Lebron is not getting double-teamed

[3ball]

This explains his abnormally high scoring average.

MJ and Shaq never played in a series where they didn't get doubled-teamed - they never enjoyed single-coverage every game like Lebron does.. Back when MJ and Shaq were playing, it would've been considered ludicrous to play these guys straight up.

Of course, in addition to never getting double-teamed, Lebron also enjoys weakside spacing that allows him play 1-on-1 with zero help defenders on the strongside... But this thread isn't about how the weakside spacing allows him to face 1-defender strongsides.

This thread isn't about that.. It's about how he isn't getting double-teamed, while MJ and Shaq always did.. Let Lebron face the same double-teaming MJ/Shaq faced, and his stats aren't as good... Or conversely, let MJ/Shaq face the same single-coverage and empty strongsides that Lebron faces, and their stats would be in the stratosphere (higher than the 40 PPG they already achieved).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE&t=0m4s
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[BlakFrankWhite]

Why are you back?

[BlazerRed]

Shut up you ******y ass piece of shit.

[oarabbus]

Shut up you ******y ass piece of shit.



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[LeBird]

This dude will kill himself if Lebron wins with the Cavs. I'm not even kidding.

[ClipperRevival]

It's a testament to the respect Kerr has to Bron's passing abilities and ability to get his teammates involved. But still, you can't just let a guy like Bron operate in the post like that on single coverage with no help. You have to take your chances with him passing out and get the ball out of his hands.

It's really unheard of for a superstar of Bron's caliber to see single coverage for almost the entire game or series. Guys that great demand the double team. And that is why they are great. Because they are the focal point of the D every night, face the constant doubles and can still dominate.

[scm5]

I can't for the life of me, figure out why Kerr doesn't double Lebron.

Lebron is dictating the pace of the game so well that it's disrupting the entire Warriors offense. They're used to a faster pace transition game and they've shown how good they can be when they can dictate the pace of the game with the 19 point come back.

If they double Lebron and make the other players beat them, they're bound to push the pace of the game just because no one else can make the plays Lebron can, or dictate the pace of the game like he does. They're also bound to make more mistakes which the Warriors are known to capitalize on.

It's REALLY frustrating.

[HylianNightmare]

Ok?

[inclinerator]

i have a feeling u wont be back for long

[ClipperRevival]

Playoffs is all about adjustments. If one team does one thing great, you adjust and take that away and see how it works out. Kerr is sort of showing is lack of experience.

As a Clippers fan, I know exactly why Del Negro got fired a couple of years ago. We were up 2-0 in the series against Memphis and lost the next 4. Mostly because he simply refused to double Zo/Gasol down low until it was way too late, like in the 6th game. Everyone who knew anything knew we needed to throw hard doubles at them but Del Negro refused to do it. Zo/Gasol were ripping Griffin/DJ apart.

Kerr needs to adjust.

[jayfan]

This explains his abnormally high scoring average.

MJ and Shaq never played in a series where they didn't get doubled-teamed - they never enjoyed single-coverage every game like Lebron does.. Back when MJ and Shaq were playing, it would've been considered ludicrous to play these guys straight up.


Detroit singled Shaq for the majority of the 2004 Finals.




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[jzek]

Yes, I already posted about this - http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379222

[scm5]

Playoffs is all about adjustments. If one team does one thing great, you adjust and take that away and see how it works out. Kerr is sort of showing is lack of experience.

As a Clippers fan, I know exactly why Del Negro got fired a couple of years ago. We were up 2-0 in the series against Memphis and lost the next 4. Mostly because he simply refused to double Zo/Gasol down low until it was way too late, like in the 6th game. Everyone who knew anything knew we needed to throw hard doubles at them but Del Negro refused to do it. Zo/Gasol were ripping Griffin/DJ apart.

Kerr needs to adjust.

Great point and I completely agree. This Warriors team can be so deadly, but I feel like Kerr is being too cautious right now simply because they've played such good defense against the Cavs. The only problem is, their offense is suffering because of it.

[FKAri]

you're like a jehova's witness at the door. dont you get it i dont want your brochures. just gtfo off my porch

[ralph_i_el]

Wow....not getting double teamed and he's still averaging 8.3apg? Crazy!

