Every year LeBron loses, "he has no help"

[branslowski]

It's starting to become pathetic really. Dude jumps from super team to super team only to cry at the end when sh!t doesn't go well. I mean sooner or later Bron has to look in the mirror and realize that maybe his ball hogging stat padding ways hurts the TEAM and only benefits himself...:facepalm

LeBron plays for personal stats first and hopes to win secondly, thats the clear truth. He only passes to get assist, not make things easier for his teammates like Curry did...Curry got doubled n trapped damn near every possesion, yet he passed it to the open man (mostly Green) who drives easily and then kicked it out to another wideopen player all taking place due to Curry getting doubled. Curry got Dreymond Green those 10ast lastnight...We all know Bron would go crazy if someone on his team god forbid led in assist. Capitol stat whore James tbh.

Just saying the "no help" sh!t is past due and a pathetic excuse.

http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg

[Derka]

Had he won, we'd see his haters making "Cavs are all-time GOAT/most stacked team ever" threads. Not dissimilar in approach from this one.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Pointless thread. He literally had no one after Kyrie got hurt this year. He absolutely had close to no help in 2007 along with only being 22 years old. Those are 2 NBA finals I think it's excusable that he lost. To me he's really 1-3 because of those 2 finals I ignore the 2013 final in which Ray Allen's magical three single handedly saved him from 6 final losses.

[HOoopCityJones]

Had he won, we'd see his haters making "Cavs are all-time GOAT/most stacked team ever" threads. Not dissimilar in approach from this one.

No possible way anyone could've pushed such a narrative with Love and Kyrie out, lol.

OP makes a good point though, the excuses get eye rolling after awhile.

[branslowski]

Had he won, we'd see his haters making "Cavs are all-time GOAT/most stacked team ever" threads. Not dissimilar in approach from this one.

Doubt it because I didn't call the Heat (Bron's most recent title) GOAT. They had talent like these Warriors but wasn't Lakers and Celtics of the 80's stacked.

Stay makin excuses Bron stans

[Bernkastel]

They were right once Kyrie got injured in Game 01. 2007 too.

2011 was a straight choke, of ourse.

[branslowski]

Pointless thread. He literally had no one after Kyrie got hurt this year. He absolutely had close to no help in 2007 along with only being 22 years old. Those are 2 NBA finals I think it's excusable that he lost. To me he's really 1-3 because of those 2 finals I ignore the 2013 final in which Ray Allen's magical three single handedly saved him from 6 final losses.

So when he sh!t on the Pistons in 07' during that game 5 and dropped 48pts including final 25pts, it's all good to talk about his rightful greatness and give him all the props when he does great, but the minute he gets swept in the Finals he's "too young"?:coleman:

http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Doubt it because I didn't call the Heat (Bron's most recent title) GOAT. They had talent like these Warriors but wasn't Lakers and Celtics of the 80's stacked.

Stay makin excuses Bron stans

2013 Heat were scary good during the regular season.

[Patrick Chewing]

He needs more help.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrcJJwVAAAkp9W.jpg

[NBAplayoffs2001]

He needs more help.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrcJJwVAAAkp9W.jpg

He really should have came to NYC in 2010-2011. I was so bummed when he said Miami to be perfectly honest. I wanted him on the Knicks.

[riseagainst]

every year Kobe won, he had the most stacked team in the league.
see the pattern?
Lebron >>> Kobe. Deal wit it.

:oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Well, his help in 07, 14, and 15 was historically bad for the most part.... Certainly 07 and 15.

Never heard someone say he didn't have help in 11.

[Warfan]

Well it was true this year and 07. Give him shit for choking hard in 10 and 11 and getting outplayed by kawhi for 3 straight games in the finals last year. It isn't to hard to point to some failures in his career so far.

[MP.Trey]

07 and 15 aren't really arguable. I'd like to see someone argue that thoae are championship worthy casts.

[Done_And_Done]

every year Kobe won, he had the most stacked team in the league.
see the pattern?
Lebron >>> Kobe. Deal wit it.

