1993 Suns vs. 2015 Warriors

[3ball]

Obviously, MJ and his vastly superior supporting cast (than what Lebron has right now) would be destroying these Warriors.

But the Bulls were only dead-even with the Suns - both teams scored exactly 106.7 PPG and had a 113.0 offensive rating in the 1993 Finals.

The fact that MJ and his vastly superior supporting cast would destroy these Warriors, but were only dead even with the Suns, proves the Suns vastly > Warriors.

:confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

Knew this was only a matter of time.

[Milbuck]

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[TheReal Kendall]

:roll:

Suns in 5

[Bigsmoke]

The one that plays defense

[LikeABosh]

Reported for spam.

[Kvnzhangyay]

And yet the Suns, although not bad on defense during the season that year, were horrible at defense during the postseason

[SilkkTheShocker]

91 Lakers - Old and past prime. Injuries.
92 Blazers- Notorious chokers
93 Suns - No bench or center.
96 Sonics - Current Clippers with better wings, worse center. Nothing special
97 Jazz- Past-prime Stockon/Hornacek, 4th option was b. russell :oldlol:
98 Jazz- Same as 97, only Ostertag got worse

None of the teams Jordan beat in the Finals were all too impressive. And I have trouble seeing a career loser like Barkley getting past GS to win it all. Christ, Jordan beat up on some tomato cans in the 90s :eek:

[Spurs m8]

Rent free

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Warriors would destroy not only the Suns, but also the Bulls. Bulls have no one who could attack this Warriors team like LeBron has.

[oarabbus]

Warriors would destroy not only the Suns, but also the Bulls. Bulls have no one who could attack this Warriors team like LeBron has.


This. MJ would be lucky to have 2 rings had he played against this Warrior team.

[BBallZen83]

Dude... Are you trying to get banned again, like right away?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Better discussion would be 96 Bulls vs. 2006 Heat

Who ya guys got?

I say Miami. No one quick enough on Chicago to guard Wade. And Miami has Payton to shut Jordan down again

[hateraid]

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Good timing

[Roundball_Rock]

The Barkley-era Suns are overrated. The 2000's SSOL Suns were more successful overall, even if they never reached the Finals.


Yeah, the Suns won a league best 62 games and reached the Finals in 93' but they were hardly a juggernaut. They almost lost in the first round to the #8 seeded Lakers, losing the first 2 games and narrowly winning Game 3 to stave off elimination (this was when the first round was 5 games). They then needed 7 games to be a Sonics team in the WCF with a pre-prime Payton and pre-prime Kemp. They were the top scoring team but only 18th in points allowed.

1994 and 1995 were basically replays. The Suns won 56 games and 59 games respectively in those years, swept the first round and then lost in 7 games in the WCSF to the Rockets--including blowing a 3-1 series lead in 95'.

The Suns were one of those teams that were better on paper than on the court. It is amusing to see MJ stans try to present the team as some sort of juggernaut in an attempt to inflate the competition he faced. The fact is the toughest consistent competition the 90's Bulls faced were the Ewing-Starks Knicks.

[3ball]

Bulls have no one who could attack this Warriors team like LeBron has.



Poor MJ.. What would he possibly do against no help defenders on strongside?.. :facepalm


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You guys realize that Lebron is shooting 32.5% on these isolations right?

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1&sort=Time&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs


The only reason the Cavs are winning is because these isolations allow the Cavs to control pace and take the Warriors out of their offensive comfort zone - consequently, the Warriors have drastically underperformed offensively, so the Cavs are winning.

But Blatt has been an innovator.. No coach in history has ever stationed 4 players BEHIND the far side of the paint on the weakside, so the remaining player can go 1-on-1 all alone on the strongside..

With these clearouts, not only are there no help defenders on the strongside, but all help defenders are behind the far side of the paint - defenders are helping from the furthest distance possible.. This takes best advantage of the spacing... Now that Blatt is going to win a championship doing this, you'll see other teams copy.
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[stephanieg]

There's a reason Jordan averaged 44 or whatever against the Suns. Watch the 55 pt game, it's mostly Jordan dribbling past guys like they're traffic cones.

[red1]

shut the **** up 3ball

[RoundMoundOfReb]

<something about spacing, probably>

1-9

[3ball]

1-9


With no all-stars.

Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005, the same year Zydrunas was an all-star (Z was all-star in 2003 too).

So when Lebron won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with a 2-time all-star (Zydrunas in 2003 and 2005).

MJ never had any all-stars while going 1-9 against Bird's 86' and 87' Celtics.. But the moment he got just 1, he went 6/6... Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 in Miami with TWO all-stars.

[Roundball_Rock]

With no all-stars.

Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005, the same year Zydrunas was an all-star (Z was also an all-star in 2003).

So when Lebron won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with a 2-time all-star (Zydrunas in 2003 and 2005).

MJ never had any all-stars while going 1-9 vs. Bird's 86' and 87' Celtics.. But the moment he got just 1, he went 6/6... Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 in Miami with TWO all-stars.

Z was a 17 and 15 ppg #2 option those years; Jordan had a 23 ppg and 21 ppg SF as his #2 option and a 16 ppg #3 option in 85' and 86'. How much more did the "GOAT" need from his #2 and #3 options?

[3ball]

Z was a 17 and 15 ppg #2 option those years; Jordan had a 23 ppg and 21 ppg SF as his #2 option and a 16 ppg #3 option in 85' and 86'. How much more did the "GOAT" need from his #2 and #3 options?