[tpols]

I can't for the life of me, figure out why Kerr doesn't double Lebron.

Lebron is dictating the pace of the game so well that it's disrupting the entire Warriors offense. They're used to a faster pace transition game and they've shown how good they can be when they can dictate the pace of the game with the 19 point come back.

If they double Lebron and make the other players beat them, they're bound to push the pace of the game just because no one else can make the plays Lebron can, or dictate the pace of the game like he does. They're also bound to make more mistakes which the Warriors are known to capitalize on.

It's REALLY frustrating.

Then there's theres the other side to the coin where jr smith hits 6 or 7 threes in a row like in the hawks series And GS gets blown out

[Cocaine80s]

Maybe because his team his full of shooters? :facepalm


Btw i thought you were banned :biggums:

[Mass Debator]

He's not getting trapped is what you mean.

[ISHGoat]

you're like a jehova's witness at the door. dont you get it i dont want your brochures. just gtfo off my porch

signed

ISH

[ClipperRevival]

Great point and I completely agree. This Warriors team can be so deadly, but I feel like Kerr is being too cautious right now simply because they've played such good defense against the Cavs. The only problem is, their offense is suffering because of it.

It's a double edged sword when you don't double Bron because you let him dictate the pace of the game (slow it down) and that affects GS offense also. At least when you double, you get the ball out of his hands and his teammates might commit turnovers or force bad shots. Or you might force turnovers when Bron is trying to pass out of the double. The point is, you can't just sit there with your thumb up your ass and let an all time great like Bron operate out of the post with no help. That's pure stupidity.

If Kerr doesn't double Bron in game 4, I will LOL and think about the good ole' days of Del Negro refusing to double Zo/Gasol.

[LeBird]

you're like a jehova's witness at the door. dont you get it i dont want your brochures. just gtfo off my porch

:lol

[Im so nba'd out]

You cant double team lebron he is too good of a passer.

[scm5]

Then there's theres the other side to the coin where jr smith hits 6 or 7 threes in a row like in the hawks series And GS gets blown out

That's always a danger, but even if JR makes his 3's, the game will be played at a much faster pace which is good for the Warriors. They can run with the best of them, and a faster paced game will tire out the Cavs faster and they are not nearly as deep.

What I think might happen is that the Warriors will switch back and forth depending on who's on the court. If Lee is on, they'll use Iggy and single coverage on Lebron. If Green's on the court, they'll try to double. This way they get to play to the strengths of their personnel.

[3ball]

I can't for the life of me, figure out why Kerr doesn't double Lebron.

Lebron is dictating the pace of the game so well that it's disrupting the entire Warriors offense. They're used to a faster pace transition game and they've shown how good they can be when they can dictate the pace of the game with the 19 point come back.

If they double Lebron and make the other players beat them, they're bound to push the pace of the game just because no one else can make the plays Lebron can, or dictate the pace of the game like he does. They're also bound to make more mistakes which the Warriors are known to capitalize on.

It's REALLY frustrating.


Kerr is naturally opposed to double-teaming a guy like Lebron, because Kerr knows first-hand that the double-teams on MJ is what gave him (Kerr) a meaningful career.. He knows how much double-teaming can backfire.

But Kerr was wrong on this one, and I was too - I initially thought Kerr should play Lebron straight-up, with no double-teaming... But I was forgetting one of my own rules about how high shooting volume can control the pace and flow of the game - and that's what Lebron is doing to perfection.. It's the same with MJ - you could never win a series against MJ by NOT double-teaming him, and no team ever TRIED to beat him by not doubling.

But the reality is that GSW are not as good as the Spurs, who could maintain their scoring at ANY pace or game flow.. Whereas GSW can't score at the bogged-down pace and game flow that Lebron is setting.

