Pistons pick up Ilyasova

[Nastradamus]

We got Ilyasova from Milwaukee in a salary dump. Gave up Butler(non guaranteed) and Shawne Williams.

Love it myself.


http://www.insidehoops.com/pistons-bucks-trade-061115.shtml

[embersyc]

:pimp:

[dd24]

Solid move. It makes sense and he fits in. He has been incredibly inconsistent but maybe in Detroit he can figure it out. This pretty much tells me they think Moose is gone.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/11/8767567/bucks-trade-ersan-ilyasova-to-pistons-caron-butler

[Aussie Dunker]

A TRUE SVG kinda guy - love it.

6'9" and 235 pound stretch PF. In the two years he received 28 minutes per game he put up:

2012 - 13ppg / 8.8rpg / 46% 3pt
2013 - 13.2ppg / 7.1rpg / 44% 3pt

Will space the floor perfectly next to Dre,

Would also probably tilt the scales towards a SF at the draft and not a PF,

Kind of like an upgrade to Tolliver, but I hope we keep Tolliver around as he would be a great combo F option off the bench for 10 - 15 mins.

[dd24]

With the lineup Detroit has I would expect him to average around 15ppg and shoot over 40% from the 3pt line. Some of this strategy towards getting outside shooters is Dre better really be working on his post game. If Drummond needs a double team it opens up everything on the outside. If teams can defend him with single coverage the shooters are going to have a much more difficult time.

[Aussie Dunker]

^^ I'm really hoping Dre is putting in work on his post passing too, a guy who doesn't score much but is an amazing post passer is Bogut. But I want Dre to be way more aggresive than that, but when he needs to whip a pass out to the open man I want it crisp!

[dd24]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/fantasy-basketball-today/25212065/andre-drummond-the-big-winner-of-detroits-trade?FTAG=YHF7e3228e

Pretty good article. It makes some sense. It would also be cool if there were more Pistons fans than the 3 of us lol. Nonetheless, we'll keep this going. When Detroit was good there were a lot of us. The next year or so will be us I guess hahaha.

[ZMonkey11]

I'm pretty sure there are more than the 3 of you. Also, we probably aren't talking because this is a trade that leads us where we were last year. How big of a change is ersan over Williams? They are about the same guy, one is white. Is he jerebko with a slightly better 3? Ersan has been in the league what 7-8 years now and still hasn't carved out a niche for himself. He's wildly inconsistent.

[Aussie Dunker]

^^ Very inconsistent, but I feel like he hasn't had the best pieces around him for him to truly flourish, both personnel and coaching

Larry Krystkowiak
Scott Skiles
Jim Boylan
Larry Drew
Jason Kidd

5 coaches over 7 years,

With SVG, a very well credentialed and respected coach league wide, he has a chance to be well coached and play in a system that truly suits him.

If anyone can find success in Ilyasova, it will be SVG

And yeah we didn't give up much for him, low risk move

[ZMonkey11]

Given Jerebko's PT, how much of an upgrade is Ilyasova over Jerebko?

[Aussie Dunker]

I hear what you are saying ^^ And in the past few seasons yeah, i'd say a little better, but under SVG, I think his game will flourish and be a lot better than Jerebko was.

Ofcourse I could be wrong - but I think playing for SVG as a stretch 4 gives Ilyasova the best chance to cash in on his skillset

[ZMonkey11]

We always need to stay positive, I guess. I mean, I tried after the acquisition of Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings.

I tried after Butler and Martin.

We just aren't going for players that we need. We had stretch 4s already. All of them weren't strong enough to actually play the 4. We got rid of them. Then we get another one.

We need 3 and D players. Besides KCP, we don't have anyone that can guard the perimeter.

I'm higher on the acquisition of Ilyasova over say Josh Smith, but we are still scrapping by as a 6th seed at best.

[Nastradamus]

Given Jerebko's PT, how much of an upgrade is Ilyasova over Jerebko?

Probably not a huge one in the grand scheme of things, but SVG never seemed to feel comfortable with Jerebko. Ilyasova has a little higher upside IMO. Has topped out at a 20 PER where as Jerebko topped out around 15-16. I think Ilya is more likely to get off more 3s per game though.

He also has a non guaranteed deal for next year that could be a useful trade chip.

[dd24]

Glad to see we have on more on the board :cheers: I think Ilyasova is a big upgrade over Jerebko. After Jerebko's injury he just never quite seemed the same. I also think Ilyasova is going to play quite a bit, at least at first. If he's very inconsistent (which could be the case) and loses the trust of the coaching staff his minutes will decrease. With Monroe leaving though, he's going to have to get minutes. I also think he's going to get a few minutes at SF too. That position will probably be KCP for a few minutes per game when they go small, a few minutes to Ilyasova and whoever they draft. I agree it's not the big time acquisition that the Pistons needed. But it is a player that does fit our needs. I still offer LMA the max.

