If LeBron wins Finals MVP in a loss, why should Season MVP be based on wins?

[konex]

I still think this is going 7 and Cavs could win if Bron goes crazy. However if GS wins tonight or on Friday, how could the media justify Bron as the MVP without loosening the criteria for Regular Season MVP?

[SyRyanYang]

He wont win unless Curry plays like absolute shit.

[Quickening]

I think they're two different awards

[SpecialQue]

Jesus Christ do I hate ISH sometimes. I can't believe this is even a thing that people are talking about.

[Akhenaten]

Jesus Christ do I hate ISH sometimes. I can't believe this is even a thing that people are talking about.


This is not just ish, they are talking about this (BRAWN for FMVP) EVERYWHERE, talk radio, TV, barbershops, realgm, other boards.

[JerrySeinfeld]

This is not just ish, they are talking about this (BRAWN for FMVP) EVERYWHERE, talk radio, TV, barbershops, realgm, other boards.

He's shooting sub 40% for the series and just 30% in 4th quarter and OT, with that number shrinking down to just barely above 20% in the last 3 minutes of the 4th + OT....

And this while being left in single coverage every single time down the floor...

And they wanna make him the FMVP in a losing effort? :biggums:

[Akhenaten]

He's shooting sub 40% for the series and just 30% in 4th quarter and OT, with that number shrinking down to just barely above 20% in the last 3 minutes of the 4th + OT....

And this while being left in single coverage every single time down the floor...

And they wanna make him the FMVP in a losing effort? :biggums:


Its ridiculous to me too but people are talking about it everywhere, you know once LESPN pushes something its a wrap, their machine is just so powerful.

[SpecialQue]

Its ridiculous to me too but people are talking about it everywhere, you know once LESPN pushes something its a wrap, their machine is just so powerful.

Imagine the Warriors win. They're all gathered, the Commish comes out, gives them a trophy, there's a huge celebration, everyone's happy, and then they announce, "this year's finals MVP goes to...Lebron James!" I mean, let's get real about this. Is this something that people actually believe is a thing that is going to happen? Seriously? The last time it happened it was a consolation prize since they figured West was NEVER going to win. Lebron has already won twice. There is absolutely no way that this could be justified.

[stanlove1111]

Jesus Christ do I hate ISH sometimes. I can't believe this is even a thing that people are talking about.

I hate guys who has to think should work one way because well that's the way they have worked.

There is no reason why a player on a losing team shouldn't be MVP, just like there is no reason a player on a 45-37 cant' be the MVP over a guy on a 65-17 team.

If say the Cavs without Lebron would have got beat by 30 points every game and swept in 4 ( which they would have ) but the Warriors without Curry still win the series pretty easily then Lebron is in fact the most valuable player. I am not sure why many can't grasp this. I can't believe anyone can watch this series and not realize that Lebron is far and away the most valuable player on the court. Every knows that if h gets anyreal rest he game is over.


But I do with they would change things and stop awarding most valuable, it should be player of the series or player of the year. Most valuable has become a joke because of people like the guy I am responding to because he thinks you have to give it to the best player on the best team, which of course makes the award pretty meaningless.

[ISHGoat]

I hate guys who has to think should work one way because well that's the way they have worked.

There is no reason why a player on a losing team shouldn't be MVP, just like there is no reason a player on a 45-37 cant' be the MVP over a guy on a 65-17 team.

If say the Cavs without Lebron would have got beat by 30 points every game and swept in 4 ( which they would have ) but the Warriors without Curry still win the series pretty easily then Lebron is in fact the most valuable player. I am not sure why many can't grasp this. I can't believe anyone can watch this series and not realize that Lebron is far and away the most valuable player on the court.


But I do with they would change things and stop awarding most valuable, it should be player of the series or player of the year. Most valuable has become a joke because of people like the guy I am responding to because he thinks you have to give it to the best player on the best team, which of course makes the award pretty meaningless.

Cavs would be favored against warriors without curry IMO

[Rocketswin2013]

Imagine the Warriors win. They're all gathered, the Commish comes out, gives them a trophy, there's a huge celebration, everyone's happy, and then they announce, "this year's finals MVP goes to...Lebron James!" I mean, let's get real about this. Is this something that people actually believe is a thing that is going to happen? Seriously? The last time it happened it was a consolation prize since they figured West was NEVER going to win. Lebron has already won twice. There is absolutely no way that this could be justified.
Yeah, I don't get why people think it will happen

[stanlove1111]

Cavs would be favored against warriors without curry IMO


That's why I phrased it as an example. But the fact that you had to say IMO says it all. Nobody is saying the Cavs would have a chance IMO without Lebron.

