Wilt averaged 48.5

[Marchesk]

minutes in the season he averaged 50/25 on 40 FGA a game.

How come he didn't wear down over 82 games?

[navy]

19 ppg in the Finals suggest otherwise.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Because he's playing against guys who would be cut from a high school team in this era?

[warriorfan]

dropping 50 on small white guys isn't really strenuous activity

[kennethgriffin]

minutes in the season he averaged 50/25 on 40 FGA a game.

How come he didn't wear down over 82 games?


he did... haven't you seen the dip in his playoff numbers

he was -15ppg in the post season

[Marchesk]

19 ppg in the Finals suggest otherwise.

His team wasn't in the finals that season. Lost to the stacked Celtics in 7 games by two points.

Would have put up historic numbers on the Lakers if they had won.

[Marchesk]

he did... haven't you seen the dip in his playoff numbers

he was -15ppg in the post season

Was that fatigue or getting the ball less for some reason?

[navy]

His team wasn't in the finals that season. Lost to the stacked Celtics in 7 games by two points.

Would have put up historic numbers on the Lakers if they had won.
What did he average in the playoffs that year? Should have averaged 50+ on decreased efficiency.

[LAZERUSS]

19 ppg in the Finals suggest otherwise.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

In seasons in which he averaged 23 ppg.

Oh, and he also averaged 25 rpg, and shot .559 from the field in those six Finals, while holding his opposing centers to 16 rpg and on a .439 FG%.

One more thing...

Wilt played in 160 post-season games, and averaged... 47.2 mpg in them.

GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

dropping 50 on small white guys isn't really strenuous activity
Yeah your moms does it everytime she at a midget convention

[dunksby]

He cared more about RS than postseason?

[Jameerthefear]

19ppg in the finals. Next.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

He cared more about RS than postseason?

Pretty much.

[LAZERUSS]

dropping 50 on small white guys isn't really strenuous activity

Oh sure, he would routinely hang 50 on the 6-10 white centers that he faced in his career, but then he also routinely hung 50 on the 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy (who would measure 7-0+ in today's NBA), as well as the several 50+ games he hung on the near 6-10 Russell, who was every bit as tall as Dwight, Cousins, D. Jordan, and Drummond.

Thanks for playing though...

[Asukal]

Maybe I should make a topic "Wilt won only 2 rings, claims to be GOAT". :rolleyes:

[NZStreetBaller]

Op has a point..... hes friggen huge and played for ages and long periods of time and heavily involved. Why cant players do it these days.

[josh99]

Op has a point..... hes friggen huge and played for ages and long periods of time and heavily involved. Why cant players do it these days.
I'd say the game has changed quite a bit since then.

[Marchesk]

I'd say the game has changed quite a bit since then.

Like the pace slowing down.

[warriorfan]

Like the pace slowing down.

Yeah let's see Wilt average 50 PPG with the modern slower pace.










:yaohappy:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Haters will find ways to hate but, bottom line, no matter which way you wanna twist it, that's ****in incredible in terms of stamina, endurance, toughness... Dude was also standing at over 7 foot tall, weighing like 270 or more pounds, doing a whole lot on the court...

Then, adding to all of that, game was much more physical, consideranbly higher pace, none of these modern "luxuries" you can think of, for example look at stuff like the shoes, travelling conditions, medicine, suplements, so on...

And as for the short white guys argument(ignorance)... Look up Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy, Wes Unseld, Walter Dukes, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Darrall Imhoff, Bob Lanier...

[senelcoolidge]

Durability. Some guys are just more durable than others. In his latter playing career he was some what slowed down with injuries.

[Marchesk]

Yeah let's see Wilt average 50 PPG with the modern slower pace.

Wilt was on the Warriors for part of his career, you know. You don't have to hate on him.

Anyway, my post was about Wilt averaging 48.5 minutes a game over an entire season, at a faster pace.

[sd3035]

I could play an hour every day at the rec center and not get tired

[Bankaii]

I could play an hour every day at the rec center and not get tired
:facepalm You can't be this stupid.

[sd3035]

:facepalm You can't be this stupid.

not everyone is a fat computer nerd who gets tired walking to the fridge like you:lol

[Elosha]

What did he average in the playoffs that year? Should have averaged 50+ on decreased efficiency.

I don't believe Wilt made the playoffs in the year he averaged 50.

[sd3035]

I don't believe Wilt made the playoffs in the year he averaged 50.
Yes, he did, but in vintage Wilt fashion, he choked hard

[Elosha]

It is a great accomplishment for Wilt to have played every single minute of that season. Not exactly a good coaching strategy to never rest your star player, but still a testament to his overall endurance.

