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imnew09
06-11-2015, 02:56 AM
Stop with the Lee can't play defense... he doesn't even have to play D when Mosgov and TT are averaging less than 10 shots per game. And Draymond is overrated AF :facepalm

Steve Kerr acts like David Lee gotta guard Prime Shaq or something... Start Lee and put him on TT

blacknapalm
06-11-2015, 03:06 AM
it's not the bigs they're worried about. in fact, putting lee in would almost force kerr to take mozzy out since lee can take advantage in the PNR on offense.

it's the other side. lee's defense on the PNR. lebron and co will relentlessly attack him if he's in the game. he's not a good rim protector or PNR defender. cavs will attack that weak link. i'm not sure you can have bogut in there w/ him as spacing will be fvcked as well.

warriorfan
06-11-2015, 03:09 AM
if David Lee played 40 minutes LeBron would score 100 points

RoundMoundOfReb
06-11-2015, 03:10 AM
if David Lee played 40 minutes LeBron would score 100 points
He'd foul out before hitting 40.

imnew09
06-11-2015, 03:12 AM
if David Lee played 40 minutes LeBron would score 100 points

youre dumb. You act like Draymond is doing anything better

bdreason
06-11-2015, 03:12 AM
I was saying it all year, but it's hard to argue with success (67 wins).


My fear was actually relying on DrayGod against the big PF's out West like; Aldridge, Griffin, Duncan, Randolph, etc.

Matching up with legit PF's for single games in the regular season is one thing. Having to bang with these guys for a 7 game series is a different story. Luckily, we pretty much avoided all the big PF's out West except for Randolph.


Anyways, Lee's offensive skill set is prime for this offense. His ability to set screens, pass, and shoot from the mid-range makes him a deadly screen setter. He's also just a bigger guy than DrayGod, and is able to hold his ground on post-ups and box-outs better. I honestly wanted us to incorporate Lee back into the starting lineup when he got back from injury, but again, it's hard to argue with the success we were having.

Kerr and the rest of the staff should have been thinking about the playoffs though. Completely benching a 20/10 PF heading into the post-season was short-sighted.

imnew09
06-11-2015, 03:13 AM
it's not the bigs they're worried about. in fact, putting lee in would almost force kerr to take mozzy out since lee can take advantage in the PNR on offense.

it's the other side. lee's defense on the PNR. lebron and co will relentlessly attack him if he's in the game. he's not a good rim protector or PNR defender. cavs will attack that weak link. i'm not sure you can have bogut in there w/ him as spacing will be fvcked as well.


It goes both ways. Cavs paint protection is a weak link as well as Blatt wants his players to close out more on the 3s

imnew09
06-11-2015, 03:16 AM
I was saying it all year, but it's hard to argue with success (67 wins).


My fear was actually relying on DrayGod against the big PF's out West like; Aldridge, Griffin, Duncan, Randolph, etc.

Matching up with legit PF's for single games in the regular season is one thing. Having to bang with these guys for a 7 game series is a different story. Luckily, we pretty much avoided all the big PF's out West except for Randolph.


Anyways, Lee's offensive skill set is prime for this offense. His ability to set screens, pass, and shoot from the mid-range makes him a deadly screen setter. He's also just a bigger guy than DrayGod, and is able to hold his ground on post-ups and box-outs better. I honestly wanted us to incorporate Lee back into the starting lineup when he got back from injury, but again, it's hard to argue with the success we were having.

Kerr and the rest of the staff should have been thinking about the playoffs though. Completely benching a 20/10 PF heading into the post-season was short-sighted.


I would understand putting Draymond in against Houston, Memphis, even Pelicans because all those teams got legit Bigs that could score in the paint. But C'mon... the Cavs bigs are averaging below 10 shots a GAME.

NumberSix
06-11-2015, 03:24 AM
David Lee isn't some key to unlock the Cleveland defense. Cavs have a short rotation and they were drained by the time Lee was put in the game.

Taller than CP3
06-11-2015, 03:35 AM
Golden State fans in full blown panic mode relying on David Lee of all people to bring them home a ring, f*cking lol.

buddha
06-11-2015, 03:41 AM
if David Lee played 40 minutes LeBron would score 100 points

that's why they gotta play Lee with Bogut.

iamgine
06-11-2015, 03:47 AM
They can't have Andrew, David and Stephen all together for too long. It will be too white.

Funktion
06-11-2015, 03:55 AM
Double/Double at worst and 5 fouls by halftime.

