Rank the following in terms of skills/ability/individual dominance

[Dragonyeuw]

WITHOUT taking into account team record. Just looking at the players in a bubble based off individual level of play:

2006 Kobe
2003 Tmac
2014 Durant
2012 Lebron
2009 Wade

Or, if you want to suggest an alternative year for a particular player thats fine too.2003 Tmac, Wade 2009, Durant 2014 were clearly the best versions of said players but some may prefer 2003 or 2008 Kobe, or 2010 Lebron.

[ImKobe]

03 T-Mac and 06 Kobe were on some prime Jordan shit

other guys don't compare.

[Jameerthefear]

1. '12 Lebron
2a. '06 Kobe
2b. '09 Wade
3. '14 Durant
4. '03 T-Mac

[kennethgriffin]

2006-2009 kobe > all of them by far


unreal blend of shooting/defense/athleticism/leadership/killer instinct/fundamentals/footwork/post game

[AirFederer]

1. '12 Lebron
2. 09 Wade
3. '14 Durant'
4. '06 Kobe
4. '03 T-Mac

[MP.Trey]

06 Kobe

12 LeBron

09 Wade
03 T-Mac
14 Durant

The last three are really tossups for me. No disrespect to those lower on the list, all are/were great players.

[kennethgriffin]

for the people saying lebron lol


2006 kobe would have taken all 4 miami teams to the championship from 2011 to 2014

[NBASTATMAN]

WITHOUT taking into account team record. Just looking at the players in a bubble based off individual level of play:

2006 Kobe
2003 Tmac
2014 Durant
2012 Lebron
2009 Wade

Or, if you want to suggest an alternative year for a particular player thats fine too.2003 Tmac, Wade 2009, Durant 2014 were clearly the best versions of said players but some may prefer 2003 or 2008 Kobe, or 2010 Lebron.

WADE
LEBRON
KOBE AND DURANT EQUAL IMO
TMAC

THIS IS DEF THE BEST LIST... :rockon: :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

for the people saying lebron lol


2006 kobe would have taken all 4 miami teams to the championship from 2011 to 2014
Hell no he wouldn't. He wouldn't have gotten to the finals 2-3 of the times.

[NBASTATMAN]

for the people saying lebron lol


2006 kobe would have taken all 4 miami teams to the championship from 2011 to 2014


06 KOBE SCUKED IN THE PLAYOFFS.. Dude had as many turnovers as assists in that one series vs the GARBAGe SUNS... Let me remind you that SUNS team had no person taller than 6FT 8 INCHES tall and WERE DOWN 3-1...

06 KOBE REGULAR SEASON is one of the best regular seasons of all time...

[BlakFrankWhite]

What are you all smoking???? Lol

Durant averaged 32/7/6 on a 50/39/88.....that's GOD like...none of the others come close

Oh yeah...he also led his team to 59 wins in the west...much of the season playing without Westbrook

[ImKobe]

What are you all smoking???? Lol

Durant averaged 32/7/6 on a 50/39/88.....that's GOD like...none of the others come close

Oh yeah...he also led his team to 59 wins in the west...much of the season playing without Westbrook


weak era

T-Mac and Kobe averaged similar numbers in 03 and that was before handchecking got banned and the spacing improved

[BlakFrankWhite]

weak era

T-Mac and Kobe averaged similar numbers in 03 and that was before handchecking got banned and the spacing improved

Kobe and the lakers are shit....so its a weak era.

Ok bro

[bizil]

It comes down to Lebron and Kobe. So do u prefer a score first player who is ALSO a great passer. Or do u want a pass first player who is ALSO a great scorer. Both are great defenders as well.

In my opinion, its easier to build a team around Lebron so I will lean that way. He's the most versatile player of all time. So in that sense, he's CAPABLE of doing more things on the court than Kobe. The edge Bron has on all the other GOAT perimeter players is his blend of size and athletic ability. But NO QUESTION Kobe is the superior assassin and dominant scorer.

[Wade's Rings]

'09 Wade

Everybody Else

[riseagainst]

lebron
wade
durant
tmac
kobe

[NBASTATMAN]

lebron
wade
durant
tmac
kobe


I Kobe and Tmac both choked their respective years.. They were up 3-1 IN PLAYOFFS SO THIS ISNT A BAD LIST... But I would put Kobe over tmac..

[Joyner82reload]

LeBron & Durant are clearly the top 2, the order doesn't matter. There is a significant drop off to the next player. 32/7.5/5.5 on 64 TS%? Those are godly stats for a month, let alone a season

[Quickening]

It comes down to Lebron and Kobe. So do u prefer a score first player who is ALSO a great passer. Or do u want a pass first player who is ALSO a great scorer. Both are great defenders as well.

