Should the Warriors stand pat if they win the title

[Ca$H]

Or should they make changes? The Cavs will be the favorites to win it all with Kyrie, Love, and Varejo back next year. Also OKC might be the favorites to win the West. Would something like Bogut and Barnes to the Kings for the 6th pick(WCS) make sense? Then sign Durant in 2016.

[Young X]

Look what happened to the '12 Mavs.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[T_L_P]

Cavs will be favourites, even though they would have been swept had Love, Andy and Kyrie played this series?

[Ca$H]

Look what happened to the '12 Mavs.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

The Mavs won without a ton of key injuries to other teams though.

[Doranku]

What would they need to change? They're deep at every position and having another year under their belt along with playoff and finals experience is gonna be huge.

No need to make any changes.

[Ca$H]

Cavs will be favourites, even though they would have been swept had Love, Andy and Kyrie played this series?

:biggums:

[imdaman99]

Things will be different out West next year anyway. Durant will be back, order will be restored.

[oarabbus]

Things will be different out West next year anyway. Durant will be back, order will be restored.

:oldlol: yeah ok

[T_L_P]

:biggums:

The ONLY reason they won those two games was because of their insane defense and offensive rebounding.

Kyrie is pretty good (little boy Curry would have still lit him up, which he couldn't do to Delly in those games), Love is mediocre and Andy at this point in his career isn't anything special.

Mozgov and TT are two awesome defensive players and they were getting more Kobe Assists than anyone in years. The entire dynamic would have changed; the Cavs would need to win with offense (like last night), and theirs doesn't hold a candle to Golden State's.

A Cavs team with Kyrie, Iman/JR, LeBron, Love and Andy (he's the main weak point, Mozgov is elite and he's not) would have gotten swept, maybe five games.

[TheMarkMadsen]

They need to figure out the David Lee situation

[Young X]

The Mavs won without a ton of key injuries to other teams though.So what's the alternative?

Being risky and tampering with a 67 win championship team just because they didn't face the best competition?

or...

Keeping it together and going for another one? Especially since they will probably be better and more experienced next year?

What's smarter here?

There are key injuries every postseason, who's to say they don't get the same kind of injured teams next season?

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[MP.Trey]

They need to get rid of David Lee or play him more than once every three games.

[RedBlackAttack]

The ONLY reason they won those two games was because of their insane defense and offensive rebounding.

Kyrie is pretty good (little boy Curry would have still lit him up, which he couldn't do to Delly in those games), Love is mediocre and Andy at this point in his career isn't anything special.

Mozgov and TT are two awesome defensive players and they were getting more Kobe Assists than anyone in years. The entire dynamic would have changed; the Cavs would need to win with offense (like last night), and theirs doesn't hold a candle to Golden State's.

A Cavs team with Kyrie, Iman/JR, LeBron, Love and Andy (he's the main weak point, Mozgov is elite and he's not) would have gotten swept, maybe five games.
lol

[Ca$H]

So what's the alternative?

Being risky and tampering with a 67 win championship team just because they didn't face the best competition?

or...

Keeping it together and going for another one? Especially since they will probably be better and more experienced next year?

What's smarter here?

There are key injuries every postseason, who's to say they don't get the same kind of injured teams next season?

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

What if Durant tells Curry or another Warriors player that he will sign in 2016? I would do everything possible to make sure that happens.

[kshutts1]

They need to get rid of David Lee or play him more than once every three games.
Pretty much this. Lee has too much value to not play for the Warriors. They should look to trade him for something like a legit backup big that is content playing 5-10 mins a night, plus two seconds OR a project.

No team other than a borderline contender is likely to consider such a trade, so I'd target teams like...
Miami -- Haslem?
Indiana -- Mahinmi
Pelicans -- Asik? Would have to be sign and trade

Anyway, that's the sort of thing they should look in to. But otherwise, don't tinker too much with a title winner.

[Levity]

haha we should have all known that this thread was a veiled attempt to bring up another one of your trade scenarios trying to get WCS to the dubs.

[DMAVS41]

Look what happened to the '12 Mavs.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Not relevant comparison.

One team was old...the other is just getting started.

They should probably move Lee if possible to open up enough room for Green and to add another player.

[ImKobe]

Warriors are perfect as they are. Curry, Klay, Barnes and Green are all young and most likely will continue to develop their games, their bench is perfect as it is.

If I'm the Warriors, I'm looking to move Lee's expiring for a bench piece or two to Philly or Boston.

[Ca$H]

haha we should have all known that this thread was a veiled attempt to bring up another one of your trade scenarios trying to get WCS to the dubs.

