Is the FMVP anything more than a glorified Player of the Week Award now?

[rule1223]

It might be a little harder since there could be possibly 7 games but the fact that Iggy won it over Curry destroys what the FMVP should stand for.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Iggy is a shit winner but Kawhi deserved it 100 percent. When healthy he is still a top 5 impact player

[r15mohd]

It might be a little harder since there could be possibly 7 games but the fact that Iggy won it over Curry destroys what the FMVP should stand for.


curry was not as impressive...his overall stats say otherwise but he was not anything MVP caliber from what we saw in the season. the right guy got the FMVP, as he was the game changer and a huge reason the Warriors are champs today

congrats to Iggy :applause:

[r15mohd]

Iggy is a shit winner but Kawhi deserved it 100 percent. When healthy he is still a top 5 impact player


Lebron
AD
KD
Westbrook
PG
Harden

all have more impact, and I'm sure there's 1-2 more I'm forgetting before we bring Kawhi into this :confusedshrug:

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Lebron
AD
KD
Westbrook
PG
Harden

all have more impact, and I'm sure there's 1-2 more I'm forgetting before we bring Kawhi into this :confusedshrug:
Blake
CP3
Maybe Aldridge?
Then again I might be wrong,
Kawhi had some nasty AF advanced statistic measures on his side... and he's a DPOY too..

[kshutts1]

It might be a little harder since there could be possibly 7 games but the fact that Iggy won it over Curry destroys what the FMVP should stand for.
What, exactly SHOULD it stand for, if not the most valuable player of the Finals?

[SpecialQue]

But it matters when Lebron gets it, right?

[r15mohd]

Blake
CP3
Maybe Aldridge?
Then again I might be wrong,
Kawhi had some nasty AF advanced statistic measures on his side... and he's a DPOY too..


i personally didn't think DPOY should of went to Kawhi because he missed so many games...should of went to Draymond, but is what it is

CP3 is one, yes...LMA i'm iffy on.

[Rake2204]

What, exactly SHOULD it stand for, if not the most valuable player of the Finals?This is actually a good question, for which I may not have an answer. It seems it used to stand as more of a general "Playoff MVP" where the guy who was likely most responsible for helping his team reach the Finals (and subsequently win) would earn the award, almost by default.

Recently, it seems voters have gotten more literal from the "Finals" standpoint of the award. Makes sense.

That said, if they all were really literal about the "Most Valuable Player" aspect as well, I think LeBron James would have been a shoe-in. Had he not existed on that squad, there would have been close to zero remaining. With him there, they stole two, almost three games, from a 67-win team.

[kshutts1]

Lebron
AD
KD
Westbrook
PG
Harden

all have more impact, and I'm sure there's 1-2 more I'm forgetting before we bring Kawhi into this :confusedshrug:
Forgot Curry, for one.

[rule1223]

What, exactly SHOULD it stand for, if not the most valuable player of the Finals?
That's exactly what iggy winning shows it does not represent. Curry had more impact and better stats than iggy and everyone watching knew he was the best player on the warriors including casuals. However the fact that he played below expectations while iggy exceeded expectations lost him the award, as it is in the case of the player of the week award which lebron or durant would win every single week if this were not the case

[MEB2kDeez]

What, exactly SHOULD it stand for, if not the most valuable player of the Finals?
This, anything other than the Finals' performance doesn't mattters

[Derka]

Finals MVP.

Finals.

That's pretty much exactly what it is and always has been.

[kshutts1]

I think the league should adopt a "Playoff MVP", rather than a "Finals MVP" but, then again, if we're talking about changes I'd "like" to see, we'd be here all day.

[kshutts1]

That's exactly what iggy winning shows it does not represent. Curry had more impact and better stats than iggy and everyone watching knew he was the best player on the warriors including casuals. However the fact that he played below expectations while iggy exceeded expectations lost him the award, as it is in the case of the player of the week award which lebron or durant would win every single week if this were not the case
I respectfully disagree.

Curry had a larger impact on the team's offense, and Iggy had a much larger impact on the team's D.

That said, I'm kind of reaching here(in that I don't know the stats and this could backfire) , but I assume that if we looked at "who's guarding Lebron" data from games 1-3, we'd see more Barnes and Green and less Iggy, relative to the rest of the series.

It's no coincidence that Cleveland was up 2-1 with Lebron being primarily guarded by players other than Iggy. If GSW continued to single-cover Lebron with anyone BUT Iggy, I imagine they may have lost.

The switch made in game 4 was masterful, and really opened the door for the better team to beat the far better individual.

[STATUTORY]

players lebron guarded that week, don't blame the voters cause lebron gets shut down by opposing forwards and allow them to score career highs

[r15mohd]

Forgot Curry, for one.

Kawhi definitely has more impact than Curry IMO. anyhow we saw a GSW vs Spurs matchup this playoffs, Curry would be as small as his daughter Riley with Kawhi locking him down.

[K Xerxes]

I think the league should adopt a "Playoff MVP", rather than a "Finals MVP" but, then again, if we're talking about changes I'd "like" to see, we'd be here all day.

Me too. Who do you think would this year's Playoff MVP? Curry or Bron?

[Harison]

FMVP isnt even "a glorified Player of the Week Award", because both Lebron and Curry were better. FMVP is pretty much media driven "best story" reward. Either its for underdog, or Cinderella, or "rewarding for loyalty", or w/e.

Sad fact remains, MVP has nothing to do with the Most Valuable Player.

[r15mohd]

players lebron guarded that week, don't blame the voters cause lebron gets shut down by opposing forwards and allow them to score career highs

Lebron didn't guard Iggy all that much, did he? many of Iggy's scoring plays had other Cavs contesting him from what I rmbr, not to mention "shut down" and still avg close to 40pts? :confusedshrug:

he gave Lebron more of a challenge than any other GSW and allows the GSW to play high-temp ball, but in no-way did Iggy shut Lebron down :no:

[SugarHill]

Lebron didn't guard Iggy all that much, did he? many of Iggy's scoring plays had other Cavs contesting him from what I rmbr, not to mention "shut down" and still avg close to 40pts? :confusedshrug:

he gave Lebron more of a challenge than any other GSW and allows the GSW to play high-temp ball, but in no-way did Iggy shut Lebron down :no:

He was stripping LeBron at will it seemed. And no one really guarded Iggy. That man shot open shots than anyone in Finals history. It was disgusting to watch.

[rule1223]

I respectfully disagree.

Curry had a larger impact on the team's offense, and Iggy had a much larger impact on the team's D.

That said, I'm kind of reaching here(in that I don't know the stats and this could backfire) , but I assume that if we looked at "who's guarding Lebron" data from games 1-3, we'd see more Barnes and Green and less Iggy, relative to the rest of the series.

It's no coincidence that Cleveland was up 2-1 with Lebron being primarily guarded by players other than Iggy. If GSW continued to single-cover Lebron with anyone BUT Iggy, I imagine they may have lost.

The switch made in game 4 was masterful, and really opened the door for the better team to beat the far better individual.
Iggy definitely had a huge role in winning and arguably the biggest, but imo if gsw didnt have curry the cavs would have a better chance than if gsw didnt have iggy.

[kshutts1]

Me too. Who do you think would this year's Playoff MVP? Curry or Bron?
Difficult to say. Lebron is the "easy" answer, but the "road to the finals" was pretty easy for Lebron, at least relative to Curry.

That said, I think Lebron deserved the Finals MVP even with the loss, so factoring in his far superior showing in the finals, I'd give the nod to Lebron for overall playoff MVP.

[kshutts1]

Iggy definitely had a huge role in winning and arguably the biggest, but imo if gsw didnt have curry the cavs would have a better chance than if gsw didnt have iggy.
Prior to the series, everyone in America, and the world, would agree with you. But with hindsight? I'm not entirely sure.

If Iggy is out, who is guarding Lebron? Who is the fifth man in the Warriors' rotation?

I imagine Green or Barnes would guard Lebron... Cleveland was up 2-1 with that being the case, with Curry playing.

5th man on the court would likely be Bogut or Ezeli, which would help negate Cleveland's dramatic dominance on the boards.

But Iggy was the Warriors' second best "assister", or at least a near-tie with Livingston. So not only losing the primary defender, but losing the second best shot creator on the team.

[Akrazotile]

I think the league should adopt a "Playoff MVP", rather than a "Finals MVP" but, then again, if we're talking about changes I'd "like" to see, we'd be here all day.


Ive felt the exact same way for quite a while now

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. There's a fine line between Curry not winning Finals MVP while averaging 26ppg and JR Smith waving Lebron off all 4th quarter because he seemingly quit. :lol

Let's talk about it.

And while Curry should've gotten the MVP, I do feel this is the first time in history where the team should've collectively received it.

Additionally, how convenient that Warrior Fans believing that the Finals MVP should be a playoffs MVP after holding it against Kobe for so long. Coincidence, I'm sure.

[bballnoob1192]

FMVP isnt even "a glorified Player of the Week Award", because both Lebron and Curry were better. FMVP is pretty much media driven "best story" reward. Either its for underdog, or Cinderella, or "rewarding for loyalty", or w/e.

Sad fact remains, MVP has nothing to do with the Most Valuable Player.
they need to take away any form of mvp voting from the goddamn media. The media do not know who players and coaches and even GMs think are the best. Please get rid of media mvps

[jzek]

Media's voting. 99% of media voters have never coached or played a single minute of NBA ball. What else do you expect?

[Droid101]

Uh... it always has been. The award should always have been Playoff MVP from the start.

[ImKobe]

Finals MVP is just an award the best player on the winning team gets after the series is over. It's just a Finals series award. The award will have less meaning as time goes on and more role players win it. It's not Playoffs MVP. It's not season MVP.

[r15mohd]

they need to take away any form of mvp voting from the goddamn media. The media do not know who players and coaches and even GMs think are the best. Please get rid of media mvps

Broussard did a round of NBA GM's take on FMVP prior to game 6 and it was in favor of Lebron winning the FMVP heavily over any GSW player. Iggy was a slight mention, and even Curry bettering Iggy.

Lebron remained status quo in game 6 to his earlier games, and Iggy had a better game than Curry did.

if we went by the NBA GM's, Lebron would be the FMVP right now

[kennethgriffin]

so lebron ruined the regular season mvp prestige. and now he's also ruined the FMVP prestige


we are all witness


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[bballnoob1192]

Broussard did a round of NBA GM's take on FMVP prior to game 6 and it was in favor of Lebron winning the FMVP heavily over any GSW player. Iggy was a slight mention, and even Curry bettering Iggy.

Lebron remained status quo in game 6 to his earlier games, and Iggy had a better game than Curry did.

if we went by the NBA GM's, Lebron would be the FMVP right now
i said a comdination of coaches players and gms............not jsut gms. if you get a combination of all of the three groups u get a complete gauge of the views of players. players view other players value different than coaches do, and coaches view it differently than GM.

It's like a check and balance system. I might even be open to have 1-3 media votes also. Im just calling for a more holistic approach to voting for the mvp instead of just having one point of view of the league to vote for two of the most prestigious awards.

[NumberSix]

I personally think FMVP is an overrated award. It really doesn't matter at all IMO. However, I like pretending it matters to troll people who are mad that their guy didn't win it.

[Magic 32]

When Iguodala was in, LeBron shot 38% and the Cavs were -55. When he sat, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were +30