[Bernkastel]

MVP awards don't matter. Even if LeBron didn't win this year, he's still the best player.

[Dresta]

He's shooting sub 40% for the series and just 30% in 4th quarter and OT, with that number shrinking down to just barely above 20% in the last 3 minutes of the 4th + OT....

And this while being left in single coverage every single time down the floor...

And they wanna make him the FMVP in a losing effort? :biggums:
Tis ****ing mindblowing.

[Sarcastic]

ESPN going HAM today trying to sell "Lebron should get MVP".

[kshutts1]

No one thinks Lebron WILL win the FMVP. But he should.

And for those citing his shooting numbers... if his FG% is so detrimental to his team, why are the games close? I'll tell you why... because Lebron is, literally, single-handedly controlling the pace of the game, and controlling it in favor of Cleveland.

When Lebron sits, if he sits, it's not only that Cleveland can't score, but it's also that the Cleveland players don't have the ability or talent or BBIQ necessary to keep the pace slow. GSW slowly, but surely, start to run, start to push the pace.

Even if Warriors only score two buckets while Lebron is sitting, now they're more comfortable. They're playing their way. And that momentum continues for a few possessions once Lebron re-enters.. until he slows it again.

Just watch the games, guys. Lebron is controlling the game right now better than any non-official has for as long as I've been watching basketball.

[nba_55]

He's shooting sub 40% for the series and just 30% in 4th quarter and OT, with that number shrinking down to just barely above 20% in the last 3 minutes of the 4th + OT....

And this while being left in single coverage every single time down the floor...

And they wanna make him the FMVP in a losing effort? :biggums:

He is the most valuable player for his team by far. That makes his FMVP. You want to give it to 5.8 apg and 5 TOV per game curry? LOL

[HOoopCityJones]

He's shooting sub 40% for the series and just 30% in 4th quarter and OT, with that number shrinking down to just barely above 20% in the last 3 minutes of the 4th + OT....

And this while being left in single coverage every single time down the floor...

And they wanna make him the FMVP in a losing effort? :biggums:

Kobe would get ****ing wrecked for this, wouldn't matter who was on his Team.


And they certainly wouldn't be discussing giving him Finals MVP chucking away in a losing effort.

This is how I know the hype is real.

[nba_55]

Imagine the Warriors win. They're all gathered, the Commish comes out, gives them a trophy, there's a huge celebration, everyone's happy, and then they announce, "this year's finals MVP goes to...Lebron James!" I mean, let's get real about this. Is this something that people actually believe is a thing that is going to happen? Seriously? The last time it happened it was a consolation prize since they figured West was NEVER going to win. Lebron has already won twice. There is absolutely no way that this could be justified.

Just shows what's wrong with the awards these days. ''Let's not give the award to the deserving guy because it would ruin the atmosphere'' :facepalm

[nba_55]

Kobe would get ****ing wrecked for this, wouldn't matter who was on his Team.


And they certainly wouldn't be discussing giving him Finals MVP chucking away in a losing effort.

This is how I know the hype is real.

5.8 apg and 5.0 turnover per game is not MVP.

[branslowski]

Just shows what's wrong with the awards these days. ''Let's not give the award to the deserving guy because it would ruin the atmosphere'' :facepalm

So you'd give it to the loser who let his team lose 3 times in a row shooting 30% in 4th quarters?:coleman:

[nba_55]

So you'd give it to the loser who let his team lose 3 times in a row shooting 30% in 4th quarters?:coleman:

I'd give it to the guy who won made his team win atleast 2 more games than expected because how great he was.

[HOoopCityJones]

So you'd give it to the loser who let his team lose 3 times in a row shooting 30% in 4th quarters?:coleman:

The irony of this is insane, all these same people saying he deserves the MVP were the same people talking shit on Kobe shooting a similar percentage on a worse Team. ISH exposed:applause:

[kshutts1]

Kobe would get ****ing wrecked for this, wouldn't matter who was on his Team.


And they certainly wouldn't be discussing giving him Finals MVP chucking away in a losing effort.

This is how I know the hype is real.
In my opinion, Kobe would get "wrecked" for it because his chucking, when he's done it, did not dictate the pace of the game. He was more likely to take an 18 footer, rather than Lebron's CharlesBarkley-ing people in to the post and taking a much higher efficiency shot, and a shot in which he's closer to the basket, and Tristan is closer to the basket, and offensive rebounds are easier. Not guaranteed. But easier.

Basically.. Kobe's "chucking" didn't dictate the pace, whereas Lebron's play (not his chucking, but his play) has.

[nba_55]

The irony of this is insane, all these same people saying he deserves the MVP were the same people talking shit on Kobe shooting a similar percentage on a worse Team. ISH exposed:applause:

When did Kobe average 37/12/8 in the finals? If he did and not win FMVP, then you have a point. If not, shut up.

[HOoopCityJones]

In my opinion, Kobe would get "wrecked" for it because his chucking, when he's done it, did not dictate the pace of the game. He was more likely to take an 18 footer, rather than Lebron's CharlesBarkley-ing people in to the post and taking a much higher efficiency shot, and a shot in which he's closer to the basket, and Tristan is closer to the basket, and offensive rebounds are easier. Not guaranteed. But easier.

Basically.. Kobe's "chucking" didn't dictate the pace, whereas Lebron's play (not his chucking, but his play) has.

:biggums:

Lebron has shot more 18 footers and beyond than Ive ever seen in a series, how the hell is this any different? because he brings up the ball 9 times out of 10, of course he dictates the pace. This post just sounds like a lot of excuses to me. Nothing he's doing is any different from what Kobe would do shooting wise, only difference is he'll bull doze his way in for a basket every now and then and even those he's been missing.

[branslowski]

I'd give it to the guy who won made his team win atleast 2 more games than expected because how great he was.

Give me a f*cking break "Oh he won 2 games when he shouldn't:cry: :cry: "

He could of won more games if the hit a game-winning LAYUP in game 1 or if he didn't vanish in game 5 at the 4:24 second mark on when he missed a bunny that would have made the score 86-86..Takin 33 shots avg 36pts:kobe:

[HOoopCityJones]

When did Kobe average 37/12/8 in the finals? If he did and not win FMVP, then you have a point. If not, shut up.

So basically now that it's Lebron shooting horrific percentages , it doesn't matter? The flip flopping is real right now for Lebron stans. :roll:

[nba_55]

Give me a f*cking break "Oh he won 2 games when he shouldn't:cry: :cry: "

He could of won more games if the hit a game-winning LAYUP in game 1 or if he didn't vanish in game 5 at the 4:24 second mark on when he missed a bunny that would have made the score 86-86..Takin 33 shots avg 36pts:kobe:

Yeah, and cavs would go undefeated if they hit 100% of their shots and if they made their opponents miss 100% of their shots. Oh god, we are geniuses.:applause:

[nba_55]

So basically now that it's Lebron shooting horrific percentages , it doesn't matter? The flip flopping is real right now for Lebron stans. :roll:

Yeah, that's what I thought... shut up. :lol

[branslowski]

Yeah, and cavs would go undefeated if they hit 100% of their shots and if they made their opponents miss 100% of their shots. Oh god, we are geniuses.:applause:

Nice try but my points are valid.

[HOoopCityJones]

Yeah, that's what I thought... shut up. :lol

You thought what? That you're a hypocrite? I know.


Lebrick stans stay back peddling. :applause:

[nba_55]

You thought what? That you're a hypocrite? I know.


Lebrick stans stay back peddling. :applause:

Yeah, shut up. :lol

[nba_55]

Nice try but my points are valid.

They were, but not after my reply. Sorry for owning you, but i had to do it. :D

It was nice discussing with you.

[HOoopCityJones]

Yeah, shut up. :lol

At least you admit it. :cheers:

[The Iron Fist]

In my opinion, Kobe would get "wrecked" for it because his chucking, when he's done it, did not dictate the pace of the game. He was more likely to take an 18 footer, rather than Lebron's CharlesBarkley-ing people in to the post and taking a much higher efficiency shot, and a shot in which he's closer to the basket, and Tristan is closer to the basket, and offensive rebounds are easier. Not guaranteed. But easier.

Basically.. Kobe's "chucking" didn't dictate the pace, whereas Lebron's play (not his chucking, but his play) has.:biggums:
When you reference Kobes "chucking", you do realize lbron shoots more times per game, right?

[Funktion]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13090247

[kshutts1]

:biggums:
When you reference Kobes "chucking", you do realize lbron shoots more times per game, right?
Did you read the rest of it?

[The Iron Fist]

Did you read the rest of it?
Yea, and its ****ing stupid. Kobes teams actually won.

[kshutts1]

Yea, and its ****ing stupid. Kobes teams actually won.
I didn't realize Kobe has never lost a game in his life. I apologize. I was misinformed.

[sd3035]

Right now Lebald is the Finals MVP for the Warriors

shooting below 40% while chucking more than 30 shots per game :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Solefade]

ESPN going HAM today trying to sell "Lebron should get MVP".


this isn't ESPN..the basketball world is saying it

[bluechox2]

this isn't ESPN..the basketball world is saying it
just cause all the lebron cawklovers says it all at once doesnt make it that the world says it