The Definitive Topic: LeBron vs Kobe

[oarabbus]

Kobestans are out in force right now. Branstans are obviously feeling good right now because this guy is a monster and killing it.


Do any non-kobestans think there is a debate here :confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

There is no debate...unless you're a delusional Kobe stan...and I'm a much bigger fan of Bryant than I am of James.

[Rocketswin2013]

LeBron from 08-15 has been better than Kobe ever was. LeBron is a better player. Kobe is arguably more accomplished.

That bold word there is what created all of these complicated arguments and stanisms. Hopefully LeBron wins this year and more so this shit can be put to rest.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobestans are out in force right now. Branstans are obviously feeling good right now because this guy is a monster and killing it.


Do any non-kobestans think there is a debate here :confusedshrug:

It's amazing what has transpired in the last five years. By the end of the 2010 Finals, Kobe was generally recognized as the best player in the world. And he was clearly a Top-10 player of all-time.

Now, with age, injuries, poor supporting casts...he seems to have slipped dramatically.

Makes no sense.

As for OP...a peak Kobe and a peak Lebron are very close. I might give Lebron a slight edge. But barring injuries, Lebron's career resume will easily surpass Kobe's.

[Cocaine80s]

It's amazing what has transpired in the last five years. By the end of the 2010 Finals, Kobe was generally recognized as the best player in the world. And he was clearly a Top-10 player of all-time.

Now, with age, injuries, poor supporting casts...he seems to have slipped dramatically.

Makes no sense.

As for OP...a peak Kobe and a peak Lebron are very close. I might give Lebron a slight edge. But barring injuries, Lebron's career resume will easily surpass Kobe's.
He dropped because Lebron and Duncan

[Springsteen]

Both belong in the top 10.

[JohnFreeman]

Both belong in top 10, LeBron is better though

[TheReal Kendall]

This crap again :facepalm

Geez if you talking bout right now in 2015 then YES of course Lebron is better.

But if we talking the all-time list then I would be hesitant to put Lebron over Kobe at this point.

Lets just wait till Bron retire though.

[SouBeachTalents]

This crap again :facepalm

Geez if you talking bout right now in 2015 then YES of course Lebron is better.

But if we talking the all-time list then I would be hesitant to put Lebron over Kobe at this point.

Lets just wait till Bron retire though.

You sure brah, I think Kobe's been slightly better this year

[LikeABosh]

Lebron will officially pass Kobe after winning this title, FMVP. He's already passed Kobe in the eyes of many but it won't even be debatable after this series. Also don't forget Lebron is 7 years younger than Kobe so the gap will just continue to widen :oldlol: . Lebron hating Kobe stans will be extinct soon.

[LoneyROY7]

Wish we could have seen a prime Kobe-led team vs. a prime LeBron-led team.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wish we could have seen a prime Kobe-led team vs. a prime LeBron-led team.
It unfortunately never would've coincided prime for prime beyond the 2008 season. LeBron was entering his prime that year, and that was the last true season of Kobe's prime. 2009, and 2010 were gradual declines.

As for the comparison? It's so difficult, but I think the uniqueness of LeBron makes him greater historically. A guy who can volume score like Kobe. All around, versatility, including defensively like Pippen. A team leader, Point Forward, and passer like Magic. The handle of Penny Hardaway.

Better? Depends who you ask. More accomplished? Arguable either way as well. Kobe's rings, or LeBron's individual accolades?

After seeing LeBron wreck my Bulls in 2010, 2011, 2013, and 2015? I just fear facing him more, granted we saw him more, and didn't face Kobe ever in his prime. LeBron might just be a more dominant player, and point blank has more impact. Kobe is incredible, and a beautiful player to watch. Aesthetically, and intensity wise similar to MJ. Both guys play both ends of the floor, which I love. But what LeBron has done from 2009 - Now is incredible. The dimensions to his game is jaw dropping.

[pastis]

im def not kobe stan.

what do hur lebron a little bit is the fact that he still has just defeated 7x 50 win teams in his playoff career....thats telaly not an impressive number.... shaq less kobe, dirk, of course duncan etc have more.....

but i just like lebrons dominance when he gets the ball and dirves to the basket. nobody can stp him. this athelic dominance is just beatiful to watch

[24-Inch_Chrome]

LeBron James.

[Spurs m8]

LeBron isn't even top 5 at this point

[Akrazotile]

Wish we could have seen a prime Kobe-led team vs. a prime LeBron-led team.


Yeah, but unfortunately when Kobe leads teams they don't get out of the first round, so them playing in separate conferences always made it tough.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Yeah, but unfortunately when Kobe leads teams they don't get out of the first round, so them playing in separate conferences always made it tough.


Daayummm

That was a dagger to the hearts of the kobetards

[francesco totti]

Lebron. What Lebron did this year, pretty much made up my mind.

[imnew09]

Worry about your choke a$$ GSW first

[kennethgriffin]

its amazing how a guy can go from 11th all time to top 5 all time passing kobes 5 titles/legendary career just by winning 2 finals games vs an unproven G-state


ISH = Overreaction theatre



yall know bran still needs 2 wins right? and thats just to get his first real title




relax

[SexSymbol]

Kobe is top 8, LeBron isn't.

[tragicbronson]

In my eyes Kobe will always be better, i guess that makes me delusional stan but that's how it is and that's why i am not afraid and these threads about kobe stans being scared and on suicide watch and other typical ISH topics don't get me, i respect LeBron, he's a great player, but as i said, in my opinion, Kobe will always be higher.