:oldlol: Yeah. I want my pipe dream to become a reality:

Curry
Klay
Durant
Green
WCS

I am obsessed with this pipe dream. Would the Kings even entertain a Bogut and Barnes for the 6th pick trade or is that crazy?

[scm5]

I think so. They keep everyone, try and repeat. Whether they do or not, Lee is off the books for the 2016-17' season and they can go hard after Durant.

[Young X]

Not relevant comparison.

One team was old...the other is just getting started.

They should probably move Lee if possible to open up enough room for Green and to add another player.It was stupid regardless. You don't tamper with championship teams. IDGAF how old they were.

The Warriors have been a historically dominant team for most of the season in the toughest conference in league history.

I'm not changing shit.

[Levity]

:oldlol: Yeah. I want my pipe dream to become a reality:

Curry
Klay
Durant
Green
WCS

I am obsessed with this pipe dream. Would the Kings even entertain a Bogut and Barnes for the 6th pick trade or is that crazy?

it's pretty crazy. i mean, you can go after ryan hollins from them, a very poor mans WCS, but thats about it.

[DMAVS41]

It was stupid regardless. You don't break up championship teams idgaf how old they were.

The Warriors have been a historically dominant team for most of the season in the toughest conference in league history.

I'm not changing shit.

What?

Who is saying the Warriors should break up?

I said they should probably move Lee...that isn't breaking them up.


I don't care to debate the Mavs situation...it was obvious what the right thing to do was. It was one of the worst supporting casts to ever make the finals and doing it again the next a year older with a lockout looming wouldn't even have had real odds.

[Ca$H]

I think so. They keep everyone, try and repeat. Whether they do or not, Lee is off the books for the 2016-17' season and they can go hard after Durant.

What if Draymond gets a big contract? Can they give Durant the max still?

[Rocketswin2013]

They probably get trashed by a healthy OKC next year. Maybe even SA with Gasol. Eh, variables.

[oarabbus]

:oldlol: Yeah. I want my pipe dream to become a reality:

Curry
Klay
Durant
Green
WCS

I am obsessed with this pipe dream. Would the Kings even entertain a Bogut and Barnes for the 6th pick trade or is that crazy?

As a warriors fan, f*ck that shitty trade

[Young X]

What?

Who is saying the Warriors should break up?

I said they should probably move Lee...that isn't breaking them up.


I don't care to debate the Mavs situation...it was obvious what the right thing to do was. It was one of the worst supporting casts to ever make the finals and doing it again the next a year older with a lockout looming wouldn't even have had real odds.I meant tampering with them not breaking them up.

You will forever defend the '12 Mavs and the Harden trade smh. You can't tell me that you wouldn't have wanted to see that team as they were properly defend their title.

[DMAVS41]

I meant tampering with them not breaking them up.

You will forever defend the '12 Mavs and the Harden trade smh. You can't tell me that you wouldn't have wanted to see that team as they were properly defend their title.

Getting rid of Lee really isn't tampering...probably needs to happen.

Of course I wanted us to contend again in 12...I just knew you aren't doing that with aging players. We couldn't have brought back Barea and Butler even if we wanted to.

What sunk that team was Odom. If you are going to go hard on the Mavs...go after them for the Odom signing. They sign a good player instead of him with that space and we would have had a legit chance in the playoffs to make a run. We were just missing that one other reliable player.

People forget, but Carter, West, Mahinmi, and Haywood actually were nice...they would have been even nicer in proper roles. We needed another guy...Odom just killed us.

[Ca$H]

As a warriors fan, f*ck that shitty trade

It depends how high you are on WCS. I think WCS can become as good as peak KG on defense.

Curry
Klay
Durant
Green
WCS

Would become one of the greatest dynasties of all time.

[scm5]

What if Draymond gets a big contract? Can they give Durant the max still?


The salary cap goes up to about $90m and they currently only have $50m in contracts for that season.

If Draymond gets around $15m/yr that leaves around $25m for Durant. If that's not enough, they can probably move Iggy who would be 33 by then and an expiring.

[Ca$H]

The salary cap goes up to about $90m and they currently only have $50m in contracts for that season.

If Draymond gets around $15m/yr that leaves around $25m for Durant. If that's not enough, they can probably move Iggy who would be 33 by then and an expiring.

Sweet!

[Bobcats2013]

Get rid of Bogut and Lee, sign Marc Gasol.

:rockon:

Don't get me wrong I love Lee and gonna be happy he gets his 1st ring, but the warriors are a dynasty baby.

[bdreason]

Always need to be improving. The Thunder are going to be STACKED on paper next season. The Cavs, when all their pieces are healthy, will be STACKED as well.