However, it must be looked at with some context. From what I've seen in Wilt's game footage, he was pretty much chained to the post on both offense and defense. So he was really doing a lot of standing and not as much moving on offense and defense as the guards/forwards. Other than moving across the key, shooting/dunking, banging with other bigs/posting up, or jumping to rebound or block shots. Not to say these activities aren't draining, but it's somewhat different in terms of how much he actually "ran" in a game vs. wing players who constantly have to fight through picks and screens, follow their man, and who have to move very quickly to either drive or stay with their man who's trying to drive.

In general, (and I say that in the broadest sense possible), bigs just don't have to run as much/or as fast as smaller players. They are generally the last down the court (of course they usually have to run further, from baseline to baseline), but they are not the speedsters running breakneck down the court like guards and athletic SF's. And running, especially sprint-like speeds, in basketball is the hardest thing from an endurance standpoint. All the rough stuff down in the key that bigs have to go through is also exhausting, but bigs often get a "break" for 10 or 12 seconds of a possession where the ball's being swung around or a guard is looking to penetrate the lane. The centers and power forwards sometimes get to basically just stand around on offense and defense, which gives them more time to recover their wind.

[Elosha]

Yes, he did, but in vintage Wilt fashion, he choked hard

Oh well it must have been the season he averaged 44 that he didn't make the playoffs. It was one of those two seasons.

[CavaliersFTW]

He cared more about RS than postseason?
He did? This is news to me.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cuNIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NgINAAAAIBAJ&dq=allintext:+wilt+chamberlain+blocked+shots&pg=2612,1404720&hl=en

"Would rather Warriors have a title says Wilt - (1962 season record/s) means nothing"

[Bankaii]

not everyone is a fat computer nerd who gets tired walking to the fridge like you:lol
The highest level of basketball you've played is middle school. Can you even dunk lol?

[dunksby]

He did? This is news to me.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cuNIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NgINAAAAIBAJ&dq=allintext:+wilt+chamberlain+blocked+shots&pg=2612,1404720&hl=en

"Would rather Warriors have a title says Wilt - (1962 season record/s) means nothing"
Of course he'd rather win the title but even he knew that Russel team was in the way. So he gathered as much records as he could since his team wasn't good enough.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't believe Wilt made the playoffs in the year he averaged 50.
Wilt and his Warriors almost won a title that season... only a Sam Jones buzzer beater sent the Warriors away, Wilt scored 5 points in the final 50 seconds of G7 EDF vs the Celtics to tie the game and push into over time. Tom Mescherry and Al Attles said someone didn't guard their man (Sam Jones) properly and it cost them the season. They had slaughtered LA every game that season, the WD champs they would have faced. And newspaper coverage testifies Wilt played magnificently in the '62 playoffs setting records early on and then volleying back and forth against Bill Russell in the EDF and being extremly clutch 2 games including the final game, his numbers at a glance don't tell the whole story.

[Pointguard]

he did... haven't you seen the dip in his playoff numbers

he was -15ppg in the post season
He averaged 35 and 27 that season in the playoffs.

[CavaliersFTW]

Of course he'd rather win the title but even he knew that Russel team was in the way. So he gathered as much records as he could since his team wasn't good enough.
From everything I've read I don't really believe that particularly that early in his career. For example he didn't initially want to score 50 a game at the start of that '62 season - the coach wanted him to do that, and had to convince him to do it. He didn't want to score 100 points in that Hershey game - he asked to come out of that game and the coach ignored him and the teammates kept feeding him because THEY wanted him to get that record. And after the game Al Attles said Wilt was actually upset he took 63 shots in a basketball game.

I believe later in his career/post-career after being chastized for years for contuously "not beating Bill Russell (The Celtics)" did he really begin to embrace this attitude of 'yeah well check out my records if you think I'm so terrible'. I'm not convinced records were his primary motive for playing I believe as he says in numerous articles accross his career that titles were his priority - though records I think were a secondary motivator. I think the gloating of records are his thin-skinned retort to critics that panned him for not winning as much.

[AirFederer]

Why we talk about Wilt in the middle of June?
Dude used to be invisible at this time of year.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why we talk about Wilt in the middle of June?
Dude used to be invisible at this time of year.
Correct, because in his era the Finals were played in April or May.

[AirFederer]

:lol :D

[riseagainst]

Wilt sucks dude. His regular season play does not translate to anything in the post season. AND he played against short, inferior player. What a choker.

[Psileas]

dropping 50 on small white guys isn't really strenuous activity

Which is why Curry has torched so much that small white guy after all, right? :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

His Coach should have cut his minutes in the regular season. That's why he struggled in the playoffs, and in the NBA Finals.

