If Bron manage to become 3/6...

[Real14]

...Then I will put him in my top 20.

How about you ISH?

[LAZERUSS]

...Then I will put him in my top 20.

How about you ISH?

Go ahead...

give us all this list of your's.

[smoovegittar]

...Then I will put him in my top 20.

How about you ISH?

Top 5 for me. Keeping it real. We haven't seen shit like this before..he got my attention game 3 (obviously :rolleyes: )

[nzahir]

...Then I will put him in my top 20.

How about you ISH?
autism at its finest

[24-Inch_Chrome]

6th or 7th.

Another ring after this one (assuming he gets one) will be top-5.

[MP.Trey]

He'd be the best #23 ever. So like 30th all time.

[nba_55]

Are you the same expert who predicted the Knicks would be a top 4 East team this year?


Your opinion is worth less than shit.

[Real14]

autism at its finest

Stop talking about yourself man.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Real14, post your list.

[Real14]

He'd be the best #23 ever. So like 30th all time.

REPORTED FOR STUPIDITY.

[nzahir]

Stop talking bad about me :(
Damn bruh you dont have to cry about it

[LAZERUSS]

REPORTED FOR STUPIDITY.

You might as well report yourself too, while you are at it, since you claimed that Lebron might crack your Top-20 if he goes on to win a title this year.

[Im so nba'd out]

OP didnt expect people to call his bluff lol.NAME 20 PPL WERE WAITING!

[RRR3]

If he somehow wins by a miracle this year,


1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Shaq
6. Bran
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Bird
11. Hakeem
12. TMac
13. Chalmers


















387. Melo

[MP.Trey]

REPORTED FOR STUPIDITY.
I like how LeBron > Jordan crosses your line of stupidity, but ranking Jordan below top 30 of all-time is passable. :lol

[Real14]

Top 5 for me. Keeping it real. We haven't seen shit like this before..he got my attention game 3 (obviously :rolleyes: )

Now you're going too far now man. How in the world somebody 3/6 who played on super stacked teams is going to be in your top 5?

[lilteapot]

OP didnt expect people to call his bluff lol.NAME 20 PPL WERE WAITING!
OP can't even name 20 NBA players

[Real14]

I like how LeBron > Jordan crosses your line of stupidity, but ranking Jordan below top 30 of all-time is passable. :lol
I ignored that last part because its beyond stupidity.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Still waiting on that list. Put up or shut up.

[Real14]

OP can't even name 20 NBA players
Yea right, you can't even name 20 girls that you know.

[RRR3]

Heat were injury plagued in 2012 (they were stacked then) and weren't exactly stacked in 2013 PLAYOFFS (Wade and Bosh struggled).

Current Cavs are LeBron and role players.

[nzahir]

Still waiting on that list. Put up or shut up.
We obviously know that there arent 20 names above him, there isnt even 10 so this list will be stupid af. He is already top 10, arguable top 5 win or lose this series, to me top 3-4 with a win

[RRR3]

Yea right, you can't even name 20 girls that you know.
Literally ever poster on this board could do that, it's not hard to remember people's names

[Real14]

Still waiting on that list. Put up or shut up.

Why these bron haters want to know my list so damn bad? People are that mad??

[Im so nba'd out]

Yea right, you can't even name 20 girls that you know.
https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/warriors-celebrate.gif

[24-Inch_Chrome]

We obviously know that there arent 20 names above him, there isnt even 10 so this list will be stupid af. He is already top 10, arguable top 5 win or lose this series, to me top 3-4 with a win

I just want to see his sorry attempt at finding 20 players to rank above Bron. :oldlol:

He's currently 9th for me, will be 6th/7th if they win.


Why these bron haters want to know my list so damn bad? People are that mad??

Basically admitting you don't have a list. Thanks for confirming what we all knew.

[zoom17]

Trolls like OP always gets the most replies on this site lol.

[lilteapot]

Yea right, you can't even name 20 girls that you know.

I can but why would I name them on this forum? In the meantime you're too shook to make up a top 20 list because you know you have no real knowledge of basketball.

[Real14]

Literally ever poster on this board could do that, it's not hard to remember people's names
I just said that because he said some dumb shit to me.

[Real14]

Trolls like OP always gets the most replies on this site lol.