Warriors won't even be the Vegas favorites to start next season.

[Ca$H]

Get rid of Bogut and Lee, sign Marc Gasol.

:rockon:

Don't get me wrong I love Lee and gonna be happy he gets his 1st ring, but the warriors are a dynasty baby.

Even if they got rid of both. They could only offer him 15-16 million. Don't know if it will be enough.

[dick tracy]

delladova
irving
james
love
moscow

69 13

best record in the nba:coleman:

[Ca$H]

Always need to be improving. The Thunder are going to be STACKED on paper next season. The Cavs, when all their pieces are healthy, will be STACKED as well.

Warriors won't even be the Vegas favorites to start next season.

Do you like my pipe dream line up:

Curry
Klay
Durant
Green
WCS

[dick tracy]

if warriors won the title

green and andre are gone to free agent:coleman:

[dick tracy]

Do you like my pipe dream line up:

Curry
Klay
Durant
Green
WCS


Durant said he is staying:durantunimpressed:

[SwishSquared]

Move Lee if they don't want to pay so much in luxury tax (attach a pick to him in all likelihood) and see if anybody bites. I wouldn't package him with Barnes either- I'd rather keep the team together, but it's not my $ to spend.

I would try to get a guy like Dunleavy Jr. to sign for the mini-MLE as a ring-chasing vet to backup Barnes and go for a ridiculously deep bench. Doubt they get him specifically, but they should target a shooter to help space the floor. Ideally Curry and/or Klay are always on the court, but wouldn't hurt to get another capable guy.

[Droid101]

lol
Meltdown.

cavs suck. Sorry breh

[dick tracy]

Meltdown.

cavs suck. Sorry breh

what except
they got no love irving and no vagrioe:coleman:

[Droid101]

dmavs racking up losses.

LOL

Mavs should have kept the roster together period. Anyone who says otherwise is a dumbass dipshit.

[Droid101]

what except
they got no love irving and no vagrioe:coleman:
Yep. Suck it up.

[DMAVS41]

dmavs racking up losses.

LOL

Mavs should have kept the roster together period. Anyone who says otherwise is a dumbass dipshit.

What are you talking about?

Kept what together? Barea and Butler couldn't even have been afforded. Peja and Stevenson were gone. Brewer was gone too. The team was going to look different regardless.

The only player you could potentially be talking about was Tyson. And jesus...how much more evidence do we need that he's not worth his contract. The Knicks were a joke with him and Melo and the Knicks basically gave him away for free.

If it's just winning the title and that is all you are after...then doing what Cuban did was the best chance to win.

It didn't work obviously, but it's better to swing and miss....then to not even swing at all.

[tpols]

The ONLY reason they won those two games was because of their insane defense and offensive rebounding.

Kyrie is pretty good (little boy Curry would have still lit him up, which he couldn't do to Delly in those games), Love is mediocre and Andy at this point in his career isn't anything special.

Mozgov and TT are two awesome defensive players and they were getting more Kobe Assists than anyone in years. The entire dynamic would have changed; the Cavs would need to win with offense (like last night), and theirs doesn't hold a candle to Golden State's.

A Cavs team with Kyrie, Iman/JR, LeBron, Love and Andy (he's the main weak point, Mozgov is elite and he's not) would have gotten swept, maybe five games.

Agreed, exactly what Ive been saying all along...

[Droid101]

What are you talking about?

Kept what together? Barea and Butler couldn't even have been afforded. Peja and Stevenson were gone. Brewer was gone too. The team was going to look different regardless.

The only player you could potentially be talking about was Tyson. And jesus...how much more evidence do we need that he's not worth his contract. The Knicks were a joke with him and Melo and the Knicks basically gave him away for free.

If it's just winning the title and that is all you are after...then doing what Cuban did was the best chance to win.

It didn't work obviously, but it's better to swing and miss....then to not even swing at all.
Stay losing.

[Ca$H]

what except
they got no love irving and no vagrioe:coleman:

:biggums:

[jzek]

No, they should break the team apart. That's what Dallas did and look how it turned out for them.

[RedBlackAttack]

The ONLY reason they won those two games was because of their insane defense and offensive rebounding.

Kyrie is pretty good (little boy Curry would have still lit him up, which he couldn't do to Delly in those games), Love is mediocre and Andy at this point in his career isn't anything special.

Mozgov and TT are two awesome defensive players and they were getting more Kobe Assists than anyone in years. The entire dynamic would have changed; the Cavs would need to win with offense (like last night), and theirs doesn't hold a candle to Golden State's.

