91 Jordan or 2015 bron?

[NZStreetBaller]

who was better??

[Angel Face]

How's this even a question? 91 Jordan is the best basketball player to ever play the game. 89 - 93 Version of him.

[Fork]

Comparing peak Jordan to one of the worst versions of LeBron :facepalm

[miles berg]

Ummm....really lol? Jordan by galaxies and galaxies.

[Quickening]

Ummm....really lol? Jordan by galaxies and galaxies.

No

[COnDEMnED]

Every version of Jordan over any version of Lebron just for the mental edge alone.

[Harison]

Only Lebron stans would pick LBJ (and even among them most wouldnt be that... unwise).

[kells333]

Only Lebron stans would pick LBJ (and even among them most wouldnt be that... unwise).

Why do you have to be a stan for having an opinion. Lebron is clearly the better passer and rebounder and has a legit arguement.

[plowking]

Why do you have to be a stan for having an opinion. Lebron is clearly the better passer and rebounder and has a legit arguement.

Exactly.

91 Jordan is better than 15 Lebron, but pick both their best seasons and it is a toss up as to who is better.

People saying Jordan by galaxies and that no version of Bron is better. :facepalm

[COnDEMnED]

Exactly.

91 Jordan is better than 15 Lebron, but pick both their best seasons and it is a toss up as to who is better.

People saying Jordan by galaxies and that no version of Bron is better. :facepalm
No version of Lebrony's mentality is better than any version of Jordan's mentality. That's important for not only winning championships, but also longevity. If your athleticism fades and you don't have the mentality to adjust to find other ways to dominate, your career ends when your athleticism does. People like Dwight and Lebron are candidates for this type of decline.

[ArbitraryWater]

How dumb does one have to be to even ask :biggums:

[Dr Hawk]

Ummm....really lol? Jordan by galaxies and galaxies.


This

[Rocketswin2013]

That's like asking: '12 LeBron or '95 Jordan?

[coast2coast]

who was better??

LeBron by a wide margin. '91 Jordan isn't even a top 5 NBA Finals modern era performer whereas LeBron is on pace to tie Shaquille O'Neal as the best Finals performer of the modern era:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2d9cj00.png

[kennethgriffin]

i still don't understand why lebron fans are hyping this version of james up

A) he lost in the finals
B) he didnt win mvp
C) he didnt lead in PER
D) he shot under 40% in the finals
E) hes getting shut down by a 40 year old
F) a finals virgin is taking finals MVP
G) a rookie won finals mvp over him a year ago



so hes finally getting a nice number of rebounds... a 6-9, 270 pound athletic monster is finally averaging double digit rebounds... its about damn time

[riseagainst]

LeBron by a wide margin. '91 Jordan isn't even a top 5 NBA Finals modern era performer whereas LeBron is on pace to tie Shaquille O'Neal as the best Finals performer of the modern era:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2d9cj00.png

lol.... this is a terrible way of ranking all time finals performances.
:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

LeBron by a wide margin. '91 Jordan isn't even a top 5 NBA Finals modern era performer whereas LeBron is on pace to tie Shaquille O'Neal as the best Finals performer of the modern era:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2d9cj00.png

almost 20 of those 25 won the title

[Prometheus]

Replace '15 bran with any player from any year and the answer is still '91 Jordan.

[Cold soul]

91 Jordan by sufficient margin.

[Prometheus]

Seriously, no one who actually witnessed '91 Jordan would think to ask this. He was so good, it was almost perfect. LeBron is not playing at that level, and no amount of 40-point triple doubles will change that.

[Marchesk]

43 + 9 + 6 = 58, not 57. And what about blocks, steals, turnovers, FG%?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

87-93 MJ are better than any version of Bran maybe 96 as well
89-91 MJ by a massive margin

[andgar923]

Bron's stats while impressive are highly misleading

[riseagainst]

Lebron >>> MJ, deal wit it.

:pimp:

can you imagine if lebron has MJ's 91 supporting cast?
He would literally average 50-15-15 on 55%FG.
:lol

[Dresta]

LeBron by a wide margin. '91 Jordan isn't even a top 5 NBA Finals modern era performer whereas LeBron is on pace to tie Shaquille O'Neal as the best Finals performer of the modern era:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2d9cj00.png
That is one of the stupidest charts i've ever seen - just adding up their aggregated numbers and calling that best, really? Not to mention the chart has clearly been made by a Bron stan, as Wade's 34.7 and 7.8 were rounded down, and Bron's are all rounded up (and if corrected Wade 06 goes above Bron 12). Could it be any more obvious that whoever made this idiotic chart has an agenda?

One of Shaq's rounded up too from 2.3 - probably loads of inaccuracies.

[Da_Realist]

That is one of the stupidest charts i've ever seen - just adding up their aggregated numbers and calling that best, really? Not to mention the chart has clearly been made by a Bron stan, as Wade's 34.7 and 7.8 were rounded down, and Bron's are all rounded up (and if corrected Wade 06 goes above Bron 12). Could it be any more obvious that whoever made this idiotic chart has an agenda?

One of Shaq's rounded up too from 2.3 - probably loads of inaccuracies.

Horrible.

[f0und]

That is one of the stupidest charts i've ever seen - just adding up their aggregated numbers and calling that best, really? Not to mention the chart has clearly been made by a Bron stan, as Wade's 34.7 and 7.8 were rounded down, and Bron's are all rounded up (and if corrected Wade 06 goes above Bron 12). Could it be any more obvious that whoever made this idiotic chart has an agenda?

One of Shaq's rounded up too from 2.3 - probably loads of inaccuracies.

lol

that is beyond sad

[diamenz]

91 jordan without a doubt.

[ImKobe]

any version of Bulls' MJ is better than Lebron

[ClipperRevival]

1991 MJ was at the peak of his efficiency.

.558% FG
31.2 PPG
11.4 APG
6.6 RPG
2.8 SPG
1.4 BPG

PER? Can anyone calculate this? It has to be off the charts.

[SexSymbol]

MJ obviously... Much more dominating playoffs, regular season and the finals.

[Nuff Said]

1991 MJ was at the peak of his efficiency.

.558% FG
31.2 PPG
11.4 APG
6.6 RPG
2.8 SPG
1.4 BPG

PER? Can anyone calculate this? It has to be off the charts.
I think Wade had the highest finals per tho.

[3ball]

LeBron by a wide margin, based on the 538 list.


Oh, so we're in the third grade just adding up the main stat categories now (pts, rebs, assists)?.. The chart treats the stat categories as exact equals when they aren't.. Scoring is the most important thing for a #1 option - hence the definition of "#1" option.

If Lebron was getting 30/17, he wouldn't be helping his team as much as if he was getting 40/10.. In this series, we've all seen the virtues of high shot volume coupled with a 40 PPG scoring level, and how these things help a team play the game at their preferred pace.

Even though scoring by itself is the most important category for a #1 option, scoring + clutch is by far > than any stat category, especially for a #1 option.

Of course, even using the 3rd grade analysis of adding up the categories as 538 has done, MJ still has 3 of the top 10, most of anyone... and 4 total on the list, the most of anyone..

Meanwhile, Lebron is only in the top 10 once, in anomalous fashion no doubt - after all, Lebron wasn't skilled enough to put up monster numbers like MJ while alongside GOOD supporting casts.. Lebron could only break the top 10 with a lesser supporting cast where he was forced to put up shots - of course, he was in this situation in 2007, but he DIDN'T put up the shots, whereas now he's learned from it, although his efficiency is still the same horrific mid-high 30's range.

[ClipperRevival]

I think Wade had the highest finals per tho.

Would be cool to see the list of best PER in a finals.

[TheMan]

Bran stans shook af :oldlol:

[DFish24]

Better question would be '98 Jordan or current Bran.

