35.8ppg on .388

[Blue&Orange]

So where are the inefficient, hurting his team comments? Where art thou Lebrotards?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Greatest finals ever.

[Mr. Jabbar]

38%.

with single coverage.

:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

small dicc

flopping

low fg percentage

not feeding team mates

GOAT CHOKE

[sportjames23]

Gud, dis gon be.

/Yoda

[DMAVS41]

So where are the inefficient, hurting his team comments? Where art thou Lebrotards?

They've been there by people calling it as it is...that Lebron has still played great overall, but his offense is not anything special.

It's been a combination of the Cavs defense/rebounding (which Lebron is a big part of) and the Warriors just missing a ton of great shots in games 2 and 3.

Also, the Warriors changed up their defense quite a bit last night by not only going small, but throwing more hard doubles at Lebron. They didn't let him get in his comfort zone as much...and they played Iggy more as well.

It's no coincidence that in Lebron's best game of the series...Iggy only played 31 minutes. He played 39 minutes and started last night...and would have played more if it was closer.

It's no knock on Lebron....you can't expect a human to do this much with almost no help and beat a Warriors team this good.

That doesn't mean the Warriors will win...as we've seen that they are capable of just blowing easy shots in this series...but we do know that if the Warriors play close to their level....the Cavs have virtually no chance.

[warriorfan]

FMVPAMC30

No excuses

just deal with it

[sd3035]

His teammates and the refs didn't completely carry him for one game and they get blown out :roll:

[ScarSymmetry]

If Westbrook had these stats, he would be getting crucified.

[SwayDizzle]

how quickly things change on ISH

[andgar923]

The chickens have come home to roost.

Remember when Bron stans used to clobber Kobe stans for his low fg%?

At least Bean used to face traps and had more defensive attention, Bron is literally playing one on one street ball style in which everyone clears out.

Also remember all this talk from Bron stans on how he'd dominate past eras due to his size? how he'd bulldoze and use everyone? Iggy is a good defender, would say great but he's past his prime, and he's not getting any help 90% of the time it's just he and Bron one on one street ball style, wide open lanes and all.

I have NEVER seen Kobe get the same defensive attention for that long. Kobe would be averaging 50 points with that kind of defensive attention, and that aint no exaggeration.

[DMAVS41]

The chickens have come home to roost.

Remember when Bron stans used to clobber Kobe stans for his low fg%?

At least Bean used to face traps and had more defensive attention, Bron is literally playing one on one street ball style in which everyone clears out.

Also remember all this talk from Bron stans on how he'd dominate past eras due to his size? how he'd bulldoze and use everyone? Iggy is a good defender, would say great but he's past his prime, and he's not getting any help 90% of the time it's just he and Bron one on one street ball style, wide open lanes and all.

I have NEVER seen Kobe get the same defensive attention for that long. Kobe would be averaging 50 points with that kind of defensive attention, and that aint no exaggeration.

The Warriors didn't give him the 1 on 1 comfort clear outs last night that they did in the first 3 games. They played a much more traditional style of defense on a superstar last night.

But yea...his scoring has been dreadful in this series and has been all playoffs. But a big part of what makes him all time great...is that he can still control and dominate games shooting poorly. Hell, everyone on the Warriors is afraid to even shoot at the rim when he's near...they either miss, he blocks it, or they fumble the ball. He's still playing great given the circumstances, but when you can't shoot the ball...scoring against teams in the playoffs is really hard when you aren't being fed dunks. And Lebron can't shoot right now and it's killing his scoring efficiency.

[sbw19]

Didn't hurt them as much as losing their closer for good. Kyrie's presence would've made things interesting in the 4th.

[Asukal]

Where's dat extra complicated zone defense this era homos love to throw around. Why aren't they using it in da finals? :rolleyes:

[3ball]

indeed.

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif


The chickens have come home to roost.

At least Bean used to face traps and had more defensive attention, Bron is literally playing one on one street ball style in which everyone clears out.

Iggy's not getting any help 90% of the time it's just he and Bron one on one street ball style, wide open lanes and all.

I have NEVER seen Kobe get the same defensive attention for that long. Kobe would be averaging 50 points with that kind of defensive attention, and that aint no exaggeration.