:oldlol:


2/6

Let that sink in your soul buddy

[TheMarkMadsen]

07 and 15 aren't really arguable. I'd like to see someone argue that thoae are championship worthy casts.


07 cavs lost the last two finals games at home by a combined 4 points..

In the last game where they lost by a single point, Lebron went 10-30 for 24 points.

No help

[branslowski]

every year Kobe won, he had the most stacked team in the league.
see the pattern?
Lebron >>> Kobe. Deal wit it.

:oldlol:

Bynum 6ppg 4reb during finals
Artest 11ppg 41%fg during playoffs
Odom 8ppg 8reb during playoffs
:confusedshrug:

Only Gasol was solid with a solid 18-19ppg 9reb:confusedshrug:

Cavs Mozgov and TT was better than Bynum, Odom, and Artest, FACTUALLY.:confusedshrug:


Dat 2-6 must got you f*cked up.
http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MP.Trey]

07 cavs lost the last two finals games at home by a combined 4 points..

In the last game where they lost by a single point, Lebron went 10-30 for 24 points.

No help
You're right. He should have deferred more to his juggernaut second and third options, Drew Gooden and Daniel Gibson who combined to take 22 shots for 21 points.

[STATUTORY]

I hear Cialis and Viagra has the help that Lebron needs

[sportjames23]

So when he sh!t on the Pistons in 07' during that game 5 and dropped 48pts including final 25pts, it's all good to talk about his rightful greatness and give him all the props when he does great, but the minute he gets swept in the Finals he's "too young"?:coleman:

Exactly.



http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[branslowski]

Bynum 6ppg 4reb during finals
Artest 11ppg 41%fg during playoffs
Odom 8ppg 8reb during playoffs
:confusedshrug:

Only Gasol was solid with a solid 18-19ppg 9reb:confusedshrug:

Cavs Mozgov and TT was better than Bynum, Odom, and Artest, FACTUALLY.:confusedshrug:


Dat 2-6 must got you f*cked up.
http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bron stans takin L's like Bron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're right. He should have deferred more to his juggernaut second and third options, Drew Gooden and Daniel Gibson who combined to take 22 shots for 21 points.

22 shots for 21 points is better than 30 shots for 24 points

Lost by literally a bucket even with Lebron playing like dog shit

[Legends66NBA7]

07 and 15 (without 3 of the 4 best players) are weak teams.

14 was a top heavy team, weakest of the big 3 era Heat. Their role players declined and ran into a team on mission that wanted payback from last year.

For 07, 14, and 15 they were also in a weaker conference and had the best player to compensate for that. Wouldn't have come close to the Finals in the West those years (maybe 14 gets to the conference finals).


I have never seen anyone say that he didn't have help in 11. That was his most talented squad in terms of top heavy talent.

[LBJMVP]

07 and 15 aren't really arguable. I'd like to see someone argue that thoae are championship worthy casts.

told that to one of my friends and his arguement was that he had all year to play with that cast so you can't saw he didn't have enough help. :banghead:

when your second best player in the finals is drew gooden.... you simply did not have enough help.

[MP.Trey]

22 shots for 21 points is better than 30 shots for 24 points

Lost by literally a bucket even with Lebron playing like dog shit
Like I said, you're being totally objective and logical. Drew Gooden and Daniel Gibson would have done better off running the offense and feeding LeBron than the other way around.

[HOoopCityJones]

Imo, only 07 and 15 have a case for the "no help" claims.

[ShawkFactory]

22 shots for 21 points is better than 30 shots for 24 points

Lost by literally a bucket even with Lebron playing like dog shit
Ok so maybe the cabs lose that series in 5. Either way, they weren't winning 4 of 7.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Like I said, you're being totally objective and logical. Drew Gooden and Daniel Gobson would have done better off running the offense and feeding LeBron than the other way around.

You are trying to completely dismiss 07 as if there was nothing Lebron could have done

But his team lost the last 2 games at home by a combined 4 points with lebron playing well below his average level of play..

Cavs clearly could have been tied 2-2 if Lebron just plays average in the last two games.

