if mj posted up almost every play with no double teams

[diamenz]

...and got the turn around fade away towards the key every play while being surrounded by three point shooters.

stat line?

[LAZERUSS]

...and got the turn around fade away towards the key every play while being surrounded by three point shooters.

stat line?


Depends...against the '15 Warriors...probably around 40 ppg on a .400 FG%, but with less rebounds and assists.

[diamenz]

ya, sorry - against the '15 warriors.

[raprap]

Depends...against the '15 Warriors...probably around 40 ppg on a .400 FG%, but with less rebounds and assists.
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[juju151111]

Depends...against the '15 Warriors...probably around 40 ppg on a .400 FG%, but with less rebounds and assists.
Wait I'm confused? Is Mj a horrible jumpshooter like LJ? Why would Mj only average 40%?

[RRR3]

Wait I'm confused? Is Mj a horrible jumpshooter like LJ? Why would Mj only average 40%?
LeBrons not usually a horrible jumpshooter. Something's wrong with his shot.

[LAZERUSS]

Wait I'm confused? Is Mj a horrible jumpshooter like LJ? Why would Mj only average 40%?

Hmmm...when a prime MJ faced the Knicks in the '93 playoffs...you know, a great defensive team like the '15 Warriors.... 32.2 ppg on a .400 FG%.

[Deuce Bigalow]

More than Wilt I can't score on Russell or Reed in the Finals Chamberlain

[diamenz]

you guys realize that this was mj's un-guardable signature move that was almost automatic with single coverage, right? it blows my mind what he would average in a series against the 15 warriors.

[jimmy77x]

LeBrons not usually a horrible jumpshooter. Something's wrong with his shot.

He isnt cherry picking shots for a good fg% like the heat days. Bron showing his true colors, he cant shoot well consistently.

[LAZERUSS]

More than Wilt I can't score on Russell or Reed in the Finals Chamberlain

Of course, a prime Chamberlain was hanging 38-40 ppg seasons on each. And a prime Wilt was routinely hanging 30-34 pppg playoff series on Russell, and near 30 ppg Finals on him (and on FG%'s that were a full 10+ percentage points above the post-season league average.)

Thanks for playing though...

[juju151111]

Hmmm...when a prime MJ faced the Knicks in the '93 playoffs...you know, a great defensive team like the '15 Warriors.... 32.2 ppg on a .400 FG%.
The Knicks wasn't playing MJ 1v1 and Mj had a bad wrist. This is how the Knicks played them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ&app=desktop

[Deuce Bigalow]

Of course, a prime Chamberlain was hanging 38-40 ppg seasons on each. And a prime Wilt was routinely hanging 30-34 pppg playoff series on Russell, and near 30 ppg Finals on him (and on FG%'s that were a full 10+ percentage points above the post-season league average.)

Thanks for playing though...
I was looking over the 1970 Finals Laz to further analyze Wilt's 2/6 resume...

G1
Wilt - 17
Reed - 37

G2
Wilt - 19
Reed - 29

G3
Wilt - 21
Reed - 38

G4
Wilt - 18
Reed - 23

Reed gets injured after that. How come Wilt got rekt?

[LAZERUSS]

I was looking over the 1970 Finals Laz to further analyze Wilt's 2/6 resume...

G1
Wilt - 17
Reed - 37

G2
Wilt - 19
Reed - 29

G3
Wilt - 21
Reed - 38

G4
Wilt - 18
Reed - 23

Reed gets injured after that. How come Wilt got rekt?

Chamberlain badly ourebounded and outshot Reed in thos first four games. In fact, a one-legged Wilt battled a prime Reed to a draw in those four games.

Of course, just the season before, and when Reed became the Knicks starting center...a much healthier Wilt vs Reed...


Willis Reed vs Wilt in 2 regular season H2H's:

(Reed took over the center position after Bellamy was traded in mid-season)

Reed: 20.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 3.0 apg, .459 FG%
Wilt: 28.0 ppg, 22.0 rpg, 4.0 apg, .688 FG%.