A Cavs team with Kyrie, Iman/JR, LeBron, Love and Andy (he's the main weak point, Mozgov is elite and he's not) would have gotten swept, maybe five games.
Listen man...

I have nothing against you personally. I haven't seen enough of your posts to say anything definitive about you one way or the other. What I can say, without reservation, is this the opinion you shared above is laughable and borderline insane, especially for someone who cares about basketball enough to spend time on a forum like this one.

The thing that makes these kinds of opinions so bizarre is that the Cavs wouldn't be losing anything by adding Kyrie, Love and Varejao. All they're doing is adding elite talent in two cases and very good talent with the third. They'd still have Tristan, Delly and whoever else is currently on the roster.

Right now, Tristan Thompson and Delly are being forced to play 40+ minutes a night, which is insane if we had any other option... Let alone Olympic level options.

If Kyrie, Love and Varejao were healthy, this team would be as versatile and deep as Golden State, if not moreso. They could work so many lineups into the game. Everyone would be nice and rested, even LeBron, because Irving is such a good offensive player, he would allow James to rest 5+ minutes a game at a time to re-gear for big runs.

Again, the Cavs lose nothing in this scenario. Believing that the Cavs' only chance in this series was to play LeBron, Tristan, Delly, Shumpert, etc. 40+ minutes a game is an opinion I can't even begin to fathom.

A completely hobbled Irving, at maybe 80% if we're being nice, had 4 steals and 2 blocks, including the game-saving play which gave the Cavs the chance to win in Oracle in Game 1. And, that was Kyrie barely able to run up and down the court. So, let's stop acting like he can't play with Steph Curry on that end of the floor. He had 23/7/6/4/2. And you think if he were healthy he'd be a downgrade from having to play Delly for 40+ minutes or the nightmare of running the offense through JR Smith/Shump when LBJ is too tired to lift his arms?

If Kyrie is healthy, it makes Steph have to work so much harder on the defensive end that it could seriously impact his offense. In fact, a hobbled Irving was beating Curry so often in Game 1 that they had to switch Thompson onto him in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. That takes a very good defender out of the mix for all the other guys, including LeBron.

With the way they're playing so small right now, Love would be killing it. He'd be by far the tallest player on the court if we played him at the 5 and LeBron at the 4 when the Warriors always go to that super small lineup at the end of games. They played Iggy at center for stretches last night. :oldlol:

And our answer was... to trot out the same lineups we've been playing all series, because we have no choice and no versatility due to a decimated roster.

I mean, I can't even ... I'm done.

[tpols]

What it comes down to is Love and Andy V are an atrocious defensive frontcourt.

The cavs just are not beating an offensive juggernaut with that type of anchor behind their defense. Its not possible.


Their best shot is right now.. basically to muck it up detroit style and just try to win by brute force and defense.

[Ca$H]

I mean, I can't even ... I'm done.

I'm a Warriors fan and I agree with you. The Cavs are very stacked if you add Kyrie, Love, and Varejo to the mix. They are easily the favorites for next season.

[Mrofir]

Mozgov is elite




:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


The rest of the post was borderline reasonable so when I got there twas a bit of a shock

[funnystuff]

T_L_P going full retard in the first page :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Must be hard being a fan of the most inconsistent champion ever. A first round exit for the reigning champs must make you quite upset.

[DMAVS41]

What it comes down to is Love and Andy V are an atrocious defensive frontcourt.

The cavs just are not beating an offensive juggernaut with that type of anchor behind their defense. Its not possible.


Their best shot is right now.. basically to muck it up detroit style and just try to win by brute force and defense.

Stop this. Where did this shit come from? All you you guys have lost your minds.

The Cavs with a healthy Kyrie, Love, and Andy are about twice as good as the current team is out there right now.

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever ****ing heard if you guys actually believe this.

Love alone would transform them in this series. You act like he's not also an elite rebounder. He'd be able to stretch out the defense so much and he'd be able to manufacture points in a big way. It'd be so much harder for the Warriors to go small with Love/Kyrie out there because you are adding 2 elite 3 point shooters.

LeBron could still go stretches of iso ball and it would just work so much better.

Kyrie, Shump, Lebron, Love, and Thompson would be a wrecking ball of a lineup against the Warriors.

Did you watch game 1 at all? Kyrie and Curry played to a draw....you think Curry is struggling a bit now? Imagine him having to guard Kyrie for stretches at a time...he's be gassed.

They'd still have all of their players....they'd still be smart enough to know they need to control pace and tempo...and if you think Love isn't rebounding very well in this series...you don't know much.