In my opinion, its easier to build a team around Lebron so I will lean that way. He's the most versatile player of all time. So in that sense, he's CAPABLE of doing more things on the court than Kobe. The edge Bron has on all the other GOAT perimeter players is his blend of size and athletic ability. But NO QUESTION Kobe is the superior assassin and dominant scorer.

And yet Lebron averages more PPG for his career

[bizil]

And yet Lebron averages more PPG for his career

That's the beauty of Lebron's game. He's a pass first player who averages 27-30 points a night. Big O and Lebron are the only two guys in league history like that.

Even though Bron averages more points than Kobe for his career, I still think Kobe is the better scorer. For starters, Kobe's scoring skillset is better than Bron's. Secondly, Kobe has averaged 35 points in a season. And has put up 81 points in a game.

ALL THAT POINTS to the fact that Kobe's best skill is his scoring. Kobe's a great all around player who can do it all. But he's a score first player. So when it comes to scoring, give me Kobe over Lebron. It's not just about the numbers, it's about the scoring skillset and mentality Kobe has.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

WITHOUT taking into account team record. Just looking at the players in a bubble based off individual level of play:

2006 Kobe
2003 Tmac
2014 Durant
2012 Lebron
2009 Wade

Or, if you want to suggest an alternative year for a particular player thats fine too.2003 Tmac, Wade 2009, Durant 2014 were clearly the best versions of said players but some may prefer 2003 or 2008 Kobe, or 2010 Lebron.

1. 2012 LeBron
2. 2006 Kobe
3. 2014 Durant
4. 2009 Wade (the only year he had a jumpshot. Disappeared really quickly after this year too)
5. 2003 T Mac (choked against the Pistons in the playoffs)

[Wade's Rings]

1. 2012 LeBron
2. 2006 Kobe
3. 2014 Durant
4. 2009 Wade (the only year he had a jumpshot. Disappeared really quickly after this year too)
5. 2003 T Mac (choked against the Pistons in the playoffs)

2006-2008: Wade shot 40% from Midrange
2011-2012 & 2014-2015: he shot above 40% from Midrange
2013-2014: he shot 50% from midrange

He has 5 other Post seasons shooting 40+% from Midrange outside of 2009
He has 4 Post Seasons shooting 37+% from 3 outside of 2009

But yeah 2009 was the only year he had a jumpshot :oldlol:

[Cold soul]

1. 06 Kobe
2. 12 Lebron
3. 09 Wade
4. 14 Durant
5. 03 T-Mac

[Prometheus]

WITHOUT taking into account team record. Just looking at the players in a bubble based off individual level of play:

2006 Kobe
2003 Tmac
2014 Durant
2012 Lebron
2009 Wade

Or, if you want to suggest an alternative year for a particular player thats fine too.2003 Tmac, Wade 2009, Durant 2014 were clearly the best versions of said players but some may prefer 2003 or 2008 Kobe, or 2010 Lebron.

I almost don't want to do this, because all five are so great that they don't belong at the bottom of any sort of list. But here goes:

'12 bran
'14 Durant
'09 Wade
'03 T Mac





'06 Kobe

Kobe is really the only one that doesn't belong here. He isn't on the same tier as the other players, in terms of individual greatness.

[Prometheus]

1. 06 Kobe
2. 12 Lebron
3. 09 Wade
4. 14 Durant
5. 03 T-Mac

uh... nice avy :lol

[Gabuyaux]

TMac
Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Durant

[Rocketswin2013]

Just reg season?
'12 LeBron
'14 Durant(very close to #1)
'09 Wade
'06 Kobe
'04 Tmac


The first 2 are definitely top 2 IMO. The last 3 are interchangeable.

[Cold soul]

uh... nice avy :lol

Thanks man! :cheers:

You are mad underrating Kobe 06 season which is his greatest from individual stand point to me.

[Jlamb47]

06 Kobe / 14 Durant
12 Lebron
09 Wade
03 Tmac

[Prometheus]

Thanks man! :cheers:

You are mad underrating Kobe 06 season which is his greatest from individual stand point to me.

:lol I was only playin. I'd actually put him right in third place there, below '14 Durant and above '09 Wade.

I don't see how anyone could not have '12 bran first in this one though. He's the only guy listed that won a championship that year, and his run included one of the most timely, dominant playoff performances in history (@ Boston, gm6).

[Wade's Rings]

:lol I was only playin. I'd actually put him right in third place there, below '14 Durant and above '09 Wade.

I don't see how anyone could not have '12 bran first in this one though. He's the only guy listed that won a championship that year, and his run included one of the most timely, dominant playoff performances in history (@ Boston, gm6).

Why are you taking '06 Kobe or '14 Durant over '09 Wade?

[Prometheus]

Why are you taking '06 Kobe or '14 Durant over '09 Wade?

'06 Kobe was a significantly better scorer. '14 Durant was a better offensive weapon as well.