Indeed.. Of course, today's weakside spacing reduces the number of strongside defenders and often lets players face only 1 defender on the strongside.. Furthermore, coaches in today's game can use the threat of weakside 3-pointers to keep all 4 help defenders behind the far side of the paint on the weakside - this means the paint and strongside are left wide open with zero help defenders, and help defenders are coming from the furthest possible distance (the other side of the paint, as seen in GIF above).

By making defenders help from the furthest distance, weakside spacing maximizes overall spacing, which is why all teams use it to reduce the number of strongside defenders, including isolation plays.. Unfortunately for the Cavs, Lebron ranked only 78th out of 350 in isolation PPP in the regular season, while his FG% ranked 117th out of 350.. In the playoffs, Lebron is 35th out of 40 in isolation PPP, and 30th out of 40 in FG%:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1

Of course, someone capable of maintaining better efficiency at high shooting volumes, like MJ or Bird, would have a far better impact than Lebron is having against the aforementioned porous, 1-defender strongsides.. After all, previous eras didn't have weakside spacing to draw defenders away from the strongside, so 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) were common, meaning all 4 help defenders were on the strongside, in closest proximity to help.. People like to say that these help defenders were actively guarding guys - of course they are, but today's weakside help defenders are actively guarding their man too, but they are doing so on the weakside and furthest away to help (not the strongside, and closest to help).

Of course, the 5-defender strongsides FORCED great players like Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366456), MJ (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37), Kobe, Dantley, etc. to have great mid-range games and be great mid-range shooters - 5-defender strongsides simply don't allow players in the paint anytime they want like today's 1-defender strongsides and wide open paints - in previous eras, the lack of weakside spacing and resulting 5-defender strongsides meant the paint was often sealed and simply too congested for players to get in there - in the GIF below, there are too many people in the paint for MJ to get in there, so he is FORCED to settle for a mid-range jumper instead:

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e026bdb37635f1d39f79bf0ad068f961.gif


Also, ball movement wasn't as good an option on 5-defender strongsides as it is on today's more spaced out and porous strongsides - so with lane penetration and ball movement often ruled out, players were forced to engage in 1-on-1 and SETTLE a ton of mid-range (as seen in previous GIF).
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[Magic 32]

We are nearing a sub 40% playoff run against +.500 teams.

http://s11.postimg.org/u85wig3oj/45766.png

[3ball]

We are nearing a sub 40% playoff run against +.500 teams.


40.6% FG.. yikes

Lebron's total averages for these playoffs are 29.9/10.7/8.3 on 42.2% FG and 49.3% TS..

and bad 4th quarter performance (30% FG in 4th for these playoffs).

[Blue&Orange]

The Warriors didn't give him the 1 on 1 comfort clear outs last night that they did in the first 3 games. They played a much more traditional style of defense on a superstar last night.

So you first let Lebron have his and shutdown everybody else, and then thrown a curve ball and start double team Lebron and let his teammates that are completely out of rhythm open? That's not even good coaching, it's basic stuff, but sometimes some coaches get to smart for their good and do amazing stuff like take your best player out and give Lebron an easy layup, because Bosh the guy that never made a game winer in the playoffs is just too scary in the corner 3.

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/d0cee9725bfc493b8b23151879aa2838.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/21ac71d4a439e502ad6866bec0b558c4.gif


So you first let Lebron have his and shutdown everybody else, and then thrown a curve ball and start double team Lebron and let his teammates that are completely out of rhythm open? That's not even good coaching, it's basic stuff



True... And Lebron isn't as good at mitigating double teams and multiple defenders like MJ.. MJ was a slimmer guard with a more optimal physique for sliding between defenders, as the GIF's above show, and as many other do:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10


MJ was also a much better ballhandler, who used superior moves to mitigate the 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) and paint-camping.. Surely he would murder today's 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398) and wide open paints.. :D

[andgar923]

True... And Lebron isn't as good at mitigating double teams and multiple defenders like MJ.. MJ was a slimmer guard with a more optimal physique for sliding between defenders, as the GIF's above show, and as many other do:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10


MJ was also a much better ballhandler, who used superior moves to mitigate the 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) and paint-camping.. Surely he would murder today's 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398) and wide open paints.. :D

By far

[HOoopCityJones]

1-9

This @$$hole has been retired for almost 13 years. The guy never won a playoffs series without Pippen. That's Pathetic.