Do the Cavs win for sure? Of course not, I still think this Warriors team is better with home court.

But honestly this shit has to stop. This Cavs team is not good. Stop saying they are better without two all nba type players and another versatile big.

And stop saying they are better than the ****ing 08 Lakers. The only way that would be true would be because Lebron is a much better player overall than Kobe. Would have nothing to do with the supporting cast or coaching.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I'm not sure that a healthy Varejao even exists anymore, unfortunately.

[ArbitraryWater]

The ONLY reason they won those two games was because of their insane defense and offensive rebounding.

Kyrie is pretty good (little boy Curry would have still lit him up, which he couldn't do to Delly in those games), Love is mediocre and Andy at this point in his career isn't anything special.

Mozgov and TT are two awesome defensive players and they were getting more Kobe Assists than anyone in years. The entire dynamic would have changed; the Cavs would need to win with offense (like last night), and theirs doesn't hold a candle to Golden State's.

A Cavs team with Kyrie, Iman/JR, LeBron, Love and Andy (he's the main weak point, Mozgov is elite and he's not) would have gotten swept, maybe five games.

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:biggums: :biggums:


Agreed, exactly what Ive been saying all along...

big surprise :roll: :roll:

[NumberSix]

Is David Lee the highest payed warrior?

[Rose'sACL]

The ONLY reason they won those two games was because of their insane defense and offensive rebounding.

Kyrie is pretty good (little boy Curry would have still lit him up, which he couldn't do to Delly in those games), Love is mediocre and Andy at this point in his career isn't anything special.

Mozgov and TT are two awesome defensive players and they were getting more Kobe Assists than anyone in years. The entire dynamic would have changed; the Cavs would need to win with offense (like last night), and theirs doesn't hold a candle to Golden State's.

A Cavs team with Kyrie, Iman/JR, LeBron, Love and Andy (he's the main weak point, Mozgov is elite and he's not) would have gotten swept, maybe five games.
Cavs offense is really good when lebron , kyrie and love are healthy.
They would have probably won in 6 with kyrie and love healthy. Blatt has shown that he would let love sit if defense is not looking good.
Also, kyrie played great defense on curry in game 1. There is no doubt in my mind that cavs win in 6 if both kyrie and love were healthy.

[tpols]

Stop this. Where did this shit come from? All you you guys have lost your minds.

The Cavs with a healthy Kyrie, Love, and Andy are about twice as good as the current team is out there right now.

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever ****ing heard if you guys actually believe this.



Twice as good? Theyd be one of the worst defensive teams in the playoffs instead of the best.


Its funny as a Mavs fan after watching your team get bounced year after year after year with all star offensive support.. 25+ ppg Finley, early prime Steve Nash, 20+ ppg jamison, blah blah blah.. insane offensive talent. Bounced every year.

Then, a bit later on, your organization/coach decides to bring on board relative "scrub role players" like old J-Kidd, shawn Marion, and tyson chandler, etc. and now all of a sudden you guys win.. because you got stops. Marion locking KD up to the point he couldnt even dribble in crunchtime, Kobe getting locked up, Bran so afraid of Tyson and intimidated by Marions trash talk that he shells up. :lol


Defense and Physicality are KING in the playoffs.

[DMAVS41]

Twice as good? Theyd be one of the worst defensive teams in the playoffs instead of the best.


Its funny as a Mavs fan after watching your team get bounced year after year after year with all star offensive support.. 25+ ppg Finley, early prime Steve Nash, 20+ ppg jamison, blah blah blah.. insane offensive talent. Bounced every year.

Then, a bit later on, your organization/coach decides to bring on board relative "scrub role players" like old J-Kidd, shawn Marion, and tyson chandler, etc. and now all of a sudden you guys win.. because you got stops. Marion locking KD up to the point he couldnt even dribble in crunchtime, Kobe getting locked up, Bran so afraid of Tyson and intimidated by Marions trash talk that he shells up. :lol


Defense and Physicality are KING in the playoffs.

Hey moron. You don't even know what you are talking about with the Mavs.

But they'd still have Mozgov and Thompson. There is no rule on who to play. They can still play quality defensive lineups with those 3 guys healthy. It just adds to their versatility.

Also, Delly is not even a great defender. He works hard, but Kyrie on the ball is actually a better defender...it's Delly's physicality off the ball that is good, but hardly great.

Irving is so much better than Delly...and again, you can still play Delly in spots. You'd still have him on the team.

This is just beyond dumb.


As for the Mavs. They didn't have a Mozgov or Thompson. So the comparison is shit. We had guys like Lafrentz and Najera and Shawn Bradley. The year we had Jamison we didn't even really play a center.

