Comparing lebron vs 2015 warriors and kobe vs 2010 celtics

[Rose'sACL]

2015 Warriors: #1 ranked defense in the league
lebron: 35.8ppg - 13.3 rpg- 8.8 apg
39.8% FG%

2010 Celtics: #9 ranked defense in the league
Kobe Bryant: 28.6 ppg 8.0 rpg 3.9 apg
40.6 FG%






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[imnew09]

5/7 > 2/6

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The Celtics were clearly the #1 rated defense in the playoffs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html

Kobe was more efficient (53%TS vs 47%TS), didn't have the green light, nor was single-covered like LeBron. Not sure who I would take though.

[imnew09]

2015 Warriors: #1 ranked defense in the league
lebron: 35.8ppg - 13.3 rpg- 8.8 apg
39.8% FG%

2010 Celtics: #9 ranked defense in the league
Kobe Bryant: 28.6 ppg 8.0 rpg 3.9 apg
40.6 FG%






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Lebron James averaged 44% Fg, 26% from 3s 74% FT 26.8PPG

against the Same Celtic team and came up with a fken L, and had to take his talents to South Beach

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[BigTicket]

2011 Lebron vs 2004 Kobe would be a more interesting comparison, not sure who was worse.

Or if you want to compare efforts in better years, you could do 2012/2013 Lebron vs 2009/2010 Kobe.

2015 Lebron vs 2010 Kobe doesn't make much sense, very different situations and outcomes.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lettuce discuss how u put an avy of every team facing the Cavs in each round in a pathetic attempt to antijinx :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Rose'sACL]

The Celtics were clearly the #1 rated defense in the playoffs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html

Kobe was more efficient (53%TS vs 47%TS), didn't have the green light, nor was single-covered like LeBron. Not sure who I would take though.
you also forgot that kobe played without gasol in the finals whereas lebron had kyrie and love in the finals with him.

LoL.....how were celtics ranked number 1 in defense?
even if you just take playoffs into account, they were 2nd in defense just like warriors.

[LakersDaBEst]

Lebron James averaged 44% Fg, 26% from 3s 74% FT 26.8PPG

against the Same Celtic team and came up with a fken L, and had to take his talents to South Beach

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[Rose'sACL]

Lebron James averaged 44% Fg, 26% from 3s 74% FT 26.8PPG

against the Same Celtic team and came up with a fken L, and had to take his talents to South Beach

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just goes to show how lucky kobe is that has has played for the lakers. imagine lakers drafting lebron. hell, imagine if dallas drafted him who are not even close to lakers in terms of putting great team around their stars.

[SouBeachTalents]

2011 Lebron vs 2004 Kobe would be a more interesting comparison, not sure who was worse.

Or if you want to compare efforts in better years, you could do 2012/2013 Lebron vs 2009/2010 Kobe.

2015 Lebron vs 2010 Kobe doesn't make much sense, very different situations and outcomes.

2011 LeBron was worse, but imo 2012/2013 LeBron was better

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebron James averaged 44% Fg, 26% from 3s 74% FT 26.8PPG

against the Same Celtic team and came up with a fken L, and had to take his talents to South Beach

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http://i.imgur.com/jnIRkOZ.gif

[plowking]

The Celtics were clearly the #1 rated defense in the playoffs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html

Kobe was more efficient (53%TS vs 47%TS), didn't have the green light, nor was single-covered like LeBron. Not sure who I would take though.

Kobe got single coverage the whole of game 7 and put up 6-24. Ray Allen was literally checking him one on one the whole night. The only time they did a hard double was when Garnett's man screened for Kobe.

Why make up shit to try and make Bron look bad?:oldlol:

[eliteballer]

Kobe was playing on one knee, he could barely jump or explode.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you also forgot that kobe played without gasol in the finals whereas lebron had kyrie and love in the finals with him.

LoL.....how were celtics ranked number 1 in defense?
even if you just take playoffs into account, they were 2nd in defense just like warriors.

Dick, why wouldn't I take the playoffs into account? Are you not comparing 2 playoff series?

The Celtics had the #1 rated defense in the playoffs because they were more effective on that end vs the Magic, the team they eliminated and who played 10 less games in the postseason.

[BigTicket]

2011 LeBron was worse

I'm not so sure, 2011 Lebron gets a lot more attention, but 2004 Kobe was pretty ****ing bad as well.

18/7/7 on 48%FG vs 23/3/4 on 38%FG is really close.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe got single coverage the whole of game 7 and put up 6-24. Ray Allen was literally checking him one on one the whole night. The only time they did a hard double was when Garnett's man screened for Kobe.

Why make up shit to try and make Bron look bad?:oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6161Cb6GB3E

:44
1:30
1:45 (bad trap, KG defending Kobe)
3:11

And these are just the shot attempts in a highlight-video. Moreover, why would I make shit up when I watched the game and you clearly didn't?

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm not so sure, 2011 Lebron gets a lot more attention, but 2004 Kobe was pretty ****ing bad as well.

18/7/7 on 48%FG vs 23/3/4 on 38%FG is really close.

It's honestly this that seals it

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg~original (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/nbacardDOTnet/media/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg.html)

As bad as Kobe was, at least the Lakers were completely outplayed, and most likely still lose even if Kobe has a good series. What's so unforgivable about LeBron's 2011 is how close the Heat were to winning with him playing so badly. He scores more than 2 points in those 4th quarters, or scores 15 points in that Game 4 instead of 8 they win the ****ing championship. LeBron gets a lot of undeserved criticism, but he should be criticized for that series for the rest of his life

[eliteballer]

I'm not so sure, 2011 Lebron gets a lot more attention, but 2004 Kobe was pretty ****ing bad as well.

18/7/7 on 48%FG vs 23/3/4 on 38%FG is really close.

Except Kobe was coming off knee and shoulder surgeries, lost all conditioning because he couldn't rehab properly due to colorado, and the Lakers had an injured and broken down team as a whole.

Completely different situations.

[eliteballer]

Look at Kobe's physical capability in the 2010 and 2004 finals vs any games in any other year between 1999 and 2010 and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[White Mamba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6161Cb6GB3E

:44
1:30
1:45 (bad trap, KG defending Kobe)
3:11

And these are just the shot attempts in a highlight-video. Moreover, why would I make shit up when I watched the game and you clearly didn't?
and Kobe won:pimp:

[BigTicket]

As bad as Kobe was, at least the Lakers were completely outplayed, and most likely still lose even if Kobe has a good series. What's so unforgivable about LeBron's 2011 is how close the Heat were to winning with him playing so badly. He scores more than 2 points in those 4th quarters, or scores 15 points in that Game 4 instead of 8 they win the ****ing championship. LeBron gets a lot of undeserved criticism, but he should be criticized for that series for the rest of his life

No doubt Lebron was ****ing horrible in that series, and for no apparent reason as well. He played so well in the ECF, then proceeded to suck in the finals. I still don't get what happened there.

The Lakers should have beat the Pistons as well though. The Pistons had a strong defense, but their offense was terrible, so better scoring from Kobe could have made the difference.

[SouBeachTalents]

No doubt Lebron was ****ing horrible in that series, and for no apparent reason as well. He played so well in the ECF, then proceeded to suck in the finals. I still don't get what happened there.

The Lakers should have beat the Pistons as well though, they had a strong defense, but their offense was terrible, so better scoring from Kobe could have made the difference.

Lol, I'll never understand it as long as I live. Dude bodybagged the Celtics & Bulls that postseason and was an assassin in the clutch those series, then he proceeds to follow it up with that

[plowking]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6161Cb6GB3E

:44 - allen backs him into the corner by himself, and was going to take a bad shot anyway
1:30 - Garnett's match up screens and he gets doubled - like what I said happened in my earlier post. :oldlol:
1:45 (bad trap, KG defending Kobe) - same case. I said this happened. :oldlol:
3:11 - lol, do you know what a trap is? He tried to pick his pass, saw it wasn't there, and left. Again, Kobe gets a shot on single coverage.