At that point the series would have been wide open

[AlphaWolf24]

Well, his help in 07, 14, and 15 was historically bad for the most part.... Certainly 07 and 15.

Never heard someone say he didn't have help in 11.


07' team would have never beaten the Spurs that year no matter who LBJ had....and that team wasn't historically bad, they were a good team playing in weak conference....LBJ didn't have a consistent perimeter game and the Spurs took advantage.

the 2014 Heat were historically bad?...really?....JFC....:facepalm ( the most stacked team in 40 years)

2015 Cavs...I actually think they were better without Love...TT IMO is a much better player to have on the court with LBJ.

KI bieng injured hurt the offense a little ( they still lost game 1)...but either way I don't think the Cavs beat this Warriors team

[nba_55]

He had no help this year, accept it and move on.

[nba_55]

07' team would have never beaten the Spurs that year no matter who LBJ had....and that team wasn't historically bad, they were a good team playing in weak conference....LBJ didn't have a consistent perimeter game and the Spurs took advantage.

the 2014 Heat were historically bad?...really?....JFC....:facepalm

2015 Cavs...I actually think they were better without Love...TT IMO is a much better player to have on the court with LBJ.

KI bieng injured hurt the offense a little ( they still lost game 1)...but either way I don't think the Cavs beat this Warriors team

Guess what? Both TT and Love were on the court with Lebron most of the time. Watch the games and then act like a professor.

[branslowski]

Guess what? Both TT and Love were on the court with Lebron most of the time. Watch the games and then act like a professor.

Still calling Lakers stacked after seeing facts or naw?

[MEB2kDeez]

http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg
LOL

[nba_55]

07' team would have never beaten the Spurs that year no matter who LBJ had....and that team wasn't historically bad, they were a good team playing in weak conference....LBJ didn't have a consistent perimeter game and the Spurs took advantage.

the 2014 Heat were historically bad?...really?....JFC....:facepalm ( the most stacked team in 40 years)

2015 Cavs...I actually think they were better without Love...TT IMO is a much better player to have on the court with LBJ.

KI bieng injured hurt the offense a little ( they still lost game 1)...but either way I don't think the Cavs beat this Warriors team

hurt the offense a little? reallly? Losing a potential 25 ppg guy and the only other playmaker hurt a little?

2014 Heat were bad, look at their stats in the finals outside of Lebron, you'll see how bad they were.

[Nastradamus]

It's starting to become pathetic really. Dude jumps from super team to super team only to cry at the end when sh!t doesn't go well. I mean sooner or later Bron has to look in the mirror and realize that maybe his ball hogging stat padding ways hurts the TEAM and only benefits himself...:facepalm

LeBron plays for personal stats first and hopes to win secondly, thats the clear truth. He only passes to get assist, not make things easier for his teammates like Curry did...Curry got doubled n trapped damn near every possesion, yet he passed it to the open man (mostly Green) who drives easily and then kicked it out to another wideopen player all taking place due to Curry getting doubled. Curry got Dreymond Green those 10ast lastnight...We all know Bron would go crazy if someone on his team god forbid led in assist. Capitol stat whore James tbh.

Just saying the "no help" sh!t is past due and a pathetic excuse.

http://i.imgur.com/ZZKU24N.jpg

Actually its just true. Except for 2011

[nba_55]

Still calling Lakers stacked after seeing facts or naw?
:biggums:

What does this have to do with my reply?

[branslowski]

:biggums:

What does this have to do with my reply?

You said Kobe win with stacked team...I then show you all the "stacked" numbers from teammates, also showing Mozgov n TT was better than Bynum, Odom, Artest....FACTS...You missed it?:rolleyes: Thats cool though, it wasn't the topic of thread, and that just another extra L a LeBron stan is taking after lastnight and I don't want any suicides to be on my hands.:cheers:

[AlphaWolf24]

Guess what? Both TT and Love were on the court with Lebron most of the time. Watch the games and then act like a professor.


Damn .... someone caught feelings.


My point was, IMO the team played better without Kevin Love.

( I did not watch many Cavs games this season I admit)

- But It did seem that KLove bogged down LBJ on offense....and on defense he was suspect.

- TT was just the opposite...as he doesn't need to " work into his offensive game"....and on defense TT was probably the main reason why the Cavs got to the Finals in the first place....

- TT had an amazing playoff's ( speaking from the aspect of doing everything / intangibles)

[oarabbus]

[Haberstroh] Without LeBron James on the floor this series. JR Smith 0/9 FG Delly 0/7 FG J. Jones 0/3 FG Shumpert 0/2 FG Total 0/21 FG

[DMAVS41]

07' team would have never beaten the Spurs that year no matter who LBJ had....and that team wasn't historically bad, they were a good team playing in weak conference....LBJ didn't have a consistent perimeter game and the Spurs took advantage.

the 2014 Heat were historically bad?...really?....JFC....:facepalm ( the most stacked team in 40 years)

2015 Cavs...I actually think they were better without Love...TT IMO is a much better player to have on the court with LBJ.

KI bieng injured hurt the offense a little ( they still lost game 1)...but either way I don't think the Cavs beat this Warriors team

I won't even talk about 07 and 15 because they are awful.

The 14 Heat were rated as the 8th worst supporting cast in the last 30 years out of the 60 teams to make the finals.

I'll trust my eyes, the numbers, and a model ranking supporting casts over your biased shit.

God damn man... Get a brain.

[nba_55]

You said Kobe win with stacked team...I then show you all the "stacked" numbers from teammates, also showing Mozgov n TT was better than Bynum, Odom, Artest....FACTS...You missed it?:rolleyes: Thats cool though, it wasn't the topic of thread, and that just another extra L a LeBron stan is taking after lastnight and I don't want any suicides to be on my hands.:cheers:

Bro, you are off-topic, I never talked about Lakers in this thread. You really caught feeling when I said that some other time in another thread that I don't even remember, damn.

[AlphaWolf24]

hurt the offense a little? reallly? Losing a potential 25 ppg guy and the only other playmaker hurt a little?

2014 Heat were bad, look at their stats in the finals outside of Lebron, you'll see how bad they were.


- yes hurt the offense a little....a little because Lebron quit and left to join 2 other 25PPg scorers in Miami and they still struggled offensively at times and still got murked in the Finals by 5'9 Barea ...

- I would argue that the only reason that Miami won titles was because Lebron worked on his perimeter game and became a much better shooter in 11' - 12'....he could have done that and stayed in Cleveland ( coming off back to back 60+ swin season in 09' + 10')...as the Cavs were built to LBJ's strengths....

you don't win 65 games with bad players.

[HOoopCityJones]

Ni99as underrate the fucc outta those 08-10 Cavs Teams. Mo just dropped 50 this past year for crying out loud.

[nba_55]

Damn .... someone caught feelings.


My point was, IMO the team played better without Kevin Love.

( I did not watch many Cavs games this season I admit)

- But It did seem that KLove bogged down LBJ on offense....and on defense he was suspect.

- TT was just the opposite...as he doesn't need to " work into his offensive game"....and on defense TT was probably the main reason why the Cavs got to the Finals in the first place....

- TT had an amazing playoff's ( speaking from the aspect of doing everything / intangibles)

Stop with the assumptions and with your ''seems'', stats and facts show that Cavs were better with Love on the court than without Love on the court. 15-1 against west with Love after trade, one of the best record in the NBA after the trade with love.

And why are you claiming that Cavs were better without Love when you admitted that you didn't watch Cavs a lot. If you watched them, you would clearly see that they were much better with Love. Watch the games and then talk.

[bond10]

You people excusing him for 15 cause of his cast? :roll: He basically chose his players when he came back to the Cavs. Other teams had injuries too.

[nba_55]

- yes hurt the offense a little....a little because Lebron quit and left to join 2 other 25PPg scorers in Miami and they still struggled offensively at times and still got murked in the Finals by 5'9 Barea ...