And you're not a troll?? get out of here with that bull lol

[nzahir]

I just want to see his sorry attempt at finding 20 players to rank above Bron. :oldlol:

He's currently 9th for me, will be 6th/7th if they win.



Basically admitting you don't have a list. Thanks for confirming what we all knew.
Thats reasonable.
I got
Mj, kaj, bird, magic, shaq, bron/kobe/td, hakeem, and wilt. Then I have guys like bill, oscar, david robinson, moses, and maybe a guy like jerry, kg, issiah, or wade.

[G0ATbe]

Agreed, somewhere between 15-20 all time on mine.

[Real14]

We obviously know that there arent 20 names above him, there isnt even 10 so this list will be stupid af. He is already top 10, arguable top 5 win or lose this series, to me top 3-4 with a win

Lord help this child.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Thats reasonable.
I got
Mj, kaj, bird, magic, shaq, bron/kobe/td, hakeem, and wilt. Then I have guys like bill, oscar, david robinson, moses, and maybe a guy like jerry, kg, issiah, or wade.

Current list:

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem

If they win this year and he picks up another ring later in his career he'll be 5th for me.

[smoovegittar]

Now you're going too far now man. How in the world somebody 3/6 who played on super stacked teams is going to be in your top 5?

First of all, he made it to 6 finals. Which Knick did that? Secondly, I don't buy into the notion of "stacked". These days, you need to draft and spend out the ass to keep a team relevant. If he wins a chip with this cast of fools this season, then yes I'm saying top 5. Of course, that's my opinion...

addendum: That doesn't mean I'm chumming up with some of the fans in here that either troll way too much or just plain don't know the game.

[Real14]

Agreed, somewhere between 15-20 all time on mine.

My niguh.

[nzahir]

Lord help this child.
Bruh name us your list or stfu.
Your knicks have been shit for 40 years and will be shit for another 40. Stay salty bud, Ill hit you up in 6 years when lebron has more rings.

[nzahir]

Current list:

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem

If they win this year and he picks up another ring later in his career he'll be 5th for me.
No kobe? Im not even a kobe fan. I personally dont have bill in there b/c of how little teams were in the league and he wasnt very skilled on the offensive end. In the modern day to me he would be ben wallace. I just have him in the top 15 out of respect for winning so many rings

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No kobe? Im not even a kobe fan. I personally dont have bill in there b/c of how little teams were in the league and he wasnt very skilled on the offensive end. In the modern day to me he would be ben wallace. I just have him in the top 15 out of respect for winning so many rings

Kobe is 11th for me.

[Real14]

Bruh name us your list or stfu.
Your knicks have been shit for 40 years and will be shit for another 40. Stay salty bud, Ill hit you up in 6 years when lebron has more rings.
What if the knicks win a ring within 2 years then what you going to say?
I will put my top 20 list up later.

[Real14]

Kobe is 11th for me.
You still upset about those 81 points man?

[nzahir]

What if the knicks win a ring within 2 years then what you going to say?
I will put my top 20 list up later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAElGAIkn4w

They wont win anything in the next 2 years, you guys couldnt even tank right. And if they win in the next 2 years then I will say WOW now the knicks franchise has as many rings as joel anythony

[Real14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAElGAIkn4w

They wont win anything in the next 2 years, you guys couldnt even tank right. And if they win in the next 2 years then I will say WOW now the knicks franchise has as many rings as joel anythony
Joel ANTHONY has 3 rings?

[inclinerator]

reported for stupidity

[nzahir]

Joel ANTHONY has 3 rings?
No one of the knicks rings has an asterik to it :oldlol:

[Real14]

No one of the knicks rings has an asterik to it :oldlol:
Yea keep telling yourself lies man.

[BBallZen83]

I gotta say. I am really starting to like you Real14. There is just something endearing about your persona on this board. You get trolled so hard, and just kinda roll with the punches and don't take it too seriously.

:cheers:

[Real14]

I gotta say. I am really starting to like you Real14. There is just something endearing about your persona on this board. You get trolled so hard, and just kinda roll with the punches and don't take it too seriously.

:cheers:

Much respect to you man.

[Prometheus]

I gotta say. I am really starting to like you Real14. There is just something endearing about your persona on this board. You get trolled so hard, and just kinda roll with the punches and don't take it too seriously.

