it pains me more than anything knowing that kobe was 5 wins away from being GOAT

[kennethgriffin]

2004 - 3 wins
2008 - 2 wins


thats the difference between 7 modern day titles and 5

i can only imagine the pain that must flow in the bodies of bran stans

if letting 2 slip away out of 7 is the worst thing i can think of...

then DOUBLE the finals losses for a lebron fan must feel more than twice as bad.









lebrons gone to 6 nba finals.



-bring what you gave to detroit into the finals against sanantonio in 2007

-show up in 2011

-defend a rookie in 2014

-keep your d*ck in your pants and close the deal in 2015




it was so simple.


instead ... 4 rings are flushed down the toilet and youre outside the top 10

then imagine if ray allen missed that shot

1 for 6

:biggums:

what else could possibly go wrong for this guy

[Westbrook0]

This is a terrible post.

[SouBeachTalents]

2004 - 3 wins
2008 - 2 wins


thats the difference between 7 modern day titles and 5

i can only imagine the pain that must flow in the bodies of bran stans

if letting 2 slip away out of 7 is the worst thing i can think of...

then DOUBLE the finals losses for a lebron fan must feel more than twice as bad.









lebrons gone to 6 nba finals.



-bring what you gave to detroit into the finals against sanantonio in 2007

-show up in 2011

-defend a rookie in 2014

-keep your d*ck in your pants and close the deal in 2015




it was so simple.


instead ... 4 rings are flushed down the toilet and youre outside the top 10

then imagine if ray allen missed that shot

1 for 6

:biggums:

what else could possibly go wrong for this guy

'04 title wouldn't have been that essential for Kobe, it was gonna be just another Finals where Shaq won MVP. '08 was critical though, would have won MVP/Finals MVP in the same season and would have 3peated, this time as the teams best player.

[kennethgriffin]

This is a terrible post.


don't be so hard on yourself

[Springsteen]

imagine if he had prime shaq

just imagine

[navy]

Assuming you give Kobe the FMVP both years he would still only have 4 to Jordan's 6.

Especially since Kobe winning that 2000 ring isnt nearly enough to put him as the GOAt over Jordan just because he has 7.

[Westbrook0]

don't be so hard on yourself

:oldlol: :cheers:

[BlakFrankWhite]

Yup...but sadly he isn't even top 10

[keep-itreal]

he only has himself to blame

[kennethgriffin]

'04 title wouldn't have been that essential for Kobe, it was gonna be just another Finals where Shaq won MVP. '08 was critical though, would have won MVP/Finals MVP in the same season and would have 3peated, this time as the teams best player.


wrong. the lakers lost cause kobe played bad

if he makes his shots he gets finals mvp... which is the only way LA wins the series

kobe lead the lakers in scoring all year... 1st,2nd,3rd rounds


shaq lead the lakers in scoring during the finals cause kobe couldnt beat the double teams and collapsing defense


had the lakers won it would have meant kobe was beating the detroit defense and continued his dominance over the lakers scoring load

thats the only way they would have won.

so no ... shaq wouldnt have been finals mvp in victory. only in defeat could he claim that

[jstern]

Don't worry, at least he got to play with Shaq, and the Lakers were able to acquire Pau for Kwame Brown. Not to mentioned that Fisher was able to hit clutch shots against the 5th or 6th seeded Boston Celtics in game 7. So look at the bright side because it could have been worse.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Dat fat di.ck silverback gorilla is still top 5 goat, no need to feel pain about those L's

[LAZERUSS]

Not really...

'00 .25 ring
'01 .50 ring
'02 .50 ring

'09 1.00 ring
'10 1.00 ring


BUT, he clearly COST his team rings in '04 and '08, which would mean

'04 -1.00 ring
'08- 1.00 ring

Overall,

+1.25 rings.

[kennethgriffin]

Not really...

'00 .25 ring
'01 .50 ring
'02 .50 ring

'09 1.00 ring
'10 1.00 ring


BUT, he clearly COST his team rings in '04 and '08, which would mean

'04 -1.00 ring
'08- 1.00 ring

Overall,

+1.25 rings.


how is 29/7/6 half a ring

:lol

and if losing means -1.00 rings .. then lebrons in the negative for christ sake

:oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Even if he won those years, he'd still be far behind Jordan. Even Kobe's 3 rings with Shaq are giant asterisks with Shaq purposefully deflating balls. Shameful

[kennethgriffin]

i'd say its more like this


2000 - .65 + .20 ( bonus for saving the season in game 7 WCF )
2001 - .99 ( shaq was 0.1 better )
2002 - .99 ( ditto )
2009 - 1.00
2010 - 1.00



and you don't lose rings youve already won by losing in the finals lol... the ring they would have won THAT year is the ring thats deducted. the hypothetical one on the line

[kennethgriffin]

Even if he won those years, he'd still be far behind Jordan. Even Kobe's 3 rings with Shaq are giant asterisks with Shaq purposefully deflating balls. Shameful


na.. perfect 7 for 7 in the finals... and more rings overall


+ more points, more 1st team all nbas


thats a debate

[KembaWalker]

Not really...

'00 .25 ring
'01 .50 ring
'02 .50 ring

'09 1.00 ring
'10 1.00 ring


BUT, he clearly COST his team rings in '04 and '08, which would mean

'04 -1.00 ring
'08- 1.00 ring

Overall,

+1.25 rings.

