Kyrie Needs to get out of Cleveland before LeBron ruins his Finals record too

[JerrySeinfeld]

Next year he's gonna be following in Bron's footsteps, starting out 0-2 in the Finals... :facepalm

Needs to request a trade to Minnesota or some shit.

[SCdac]

Kyrie needs to stay healthy so he can watch himself and Lebron hoist up that championship trophy. they got to the finals, but lost, in their first season together. doesn't that sound a little familiar (miami heat 11-14)? Not many better teammates than Lebron imo, in terms of guaranteeing you to see some playoff action. Minnesota hasn't done much lately.

[dazzer87]

Westbrook too....shit FT35 cost your ass 100 bucks this yr......:roll:

[Meticode]

Kyrie needs to stay healthy so he can watch himself and Lebron hoist up that championship trophy. they got to the finals, but lost, in their first season together. doesn't that sound a little familiar (miami heat 11-14)? Not many better teammates than Lebron imo, in terms of guaranteeing you to see some playoff action. Minnesota hasn't done much lately.
I agree with this. A bunch of people out there like the original poster are just over-reacting or they're just trolling or they're just pushing their hate and negative agendas out there.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Kyrie needs to stay healthy so he can watch himself and Lebron hoist up that championship trophy. they got to the finals, but lost, in their first season together. doesn't that sound a little familiar (miami heat 11-14)? Not many better teammates than Lebron imo, in terms of guaranteeing you to see some playoff action. Minnesota hasn't done much lately.

Thats primarily because of how weak the East is.

And you can't compare Cleveland to Miami at all.

[Meticode]

Thats primarily because of how weak the East is.
It is what it is. It'll stay like this.


And you can't compare Cleveland to Miami at all.
Why?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Why?

LeBron ain't going up from this moment, his peak was in the playoffs like 3 years ago and he's gotten worse every year since. After that first losing year in Miami, LeBron grew quite a bit.

Miami was also a much better team defensively. No way around it. Their big 3 all played defense. None of Cleveland's big 3 really do.

Also, that mileage is most likely gonna hit LeBron like a brick wall one season. Not saying it will be next year but in like 2-3 years it's definitely possible. LeBron at age 32 is like 35-37 in normal years for most stars. Take that into account plus the fact that his game relies on athleticism more than most... Not a pretty picture that's being painted, I'll say that much.

EDIT: Shit, I haven't even gotten into the logistics of their cap situation either. It gets much harder for them to keep their current main guys as the years progress. One of Mozgov/Thompson will be gone soon, potentially both, there goes a big chunk of their defense.

[SCdac]

Thats primarily because of how weak the East is.

And you can't compare Cleveland to Miami at all.

Might be true. Who knows. Personally I think Lebron is a top-10 ish calibre player and he'd be tearing it up in the West too, ala Durant, Kobe of the past, McGrady in the mid 2000's (albeit getting out of the first round), and so on. Playing in the East has helped but ultimately if you beat the "best of the best" that comes out of the western conference, to me that means you basically 'beat the west' altogether. none the less, I think a Lebron and Irving duo could work provided everything goes right

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie wouldn't even have a Finals record without LeBron. But by ISH logic better to miss the playoffs or lose in the first round than make the Finals

[Meticode]

LeBron ain't going up from this moment, his peak was in the playoffs like 2 years ago and he's gotten worse every year since. After that first losing year in Miami, LeBron grew quite a bit.

I agree.


Miami was also a much better team defensively. No way around it. Their big 3 all played defense. None of Cleveland's big 3 really do.
True, but they don't have to. They have one of the better wing defenders in the league in Shumpert. Thompson has turned into an above average defender, Delly is a good defender. After the Cavs turnaround and trades mid-season the Cavs vastly improved their defense.


Also, that mileage is most likely gonna hit LeBron like a brick wall one season. Not saying it will be next year but in like 2-3 years if he suffers any serious injuries from now to then? It's possible.
I agree with this also, but understand that Miami's Big 3 were all similar ages, all starting to slightly age. Especially Wade with his knees, if LeBron stays long-term we're going to slowly see the torch being passed onto Irving and Irving handling more of the scoring load. We saw it several times this season already. If Love and Irving are together long-term, they will be the main offense eventually since they are younger. Hell, Klay Thompson is older than Irving at this point.

There are similarities and differences between the Miami/Cleveland triangle.