AirFederer
06-11-2015, 04:28 AM
They need to take out Dell. As long as he`s making Steph work som hard for his points, GSW are going down in five.

el gringos
06-11-2015, 05:06 AM
Matching up with legit PF's for single games in the regular season is one thing. Having to bang with these guys for a 7 game series is a different story.



You just described small ball in 1 sentence.


You just explained why Draymond Green isn't a max player in 1 sentence.


You just showed why people who think Carmelo should move to the 4 are idiots in 1 sentence

midatlantic09
06-11-2015, 05:29 AM
I honestly have no idea why Kerr plays Bogut so many minutes. I realize Bogut is supposed to be some great defensive player, but is anyone truly afraid of him while on the court? To me, he is a total liability on offense and isn't even all that much of a game changer on defense (anyone afraid to drive the lane and dunk on Bogut??), so I really have no idea why he gets so many minutes, especially when David Lee is on the roster.

warriorfan
06-11-2015, 05:36 AM
I honestly have no idea why Kerr plays Bogut so many minutes. I realize Bogut is supposed to be some great defensive player, but is anyone truly afraid of him while on the court? To me, he is a total liability on offense and isn't even all that much of a game changer on defense (anyone afraid to drive the lane and dunk on Bogut??), so I really have no idea why he gets so many minutes, especially when David Lee is on the roster.

Yes

midatlantic09
06-11-2015, 05:41 AM
Yes

I don't think so. The guy is slow, can't jump, plays with zero energy, and just isn't intimidating at all. Sure, maybe a 6'1 PG may think twice, but that's about it.

CarlosBoozer
06-11-2015, 05:44 AM
Every time they put Lee, Lebron gains more confidence in driving + would take less midrange/3 pointers.

warriorfan
06-11-2015, 05:46 AM
I don't think so. The guy is slow and can't jump, not intimidating at all. Sure, maybe a 6'1 PG may think twice, but that's about it.

He is slow but he has GOAT positioning and anticipation. He is always in the right spot at the right time defensively. The main reason he shouldn't play over 20 minutes is his conditioning. He's 7'2'' and probably weighs 300 pounds and is on the wrong side of 30. He gets gassed real quick.

SilkkTheShocker
06-11-2015, 08:19 AM
He had 5 fouls in like 10 minutes :oldlol:

tpols
06-11-2015, 09:36 AM
David Lee isn't some key to unlock the Cleveland defense. Cavs have a short rotation and they were drained by the time Lee was put in the game.

He is though with Draymond choking plus having no midrange game.. with the way they double curry Lee can wet 15 footers all day.. Draymond can't hit anything besides a dunk

FillJackson
06-11-2015, 09:46 AM
David Lee isn't some key to unlock the Cleveland defense. Cavs have a short rotation and they were drained by the time Lee was put in the game.

He's better offensively than the other options on GS because in addition to his scoring, he's a much better passer. This can seriously open up the pick and roll with Curry who the Cavs are doubling hard. Cavs have been focusing on

Curry
Curry
Curry
Klay





the rest

Draymond Green seems to have no confidence in his shot. So GS needs a third option.

FillJackson
06-11-2015, 09:49 AM
He is slow but he has GOAT positioning and anticipation. He is always in the right spot at the right time defensively. The main reason he shouldn't play over 20 minutes is his conditioning. He's 7'2'' and probably weighs 300 pounds and is on the wrong side of 30. He gets gassed real quick.
I haven't seen much of Bogut before these playoffs and his positioning is really, really good.

Tarik One
06-11-2015, 10:11 AM
With Lee in, they'll at least be able to match scores with Cleveland. Green is screwing up on both ends so far..

RidonKs
06-11-2015, 10:47 AM
start festus ezeli and andre iguodala with curry, klay, green

your best shot at slowing at slowing lebron is to start iguodala on him and have green on him late. it's strange but barnes belongs back on the bench. play him with bogut with lee on the second unit with livingston and one of the gunners. barnes has proven that he can let his 'role' on the team get to his head. right now he's way outmatched at each frontcourt position and he's wilting under the pressure. play him against james jones and jr smith when the cavs play small ball. he'll find his stroke and hopefully give you better minutes late in the game.

ezeli has been proving himself all postseason. he's shown confidence making baby putbacks. he's also your biggest strongest guy and your best shot of slowing down the relentless attack of tristan thompson. i thought green could do it but thompson is too long and quick. stick green on mozgov, that's an easier cover, less need for lateral movement and exhausting boxing out.

as the game gets late, green takes lebron. you go offense/defense with bogut and ezeli, to play against thompson or mozgov whoever is out there. david lee is nowhere to be seen because there is no place for him against any combination of lebron/thompson/mozgov. barnes plays small forward depending on iguodala's level of exhaustion.

ezeli would be a perfect out of nowhere hero. **** matthew dellavedova.