:cheers:

Yeah, you know? He's like a pop song that you don't mind getting stuck in your head. He sucks, but he sucks in like an amusing way that's fun to just point and laugh at.

[Real14]

Yeah, you know? He's like a pop song that you don't mind getting stuck in your head. He sucks, but he sucks in like an amusing way that's fun to just point and laugh at.

I don't suck bro plus I'm like a rap song if anything.

[smoovegittar]

I'm glad he's a Knick fan. My man posts with a passion. :pimp:

[Real14]

I'm glad he's a Knick fan. My man posts with a passion. :pimp:
My niguh keepin it smooth.

[Andrei89]

If Lebron wins the championships this year and plays the rest of the games the same.

Given by his career accomplishments, his insane dominance since he entered the league in 2003, and the fact that he lived up to every hype possible, I would put him number 2 right after Jordan.

[Real14]

If Lebron wins the championships this year and plays the rest of the games the same.

Given by his career accomplishments, his insane dominance since he entered the league in 2003, and the fact that he lived up to every hype possible, I would put him number 2 right after Jordan.

You gotta be kidding me.

[Aiolos]

OP trolling lol

[Beastmode88]

I love real's loyalty to the knicks but hate his stupidity.

[Real14]

I love real's loyalty to the knicks but hate his stupidity.

I have my reasons for putting him that low and you should know by now.

[nzahir]

I don't suck bro plus I'm like a rap song if anything.
Ya you remind me of a rap song, its either between ether or wanksta. Take your pick bud

[nzahir]

If Lebron wins the championships this year and plays the rest of the games the same.

Given by his career accomplishments, his insane dominance since he entered the league in 2003, and the fact that he lived up to every hype possible, I would put him number 2 right after Jordan.
:applause:
I got him top 3 maybe top 2 if prisoner of the moment, only with a victory here though. without it top 5-6

[Andrei89]

You gotta be kidding me.

Nope, that would be the Knicks. They kid you every year.

[kunk75]

Top 5 for me. Keeping it real. We haven't seen shit like this before..he got my attention game 3 (obviously :rolleyes: )

a chip with this band of d-leaguers puts him at 2 for me.

[Real14]

Ya you remind me of a rap song, its either between ether or wanksta. Take your pick bud
Never that. I'm more like "Hate it or Love it".

[nzahir]

Never that. I'm more like "Hate it or Love it".
Ya i guess that works too, everyone hates you
Bruh you just straight up ethering yourself

[BBallZen83]

Ya i guess that works too, everyone hates you
Bruh you just straight up ethering yourself

Ehh, give him a little credit bro. He is the source of a lot of butts of jokes around here, elevating the collective self esteem of this board's members as they pat themselves on the back for being "smarter". I'd say that's a pretty good service to provide to this board.

[Real14]

Ya i guess that works too, everyone hates you
Bruh you just straight up ethering yourself

OK lol.

[nzahir]

Ehh, give him a little credit bro. He is the source of a lot of butts of jokes around here, elevating the collective self esteem of this board's members as they pat themselves on the back for being "smarter". I'd say that's a pretty good service to provide to this board.
That is true, a few people, myself included, have really given it to him in this thread alone.

[Real14]

That is true, a few people, myself included, have really given it to him in this thread alone.

Yea but have not connected well.

[nzahir]

Yea but have not connected well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc

[BlazerRed]

He'll crack my top 10. Probably 8th or 9th.

[Fudge]

Cements himself in the top 5. Wouldn't even be mad if people had him at 3, behind Jordan and KAJ.

[SouBeachTalents]

If LeBron goes 3/6 or 2/6, these will always be hilarious

http://media.silive.com/advance/price/photo/lebron-james-to-knicksjpg-1f6f96d0255e4ced_large.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/11/06/sports/06lebron_CA0/articleLarge.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0514/nba_g_lbj2_600.jpg
https://mspiragu.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/lebron-or-bust.jpg

[LikeABosh]

Maybe Melo can crack the top 100 if he wins another playoff series.