[jlip]

Yes. Because Kyrie Irvin is such a great winner right now.:facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

Might be true. Who knows. Personally I think Lebron is a top-10 ish calibre player and he'd be tearing it up in the West too, ala Durant, Kobe of the past, McGrady in the mid 2000's (albeit getting out of the first round), and so on. Playing in the East has helped but ultimately if you beat the "best of the best" that comes out of the western conference, to me that means you basically 'beat the west' altogether. none the less, I think a Lebron and Irving duo could work provided everything goes right
LeBron was able to keep this series competitive against the best team in the West despite being short two all stars. I think it's safe to say at this point that he would be fine in the west.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Yes. Because Kyrie Irvin is such a great winner right now.:facepalm

Hard to be a winner when LeBron is on your team.

Game 1 as Irving was dribbling the ball up the court on the final possession I spoke out loud to the room of some of my friends, saying "They're gonna give LeBron the ball with like 7 seconds left and he's gonna blow it when they should just let Irving keep the ball and win the game."

[JerrySeinfeld]

LeBron was able to keep this series competitive against the best team in the West despite being short two all stars. I think it's safe to say at this point that he would be fine in the west.

Lol it's not safe to say at all. He's 2-6 vs the West in the Finals and has beaten to date, seven 50 win teams in his career. In the West he'd be facing one like every round, Cleveland would have been like the 7th seed, having to go through Houston, the Clippers, and then the Warriors just to reach the Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hard to be a winner when LeBron is on your team.

Game 1 as Irving was dribbling the ball up the court on the final possession I spoke out loud to the room of some of my friends, saying "They're gonna give LeBron the ball with like 7 seconds left and he's gonna blow it when they should just let Irving keep the ball and win the game."

True, considering all his playoff game winners and playoff experience, that would have been the right call

[JerrySeinfeld]

True, considering all his playoff game winners and playoff experience, that would have been the right call

Not really about experience, it's about what players skillset is best for the situation.

7 seconds is too much time for a beta like LeBron to think. You could end up with the ball in a scrubs hands on the corner, you could end up with him flopping for the whistle and getting no call, or you could end up with him trying to step outside of his game and try and pull a Kobe/Jordan esque stepback for the W only to come up short.

With Irving, who is much better at breaking down his man off the dribble, the end game is much more clear. He's gonna get a good look and live with the results.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lol it's not safe to say at all. He's 2-6 vs the West in the Finals and has beaten to date, seven 50 win teams in his career. In the West he'd be facing one like every round, Cleveland would have been like the 7th seed, having to go through Houston, the Clippers, and then the Warriors just to reach the Finals.
If he had a healthy squad in 2015, they would have wrecked the Warriors and any team in the West. They went 15-1 in the season against the West after acquiring Mozgov/JR/Shump

2013, he beat the best in the West w/ the Heat
2012, it only took 5 games to beat the best team in the West but took them 7 games to win the ECF
2011... yeah i'll give you that one. He'd lose to the Mavs
2014 and 2007, yeah he'd lose to the Spurs if he was on the same teams, just playing in the West.

So he'd have the same career, just less finals losses.

[Hey Yo]

Westbrook too....shit FT35 cost your ass 100 bucks this yr......:roll:
LOL @ FT35

[tmacattack33]

Yes, Kyrie has a great opportunity to get back to the Finals next year and hopefully stay healthy and get the chance to play in it.

But instead, he should leave and go to another team. :facepalm




This is quickly becoming a pretty terrible forum.

Thankfully i'm never here much in the off-season after the draft anyway.

[sportjames23]

Yes, Kyrie has a great opportunity to get back to the Finals next year and hopefully stay healthy and get the chance to play in it.

But instead, he should leave and go to another team. :facepalm




This is quickly becoming a pretty terrible forum.

Thankfully i'm never here much in the off-season after the draft anyway.


Cool starry brah.

[I<3NBA]

wow. :facepalm next season can't come soon enough.

[SwishSquared]

Shit, I haven't even gotten into the logistics of their cap situation either. It gets much harder for them to keep their current main guys as the years progress. One of Mozgov/Thompson will be gone soon, potentially both, there goes a big chunk of their defense.No, it doesn't necessarily. Unless TT, Shumpert, and Delly all sign 1-year qualifying offers, Love & JR walk, and Mozgov bolts next summer when he's an UFA, this team stands a good shot at staying together.

TT is LeBron's buddy and they want to play with each other. Kyrie's locked up and gelled very nicely with LBJ on offense. Mozgov has played the best ball of his career alongside LBJ. JR Smith wants to return, if nothing else for the free stuff he'd receive as LBJ's teammate. Shump hasn't indicated he wants to leave, either. Love's a wildcared, and talk is cheap, but he hasn't made it sound like he's gone quite yet.

They literally only have to keep paying the luxury tax to keep this team together. Gilbert has said he'll pay whatever to keep it going. He wants multiple rings and he's fine footing the bill, so he's said.

I know you're spitballing, but there's no guarantee anybody leaves. I rambled because I'm a team construction/cap nerd so there's that lol.