Why would you take '09 Wade ahead of them?

[Rocketswin2013]

'06 Kobe was a significantly better scorer. '14 Durant was a better offensive weapon as well.

Why would you take '09 Wade ahead of them?
Wade got 7.5 APG with trash cans as teammates. Gotta give credit.

[Wade's Rings]

'06 Kobe was a significantly better scorer. '14 Durant was a better offensive weapon as well.

Why would you take '09 Wade ahead of them?

I agree they were better Scorers.

I take Wade because his Defense & Passing was significantly better while playing with worse teammates.

[Prometheus]

Wade got 7.5 APG with trash cans as teammates. Gotta give credit.

Agreed, which is why I said:


I almost don't want to do this, because all five are so great that they don't belong at the bottom of any sort of list.

But it's worth pointing out that APG doesn't really tend to follow the quality of one's teammates. This idea is counter-intuitive, but hear me out.

Why do you think it is that LeBron didn't average significantly more assists in Miami than he did in his first stint in Cleveland? You would think that his assist numbers would skyrocket, since he was playing with better offensive players... right?

But LeBron averaged 8.6 APG in '10... and then in Miami, by season (over his peak no less), he averaged 7.0, 6.2, 7.3, and 6.3 APG. Why? He dominated the ball less. Those better offensive teammates (the ones whose presence one would expect to boost APG) actually often reduce APG because they can make their own plays.

Just look at LeBron's numbers in these Finals. He's had multiple 10+ assist games, and it's not because his teammates are good. It's actually because they suck. They can't make plays for themselves, so he has to make all the plays. Kudos to him, because his assist/turnover ratio is almost 3.0, and he's really getting the most out of the crumbs he's left to work with... but if Kyrie and Love were still in there, his APG would probably be lower.

So yeah, Wade was amazing in 2009. But despite his all-around brilliance, his primary function on the court was to be a dominant scorer. The same is true of '06 Kobe and '14 Durant, and they were better at it. So I'm giving it to them.

[Wade's Rings]

Agreed, which is why I said:



But it's worth pointing out that APG doesn't really tend to follow the quality of one's teammates. This idea is counter-intuitive, but hear me out.

Why do you think it is that LeBron didn't average significantly more assists in Miami than he did in his first stint in Cleveland? You would think that his assist numbers would skyrocket, since he was playing with better offensive players... right?

But LeBron averaged 8.6 APG in '10... and then in Miami, by season (over his peak no less), he averaged 7.0, 6.2, 7.3, and 6.3 APG. Why? He dominated the ball less. Those better offensive teammates (the ones whose presence one would expect to boost APG) actually often reduce APG because they can make their own plays.

Just look at LeBron's numbers in these Finals. He's had multiple 10+ assist games, and it's not because his teammates are good. It's actually because they suck. They can't make plays for themselves, so he has to make all the plays. Kudos to him, because his assist/turnover ratio is almost 3.0, and he's really getting the most out of the crumbs he's left to work with... but if Kyrie and Love were still in there, his APG would probably be lower.

So yeah, Wade was amazing in 2009. But despite his all-around brilliance, his primary function on the court was to be a dominant scorer. The same is true of '06 Kobe and '14 Durant, and they were better at it. So I'm giving it to them.

What about Defense?

[Prometheus]

What about Defense?


So yeah, Wade was amazing in 2009. But despite his all-around brilliance, his primary function on the court was to be a dominant scorer. The same is true of '06 Kobe and '14 Durant, and they were better at it. So I'm giving it to them.

He's definitely the best defender of the three - but as a perimeter player, I don't think it is enough to compensate for what I already said. Wade had to do more of everything else, but they were better at the #1 job, which is to be the #1 option and put the ball in the hole.

Defense is enough to swing the argument for me when you're talking about Kobe vs. Duncan or Kobe vs. Olajuwon... not Kobe vs. Wade.

[Wade's Rings]

He's definitely the best defender of the three - but as a perimeter player, I don't think it is enough to compensate for what I already said. Wade had to do more of everything else, but they were better at the #1 job, which is to be the #1 option and put the ball in the hole.

Defense is enough to swing the argument for me when you're talking about Kobe vs. Duncan or Kobe vs. Olajuwon... not Kobe vs. Wade.

We can agree to disagree :cheers:

[KiiiiNG]

12 Bron
14 Durant
09 Wade(upgraded version of kobe, better playmaker, better defender)
03 T-Mac
06 Kobe (didnt win shit)

[sd3035]

Durant and Kobe are tied for first, then Wade. The other two are far below

[SexSymbol]

WITHOUT taking into account team record. Just looking at the players in a bubble based off individual level of play:

2006 Kobe
2003 Tmac
2014 Durant
2012 Lebron
2009 Wade

Or, if you want to suggest an alternative year for a particular player thats fine too.2003 Tmac, Wade 2009, Durant 2014 were clearly the best versions of said players but some may prefer 2003 or 2008 Kobe, or 2010 Lebron.