[dunksby]

From everything I've read I don't really believe that particularly that early in his career. For example he didn't initially want to score 50 a game at the start of that '62 season - the coach wanted him to do that, and had to convince him to do it. He didn't want to score 100 points in that Hershey game - he asked to come out of that game and the coach ignored him and the teammates kept feeding him because THEY wanted him to get that record. And after the game Al Attles said Wilt was actually upset he took 63 shots in a basketball game.

I believe later in his career/post-career after being chastized for years for contuously "not beating Bill Russell (The Celtics)" did he really begin to embrace this attitude of 'yeah well check out my records if you think I'm so terrible'. I'm not convinced records were his primary motive for playing I believe as he says in numerous articles accross his career that titles were his priority - though records I think were a secondary motivator. I think the gloating of records are his thin-skinned retort to critics that panned him for not winning as much.
Well he had to prove one way or another that he was better than Russell at least, and those records are what keep him among the all-time top 5 players.

[iamgine]

minutes in the season he averaged 50/25 on 40 FGA a game.

How come he didn't wear down over 82 games?
Unless you think Richie Guerin, Gene Shue, Bucky Bockhorn, etc were fitter than all of today's NBA athletes, in the past they just played more minutes on more possessions but not wear down. So we know wearing down is not about the minutes played.

[Pointguard]

Haters will find ways to hate but, bottom line, no matter which way you wanna twist it, that's ****in incredible in terms of stamina, endurance, toughness... Dude was also standing at over 7 foot tall, weighing like 270 or more pounds, doing a whole lot on the court...

Then, adding to all of that, game was much more physical, consideranbly higher pace, none of these modern "luxuries" you can think of, for example look at stuff like the shoes, travelling conditions, medicine, suplements, so on...

And as for the short white guys argument(ignorance)... Look up Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy, Wes Unseld, Walter Dukes, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Darrall Imhoff, Bob Lanier...

This
The none luxuries included; Not having beds for 7 footers. Frequently taking, at least, 15 hours to get across country. Stretching not part of the pregame activities, No masseuses or nutritionist. When Marv Albert was a ball boy he would go out and get Wilt a frank just before the game. You not supposed to have franks during the season now! They also played four games back to back.

To add to his incredible conditioning: random recollections of having 10 blocks in a couple of games as well. It was next to the last week when he averaged 60ppg over 5 or 6 games. To me the most amazing thing was his activity level against the inconveniences coupled with his endurance that made that year amazing.

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah let's see Wilt average 50 PPG with the modern slower pace.










:yaohappy:

Sure. Reduce Wilt's FGAs and FTAs down to '15 levels, and then adjust his eFG% to '15 levels...and ...

42 ppg on a .589 FG%.

You could also do simple math...

Wilt's '62 NBA averaged 118.8 ppg. This year's NBA averaged an even 100.0 ppg. Divide 100.0 by 118.8, and you get .842. Multiply 50.4 ppg by .842, and you get... 42.4 ppg.

Thanks for playing...

[Jameerthefear]

Sure. Reduce Wilt's FGAs and FTAs down to '15 levels, and then adjust his eFG% to '15 levels...and ...

42 ppg on a .589 FG%.

You could also do simple math...

Wilt's '62 NBA averaged 118.8 ppg. This year's NBA averaged an even 100.0 ppg. Divide 100.0 by 118.8, and you get .842. Multiply 50.4 ppg by .842, and you get... 42.4 ppg.

Thanks for playing...
this is precisely why everyone thinks you're a ****ing idiot

[LAZERUSS]

this is precisely why everyone thinks you're a ****ing idiot

Go ahead and give us all here your research to the contrary of mine.

[Jameerthefear]

Go ahead and give us all here your research to the contrary of mine.
i don't have to research anything. i just look at wilt's awkward ass post moves and his shit tier competition and know damn well he isn't scoring 42ppg in this era.

[LAZERUSS]

i don't have to research anything. i just look at wilt's awkward ass post moves and his shit tier competition and know damn well he isn't scoring 42ppg in this era.

Interesting, isn't it...

A prime Wilt who was FAR more dominant against the same centers that a peak KAJ would face a few years later...

and then a 38-39 year old KAJ averaging 33 ppg on .630 FG% in his 10 H2Hs with a 23-24 year old Hakeem, including three games of 40+ (40, 43, and a 46 point game which came in 37 minutes, and on 21-30 shooting)...

and then this...

a PEAK Shaq's HIGH game against Hakeem... 37 points.

BTW, here is some footage of an "awkward" Wilt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

THAT Wilt would have routinely hung 50-60 point games on Hakeem my friend.

[Jameerthefear]

Interesting, isn't it...

A prime Wilt who was FAR more dominant against the same centers that a peak KAJ would face a few years later...

and then a 38-39 year old KAJ averaging 33 ppg on .630 FG% in his 10 H2Hs with a 23-24 year old Hakeem, including three games of 40+ (40, 43, and a 46 point game which came in 37 minutes, and on 21-30 shooting)...

and then this...

a PEAK Shaq's HIGH game against Hakeem... 37 points.