Z was one of the best players in the league (top 24, since he was an all-star), while Woolridge was nowhere near - maybe that's a testament to the superiority of the 80's.. Who knows... But the point remains that Lebron played with one of the best players in the league, while MJ did not.

Lebron also had All-NBA first team defender Larry Hughes, who had been the NBA steals leader..

Bottom line is that Lebron had one of the best players in the league (All-Star Zydrunas) when he missed the playoffs and won his first playoff game, wheras MJ didn't when he was going 1-9 vs. the Celtics..

But the moment MJ got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6... Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.
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[LAZERUSS]

The '93 Suns were an outstanding team, with several stars. They went 62-20, scored 113.7 ppg, allowed 106.7 ppg, with a +7.0 ppg diffrential. They shot an eFG% of .521, and a TS% of .566. They allowed an FG% of .496. They were first in scoring, first in eFG%, 18th in ppg allowed, and 17th in FG% allowed.

The '15 Warriors obviously went 67-15, scored 110.0 ppg, allowed 99.9 ppg, or a +10.1 ppg differential. Thy shot an FG% of .540, and a TS% of .571. They allowed an eFG% of .470. They were first in scoring (by a wide margin), first in eFG%, 15th in ppg allowed, and first in eFG% allowed.

So, from the above, the '15 Warriors were, at the very least, the equal of the '93 Suns on the offensive end, BUT, were a FAR better defensive team. And overall, they were simply a more dominant team.

In fact, I would go out on a limb, and suggest that the '15 Warriors were a better team than the '93 Bulls.

Of course, the bottom line...Lebron is facing a MUCH stronger defense in the '15 Warriors, than what MJ faced against the '93 Suns.

[Springsteen]

do you wonder if 3ball feels proud of himself when he spends time downloading recordings of the final games off some russian upload website, chopping them into GIFs for hours, and then using them in some jordan>lebron post most people will skim over or laugh at

[juju151111]

The '93 Suns were an outstanding team, with several stars. They went 62-20, scored 113.7 ppg, allowed 106.7 ppg, with a +7.0 ppg diffrential. They shot an eFG% of .521, and a TS% of .566. They allowed an FG% of .496. They were first in scoring, first in eFG%, 18th in ppg allowed, and 17th in FG% allowed.

The '15 Warriors obviously went 67-15, scored 110.0 ppg, allowed 99.9 ppg, or a +10.1 ppg differential. Thy shot an FG% of .540, and a TS% of .571. They allowed an eFG% of .470. They were first in scoring (by a wide margin), first in eFG%, 15th in ppg allowed, and first in eFG% allowed.

So, from the above, the '15 Warriors were, at the very least, the equal of the '93 Suns on the offensive end, BUT, were a FAR better defensive team. And overall, they were simply a more dominant team.

In fact, I would go out on a limb, and suggest that the '15 Warriors were a better team than the '93 Bulls.

Of course, the bottom line...Lebron is facing a MUCH stronger defense in the '15 Warriors, than what MJ faced against the '93 Suns.
LJ is facing one on one defense vs Barnes,Iggy and Livingston. Lmao at the 15 Warriors being better then the 93 Bulls.

[Kvnzhangyay]

LJ is facing one on one defense vs Barnes,Iggy and Livingston. Lmao at the 15 Warriors being better then the 93 Bulls.

Defensively-wise they are without a doubt...

[LAZERUSS]

LJ is facing one on one defense vs Barnes,Iggy and Livingston. Lmao at the 15 Warriors being better then the 93 Bulls.

You obviously know nothing about the game of basketball, my friend.

:facepalm

[Genaro]

I'm a known Lebron hater but didn't 3ball said before the finals started that Lebron couldn't avg 40 like MJ did in 93 so he wouldn't win this year?

[LAZERUSS]

Based on performance against the league (and that doesn't even take into account the fact they played in a much tougher Western Conference), the '15 Warriors have a solid case as one of the greatest regular season teams of all-time. Whether that plays out in the Finals is still unknown, but anyone suggesting that the '93 Suns were as good is simply being biased, and not objective.

[ShawkFactory]

Z was one of the best players in the league (top 24, since he was an all-star), while Woolridge was nowhere near - maybe that's a testament to the superiority of the 80's.. Who knows... But the point remains that Lebron played with one of the best players in the league, while MJ did not.

Lebron also had All-NBA first team defender Larry Hughes, who had been the NBA steals leader..

Bottom line is that Lebron had one of the best players in the league (All-Star Zydrunas) when he missed the playoffs and won his first playoff game, wheras MJ didn't when he was going 1-9 vs. the Celtics..

But the moment MJ got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6... Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.
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So now it becomes even more clear how much of a trolling/melting douche you are :roll:

[juju151111]

You obviously know nothing about the game of basketball, my friend.

:facepalm
Out of 200+ possessions LJ been doubled like 15 times. Also expect Grant to outplay inexperience draymond green. Basketball doesn't work that way. If it Did on paper the Warriors would of swept the Cavs. The game plan and execution is what is important along with matchups. They don't have anyone to guard MJ. I don't see Mj missing has much has LJ because he isn't a horrible jumpshooter.

[juju151111]

Based on performance against the league (and that doesn't even take into account the fact they played in a much tougher Western Conference), the '15 Warriors have a solid case as one of the greatest regular season teams of all-time. Whether that plays out in the Finals is still unknown, but anyone suggesting that the '93 Suns were as good is simply being biased, and not objective.
They are not being bias dumbass. I would take the 02 kings over 15 Warriors.

[Roundball_Rock]

I'm a known Lebron hater but didn't 3ball said before the finals started that Lebron couldn't avg 40 like MJ did in 93 so he wouldn't win this year?

:D