All the shots single covered in the video:
1st one, 3rd one, 4th one, 6th one, 7th one, 8th one, 9th one, 10the one, 11th one, 12th one, 13th one...

I can't be bothered looking anymore... lol. Your video proved my point. :oldlol: 1:40 - 3:40 are all single coverage and I think he misses every shot in that period.

So you find 2 examples, of which I said happened originally in my post (when Garnett's man screened) and you act like I was wrong? lol... You don't even know what a double is. :oldlol: 3:11... lol

[Rose'sACL]

Dick, why wouldn't I take the playoffs into account? Are you not comparing 2 playoff series?

The Celtics had the #1 rated defense in the playoffs because they were more effective on that end vs the Magic, the team they eliminated and who played 10 less games in the postseason.
even if you take just playoffs into account, both GS and celtics were 2nd ranked defense in the playoffs.
lebron put up way better stats on same efficiency as 2010 kobe. 2010 Celtics weren't even close to warriors in terms of offensive firepower. Golden state scored way more points and a lot better TS%.
anyways we shouldn't talk about offense as this is about defense in which case lebron faced both #1 and #2 ranked defense in the playoffs.

[The Iron Fist]

Whats to discuss? One turned out to be an inefficient chucker and the other turned into this,
http://images.rapgenius.com/1vl3qg87n2isp3bsvyfsb5hkm.742x419x1.jpg

[The Iron Fist]

you also forgot that kobe played without gasol in the finals whereas lebron had kyrie and love in the finals with him.

LoL.....how were celtics ranked number 1 in defense?
even if you just take playoffs into account, they were 2nd in defense just like warriors.
Tell me more about how Kyries and Loves vast playoff experience of 3 rounds was going to make them better than guys who had already been there a number of time.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Kobe was playing on one knee, he could barely jump or explode.

Carried by Gasol

[Rose'sACL]

Tell me more about how Kyries and Loves vast playoff experience of 3 rounds was going to make them better than guys who had already been there a number of time.
this is why lakers fans are the most knowledgeable fans in any sports.

[The Iron Fist]

Kobe got single coverage the whole of game 7 and put up 6-24. Ray Allen was literally checking him one on one the whole night. The only time they did a hard double was when Garnett's man screened for Kobe.

Why make up shit to try and make Bron look bad?:oldlol:
Nothing has to be made up to make bron look bad, 13-35 is bad enough.

[The Iron Fist]

this is why lakers fans are the most knowledgeable fans in any sports.
Isn't of acting like a little sissy, how about just answering?

Or did you really think the guy who asked lebron, "is this what the playoffs is like?", was going to be the savior?

Please, tell me more about how their experience would carry them past veterans of several rounds of playoff basketball.

[Rose'sACL]

Isn't of acting like a little sissy, how about just answering?

Or did you really think the guy who asked lebron, "is this what the playoffs is like?", was going to be the savior?

Please, tell me more about how their experience would carry them past veterans of several rounds of playoff basketball.
i just answered you. i agree with your statement that cavs were better without kyrie and love.
This is why i wrote that lakers fans like you are the most knowledgeable fans in the universe,

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

even if you take just playoffs into account, both GS and celtics were 2nd ranked defense in the playoffs.
lebron put up way better stats on same efficiency as 2010 kobe. 2010 Celtics weren't even close to warriors in terms of offensive firepower. Golden state scored way more points and a lot better TS%.
anyways we shouldn't talk about offense as this is about defense in which case lebron faced both #1 and #2 ranked defense in the playoffs.

Why wouldn't I take the playoffs into account? Are you ok?