BTW, here is some footage of an "awkward" Wilt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

THAT Wilt would have routinely hung 50-60 point games on Hakeem my friend.
>short white guys
>no help in the paint
>weak defensive positioning
thanks for the vid. I'll be using to continue to discredit Wilt the CHOKER

[LAZERUSS]

>short white guys
>no help in the paint
>weak defensive positioning
thanks for the vid. I'll be using to continue to discredit Wilt the CHOKER

Kareem's high game against the 6-11 Thurmond, in 35 fulltime H2H's... 34 points, (and five 30+ overall.)

In a span of 13 H2H's, in Wilt's scoring prime against Nate... SIX of 30+, with highs of 38 and 45.

BTW, in Wilt's LAST season, and going up against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, in his peak season...


vs. Lanier in 6 H2H's:

Lanier: 21.2 ppg, 13.4 rpg (5 known games), .374 FG% (5 known games)

Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 16.3 rpg, .764 FG%

That from a way-past-his-prime 36 year old Wilt.

In fact, if you go back one season, to his 4 H2H's with Lanier in his '72 season...

a combined 23.9 ppg on a .750 FG% (which included a 31-31 game on 15-22 shooting.)

[Jameerthefear]

Kareem's high game against the 6-11 Thurmond, in 35 fulltime H2H's... 34 points, (and five 30+ overall.)

In a span of 13 H2H's, in Wilt's scoring prime against Nate... SIX of 30+, with highs of 38 and 45.

BTW, in Wilt's LAST season, and going up against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, in his peak season...



That from a way-past-his-prime 36 year old Wilt.

In fact, if you go back one season, to his 4 H2H's with Lanier in his '72 season...

a combined 23.9 ppg on a .750 FG% (which included a 31-31 game on 15-22 shooting.)
You're posting stats. I'm using the eyetest. Next.

[LAZERUSS]

You're posting stats. I'm using the eyetest. Next.

Probably the same eye-test that Stevie Wonder took.

BTW, how do you think a peak Kareem would fare in the current NBA. You know, the same KAJ who played four years IN the Wilt-era, and never approached a prime Wilt's domination.

[Jameerthefear]

Probably the same eye-test that Stevie Wonder took.

BTW, how do you think a peak Kareem would fare in the current NBA. You know, the same KAJ who played four years IN the Wilt-era, and never approached a prime Wilt's domination.
He wouldn't be as good as Lebron James.

[LAZERUSS]

He wouldn't be as good as Lebron James.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Thanks for the laugh though.

We are seeing a Lebron's efficiency in a Finals in which he is being asked to play 46 mpg...a .388 FG%. BTW, Chamberlain playd in 160 playoff games, and he AVERAGED 47.2 mpg in them.

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Thanks for the laugh though.
No problem. I know you don't have that many left.

[BlakFrankWhite]

@Lazeruss

All your Wilt stanning is based on assumptions...."Wilt would have schooled Hakeem"..."Wilt would have created a dynasty with the Celtics"...."Wilt would have schooled Duncan" etc

Well,the FACT is Wilt was choker beta,the FACT is Russell owned Wilt's soul numerous times,the FACT is Wilt's FT shooting is utter garbage

You need to deal with it bro,Wilt is nowhere near the all-time great winners

I could say that the Thunder would have the championship if Durant were healthy...but its ok...I've dealt with it...

[LAZERUSS]

@Lazeruss

All your Wilt stanning is based on assumptions...."Wilt would have schooled Hakeem"..."Wilt would have created a dynasty with the Celtics"...."Wilt would have schooled Duncan" etc

Well,the FACT is Wilt was choker beta,the FACT is Russell owned Wilt's soul numerous times,the FACT is Wilt's FT shooting is utter garbage

You need to deal with it bro,Wilt is nowhere near the all-time great winners

I could say that the Thunder would have the championship if Durant were healthy...but its ok...I've dealt with it...

You won't find ONE series in which Russell "owned Wilt's soul" and in fact, Wilt either outplayed him, or downright obliterated him, in EVERY one of their eight post-season H2H's (he slaughtered Russell in '60, '62, '64, '65, '66, and '67...easily outplayed in '68, and even with a horrible coach, outplayed him '69, and dominated him in game seven.)

The reality in the Wilt-Russell post-season H2H's...Chamberlain outscored, outrebounded, and outshot Russell by HUGE margins.

FT shooting. Shaq won four titles with horrific FT shooting in the Finals, including one in which he shot .387 from the line. Russell won numerous titles with below 60% playoff runs...and even with below .400 FG% runs.

Wooden said it best...swap Wilt and Russell's rosters...and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings./