMVP is the player from the winning team who performed best/had best stats in those 4-7 games.... not for 10-20 games, not for the playoffs, not for the regular season, not for the entire year....... all you have to do is drop somewhat better stats than your ACTUAL best player of the team, that he had better stats/performance in 95% of all other games means crap.... Its only what you do in 4-7 games....

...and Klay Thompson is somebody who is definitely capable of dropping better stats than Curry in 4-7 games....

It has happened a couple of times before where a 2nd or even arguably a 3rd fiddle took the fmvp away from THE MAN of that team.... even Magic in his prime lost an fmvp to Worthy....

DMAVS41
06-11-2015, 12:32 AM
Of course.

Iggy has been the 2nd best player in this series and it's a distant 2nd to say the least.

Unless something drastically changes... Lebron will be fmvp.

TheCorporation
06-11-2015, 12:34 AM
Nah, it'd be a pointless award. I would hate to win FMVP is my team lost. If GSW wins it, it's going to be on Curry's or Barnes back. If either of those guys had shot well they'd be up 3-0.

Under almost any circumstance, yes, the award would go to someone on the winning team. But the fact that LeBron is doing so much with so little is indicative of an usual circumstance. It's at least worth mentioning. The truth is very apparent in this series, we see who the true MVP of the league is. No doubt.

pauk
06-11-2015, 12:34 AM
Guess what im trying to say is.... He should, but he wont...

navy
06-11-2015, 12:46 AM
Of course.

Iggy has been the 2nd best player in this series and it's a distant 2nd to say the least.

Unless something drastically changes... Lebron will be fmvp.
Curry will have the numbers regardless of what happens. Unless Klay goes nuts statistically , Curry will win FMVP. There have been plenty of instances where the most impactful player (IGGY, as this would be an awkward bloodbath if he wasnt there) doesnt win FMVP. I cant see that changing now.

BlazerRed
06-11-2015, 12:47 AM
So far, yes.. but there's still some games to go.

jayfan
06-11-2015, 12:15 PM
Kinda related, but James is a $1.70 favourite to win the FMVP despite the Warriors still being the favourite to take the title at $1.87.

That's because even if the Warriors do come back to win, their fmvp isn't clear cut. Could be Curry, could be Thompson. With the Cavs winning, it's very clear cut -James. Plus they're up a game.

SwayDizzle
06-11-2015, 12:17 PM
If it were just based on these three games, yes. I'm disappointed in Curry. He has not adjusted so far.

RoseCity07
06-11-2015, 12:29 PM
He should for playing one of the most stacked teams ever.

HurricaneKid
06-11-2015, 12:41 PM
Keep in min what Kawhi's first two games looked like last year. The series is just warming up. Far too early to give away FMVP...

Magic 32
06-11-2015, 01:22 PM
Someone will get the credit if Warriors wins 3 more games.

That person will get the FMVP.