Also, you clearly just don't know anything about basketball prior to like 09. You just got done listing Tony Allen as equaling out Iguodala in the 08 finals. That proves you just didn't watch the games back then...like at all.

If you knew those early Mavs teams...you'd know their history. They were young guns in 01 that upset the Jazz in round 1. In 02 they destroyed a KG led Wolves team and then lost to, imo, the best team in the league...the Kings. In 03 they made the WCF and stole game 1 on the road...then Dirk got hurt. In 04...Nash was injured throughout the playoffs and Finley declined.

That is literally it. A year they had no business doing anything in 01. Losing to the 02 Kings with a much worse team. Dirk getting hurt in the conference finals. Nash/Finley injured and old in 04.

That's it. All those loaded teams you speak of and not one of them had any business doing anything in the playoffs other than the 03...which by the way...that 03 team was easily as good as many teams that have made the finals and won titles. Just bad luck.

But again, it's a shit comparison because those Mavs teams never had the likes of a Mozgov or Thompson to go along with loaded offensive talent like this Cavs team.

Just come back to reality....the Cavs with a healthy Love and Kyrie and Andy are so much better it's just absurd.

I'm not sure what is worse...saying that Tony Allen was as good as Iggy or that the Cavs are better without 2 all nba players and a 3rd versatile big added.

Ether.

[Joyner82reload]

Assuming Durant is healthy, and they better make sure he is this time after last years disaster of brining him back too early, OKC is easily the title favorite.

Westbrook/Augustin
Morrow/Waiters/Lamb
Durant/Singler/PJIII
Ibaka/McGary/Collison
Kanter/Adams/Collison

That's EASILY the best starting lineup in the league and probably the best bench as well. Also OKC's biggest weakness(Brooks) is now a thing of the past.

[tpols]

It doesnt matter if they would still have Mozgov and Thompson because they would be relegated to bench players 20 something minutes a game maybe.. majority coming against the other teams second unit.

While Love and Andy V would be responsible for setting the tone early and playing 30-40 a game majority coming against starters.



Mozgov and Thompson have been given an opportunity to be relied on... to be starters and important pieces on a team with championship aspirations and they have taken that opportunity full force.. it has brought their confidence, energy everything, just completely sky high. Would they be dominating frontcourts to this extent if they were just bench players?? Most likely not.. and they wouldnt be on the court for even half as long anyways.


The most interesting thing to speculate on for me is Draygod vs K-Love matchup. We've all seen how badly Draymond has been locked up by the Cavs current frontcourt... Does anyone want to imagine how much of a 180 it would be with Draygod seeing Love in front of him instead of some of the best defenders in the league. Hed be licking his chops and when he goes, the warriors GO.

I see it as a bloodbath.. the warriors offense allowed to get on a roll like they havent been able to at all in the current series. You disagree but have no reasoning.


Just..

"OMG you add Love and Andy V and this and that to this team and holy shit theyre TWICE as good. Are you insane?!"

Thats pretty much your argument. Hyperbole and dumbed down 1+1+1+1...




And then you have the nerve to say delly isnt even a good defender when he locked Currys ass up worse than Kyrie was able to and the Cavs are 2-1 agaoinst GS with him starting and 0-1 with kyrie starting.

Just gold. :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

It doesnt matter if they would still have Mozgov and Thompson because they would be relegated to bench players 20 something minutes a game maybe.. majority coming against the other teams second unit.

While Love and Andy V would be responsible for setting the tone early and playing 30-40 a game majority coming against starters.



Mozgov and Thompson have been given an opportunity to be relied on... to be starters and important pieces on a team with championship aspirations and they have taken that opportunity full force.. it has brought their confidence, energy everything, just completely sky high. Would they be dominating frontcourts to this extent if they were just bench players?? Most likely not.. and they wouldnt be on the court for even half as long anyways.


The most interesting thing to speculate on for me is Draygod vs K-Love matchup. We've all seen how badly Draymond has been locked up by the Cavs current frontcourt... Does anyone want to imagine how much of a 180 it would be with Draygod seeing Love in front of him instead of some of the best defenders in the league. Hed be licking his chops and when he goes, the warriors GO.

I see it as a bloodbath.. the warriors offense allowed to get on a roll like they havent been able to at all in the current series. You disagree but have no reasoning.


Just..

"OMG you add Love and Andy V and this and that to this team and holy shit theyre TWICE as good. Are you insane?!"

Thats pretty much your argument. Hyperbole and dumbed down 1+1+1+1...




And then you have the nerve to say delly isnt even a good defender when he locked Currys ass up worse than Kyrie was able to and the Cavs are 2-1 agaoinst GS with him starting and 0-1 with kyrie starting.

Just gold. :oldlol:


It's not just Love and Andy moron...It's Kyrie as well.

Mozgov would still play as much as he's needed. Same with Thompson.

They are providing Delly with way more help on defense you clown. It's why the entire Warriors have been getting wide open shots all series.

If Green and Barnes didn't gag horribly on them...this series would likely be done or at worse 3-1.

Andy V would absolutely not be playing 30 to 40 minutes.

Jesus Christ.

This is about the dumbest thing you've ever said...well, outside of saying Tony Allen = Iggy finals vs finals.

Notice how you run from everything? You won't admit you didn't even watch the 08 finals.

You won't admit you didn't know anything about the early Mavs teams you were talking about?

Again, if you gave those Mavs teams Mozgov and Thompson....they'd have been in contention for some of the best teams ever. That is essentially what you have here with the Cavs...it's one of the best built rosters when healthy I can remember outside a couple things I'd have done differently...

Kyrie/Delly
Shump/JR
Lebron/Jones
Love/Thompson
Mozgov/Andy

That is one of the most versatile lineups in modern NBA history. They can play any style and play it well. They have 3 guys that can create their own shot and shots for others....two at an elite level. Their front court consists of true monsters on the glass and one 7 foot beast protecting the paint.

They have guys that can drill 3's from just about anywhere at all positions other than center.

They can play big or small...fast or slow.

If you gave Dirk, for example, a team of:

Nash
Finley
Van Exel
Raja Bell
Najera
Lafrentz
Mozgov
Thompson

Which would basically be the 03 Mavs with two players you are raving about....they would have won 70 games and the title with ease if Dirk doesn't get hurt.

You couldn't have more offensive minded and one dimensional players around Moz and Thompson and they still would have wrecked the league.

You are so off here it's a joke.

[tpols]

If Green and Barnes didn't gag horribly on them...this series would likely be done or at worse 3-1.


I dont see it solely as green and barnes gagging.. its the defense, plus that a bit, but the defense makes the bigger difference imo. Thompson and mozgov have been the best defensive and rebounding frontcourt of the entire playoffs.

They would NOT be playing the same amount of minutes.. starting the game/setting the tone etc. thats a big part of being a great defense. Notice how the warriors got off to slow starts over and over ? Thats matters. And it wouldnt exist in the same capacity with Love/Varejo getting the bulk of the minutes.

Plus Ive already said what I think of the draymond-Love matchup.. and how it could have a chain effect given that the warriors as a team feed off his energy and success.




This is about the dumbest thing you've ever said...well, outside of saying Tony Allen = Iggy finals vs finals.

I didn't know what the hell you were talking about when you said this before.. thought you were just rambling off topic as usual.. but I just saw the thread I posted in from last night.. Funny how you remembered it and have been holding onto it as some sort of means to discredit what I say in completely unrelated conversations.. so you can get another "win" on the internet.

My post was stating that in a comparison of Thompson-Mozgov and Pau-Odom supporting cast frontcourts that Pau-Odom had to face a better frontcourt than what Thompson-Mozgov had to, and, as a result, they lost their matchup with Boston, while Thompson-Mozgov are not only winning their current matchup, but they are obliterating it.

So relative to the competition they are better.

You guys cherrypicked a part of my post.. and tried to use it to distract from the fact you'd be wrong if you tried to argue the actual point I was making.

I said Boston HAD tony allen just like GS has Iggy.. I never said they had exactly equal performances.. it was just to say that boston had lockdown defenders just like GS had in addition to being better across the board starter wise.




As far as the rest I dont know what you're rambling about thompson and mozgov on the mavs.. Saying the mavs would be an all time great team with them. It all depends how they are used what opportunities they get.. Just how it would be anywhere.. on the cavs they are being used perfectly and playing amazingly. Thats what we know right now.. most of the shit you type is just sidetracking/rambling nonsense. The DMavs Carousel Merry-Go-Round of debate

[Heavincent]

Assuming Durant is healthy, and they better make sure he is this time after last years disaster of brining him back too early, OKC is easily the title favorite.

Westbrook/Augustin
Morrow/Waiters/Lamb
Durant/Singler/PJIII
Ibaka/McGary/Collison
Kanter/Adams/Collison

That's EASILY the best starting lineup in the league and probably the best bench as well. Also OKC's biggest weakness(Brooks) is now a thing of the past.

Shit defense. 2012 was far and away their best shot at a title and they shit the bed.

[DMAVS41]

I dont see it solely as green and barnes gagging.. its the defense, plus that a bit, but the defense makes the bigger difference imo. Thompson and mozgov have been the best defensive and rebounding frontcourt of the entire playoffs.

They would NOT be playing the same amount of minutes.. starting the game/setting the tone etc. thats a big part of being a great defense. Notice how the warriors got off to slow starts over and over ? Thats matters. And it wouldnt exist in the same capacity with Love/Varejo getting the bulk of the minutes.

Plus Ive already said what I think of the draymond-Love matchup.. and how it could have a chain effect given that the warriors as a team feed off his energy and success.






I didn't know what the hell you were talking about when you said this before.. thought you were just rambling off topic as usual.. but I just saw the thread I posted in from last night.. Funny how you remembered it and have been holding onto it as some sort of means to discredit what I say in completely unrelated conversations.. so you can get another "win" on the internet.

My post was stating that in a comparison of Thompson-Mozgov and Pau-Odom supporting cast frontcourts that Pau-Odom had to face a better frontcourt than what Thompson-Mozgov had to, and, as a result, they lost their matchup with Boston, while Thompson-Mozgov are not only winning their current matchup, but they are obliterating it.

So relative to the competition they are better.

You guys cherrypicked a part of my post.. and tried to use it to distract from the fact you'd be wrong if you tried to argue the actual point I was making.

I said Boston HAD tony allen just like GS has Iggy.. I never said they had exactly equal performances.. it was just to say that boston had lockdown defenders just like GS had in addition to being better across the board starter wise.




As far as the rest I dont know what you're rambling about thompson and mozgov on the mavs.. Saying the mavs would be an all time great team with them. It all depends how they are used what opportunities they get.. Just how it would be anywhere.. on the cavs they are being used perfectly and playing amazingly. Thats what we know right now.. most of the shit you type is just sidetracking/rambling nonsense. The DMavs Carousel Merry-Go-Round of debate


It is important though. It's now clear you didn't watch back in 08. Nobody that followed the Lakers or the NBA would have said what you did. Just admit you didn't watch back then at all and that you really don't have a clue with what you are talking about.

Just like you have no clue with what you are talking about with the Mavs. The Mavs had 4 years together on those "loaded" teams you speak of. One of those years was in 01 and it was their first playoffs together. They upset the Jazz in round 1. In 02 they lost to the loaded Kings. In 03 they made the WCF after winning 60 games. In 04 they were injured and a poorly constructed roster.

The reason why it's a terrible example is that they were even more all offense and no defense than this Cavs team based on personnel....it's actually not close. And if you gave that team exactly what they needed...which was guys like Mozgov and Thompson...they'd have absolutely destroyed the league...even with other great teams back then.

So you going on and on about how the Cavs are better without their 2nd and 3rd and probably 7th best players...is just so stupid.

Also, we have different standards for playing amazingly...Thompson is playing well, but amazing? Just no. He can't score. Like he literally can't put the ball in the basket when he's 3 feet away half the time. He's been a good, but hardly elite defensive player in this series as well. I'm not trying to hate on him because I like him and I was definitely wrong about him, but acting like 7/14 in his kind of minutes on horrid scoring efficiency without elite defense is worthy of your kind of praise is just absurdly stupid.

It's beyond stupid. It makes no sense at all.

Tpols just talking out of his ass as usual...and avoiding his blatant nonsense like the plague afterwards.

Bu bu bu bu bu but...I was just saying they had Allen...I wasn't saying he played. GTFO clown.

[DMAVS41]

Shit defense. 2012 was far and away their best shot at a title and they shit the bed.

To be fair...they really didn't. Harden did.

Harden plays well and they probably win that series.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm just going to make this clear and maybe we can have a resolution to this thead. Anyone who thinks the Cavs are somehow better by subtracting Kyrie, Love and Varejao are either (a) trolling, (b) know nothing about the Cavs, (c) know nothing about basketball, (d) are just plain stupid, or (e) all of the above.

There is no logical explanation for this position that is reasonable or can withstand even a passing critique. It is just a dumb stance and anyone arguing it should re-examine the situation and probably life in general.

[DMAVS41]

I'm just going to make this clear and maybe we can have a resolution to this thead. Anyone who thinks the Cavs are somehow better by subtracting Kyrie, Love and Varejao are either (a) trolling, (b) know nothing about the Cavs, (c) know nothing about basketball, (d) are just plain stupid, or (e) all of the above.

There is no logical explanation for this position that is reasonable or can withstand even a passing critique. It is just a dumb stance and anyone arguing it should re-examine the situation and probably life in general.


Ouch...:applause: