I dont get how Iggy can win FMVP while Pau didnt get one against the C's

[kurple]

after the 6/24 game

thought it was best player on the winning team

and a perimiter player shooting 35 ft % and holds his man to a tripple double should not win FMVP

[FPJ]

1. Pau had a much bigger impact in that series (than Iggy in this one).

2. Curry isn't Kobe.

3. Iggy stopped Lebron and got rewarded.

[kurple]

1) Doesnt that prove my point?

2) Agreed, Curry is better

[Genaro]

Pau had 1 game better than Kobe, you just think Pau should have been the MVP because you're a Kobe hater.
Iggy was great at defense and his impact goes beyond the numbers. Curry getting would be fine as well but the voters went for the eye test, not the stats.

[Magic 32]

Because Pau did most of his damage in LA in the 4th qtr of blowout wins (while Kobe was icing his knee's).

And because he did nothing on the road.

And because he shot 6/16 in game 7

[kurple]

Pau had 1 game better than Kobe, you just think Pau should have been the MVP because you're a Kobe hater.
Iggy was great at defense and his impact goes beyond the numbers. Curry getting would be fine as well but the voters went for the eye test, not the stats.
lol eye test. everyone views things differently

iggy was a matchup nightmare, but not a FMVP

Kerr IMO should have won it over Iggy for having the guts to bench Bogut and play Iggy after his awful first 94 games of the season

[HOoopCityJones]

7 Games were played.

You're clutching onto one where Pau played better than Kobe, Iggy has been changing this series for GSW since game 1 while Steph was struggling.

[kurple]

And because he shot 6/16 in game 7
how can you use this as an aguement when Kobe shot 6/24 in the same game?

[kurple]

7 Games were played.

You're clutching onto one where Pau played better than Kobe, Iggy has been changing this series for GSW since game 1 while Steph was struggling. Hats of to Iggy, i got nothing but respect and love for his kind of player, but he wasnt FMVP worthy

Kwahi last year was

[imdaman99]

Read me Pau's stats when they went to Boston. He was a nonfactor in every road game that Finals. Sorry, Finals MVP isn't about if you can be good in half the games.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

+/- in the finals

Steph +1
Iggy +21

Pau +14
Kobe+22

[Magic 32]

how can you use this as an aguement when Kobe shot 6/24 in the same game?

Because that your argument.

He deserved the MVP........because he shot 37.5% instead of 25%

Yes, here really distinguished himself there.

[tpols]

Because Iggy was the emotional on court leader.. stepped up and created momentum when the going was tough.

Pau dissappeared on the road and in general is very far from on court leader/momentum generator. It's like he can sleepwalk 18/10 averages in the flow but can't dominate, and string together multiple plays to turn tides like Iggy did many times.

[kennethgriffin]

currys points came in garbage time mostly all series

kobes points came in the heart of games and kobe was the kawhi/iggy of game 7 holding pierce and allen to 8 for 30 while he grabbed 15 boards

[Ne 1]

Probably because Kobe was easily the best player through 6 games by thousands of miles. And game 7 was a defensive slugfest, nobody on either team had a particularly good shooting night for their positions.

[konex]

Iggy over Steph is proposterous but don't be ridiculous. Pau had 2 good games in that series where the Lakers actually won.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Probably because Kobe was easily the best player through 6 games by thousands of miles. And game 7 was a defensive slugfest, nobody on either team had a particularly good shooting night for their positions.
Kobe was the best defensive rebounder in game 7 as well

[imnew09]

Thread always backfire on dumb a$$ poster

[branslowski]

lol eye test. everyone views things differently

iggy was a matchup nightmare, but not a FMVP

Kerr IMO should have won it over Iggy for having the guts to bench Bogut and play Iggy after his awful first 94 games of the season

I didn't even know you started trollin....Kobe wass easily finals MVP. Better all-Round numbers. Better player more heart and grit.

[iamgine]

after the 6/24 game

thought it was best player on the winning team

and a perimiter player shooting 35 ft % and holds his man to a tripple double should not win FMVP
There can be more than one deserving player. Curry, Iggy and Lebron all had a case. So did both Pau and Kobe. Only one spot available.

There you go.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Because Iggy was the emotional on court leader.. stepped up and created momentum when the going was tough.

Pau dissappeared on the road and in general is very far from on court leader/momentum generator. It's like he can sleepwalk 18/10 averages in the flow but can't dominate, and string together multiple plays to turn tides like Iggy did many times.

I'm sorry, did you even watch Pau as a Laker?

[plowking]

Because Pau did most of his damage in LA in the 4th qtr of blowout wins (while Kobe was icing his knee's).

And because he did nothing on the road.

And because he shot 6/16 in game 7

Game 1 Kobe scores 4 points in the last two minutes, including a 3 with three seconds left, while Lakers are up 15, giving him a 30-23 scoring edge over Pau.

Game 6, Kobe scores 6 points in the last 6 minutes of the game with the Lakers up 20-25 throughout that time. Pau none. Kobe finishes with 26-17.

Game 7, Pau and the rest of the cast lead the fightback, and Pau has 9 points in the last quarter. Clearly outplays Kobe.

Why make shit up?

[konex]

This thread is pretty funny considering Kobe was being mentioned as the MVP win-or-lose after gm 6 just like LeBron this year...

[ImKobe]

it was a 7 game series, not one game series. Kobe had a bad night shooting but averaged 33 ppg on 42% shooting while Pau averaged 15 points on 44% shooting on the road

Pau shot terribly in the series, shooting 42% in the last 5 games to average 16 and 12 while Kobe averaged 30 & 9

[Wally450]

The panel picking Finals MVP this year don't have brains. JVG gave LeBron Finals MVP before Game 6.

Also, I agree that Pau should've gotten 2010 Finals MVP. Better TS%, DRtg, ORtg and the same GmSc.

KG should've gotten Finals MVP in 2008 also.

[HOoopCityJones]

Game 1 Kobe scores 4 points in the last two minutes, including a 3 with three seconds left, while Lakers are up 15, giving him a 30-23 scoring edge over Pau.

Game 6, Kobe scores 6 points in the last 6 minutes of the game with the Lakers up 20-25 throughout that time. Pau none. Kobe finishes with 26-17.

Game 7, Pau and the rest of the cast lead the fightback, and Pau has 9 points in the last quarter. Clearly outplays Kobe.

Why make shit up?


What does any of this have to do with the fact he played better than him one game vs the 6 games Kobe out performed him? :biggums:

[Ne 1]

"Despite Kobe struggling shooting the ball, he was instrumental on the glass in a low-scoring game where every possession was key and held Ray to 3 for 14 shooting" - Doc Rivers

"I thought in Game 7 [of the 2010 NBA Finals], what gets lost on people, Boston was badly out rebounded, and he [Kobe Bryant] didn't have a particularly good shooting night, but he had a great rebounding night and that probably was the difference of the game." - Tom Thibodeau

Oh, and let's not forget Kobe's phenomenal Game 5 performance. If any of the other Lakers showed up that game, they wouldn't have even needed a Game 7. He was clearly the best player of that series, in fact though 6 games he averaged 30/6/5/2/ 56 TS%. people in the media were saying he should be awarded FMVP even if the Celtics won.

That Lakers/Celtics series was a defensive battle. Nobody from the Lakers or Celtics had a particularly good shooing night and Game 7 was brutally defensive:
Lakers shot 33% FG
Celts shot 40% FG
NO LAKER shot 50% other than Fisher
Entire Laker bench was 3 for 14

That game came down to rebounding and FTs. Kobe grabed what, 15 boards as a guard? That is unheard of. He also shot 14 FTs (missed 3). He also played great D. It was a brutal game and Kobe did what was needed to win. He hit 7/8 free throws in the 4th quarter, grabbed 15 boards, and hit a huge jumper with like 2 minutes left to put the Lakers up 6 and the Celtics couldn't get back in the game after he hit that shot. Bryant detractors just point out he he had a mediocre shooting night but nobody really had a good shooting game. I mostly credit good defense on both sides.

[kurple]

ISH is so ****ing stupid. I aint saying Kobe shouldnt have been FMVP..

I'm saying IGGY shouldnt have been FMVP

I thought Pau did more that didnt show in the stat sheet in that series (as did Iggy), but Kobe was the best player on the winning team. the same as Steph Curry. Therefor the comparison



why are Lakers fans so insecure?

[kurple]

This isnt a thread about ****ing Kobe. Its about how the media have developed a wierd short term memory, that they didnt have in 2009

[Magic 32]

Game 1 Kobe scores 4 points in the last two minutes, including a 3 with three seconds left, while Lakers are up 15, giving him a 30-23 scoring edge over Pau.

Game 6, Kobe scores 6 points in the last 6 minutes of the game with the Lakers up 20-25 throughout that time. Pau none. Kobe finishes with 26-17.


Game 1 - Before the Lakers got a 20 point lead at the end of the 3rd:

Pau : 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 6-11 fg%

Kobe: 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 9-16 fg%


Game 1 - The rest of the game

Pau : 5 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 2-3 fg%

Kobe: 4 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1-6 fg%


So who was the MVP of that game?

[kurple]

its crazy that i mention kobe one time, and everyone freaks out.

this thread wouldnt have made it til page2 if it wasnt for that tho

[kurple]

Game 1 - Before the Lakers got a 20 point lead at the end of the 3rd:

Pau : 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 6-11 fg%

Kobe: 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 9-16 fg%


Game 1 - The rest of the game

Pau : 5 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 2-3 fg%

Kobe: 4 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1-6 fg%


So who won that game?
and it has begun. **** you ISH

[Ne 1]

What people like to ignore besides his 15 rebounds as a guard in Game 7 is that Kobe also limited Rondo big time that series. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.


Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo was the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well from the field for their positions. Regardless his overall stats are by far the best.

Haters also forgot Kobe's brilliance through 6 games--30/6/5/2/56% TS.

Not to mention how clutch he was in that Game 7 in the 4th quarter: 10 pts/61% TS/4 Reb/2 Ast. Had a hand in nearly every single point by the Lakers in the last 7-8 minutes.

Kobe for entire series: 29/8/4/2/1/53%/26+ PER
Kobe through 6 games: 30/6/5/2/56% TS
Kobe in Game 7: 23/15/2/1 excellent defense and came through in the 4th quarter.

Well deserved 2010 Finals MVP and 29/6/6/57% throughout the entire playoffs and after Kobe got his knee drained prior to game 6 vs OKC, he was back to his elite level averaging 31.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 5.7 apg on 47.4 FG%, 52.2 eFG% and 58.5 TS% over his final 18 playoff games to win the title.

[AirTupac]

OP looking dumb as f*ck as usual. Your momma won FMVP for last night boy except the F doesn't stand for finals

[STATUTORY]

I get the sense OP doesn't get a lot of things

[kurple]

I get the sense OP doesn't get a lot of things
i dont get the D at least.. unlike someone

[kurple]

Your momma won FMVP for last night boy except the F doesn't stand for finals
:facepalm

where is wilder valderrama when you need him

[NBASTATMAN]

PAU didn't get it cuz when its close they will never award THE MVP to a EUROPEAN over an American.. NEVER...


PAU was always clutch though.. He always played his best in the most PIVOTAL games...

[stevieming]

totally, I always thought Pau was that finals MVP not Kobe, but then Kobe is media's darling....

[daily]

OPs a Denver fan still bitter Iggy left them standing at the alter then not only won the NBA championship but also the the Finals MVP :lol

[kurple]

Iggy made the right desicion, how can you blame someone for that?

Melo on the other hand. still salty

[Rooster]

PAU didn't get it cuz when its close they will never award THE MVP to a EUROPEAN over an American.. NEVER...


PAU was always clutch though.. He always played his best in the most PIVOTAL games...

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Pau always give the ball like a hot potato when the game was on the line even in a regular season.

[Harison]

3. Iggy stopped Lebron and got rewarded.
Series just ended, and myths are already flourishing :facepalm

Iggy "stopped" Lebron to All-time great performance: 36/13/9.

All he did was solid effort to make Lebron work for his points, nothing more. Even efficiency wise, 47.7 TS% is better than 46 TS% Bulls held him to, AND stats were just 26/11/9. Bulls actually slowed him down, what Iggy did? He did solid work (at best), but havent stopped, or even slow down Lebron.

[Derka]

What people like to ignore besides his 15 rebounds as a guard in Game 7 is that Kobe also limited Rondo big time that series. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.

Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo was the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

I might have to disagree with that. Phil Jackson made Rondo into what we all know Rondo to be: The Little Engine That Can't Make a Jumper. His game plan was for Kobe to essentially sag off Rondo and dare him to shoot, all the while taking away the high pick and roll that got KG a ton of open 18-20' jumpers. Another defender in the painted area also made life for Ray "I Need This Space Open to Run Ariza/Fisher Off of Picks All Game" Allen much harder.

Kobe defended Rondo by really not doing much of anything.

[Magic 32]

Iggy "stopped" Lebron to All-time great performance: 36/13/9.


When Iguodala was in, LeBron shot 38% and the Cavs were -55. When he sat, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were +30 - ESPN

[HOoopCityJones]

I might have to disagree with that. Phil Jackson made Rondo into what we all know Rondo to be: The Little Engine That Can't Make a Jumper. His game plan was for Kobe to essentially sag off Rondo and dare him to shoot, all the while taking away the high pick and roll that got KG a ton of open 18-20' jumpers. Another defender in the painted area also made life for Ray "I Need This Space Open to Run Ariza/Fisher Off of Picks All Game" Allen much harder.

Kobe defended Rondo by really not doing much of anything.

Yea, because Phil was out there checking Rondo and Ray Allen

[Harison]

When Iguodala was in, LeBron shot 38% and the Cavs were -55. When he sat, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were +30 - ESPN
Out of context little stat which doesnt mean much unless you know the rest of the context. Iggy did a solid job, but neither stopped (how do people even come up with such BS?) nor even slowed down Lebron.

If you want to know how one players defensive dominance vs Lebron's team look like:

"The Heat shot 38% with KG on the floor, 85% with KG on the bench....yes you read that right, 85%."

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308314

[Crown&Coke]

I can see how Steph could get the FMVP. He practically won game 5 with his explosion in the 4th when the game was tied. Huge game that swung the series. But he also disappeared for a large majority of the first 2/3 games until late in the games

But Dre balled out every game. Every single game. Even in that game 2 he had something like 9 points, he still played great D and was a playmaker out there that the team sorely needed. And him and Klay were the only guys playing with some heart in that game 3.

Oh, and Andre in the starting line up, Dubs went undefeated.

Curry won't get the total credit for his plays where he took on the trap, passed to the open guy, who then passed to the next open guy and got the assist.

And the Kobe thing, it was a 7 game series. The team that won the rebound battle won the game each of the 7 games. You can harp on the 6/24 but those boards helped win the series

[DMV2]

Iggy as a starter: Bran 30 PPG on 38% shooting.

As far as the Kobe-Gasol Finals go....Pau didn't show up in the Boston games. He got his stats in the Staples Center.