[Aussie Dunker]

Ilyasova can deff play periods at the 3, and he is actually a better defender than people give him credit for - he is surprisingly handy. Very good rebounder:

He has 14 x 15+ rebound games, putting him 4th all time for the Bucks in that category. I guess this is an area he separates himself from Jerebko,

Also, he was second in the NBA in 3-point shooting in 2011-12 at 45.5 percent and fourth the following season at 44.4. Another area he seperates himself from Jerebko.

I think he has a pretty good shot at being a very effective deep shooter and rebounder for SVG and this Pistons team. Biggest thing for Ersan is finding consistency, but I think he is in the best place he can be to fulfill this...

[ZMonkey11]

Ilyasova can deff play periods at the 3, and he is actually a better defender than people give him credit for - he is surprisingly handy. Very good rebounder:

He has 14 x 15+ rebound games, putting him 4th all time for the Bucks in that category. I guess this is an area he separates himself from Jerebko,

Also, he was second in the NBA in 3-point shooting in 2011-12 at 45.5 percent and fourth the following season at 44.4. Another area he seperates himself from Jerebko.

I think he has a pretty good shot at being a very effective deep shooter and rebounder for SVG and this Pistons team. Biggest thing for Ersan is finding consistency, but I think he is in the best place he can be to fulfill this...

I'll keep my head up in this one, but I feel like we got a tweener forward that will start, when he should be the firstan coming off the bench and spelling a starter. Whiiiiiiccchhhhh can still happen. There are some mighty tasty PF/SF options coming on the market that will fit with svg.

Namely Green, who I heard is not likely to come to the D, but man that is the gritty 3 ball/defender we need.

WHY DIDNT WE GET IGGGGGGYYYYY?!?!? **** Josh Smith.

[Aussie Dunker]

I think that in todays league, Ersan is much more of a stretch 4, than a SF. With all this small ball going on and players such as DeRozen, Wiggins, Butler etc playing SF, I think he would be found out a little there...

I agree with Ersan being a GREAT first big man off the bench, he is versatile and would be a strong scorer, even somewhat of a "go-to" guy off the bench against other teams second units. And he could also be a closer for us too.

Hopefully we get T.Harris to man the PF - the new breed

[dd24]

There's another wing player on the market now, Lebron James. We should offer him the max :lol :oldlol:

[Aussie Dunker]

Yeah but will already have Johnson, Miller, Martin and even Ilyasova can play SF, not sure how Lebron quite fits into our plans....

[nuraman00]

Ilyasova is a good versatile combo forward.

Can rebound, slash, hit some outside shots.

[Aussie Dunker]

So far Ersan has been fairly average, not bad, but also not overly impactfull yet - it's early days so will need a larger sample size, hasn't really "stretched" the floor yet.

One positive thing I will say is that he looks comfortable, calm and not forcing anything of Offense, a big change up from Smith......

[dd24]

I'm actually not expecting much from him. He seems like he's just going to be an average player.

[Aussie Dunker]

I was expecting something like 13 / 7 with two 3's per game on good %,

By the small (very small) sample size so far, i'm thinking more like 10 / 5 with 1.5 threes...

[dd24]

Right now I'm expecting more from Morris and Tolliver. Ilyasova seemed like a good fit but he hasn't impressed me at all yet.

[Aussie Dunker]

Early days.. Early days,

Let's hope this changes, counting on him being able to knock down deep shots to spread the floor - counting on him to be our best shooter above 6'6

[Aussie Dunker]

Every single time he touched the ball today he faked a shot immediately, very predictable, think he also picked up around 3 offensive fouls, takes far too many off-balance leaners when he gets himself in trouble...

Would not be surprised to see us start the season with todays starting lineup, with Stanley at the 3 and Morris at the 4

[dd24]

Not only would I not be surprised, that's my preferred starting lineup. We need Stanley getting as much experience as possible. Plus it's just the best we have for a chance at winning a game right now.

[dd24]

Although, without a doubt Ersan Ilyasova played way better than Morris did today. PF is going to kill us this year. Hopefully we can draft one after the season.

[Aussie Dunker]

Loving what Bobby Portis is doing over in Chi town, would trade our 16' first round pick for him straight out!!

[dd24]

They're probably loving that pick now too. Give him a few years for when Pau leaves town I'm guessing is what their plan is.

[Aussie Dunker]

Yeah they have Mirotic and Portis, neither is reallya prospect at the C position though, both true PF's. Also have Gibson who is a beast of a 6th man who will take minutes.

Bulls are set at big man over the next 2 - 3 years

Noah / Gibson
Pau / Mirotic / Portis

[dd24]

It looks like there's quite a few PF's projected for the top 15 of next years draft. Most places are projecting us to not make the playoffs, which could definitely be likely so we very well could be picking in the late lottery. My guess is they try to fill that need through the draft. The other option is to trade Brandon Jennings (and possibly others) to upgrade the PF position.

[Aussie Dunker]

Would happily trade Jennings + 1st for Portis, HAPPILY

This kid is a stud, insane motor - reminds me of a Faried with length and skill

Has some 3 point range, too - will develop into a good outside shooter in 2 or 3 years time,

Imagine the hustle / motor / tenacity / defense of Dre / Portis / Stanley / KCP - average age of 21