[oh the horror]

its amazing how a guy can go from 11th all time to top 5 all time passing kobes 5 titles/legendary career just by winning 2 finals games vs an unproven G-state


ISH = Overreaction theatre



yall know bran still needs 2 wins right? and thats just to get his first real title




relax



Yeah but statistically GS is supposed to be the goat team :rolleyes:



People are learning to throw stats out the window and follow the game

[sd3035]

5/7 >>> 2/5

but Lebron still has time to catch up

[G0ATbe]

Funny how people acting like Cavs already won the series. When LeBald goes 1.5*/6 he'll be right back where he was. Several dozen spots below Kobe all time, or even lower with that even uglier record.

[plowking]

Trolling aside, any time I hear the argument for Bryant, it is due to the rings. It is constantly rings, rings, rings. Not a bad thing since you have to be very good to win a lot. Saying that though, it really never boils down to what they do on the court when comparing the two on here.

Bron at this point has proven to be the better rebounder, passer, playmaker, defender, post player, floor general, more efficient, multi faceted, dominant player.
Even as a scorer people act as if Bryant is in a league of his own when comparing the two, yet Bron has proven he can hang right there with him. In fact, in the playoffs he has shown he is probably the more reliable scorer out of the two.

Bryant is great, top 10 all time, but how can anyone watch both play and come to the conclusion that Kobe is better as a basketball player? He just doesn't impact the game as much as Lebron.

I dunno, just my opinion that delves into more than the standard ring argument. I never even liked LeBron prior to him coming to the Heat, in fact I'm sure you can find a bunch of comments of me hating on him on here, but I could tell from 09 onwards how good he had become. Shaq, Jordan and LeBron are the best players I've seen in my lifetime.

[Taller than CP3]

What Lebron is doing now is comparable to Kobe winning it all with the likes of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown.

[DCL]

Wish we could have seen a prime Kobe-led team vs. a prime LeBron-led team.


kobe vs. lebron in the finals would had been insane

[pegasus]

What Lebron is doing now is comparable to Kobe winning it all with the likes of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown.
:facepalm

[VengefulAngel]

kobe vs. lebron in the finals would had been insane

Just imagine the ratings.

[kshutts1]

In my eyes Kobe will always be better, i guess that makes me delusional stan but that's how it is and that's why i am not afraid and these threads about kobe stans being scared and on suicide watch and other typical ISH topics don't get me, i respect LeBron, he's a great player, but as i said, in my opinion, Kobe will always be higher.
Yes. Yes it does.

Even if Lebron is not as good as Kobe right now, to say that he never could be is silly.

[Cold soul]

Trolling aside, any time I hear the argument for Bryant, it is due to the rings. It is constantly rings, rings, rings. Not a bad thing since you have to be very good to win a lot. Saying that though, it really never boils down to what they do on the court when comparing the two on here.

Bron at this point has proven to be the better rebounder, passer, playmaker, defender, post player, floor general, more efficient, multi faceted, dominant player.
Even as a scorer people act as if Bryant is in a league of his own when comparing the two, yet Bron has proven he can hang right there with him. In fact, in the playoffs he has shown he is probably the more reliable scorer out of the two.

Bryant is great, top 10 all time, but how can anyone watch both play and come to the conclusion that Kobe is better as a basketball player? He just doesn't impact the game as much as Lebron.

I dunno, just my opinion that delves into more than the standard ring argument. I never even liked LeBron prior to him coming to the Heat, in fact I'm sure you can find a bunch of comments of me hating on him on here, but I could tell from 09 onwards how good he had become. Shaq, Jordan and LeBron are the best players I've seen in my lifetime.

Kobe has better post game, on the ball defense, killer instinct, fundamentals, skills with natural talent I'll take those aspects of Kobe over Lebron. Lebron will surpass Kobe eventually.

[RRR3]

Kobe has better post game, on the ball defense, killer instinct, fundamentals, skills with natural talent I'll take those aspects of Kobe over Lebron. Lebron will surpass Kobe eventually.
LeBrons post game is excellent

It may not be pretty but damn if it ain't effective.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe has better post game, on the ball defense, killer instinct, fundamentals, skills with natural talent I'll take those aspects of Kobe over Lebron. Lebron will surpass Kobe eventually.

Lebron has a significantly better post game than Kobe Bryant and the gap isn't minute either. As far as passing Kobe, most basketball fans are in general agreement that he already has passed Kobe. Whether he'll end up in the top tier with Jordan, Russell and Kareem is another matter, on the other hand.

[Cold soul]

LeBrons post game is excellent

It may not be pretty but damn if it ain't effective.

It's much better now than say 4-5 years ago he's improved just as good as Kobe post game during his prime.

[Cold soul]

Lebron has a significantly better post game than Kobe Bryant and the gap isn't minute either. As far as passing Kobe, most basketball fans are in general agreement that he already has passed Kobe. Whether he'll end up in the top tier with Jordan, Russell and Kareem is another matter, on the other hand.


Lebron has not yet the Finals aren't over bump the brakes.

[RRR3]

Lebron has a significantly better post game than Kobe Bryant and the gap isn't minute either. As far as passing Kobe, most basketball fans are in general agreement that he already has passed Kobe. Whether he'll end up in the top tier with Jordan, Russell and Kareem is another matter, on the other hand.
Wilt is in the top tier too IMO

[SwayDizzle]

The same people who think LBJ will be ranked higher than Kobe on the GOAT list if he wins this chip, thought he was already ranked higher years ago.

[LeBird]

This question is a litmus test of sorts.

If you go with Kobe; you're an idiot.
If you go with Lebron; you're sane.

[Solid Snake]

Wish we could have seen a prime Kobe-led team vs. a prime LeBron-led team.

That was supposed to happen until Dwight's Orlando team made it instead of Lebron. Totally messed up the marketing gimmick with those puppets, if anyone remembers.