- I would argue that the only reason that Miami won titles was because Lebron worked on his perimeter game and became a much better shooter in 11' - 12'....he could have done that and stayed in Cleveland ( coming off back to back 60+ swin season in 09' + 10')...as the Cavs were built to LBJ's strengths....

you don't win 65 games with bad players.

What does Miami have to do with this? Lebron and Kyrie complimented each other really well the whole year, their offense was way better with both of them playing.

WTF are you talking about in the 2nd paragraph?

[FLDFSU]

Had he won, we'd see his haters making "Cavs are all-time GOAT/most stacked team ever" threads. Not dissimilar in approach from this one.

Like they said that Miami was the most stacked team of all time? Only to then miss the playoffs in the weakest conference of all time?

Yeah, we have already established that ISH is populated with morons.

[AlphaWolf24]

What does Miami have to do with this? Lebron and Kyrie complimented each other really well the whole year, their offense was way better with both of them playing.

WTF are you talking about in the 2nd paragraph?


- I'm talking about LBJ working twice a day all summer long to become a better perimeter player after the 11' loss in the Finals .....(hard to keep track I know)

- The difference between LBJ's perimeter game in 2012 was obvious, He was a much better perimeter player and even shows vast improvements in the post. ( He talked about his work out routine at the beginning of the season)

- My point was, in the past teams he couldn't make the defense honest or make them pay as much as he did in 2012.....if he had the same skillset in 08' 09' and 10' I think the Cavs get past Orlando and Boston....


because even in Miami ( with a stacked team).....with the same skillset he had in 07' they still lost.... until he ( LBJ) became a better / well rounded offensive player



yer welcome

[FLDFSU]

- yes hurt the offense a little....a little because Lebron quit and left to join 2 other 25PPg scorers in Miami and they still struggled offensively at times and still got murked in the Finals by 5'9 Barea ...

- I would argue that the only reason that Miami won titles was because Lebron worked on his perimeter game and became a much better shooter in 11' - 12'....he could have done that and stayed in Cleveland ( coming off back to back 60+ swin season in 09' + 10')...as the Cavs were built to LBJ's strengths....

you don't win 65 games with bad players.

Can you please explain why that cast, which was materially the same, sans Lebron, just a year later lost 25 straight games at one point?

Shouldn't a decent cast be expected to not set the NBA record for most loses in a row?

[nba_55]

- I'm talking about LBJ working twice a day all summer long to become a better perimeter player after the 11' loss in the Finals .....(hard to keep track I know)

- The difference between LBJ's perimeter game in 2012 was obvious, He was a much better perimeter player and even shows vast improvements in the post. ( He talked about his work out routine at the beginning of the season)

- My point was, in the past teams he couldn't make the defense honest or make them pay as much as he did in 2012.....if he had the same skillset in 08' 09' and 10' I think the Cavs get past Orlando and Boston....


because even in Miami ( with a stacked team).....with the same skillset he had in 07' they still lost.... until he ( LBJ) became a better / well rounded offensive player



yer welcome

You are either trolling or are legit retarted. Why are you writing paragraphs about thing we never discussed? :biggums:

[FLDFSU]

- I'm talking about LBJ working twice a day all summer long to become a better perimeter player after the 11' loss in the Finals .....(hard to keep track I know)

- The difference between LBJ's perimeter game in 2012 was obvious, He was a much better perimeter player and even shows vast improvements in the post. ( He talked about his work out routine at the beginning of the season)

- My point was, in the past teams he couldn't make the defense honest or make them pay as much as he did in 2012.....if he had the same skillset in 08' 09' and 10' I think the Cavs get past Orlando and Boston....


because even in Miami ( with a stacked team).....with the same skillset he had in 07' they still lost.... until he ( LBJ) became a better / well rounded offensive player



yer welcome

So you are claiming that Miami is stacked, but the Heat still needed a better version of 2007 Lebron to win a title?

So the Heat are stacked, but they still need a top 10 player of all time playing at his peak in order to win?

Is that right?

Do you ever stop and think about how you contradict yourself sentence by sentence?