Solid Snake
06-11-2015, 11:09 AM
You just described small ball in 1 sentence.


You just explained why Draymond Green isn't a max player in 1 sentence.


You just showed why people who think Carmelo should move to the 4 are idiots in 1 sentence


You just showed your arrogance in three sentences.

El Gato Negro
06-11-2015, 11:12 AM
Please let Kerr sit both his shot blockers so we can see a parade of alley oops from the cavs at the q. Crowd will love it, layups and threes, regular season offense will be back!

SilkkTheShocker
06-11-2015, 11:22 AM
Good Lord, you know you're at rock bottom when David Lee is supposed to be your savior. Win or lose, this Warriors team is an absolute joke.

imnew09
06-11-2015, 11:32 AM
Good Lord, you know you're at rock bottom when David Lee is supposed to be your savior. Win or lose, this Warriors team is an absolute joke.


Lee was an All star, 20/10 guy. He would be a starter in most of the teams in NBA. Steve kerr needs to make some adjustments.

Starting Line up should be :
Curry
Klay
Iggy
Lee
Bogut



But yea, thiis Warriors team is pathetic af as of now:facepalm

rmt
06-11-2015, 12:41 PM
Defense is not the problem for GSW - offense is. Just leave Iggy on Lebron as much as possible (no Livingston please) and play Lee instead of Green. The offense will open up. See it like Curry as Parker and Lee as Diaw. They're defending Curry hard - get the ball to Lee at the top of the key/free throw line - either shoot or find the open man. GSW is more than capable of out-scoring them. Pop needs to talk to Kerr,

HurricaneKid
06-11-2015, 01:35 PM
Defense is not the problem for GSW - offense is. Just leave Iggy on Lebron as much as possible (no Livingston please) and play Lee instead of Green. The offense will open up. See it like Curry as Parker and Lee as Diaw. They're defending Curry hard - get the ball to Lee at the top of the key/free throw line - either shoot or find the open man. GSW is more than capable of out-scoring them. Pop needs to talk to Kerr,

LOL at "just leave Iggy on LBJ". You do realize almost every set just involves a CLE PnR that is solely designed to put Curry/Livingston/whoever on LeBron instead right? So with Lee in its just a LBJ/TT PnR with Lee switching out on LeBron for the easiest ISO ever. Its also why Lee managed 5 fouls in 13 min in G3.

HurricaneKid
06-11-2015, 01:40 PM
Lee was an All star, 20/10 guy. He would be a starter in most of the teams in NBA.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Crown&Coke
06-11-2015, 02:53 PM
Their problem is they are playing like pansy ass bitches. Playing scared

Everyone wants to foul. No one wants to give a playoff foul.

Move Curry off the ball, isn't that the reason you added so many ball handlers the past couple off-seasons? Send him around the world through some picks to get that ****er a couple open looks to get in a rhythm. And do it early, like the first quarter. Don't wait until there are 3 minutes left in the game and you are down 11

Kerr is making zero adjustments. The team is lost out there. Cavs are trapping the pick and roll and yet the roll man aint even trying to roll. What is the point? You are literally allowing 2 people to guard Curry on a play designed to get him free. Idiotic

Get some back cuts going. Get some pin downs going. Do something on the weak side other than stand there for "spacing." Cavs are ignoring those dudes, that defeats the purpose of "spacing"

And quit the damn unforced turnovers, this is the finals not game 25 of the regular season

SilkkTheShocker
06-11-2015, 03:02 PM
Lee was an All star, 20/10 guy. He would be a starter in most of the teams in NBA. Steve kerr needs to make some adjustments.

Starting Line up should be :
Curry
Klay
Iggy
Lee
Bogut



But yea, thiis Warriors team is pathetic af as of now:facepalm

Lee did his thing out there. But he also had 5 fouls in like 10 minutes of playing time and is an atrocious defender. He can improve the offense, but he also gives Cleveland more chances to score. He is a double edged sword. But at this point, what choice does Kerr have?

scm5
06-11-2015, 03:35 PM
David Lee isn't some key to unlock the Cleveland defense. Cavs have a short rotation and they were drained by the time Lee was put in the game.

I don't think anyone expects him to play as well as he did during that period, but what he did out there was much better than whatever Green has done throughout the series.

The ball movement was better and spacing was better. TT wasn't as dominant on the boards either.

One of the things Lee will do significantly better than Green is keep TT off the offensive glass.