[ClipperRevival]

Wade 2006 Finals:

.468 FG%
34.7 PPG
3.8 APG
7.8 RPG
2.7 SPG
1.0 BPG

I think MJ's 1991 Finals PER is higher. Unless if PER accounts for FT shooting, in which case Wade might take it cause he made 12.5 per game in that series.

[Mr. Jabbar]

i'd take the '62 embryo version of jordan over leshortcut

[ClipperRevival]

Bran stans shook af :oldlol:

MJ was 35 in 1998. LOL. And he still was the best player in the NBA by a mile. His efficiency continued to drop from 1995 onwards as he aged, which is expected. His rebounding and assists totals dropped, so did his FG%. He was more of a scorer than the complete, all around GOAT player from 1991 - 1993.

If Bron is still far and away the best player in the game 5 years from now, I will :bowdown: to him. But we all know that's not happening.

[jstern]

LeBron by a wide margin. '91 Jordan isn't even a top 5 NBA Finals modern era performer whereas LeBron is on pace to tie Shaquille O'Neal as the best Finals performer of the modern era:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2d9cj00.png

That's just the sum of points, rebounds and assist. Lebron has clearly been the man, MVP, but his FG% has been horrible. But most importantly his inability to score one on one has been disgusting. That takes him out of the conversation with any version of Jordan.

That's like a limited cherry picked stat, like ESPN does.

[3ball]

That's just the sum of points, rebounds and assist. Lebron has clearly been the man, MVP, but his FG% has been horrible. But most importantly his inability to score one on one has been disgusting. That takes him out of the conversation with any version of Jordan.

That's like a limited cherry picked stat, like ESPN does.
Exactly - it's like we're in the third grade just adding up the main stat categories now (pts, rebs, assists).. The chart treats the stat categories as exact equals when they aren't.. Scoring is the most important thing for a #1 option - hence the definition of "#1" option.

If Lebron was getting 30/17, he wouldn't be helping his team as much as if he was getting 40/10.. In this series, we've all seen the virtues of high shot volume coupled with a 40 PPG scoring level, and how these things help a team play the game at their preferred pace.

Even though scoring by itself is already the most important category for a #1 option - the clutch factor and performance down the stretch of games must be factored in... Scoring + clutch > than any stat category, especially for a #1 option.

Of course, even using the 3rd grade analysis of adding up pts/rebs/assists like 538 has done, MJ still has 3 of the top 10, the most top 10's of anyone... and he has 4 total on the list, the most of anyone..

Meanwhile, Lebron only shows up once in the top 10 - he wasn't skilled enough to put up historic numbers while alongside GOOD supporting casts like MJ.. The only way he cracked the top 10 is because his #2 went down with injury in these Finals, forcing him to overcome his beta and shoot indiscriminently.. And he's shown he learned from 2007, when he DIDN'T put up the shots (but still had the same horrific efficiency, proving Lebron can't shoot).
.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade 2006 Finals:

.468 FG%
34.7 PPG
3.8 APG
7.8 RPG
2.7 SPG
1.0 BPG

I think MJ's 1991 Finals PER is higher. Unless if PER accounts for FT shooting, in which case Wade might take it cause he made 12.5 per game in that series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/FinalsPerformances-1/greatest-finals-performances-no-1

[Papaya Petee]

That is one of the stupidest charts i've ever seen - just adding up their aggregated numbers and calling that best, really? Not to mention the chart has clearly been made by a Bron stan, as Wade's 34.7 and 7.8 were rounded down, and Bron's are all rounded up (and if corrected Wade 06 goes above Bron 12). Could it be any more obvious that whoever made this idiotic chart has an agenda?

One of Shaq's rounded up too from 2.3 - probably loads of inaccuracies.
This is just for the first 5 games of the series.

Wade had 36 and 10 in game 6 he was at 34.5 and 7.4 prior to game 6. Still bad rounding but I get it

[SHAQisGOAT]

No "version" of LeBron is as good as '91 Jordan... That's a top5 peak right there - at the least - along with Shaq, Kareem, Bird and Wilt.

[sportjames23]

No


Ok then, universes and universes.