[TheCorporation]

autism at its finest
:lol :lol :lol

Well, LeBron would have 3 Finals MVPs in 6 trips
Magic had 3 in 9 trips
Kobe had 2 in 7 trips
Shaq had 3 in 5 trips
Duncan had 3 in 6 trips
Bird had 2 in 5 trips (I believe)

Hmmm... Yeah, top 3 easily.

[Ne 1]

:lol :lol :lol

Well, LeBron would have 3 Finals MVPs in 6 trips
Magic had 3 in 9 trips
Kobe had 2 in 7 trips
Shaq had 3 in 5 trips
Duncan had 3 in 6 trips
Bird had 2 in 5 trips (I believe)

Hmmm... Yeah, top 3 easily.

Seems like a pretty useless award.

[j3lademaster]

Out of curiosity how do people put Russel over Wilt? Every clip I've seen of their matchups is Wilt taking a big fat elephant dump on him. And if you go by stats wilt would put up like 35/25 while Russell does something like 10/22 and win comfortably. I'm no 60's expert(but I do have a little knowledge of that era), but from what I understand from stats, articles and the few clips Wilt usually destroyed Bill Russell so... What gives?

I can understand if they played in different eras and Bill has those accolades, but they didn't; and there are so many examples of Wilt being flat out better.

[TheCorporation]

Seems like a pretty useless award.

Yeah, haha, only some of the greatest players of all-time have at least 2 Finals MVPs :lol

"worthless" lol

[Ne 1]

Out of curiosity how do people put Russel over Wilt? Every clip I've seen of their matchups is Wilt taking a big fat elephant dump on him. And if you go by stats wilt would put up like 35/25 while Russell does something like 10/22 and win comfortably. I'm no 60's expert(but I do have a little knowledge of that era), but from what I understand from stats, articles and the few clips Wilt usually destroyed Bill Russell so... What gives?

I can understand if they played in different eras and Bill has those accolades, but they didn't; and there are so many examples of Wilt being flat out better.

I use to be a Wilt>Russell guy, but after seeing some of these playoff stats and recaps, I can't possibly justify that claim anymore, particularly after researching the 1962 series. The research I've done on Wilt has actually given me a new found respect for Russell. There's a reason why Russell was voted MVP in Wilt's 50/26 season and why Russell probably outplayed him in the '62 EDF, shut him down in game 6 and game 7 of the '68 EDF while leading his team from down 3-1 to beat Wilt's team and shut down Wilt in the '69 finals while his Celtics beat the heavily favored Lakers.

People look at Wilt's stats and rank him as a GOAT candidate without looking at pace and minutes and with a heavy emphasis on regular season stats. If you look at his career in detail, especially in the playoffs where you can break it down game by game, he is the least impressive top 10 player. You also need to have a decent perspective on some of these numbers, can't just look at 30 rebounds and say "mind blowing game" when games had 150+ rebounds available. The main argument for him being top 5 is regular season stats, but that's flawed. Aside from playing in blowouts, this is a guy who was known to check the stat sheet at halftime and he was even known to have passed up easy shots to prove he could lead the league in assists in 1968.

[j3lademaster]

I use to be a Wilt>Russell guy, but after seeing some of these playoff stats and recaps, I can't possibly justify that claim anymore, particularly after researching the 1962 series. The research I've done on Wilt has actually given me a new found respect for Russell. There's a reason why Russell was voted MVP in Wilt's 50/26 season and why Russell probably outplayed him in the '62 EDF, shut him down in game 6 and game 7 of the '68 EDF while leading his team from down 3-1 to beat Wilt's team and shut down Wilt in the '69 finals while his Celtics beat the heavily favored Lakers.

People look at Wilt's stats and rank him as a GOAT candidate without looking at pace and minutes and with a heavy emphasis on regular season stats. If you look at his career in detail, especially in the playoffs where you can break it down game by game, he is the least impressive top 10 player. You also need to have a decent perspective on some of these numbers, can't just look at 30 rebounds and say "mind blowing game" when games had 150+ rebounds available. The main argument for him being top 5 is regular season stats, but that's flawed. Aside from playing in blowouts, this is a guy who was known to check the stat sheet at halftime and he was even known to have passed up easy shots to prove he could lead the league in assists in 1968.ty for your insight. Really wish it wasn't such a chore to try to watch a game or 2 from those days.

[Smook A.]