Lebron's never even won a Finals game without DWade in the building. :roll:

[edrick]

small dicc

flopping

low fg percentage

not feeding team mates

GOAT CHOKE

Only a moron would think this is a choke. The Warriors have no injuries. The Cavs have 3 starters injured. STFU

[3ball]

1-9


1-9 with no all-stars.

Otoh, Zydrunas Illgauskas was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team.. And when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star, or anything NEAR that during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.

[Lebron23]

1-9 with no all-stars.

Otoh, Zydrunas Illgauskas was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team.. And when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star, or anything NEAR that during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.


Is the NBA Finals over?? You are 37 yrs.old lunatic. I really feel bad for you Bruce Blitz cause you are crazy, and I hope John Cena finds your house. And FU (Attitude Adjustment) you on top of your Car.

[Derka]

Lebron has had very, very few easy looks at the bucket in this series. Call it a choke if you want, but I credit GS's defense. You could never have told me GS would single-cover him with Iguodala and Lebron would have to work this hard to get Lebron-like point totals as a result. Iggy knows Lebron will get his but he's not making it easy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Is the NBA Finals over?? You are 37 yrs.old lunatic. I really feel bad for you Bruce Blitz cause you are crazy, and I hope John Cena finds your house. And FU (Attitude Adjustment) you on top of your Car.

:oldlol:

[scm5]

35.8ppg on 32.3 FGA/gm and 12.5 FTA/gm

That is...... pretty horrible.

[diamenz]

interdasting. silkk, what do you think about this?

[Blue&Orange]

1-9 with no all-stars.

Otoh, Zydrunas Illgauskas was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team.. And when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star, or anything NEAR that during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.
i wonder why lebrontards don't like u. :rockon:

[MEB2kDeez]

If Westbrook had these stats, he would be getting crucified.
It's hilarious but so true.

[GOBB]

The obsession with FG% continues :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

The obsession with FG% continues :facepalm

Scoring efficiency is such a huge part of the game...denying that is a joke.

Nobody thinks it's the only factor...but it's a ****ing huge one.

Good luck winning a lot of games if your team doesn't make any shots.

[warriorfan]

The obsession with FG% continues :facepalm

:biggums:

[GOBB]

Scoring efficiency is such a huge part of the game...denying that is a joke.

Nobody thinks it's the only factor...but it's a ****ing huge one.

Good luck winning a lot of games if your team doesn't make any shots.

Cavs are tied with GSW. They didn't lose two games because of his FG%. Bron has to keep shooting for the Cavs to even have a chance. You guys keep getting caught up in the % I'll focus on the fact he doesn't keep shooting his team is getting swept. Do yourself a favor and look at his supporting cast one last time and get back to me.

Being an efficient volume scorer isn't easy. Everyone can't be MJ. Geeze

[Da_Realist]

Didn't hurt them as much as losing their closer for good. Kyrie's presence would've made things interesting in the 4th.


If Kyrie was playing Golden State would have no shot. They have half a shot now only because Cleveland is missing a few key players. If GS wins, Steve Kerr should bring in a guy or two that could bang with Tristan Thompson. Cleveland would win a rematch next year as-is in 5.

[Cone]

kobe stans are so pathetic. just deal with it, LeBron > Kobe and it isnt even close.

Put prime Kobe in place of LeBron adn Warriors would have celebrated a championship yesterday

[warriorfan]

kobe stans are so pathetic. just deal with it, LeBron > Kobe and it isnt even close.

Put prime Kobe in place of LeBron adn Warriors would have celebrated a championship yesterday

If you want a player to drag a team into the finals and lose, LeBron

If you want a player to drag a team into the finals and win, Kobe

[sd3035]

kobe stans are so pathetic. just deal with it, LeBron > Kobe and it isnt even close.

Put prime Kobe in place of LeBron adn Warriors would have celebrated a championship yesterday


Kobe won 2 titles with a worse team