[funnystuff]

2/6

Let that sink in your soul buddy
2/7 is worse, poor Kobe

[funnystuff]

:lol this alphawolf guy literally contradicts himself in every one of his posts

[Ne 1]

2/7 is worse, poor Kobe

Yeah, poor Kobe.

I'm sure when he polishes his 5 rings he thinks about some meaningless media award.


http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/5-kobe-bryant-championships-reasons-why-kobe-bryant-should-retire.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

2/7 is worse, poor Kobe

That's right , you keep deluding yourself sweetie. *slaps your behind*

[Cold soul]

2007 and 2015 Lebron Finals cast are the only years you can make legit excuse for Lebron cast being poor and bad.

[Rooster]

You people excusing him for 15 cause of his cast? :roll: He basically chose his players when he came back to the Cavs. Other teams had injuries too.

This.

Lebron is a great player but his career has more excuses than validation. :oldlol:

[funnystuff]

That's right , you keep deluding yourself sweetie. *slaps your behind*
:pimp:

[bballnoob1192]

2/7 is worse, poor Kobe
im srry 2/6 is real. 2/7 is just some fantasy lebron stans choose to believe. if you wanna bag on kobe not winning FmVP then its 2/5 which is still better than 2/6

[AlphaWolf24]

You are either trolling or are legit retarted. Why are you writing paragraphs about thing we never discussed? :biggums:


WTF?..

you asked my context and dropped it...

get along son.....


(opens pocket)...get in.



next.

[funnystuff]

Yeah, poor Kobe.

I'm sure when he polishes his 5 rings he thinks about some meaningless media award.


http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/5-kobe-bryant-championships-reasons-why-kobe-bryant-should-retire.jpg
Be real, his first 3 are just as valuable as any of Horrys. Its okay to accept what is true.

[AlphaWolf24]

So you are claiming that Miami is stacked, but the Heat still needed a better version of 2007 Lebron to win a title?

So the Heat are stacked, but they still need a top 10 player of all time playing at his peak in order to win?

Is that right?

Do you ever stop and think about how you contradict yourself sentence by sentence?


- NO...they needed Lebron to " not stand in the corner and watch Wade ...I E....not stay shook outta his shoes in 2011"

If Lebron plays like he did in 2012 the Heat easily get past Dallas.....

- The Heat were stacked.....The Heat were a great team...they went to 4 straight Finals ( that's pretty good in case you don't know)....but they needed Lebron to be able to be a threat and a consistent shooter .

- The Cavs were also a very good team 07' - 10' = Finals appearance, back to back 60+ win seasons ( best record overall) but they lost to the ECFchampions / NBA champions every year...:confusedshrug:

If Lebron had stayed...no doubt the Cavs would have had the pieces to win ...( with improved Lebron )...look at what he did this year.

[AlphaWolf24]

Be real, his first 3 are just as valuable as any of Horrys. Its okay to accept what is true.

" Kobe is the best Laker ever" - Shaq

[Mrofir]

Here is the upshot that stands out to me -- just as an example, I think if Lebron had played his entire career out for a solid west contender, he would have 2-3 finals trophies by now, and fewer finals losses. He'd probably be something like 3-0 in the finals at this point. Fewer appearances, equal or greater ring count. If he had just stayed in Cleveland, he'd probably have won a ring at some point and that ring would arguably be more valuable to his legacy than his 2 rings currently are.

The point is, Lebron the player is great. Lebron the GM is not. He has tried to write his own story way too much. Dude needs to just play.





PS he really didn't have help this time

[SugarHill]

im srry 2/6 is real. 2/7 is just some fantasy lebron stans choose to believe. if you wanna bag on kobe not winning FmVP then its 2/5 which is still better than 2/6
But he lost two Finals as well...

[Eat Like A Bosh]

To be fair, MozGod and Thompson were playing out of their mind.

[Ne 1]

Be real, his first 3 are just as valuable as any of Horrys. Its okay to accept what is true.
Well his first ring is similar to Wade in '12 or Clyde in '95, but his 2nd and 3rd rings are on par with or better than some "#1 option" rings