06 Kobe
14 Durant
12 LeBron
09 Wade
03 Tmac.

Tmac doesn't belong in the conversation, he was putting empty stats on a shitty team

[VengefulAngel]

Lebron 12
Kobe 06
Durant 14/ Wade 09 ( I'll take Wade, but what Durant did is seriously underrated)
Tmac 03.

[KiiiiNG]

06 Kobe
14 Durant
12 LeBron
09 Wade
03 Tmac.

Tmac doesn't belong in the conversation, he was putting empty stats on a shitty team
:roll:

[SexSymbol]

:roll:
Kobe actually put up a fight against the suns and took them to 7 games.
And led a shitty team to wins, 45 of them actually.
There was nobody worth mentioning even as a role player outside of Odom on that team, literally the worst supporting cast you can think of

[KiiiiNG]

Kobe actually put up a fight against the suns and took them to 7 games.
And led a shitty team to wins, 45 of them actually.
There was nobody worth mentioning even as a role player outside of Odom on that team, literally the worst supporting cast you can think of
the magic were worse, and t-mac had better overall numbers.

but hey, they're both last on this list.

everyone but lebron 2012 had a shitty supporting cast. eye test, numbers, win column. kobe is in last for me.

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll:

:roll:


06 Kobe
14 Durant
12 LeBron
09 Wade
03 Tmac.

Tmac doesn't belong in the conversation, he was putting empty stats on a shitty team



Kobe actually put up a fight against the suns and took them to 7 games.
And led a shitty team to wins, 45 of them actually.
There was nobody worth mentioning even as a role player outside of Odom on that team, literally the worst supporting cast you can think of

T-Mac forced the PISTONS to 7 games too :roll: :roll: :roll:

clown

[KiiiiNG]

:roll:



you damn retard T-Mac forced the PISTONS to 7 games too :roll: :roll: :roll:
and was easily better in the playoffs. :roll:

****ing kobe stans, man. :facepalm

[EwingMan]

Agreed, which is why I said:



But it's worth pointing out that APG doesn't really tend to follow the quality of one's teammates. This idea is counter-intuitive, but hear me out.

Why do you think it is that LeBron didn't average significantly more assists in Miami than he did in his first stint in Cleveland? You would think that his assist numbers would skyrocket, since he was playing with better offensive players... right?

But LeBron averaged 8.6 APG in '10... and then in Miami, by season (over his peak no less), he averaged 7.0, 6.2, 7.3, and 6.3 APG. Why? He dominated the ball less. Those better offensive teammates (the ones whose presence one would expect to boost APG) actually often reduce APG because they can make their own plays.

Just look at LeBron's numbers in these Finals. He's had multiple 10+ assist games, and it's not because his teammates are good. It's actually because they suck. They can't make plays for themselves, so he has to make all the plays. Kudos to him, because his assist/turnover ratio is almost 3.0, and he's really getting the most out of the crumbs he's left to work with... but if Kyrie and Love were still in there, his APG would probably be lower.

So yeah, Wade was amazing in 2009. But despite his all-around brilliance, his primary function on the court was to be a dominant scorer. The same is true of '06 Kobe and '14 Durant, and they were better at it. So I'm giving it to them.

:applause:

[SexSymbol]

:roll:






T-Mac forced the PISTONS to 7 games too :roll: :roll: :roll:

clown
wow. the pistons. the 26th best offense in the league. amazing

[ArbitraryWater]

wow. the pistons. the 26th best offense in the league. amazing

and the Suns had the #19 ranked defense, all you do is shoot yourself with these shitty 'arguments'

[KiiiiNG]

wow. the pistons. the 26th best offense in the league. amazing
but arguably the best defense, while the suns had arguably the worst in 2006.

and yet t-mac was still able to outscore kobe. :lol

[SexSymbol]

but arguably the best defense, while the suns had arguably the worst in 2006.

and yet t-mac was still able to outscore kobe. :lol
Suns were at least in the upper half of the league in defense that year by eye test.
Tmac played in the east, same pistons lost to the focking nets that year.

[Wade's Rings]

Suns were at least in the upper half of the league in defense that year by Bias.
Tmac played in the east, same pistons lost to the focking nets that year.

Fixed

[navy]

Suns were at least in the upper half of the league in defense that year by eye test.
Tmac played in the east, same pistons lost to the focking nets that year.
:biggums:

[Jacks3]

2012 LBJ
2014 Durant
2006 Bryant
2003 T-Mac
2009 Wade

[Prometheus]

F*cking Kobe stan in here ranking '06 Kobe over '12 LeBron...

And then talking about the playoffs when defending his ranking...

You have got to be kidding me dude.