Real14, post your list.
His lists are always a joke. He made a top 10 one time with Walt Frazier at like #8 :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

His lists are always a joke. He made a top 10 one time with Walt Frazier at like #8 :lol

:roll:

Dude is wrong about literally everything.

[No_Look604]

Top 5 for me. Keeping it real. We haven't seen shit like this before..he got my attention game 3 (obviously :rolleyes: )


Yeah, Lebron got my attention too. The multiple airballs...and then with the game on the line, fifity seconds to go, when he hit the SIDE OF THE BACKBOARD. :oldlol: :lol

[LAZERUSS]

I use to be a Wilt>Russell guy, but after seeing some of these playoff stats and recaps, I can't possibly justify that claim anymore, particularly after researching the 1962 series. The research I've done on Wilt has actually given me a new found respect for Russell. There's a reason why Russell was voted MVP in Wilt's 50/26 season and why Russell probably outplayed him in the '62 EDF, shut him down in game 6 and game 7 of the '68 EDF while leading his team from down 3-1 to beat Wilt's team and shut down Wilt in the '69 finals while his Celtics beat the heavily favored Lakers.

People look at Wilt's stats and rank him as a GOAT candidate without looking at pace and minutes and with a heavy emphasis on regular season stats. If you look at his career in detail, especially in the playoffs where you can break it down game by game, he is the least impressive top 10 player. You also need to have a decent perspective on some of these numbers, can't just look at 30 rebounds and say "mind blowing game" when games had 150+ rebounds available. The main argument for him being top 5 is regular season stats, but that's flawed. Aside from playing in blowouts, this is a guy who was known to check the stat sheet at halftime and he was even known to have passed up easy shots to prove he could lead the league in assists in 1968.

Chamberlain flat dominated Russell in the '62 EDF's. In game one, he crushd Russell in every stat, but the Russell-supporters claim that Russell limited him in the first half. So what? Wilt didn't have the luxury to only "win" halves, or even quarters, of their H2H's for his team to have a prayer. The reality was, Russell was hanging on for dear life in almost every game of every post-season H2H between the two.

And for your information, in the '62 EDF's, Wilt was playing with the core of the same last place roster that he inherited in his rookie season in '60, except it was now older and worse. And yet he carried that roster up against a HOF-laden 60-20 team, to a game seven, two point loss. And with his "HOF" teammates basically contributing absolutely nothing.

The reality was, in their '62 EDF H2H's, Wilt went 4-2-1. And in a couple of those he just annihilated Russell. For instance in game two, Wilt outscored Russell, 42-9; outrebounded Russell, 37-20; and outshot him from the floor, 16-31 to 4-14.

As for game seven, the recaps will claim that Wilt dominated that game DEFENSIVELY. AND, h was superb at both ends in the clutch. He scored Philly's last five points, including 1-1 from the line, to draw his team into a tie. And had it not been for a very controversial goal-tend against Sam Jones, and then Jones hitting the game winner over his outstretched fingertips (BTW, how come Wilt was having to defend Jones?????), it would have been Chamberlain in the Finals, and going up against a Laker team that Russell would destroy in the Finals. The same Laker team that Wilt averaged 52 ppg against in the regular season, and with three games of 60+, including a 78-43 game.

BTW, while Russell won the MVP over Wilt in '62, Chamberlain was voted First-Team All-NBA over him. And in their ten years in the league together, Wilt held a massive 7-2 margin in that award.

The Russell supporters have never been able to give me an answer to the following:

In the '66 EDF's, Wilt's Sixers were down 3-1, in a series in which Chamberlain's teammates would collectively shoot .352 from the field. In the clinching game five defeat, Wilt single-handedly kept his team in the game with a 46 point, 34 rebound game, albeit, in a 120-112 loss.

Ok, fast forward to the next season. Now it was Russell whose team was down 3-1, and facing elimination. Did Russell rise up and hang a 46-34 game on Wilt, when it was obvious that his teammates, who were for once, neutralized by Wilts, and desperately needed him to do so? Hell no, like a lamb, he quietly led them to slaughter, with a disgraceful FOUR point game, on 2-5 shooting. Wilt obliterated him in every category in that game. He outscored Russell, 29-4, 22 of which came in the first half, when the game was still close (and obviously, he could have easily scored 40+); outshot Russell from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted Russell, 13-7; and outrebounded Russell, 36-21. He even found time to block seven shots. All in a 140-116 rout of the eight-time defending Celtics.

You can go right down the list. In their '65 EDF's, Wilt took a 40-40 team, with a roster that had gone 34-46 the year before without him, to a first round romp over Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals, and then to a game seven one point loss against Russell's 62-18 Celtics at the peak of their dynasty. In that series, Chamberlain slaughtered a helpless Russell in nearly every statistical category. He outscored Russell, 30.1 to 15.6 ppg; outrebounded Russell, 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg; outshot Russell from the field, .555 to .447; hell he even outshot Russell from the line, .583 to .472. And he outblocked Russell in their known games, 35-22. It was arguably the worst beatdown ever administered by one GOAT on another. Oh, and in the clinching game seven...Wilt scored eight of team's last 10 points, including 2-2 from the line, and a dunk over Russell at the 5 sec mark to pull his Sixers to within 110-109. The "clutch" Russell then hit a guidewire with his inbounds pass, and Wilt's Sixers had an opportunity to pull off the greatest playoff upset in NBA history. However, once again a teammate saved Russell, this time when Havlicek stole the inbounds pass.


The '68 EDF's, when Russell "shut down Wilt in game's six and seven?" Had you actually done ANY research on that series, you would have known that Wilt was nursing an assortment of injuries, including a tear in his calf...which had him NOTICEABLY LIMPING the entire series. And he wasn't the only Sixer, either. Nearly all of their key players were battling injuries, including HOFer Billy Cunningham, who missed the entire series. BTW, the Sixers were up 3-1 going into game five, and how did Wilt do in that possible clinching game? He POUNDED Russell. He outscored him, 28-8, outrebounded him, 30-24, and outshot him from the floor, 11-21 to 4-10. Had Philly not lost two more starters to injury in that game, they likely would have won the game, and the series, 4-1.


The '69 Finals? Wilt's worst post-season series of his entire career..albeit, he still outplayed Russell, especially in game seven. Of course, anyone taking the time to research that series would realize that it was Wilt's COACH who cost his team their first-ever title in Los Angeles. In fact, he made several bumbling coaching errors, one of them having journeyman Johnny Egan handling the ball in their final offensive sequence in game four. LA had the lead, and the ball, but as expected, Egan was stripped of the ball, and Sam Jones, as he did so often, hit the game-winner while falling down. Had Egan not lost the ball, and given the Laker's romp in game five, LA would have won that series, 4-1. ONE PLAY cost Wilt and his team a title.


As for Wilt leading the league in assists in '68...his team RAN AWAY with the best record in the league. His "selfishness" sure hurt that team, didn't it? Of course, who would have known that all that passing would cause massive injuries in the post-season, including several injuries to Wilt, himself.


For those that might be interested in the 143 Russell-Wilt H2H's...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I9jddU8eNWrI8MMOPs_0l58WnjFNADvF4iIcu0Sfz7A/edit?pli=1#gid=0

Those numbers do not lie.

[LAZERUSS]

I use to be a Wilt>Russell guy, but after seeing some of these playoff stats and recaps, I can't possibly justify that claim anymore, particularly after researching the 1962 series. The research I've done on Wilt has actually given me a new found respect for Russell. There's a reason why Russell was voted MVP in Wilt's 50/26 season and why Russell probably outplayed him in the '62 EDF, shut him down in game 6 and game 7 of the '68 EDF while leading his team from down 3-1 to beat Wilt's team and shut down Wilt in the '69 finals while his Celtics beat the heavily favored Lakers.

People look at Wilt's stats and rank him as a GOAT candidate without looking at pace and minutes and with a heavy emphasis on regular season stats. If you look at his career in detail, especially in the playoffs where you can break it down game by game, he is the least impressive top 10 player. You also need to have a decent perspective on some of these numbers, can't just look at 30 rebounds and say "mind blowing game" when games had 150+ rebounds available. The main argument for him being top 5 is regular season stats, but that's flawed. Aside from playing in blowouts, this is a guy who was known to check the stat sheet at halftime and he was even known to have passed up easy shots to prove he could lead the league in assists in 1968.

John Wooden:

Had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.