Here's the thing - MJ still beat you despite the double-teams, and Lebron might too.. But I think Lebron's chances of winning against double teams is less than MJ's, for several reasons... Firstly, MJ circumvented a lot of double-teaming by playing off-ball.. Lebron can't resort to off-ball play... Secondly, Lebron doesn't have his #2 right now (Kyrie), whereas MJ had Pippen.. Thirdly, MJ was a slimmer, quicker, true guard, who could navigate double teams better - whenever he was doubled, he would QUICKLY put himself in a position to make a play out of that double team.. MJ's navigation of double-teams looked effortless and beautiful, whereas I think Lebron is slower to decide and clunkier out of double teams.
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[ClipperRevival]

Kerr is naturally opposed to double-teaming a guy like Lebron, because Kerr knows first-hand that the double-teams on MJ is what gave him (Kerr) a meaningful career.. He knows how much double-teaming can backfire.

But Kerr was wrong on this one, and I was too - I initially thought Kerr should play Lebron straight-up, with no double-teaming... But I was forgetting one of my own rules about how high shooting volume can control the pace and flow of the game - and that's what Lebron is doing to perfection.. It's the same with MJ - you could never win a series against MJ by NOT double-teaming him, and no team ever TRIED to beat him by not doubling.

But the reality is that GSW are not as good as the Spurs, who could maintain their scoring at ANY pace or game flow.. Whereas GSW can't score at the bogged-down pace and game flow that Lebron is setting.

Here's the thing - MJ still beat you despite the double-teams, and Lebron might too.. But I think Lebron's chances of winning against double teams is less than MJ's, for several reasons... Firstly, MJ circumvented a lot of double-teaming by playing off-ball.. Lebron can't resort to off-ball play... Secondly, Lebron doesn't have his #2 right now (Kyrie), whereas MJ had Pippen.. Thirdly, MJ was a slimmer, quicker, true guard, who could navigate double teams better - whenever he was doubled, he would QUICKLY put himself in a position to make a play out of that double team.. MJ's navigation of double-teams looked effortless and beautiful, whereas I think Lebron is slower to decide and clunkier out of double teams.
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The big difference between the two right now is that Bron is operating mostly out of the post, within 10 feet and they still aren't doubling. I am fine with letting Bron settle for jumpers all day, just like SAS did. But this version of Bron is smarter and better and he's not settling for jumpers. His main activity is within 10 feet, with his back to the basket and he's getting way too many easy looks.

[Trollsmasher]

OP got double-teamed last night and he certainly could not handle it

[SouBeachTalents]

I always thought that Jordan was GOAT, but after reading these threads I now see LeBron > Jordan. Thanks OP

[Goldrush25]

Kerr needs to adjust.

He may not be able to. It's easy to say to say what they should do, double Lebron and start getting Klay/Steph easier looks closer to the basket that will put some pressure on the Cleveland D. But their roster is not built to do either of those. To start asking them to do things they haven't done yet may be a recipe for disaster.

When have they really made any adjustments in these playoffs? Even against Memphis their problem (Tony Allen) resolved itself by getting an injury. It's not like they figured anything out. So to hear them say that they've been here before, well no you really haven't.

Even still, if they get red hot from 3 one of these games they can win. But Cleveland has controlled every game essentially. I see no reason why it won't continue.

[ClipperRevival]

He may not be able to. It's easy to say to say what they should do, double Lebron and start getting Klay/Steph easier looks closer to the basket that will put some pressure on the Cleveland D. But their roster is not built to do either of those. To start asking them to do things they haven't done yet may be a recipe for disaster.

When have they really made any adjustments in these playoffs? Even against Memphis their problem (Tony Allen) resolved itself by getting an injury. It's not like they figured anything out. So to hear them say that they've been here before, well no you really haven't.

Even still, if they get red hot from 3 one of these games they can win. But Cleveland has controlled every game essentially. I see no reason why it won't continue.

You don't need great defenders to double effectively. Besides, they have a lot of long, wing defenders who can double quickly. That is one of their strengths, their length at the wing positions. Iggy, Livingston, Klay, Barnes, etc. And you add in Green.

The point is, you have to adjust in the playoffs. If one team is killing you with a certain aspect of the game, you have to adjust and see how that plays out. If you adjust and they continue to kill you, you have to find another way to get it done. But you can't just let Bron operate within 10 feet of the basket alone.