Furthermore, how about a prime Wilt vs Reed...


Wilt vs. the other HOF centers in the 64-65 season:

Reed's stats vs the other HOF centers:

Thurmond in 3 H2H's: 9.7 ppg, no known rpg, and no known FG%s.
Russell in 9 H2H's: 19.7 ppg, 18.6 rpg, no known FG%'s.
Bellamy in 10 H2H's: 21.2 ppg, 17.0 rpg (3 known games) and no known FG%.
Wilt in 12 H2H's: 22.9 ppg, 17.0 rpg (2 known H2H's), .333 FG% (1 known game.).

Reed had games of 38 and 35 points against Wilt. His high game against Russell was 25 points. His high game against Nate was only 15 points. And his high game against Bellamy was 31.

Bellamy in 9 H2H's: 38.3 ppg, 21.7 rpg, .547 FG% (8 known games.)
Reed in 12 H2H's: 38.6 ppg, 21.2 rpg, .532 FG% (8 known games.)
Russell in 11 reg H2H's: 25.4 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 4.2 apg, .473 FG%
Nate in 3 H2H's: 26.7 ppg, 26.3 rpg, .500 FG%.

Chamberlain had a horrible 7-21 FG/FGA game against Nate, but historically, that was an aberration. He also had a 34-26 game, on 13-20 FG/FGA against him, as well. Overall, in their 3 H2H's, Wilt held a 3-0 scoring margin, and a 1-0 margin in their only known rebounding H2H.

Wilt just shelled Reed in the majority of their 12 H2H's. He outscored him 11-1, including margins of 37-22, 29-12, 46-25, 52-23, 41-8, and 58-28. He also had rebounding games of 28, 32, and 32 against Reed.

Reed was manhandled his entire career by Wilt.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chamberlain badly ourebounded and outshot Reed in thos first four games. In fact, a one-legged Wilt battled a prime Reed to a draw in those four games.

Of course, just the season before, and when Reed became the Knicks starting center...a much healthier Wilt vs Reed...




Furthermore, how about a prime Wilt vs Reed...



Reed was manhandled his entire career by Wilt.
Reed 2-0 with 2 FMVP vs Wilt yet Wilt manhandled him? You sure Laz?

[LAZERUSS]

Reed 2-0 with 2 FMVP vs Wilt yet Wilt manhandled him? You sure Laz?

Reed vs Wilt in the '70 Finals (all SEVEN games): (Keep in mind that the series was deadlocked 2-2 when Reed sustained his injury...but also keep in mind that Wilt was only FOUR MONTHS FROM MAJOR KNEE SURGERY)

Reed: 23.0 ppg, 10.5 rpg, .483 FG%
Wilt: 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, .625 FG%

In the last THREE games of the series:

Reed: 11 pts, 3 rebs, .400 FG%
Wilt: 88 pts, 70 rebs, .709 FG%

Wilt was, BY FAR, the more dominant player in that series, and it was a complete JOKE that Reed won the FMVP.


The '73 Finals...NEITHER played particularly well, but someone had to win the award. Reed slightly outscored Wilt, but Wilt pounded him on the glass, and slightly outshot him from the field.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Reed vs Wilt in the '70 Finals (all SEVEN games): (Keep in mind that the series was deadlocked 2-2 when Reed sustained his injury...but also keep in mind that Wilt was only FOUR MONTHS FROM MAJOR KNEE SURGERY)

Reed: 23.0 ppg, 10.5 rpg, .483 FG%
Wilt: 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, .625 FG%

In the last THREE games of the series:

Reed: 11 pts, 3 rebs, .400 FG%
Wilt: 88 pts, 70 rebs, .709 FG%

Wilt was, BY FAR, the more dominant player in that series, and it was a complete JOKE that Reed won the FMVP.


The '73 Finals...NEITHER played particularly well, but someone had to win the award. Reed slightly outscored Wilt, but Wilt pounded him on the glass, and slightly outshot him from the field.
Reed didn't play in Game 6 the game where Wilt had 45/27

The only relavant numbers where you can compare the two when they actually played similar minutes are the first 4 games, only have the ppg...