Hit me with Wilt's ring count with that Lazeruss formula bruh

[kennethgriffin]

Hit me with Wilt's ring count with that Lazeruss formula bruh

lol under his formula wilt owes the nba rings through collections agencies

[oarabbus]

lol under his formula wilt owes the nba rings through collections agencies


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


kenneth you might be a crazed Kobestan but that was some gold right there

[J Shuttlesworth]

na.. perfect 7 for 7 in the finals... and more rings overall


+ more points, more 1st team all nbas


thats a debate
7*

-1: 2000 deflategate
-1: 2001 deflategate
-1: 2002 deflategate

I think it's safe to subtract half of a ring for the 2002 rig job too

-.5: 2002 WCF rigjob

So 3.5 rings is a pretty solid career, but not close to MJ

[Rocketswin2013]

Kobe is the worst player in NBA history.

[Smoke117]

Koooooooooooooobrick LOLOZLOZL <<<<<<<<< MJ<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< QUEEN JAMES LOZLZOLZOZLZLZL

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif

[Prime_Shaq]

2004 was all on Kobe. Lakers had no business losing to Detroit.

[oarabbus]

Koooooooooooooobrick LOLOZLOZL <<<<<<<<< MJ<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< QUEEN JAMES LOZLZOLZOZLZLZL

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif


how many shots you take tonight?

[francesco totti]

Winning matters, but the way you won matters too.
Even if Kobe won two more, Jordan remains the best ever.
Jordan won 6 as the player, Kobe won 2.

[TheBigVeto]

Niggapleaze, Kobe is never anywhere close to being GOAT basketball player. He is GOAT in eluding prison cell, I'll give you that.

[warriorfan]

Koooooooooooooobrick LOLOZLOZL <<<<<<<<< MJ<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< QUEEN JAMES LOZLZOLZOZLZLZL

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif

your sponsor called, he is concerned

[NZStreetBaller]

Man 7/7 he'd blow lebron out of the water. Playing alongsode shaq would hinder his goatness against jordan. But no one would win fmvp over shaq in his prime.

[aj1987]

Yeah, Kobe would've won a ring in '04 and '08, but he still wouldn't be close to MJ.

5 MVP's
6 Rings
6 FMVP's
1 DPOY

vs

1 MVP
7 Rings
3 FMVP's
0 DPOY's

Not even close. Kobe would need 4 MVP's, 8 rings, 4 FMVP's, and 1 DPOY to even be in the conversation.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe can't pass MJ, unless he did 4 straight chips with 4 straight FMVPs. Let's say Kobe won 08 with FMVP and then 2011 with FMVP. Then he's GOAT.

[aj1987]

Kobe can't pass MJ, unless he did 4 straight chips with 4 straight FMVPs. Let's say Kobe won 08 with FMVP and then 2011 with FMVP. Then he's GOAT.
:roll:

He'd be in the conversation. He probably wouldn't have an argument over KAJ, let alone MJ.

[Cleverness]

then imagine if ray allen missed that shot



then imagine if Kobe never had Shaq.

Kobe's trade demand would have gone through, traded to Knicks, and he would have zero titles.:eek:

[ChrisKreager]

Not so much 5 wins away, but I look at those as 'If the Lakers got a different Finals opponent.

If Detroit hadn't gagged away games 3/6 at home vs. Boston or Cleveland finishes off the Celtics in 2008.

If the Nets/Pacers don't let Detroit off the hook in 2004.

[SwayDizzle]

:roll:

He'd be in the conversation. He probably wouldn't have an argument over KAJ, let alone MJ.
i'm fairly certain after the fourth straight he would be consensus GOAT. 3 with Shaq as one-two punch and 4 straight with 4 FMVP would be pure domination, MJ-like yet one step further.

[aj1987]

i'm fairly certain after the fourth straight he would be consensus GOAT. 3 with Shaq as one-two punch and 4 straight with 4 FMVP would be pure domination, MJ-like yet one step further.
1 MVP, 7 rings, and 4 FMVP's vs 5 MVP's, 6 rings, 6 FMVP's, and 1 DPOY. Sure, Kobe will have 1 ring more than MJ, but he'll also have 4 fewer MVP's, 2 fewer FMVP's, and 0 DPOY. He'd be in the top 3 though.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt was also five wins away from being the GOAT as well. In fact, in those five game seven losses, his team lost four of them by 2, 1, 4, and 2 points. And in those five series, Wilt was the best player on the floor in four of them, and in the other, he outplayed an 11 time winner (as he would in their other three H2H's that went seven games.)

In those five series...

34 ppg 27 rpg .468 FG% (post-season NBA shot a FG% of .411)
30 ppg 32 rpg .555 FG% (post-season NBA shot a FG% of .429)
22 ppg 25 rpg .480 FG% (post-season NBA shot a FG% of .446)
12 ppg 25 rpg .500 FG% (post-season NBA shot a FG% of .431)
23 ppg 24 rpg .625 FG% (post-season NBA shot a FG% of .455)

[triangleoffense]

Not really...

'00 .25 ring
'01 .50 ring
'02 .50 ring

'09 1.00 ring
'10 1.00 ring


BUT, he clearly COST his team rings in '04 and '08, which would mean

'04 -1.00 ring
'08- 1.00 ring

Overall,

+1.25 rings.
clearly butthurt about something

[LAZERUSS]

clearly butthurt about something

Not really...

I was using a similar formula as to Kenneth's famous formula of .5 rings for certain players in the Kobe context.

[LAZERUSS]

Hit me with Wilt's ring count with that Lazeruss formula bruh

Swap rosters with Russell in their ten years in the league..

and likely those 10, plus the one he won in '72...for a total of 11.