Reed - 31.8
Wilt - 18.8

[LAZERUSS]

Reed didn't play in Game 6 the game where Wilt had 45/27

The only relavant numbers where you can compare the two when they actually played similar minutes are the first 4 games, only have the ppg...

Reed - 31.8
Wilt - 18.8

I don't care if Reed played in game six, or not. Chamberlain, facing the equivalent of what Shaq faced in his entire '02 Finals...put up a 45-27 game, in a "must win" game. He was, BY FAR, the best Laker player in that game...and in fact, in those last three games.

As for those first four games...

A ONE-LEGGED Wilt going against a far healthier Reed...

outshot Reed .543 to .491, and outrebounded him, 99-61.

Again, the recaps clearly show that this one-legged Wilt battled a peak Reed to a draw in the first four games. And with the series tied 2-2, Wilt absolutely crushed Reed in the last three games.

Reed contributed nothing in the last three games, and yet won the FMVP? A complete JOKE.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I don't care if Reed played in game six, or not. Chamberlain, facing the equivalent of what Shaq faced in his entire '02 Finals...put up a 45-27 game, in a "must win" game. He was, BY FAR, the best Laker player in that game...and in fact, in those last three games.

As for those first four games...

A ONE-LEGGED Wilt going against a far healthier Reed...

outshot Reed .543 to .491, and outrebounded him, 99-61.

Again, the recaps clearly show that this one-legged Wilt battled a peak Reed to a draw in the first four games. And with the series tied 2-2, Wilt absolutely crushed Reed in the last three games.

Reed contributed nothing in the last three games, and yet won the FMVP? A complete JOKE.
54% to 49% with that difference in ppg is nothing plus if you factor in FT% then Wilt doesn't have a clear advantage.

Reed couldnt even run in Game 7 lol congrats for crushing him. He took the ring and the fmvp.

[Straight_Ballin]

Anyone that watched that series would clearly say that wilt was outperformed by reed. Stat line simpletons have no compelling argument.

[LAZERUSS]

Anyone that watched that series would clearly say that wilt was outperformed by reed. Stat line simpletons have no compelling argument.

Obviously you did not.

Wilt easily outplayed a shot-jacking Reed in games two and four (Laker wins). And of course, in the last three pivotal games, Wilt was by far, the best player on the floor. Not even a question. Reed was worthless the last three games, and th fact that NY beat the Lakers in two of them was not Wilt's fault. Frazier wiped the floor with West in game seven.

BTW. Reed's injury was almost exactly the same one that Wilt sustained before the '68 EDF's. And yet, Chamberlain played every minute of that seven game series, and put up a 22 ppg, 25 rpg series.

[sekachu]

Hmmm...when a prime MJ faced the Knicks in the '93 playoffs...you know, a great defensive team like the '15 Warriors.... 32.2 ppg on a .400 FG%.



are you really compare warriors to knicks defensive? :lol

The warriors defensive is good though

Prime MJ would average 40ppg with 50pg% with no double team coming

[LAZERUSS]

are you really compare warriors to knicks defensive? :lol

The warriors defensive is good though

Prime MJ would average 40ppg with 50pg% with no double team coming

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Against, by far, the best defense in the league.

Keep thinking that.

[juju151111]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Against, by far, the best defense in the league.

Keep thinking that.
They were defending him 1v1 the first 3 games.

[LAZERUSS]

They were defending him 1v1 the first 3 games.

That is nonsense, and you know it. Lebron was POSTING up, and taking shots from inside the restricted area, and against a slew of Warriors almost exclusively. Forget that 200/15 crap.

[Angel Face]

:oldlol:

Jordan is the goat scorer, not double / triple teaming him will be suicide for the opposing team. Play him one on one he will toast you with his quickness and scoring ability. He can blow by any defender 1 on 1 due to his insane agility and quickness and he can post up any defender one on one due to his supreme footwork. Imagine 88 - 93 MJ being played one on one every possession by the Warriors. 40ish ppg with 50%fg.