[Rose'sACL]

Why wouldn't I take the playoffs into account? Are you ok?
are you ok? i just started the post with "even if you just take playoffs into account"
are you retarded? read the rest of the post. i posted their rank only in the playoffs.
This clearly showed lebron was way superior than kobe without as good of a team. he scored more while shooting the same percentage while assisting way more and rebounding too.
as for your single coverage excuse, imagine how many assists lebron would have averaged going by your logic if they doubled him. 25ppg-15 assists per game?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

All the shots single covered in the video:
1st one, 3rd one, 4th one, 6th one, 7th one, 8th one, 9th one, 10the one, 11th one, 12th one, 13th one...

I can't be bothered looking anymore... lol. Your video proved my point. :oldlol: 1:40 - 3:40 are all single coverage and I think he misses every shot in that period.

So you find 2 examples, of which I said happened originally in my post (when Garnett's man screened) and you act like I was wrong? lol... You don't even know what a double is. :oldlol: 3:11... lol

You're completely deluded. The shots in the video that I listed were all double-teams.

:44 - Allen forced Kobe into what would be a fade-away, but Pierce came to help last second which forced Kobe into an awful shot. An angle where he couldn't pass even if he wanted to.
1:30 - TBH, I wasn't concerned with what you were posting after you said Kobe literally never got double-teamed. But yeah, that's a double team. Clown.
1:45 - Another double team
3:11 - Rondo tries to prevent him from going right/baseline, backed off, and Kobe simply reads the defense incorrectly :oldlol: even if you didn't want to count that a double, you still described the play incorrectly.

LMAO at your description of the first play. Holy crap that's legit hilarious. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

are you ok? i just started the post with "even if you just take playoffs into account"
are you retarded? read the rest of the post. i posted their rank only in playoffs.

I'm asking why wouldn't I? Its not about what I want, its what is.

Did you read the post where I mentioned Boston outplayed and eliminated the Magic in the playoffs (on defense as well) - a team who played 10 less games?

[nba_55]

How is this a discussion? Lebron was way better.

[ZMonkey11]

Well you should compare Lebron's year from when he was the best player on his final team to the year Kobe was the best player on his.... Oh wait.. My b.

[Rose'sACL]

I'm asking why wouldn't I? Its not about what I want, its what is.

Did you read the post where I mentioned Boston outplayed and eliminated the Magic in the playoffs (on defense as well) - a team who played 10 less games?
but lebron played the bulls as well.
i am posting only playoffs stats and you are still mad that lebron did way better than kobe on same efficiency pretty much on a way worse team.

i ask you again, if lebron got only single coverage then imagine how many assists he would have had if he got doubled give that he average 9 assists already?

[plowking]

You're completely deluded. The shots in the video that I listed were all double-teams.

:44 - Allen forced Kobe into what would be a fade-away, but Pierce came to help last second which forced Kobe into an awful shot. An angle where he couldn't pass even if he wanted to.
1:30 - TBH, I wasn't concerned with what you were posting after you said Kobe literally never got double-teamed. But yeah, that's a double team. Clown.
1:45 - Another double team
3:11 - Rondo tries to prevent him from going right/baseline, backed off, and Kobe simply reads the defense incorrectly :oldlol: even if you didn't want to count that a double, you still described the play incorrectly.

LMAO at your description of the first play. Holy crap that's legit hilarious. :oldlol:

A select few examples does not set the standard for the whole night. Kobe got single coverage. There are always going to be plays on the court where someone doubles. Delly got doubled on a few plays in the finals, so are you going to sit here and say he wasn't single covered too?
Bron has as many, if not more of those plays that Kobe did. :oldlol:

I didn't describe 3:11 incorrectly. Make a thread about it, and ask everyone if that is a double team. lol... You'll get laughed off the board. Do it, please. A double is where you send a man over to get the ball out of a players hands or force a tough shot. That was a guy walking over towards the direction of the ball and changed his mind. :oldlol:

I told you that :45 is the only legit double outside of what I said happened, which is Garnett hedging and doubling off screens set by his man. So you've found one example. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP, so the answer to my post is you bringing up LeBron's efficiency in 2010?

Thank you for letting me know I've wasted enough time in this thread. :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

A select few examples does not set the standard for the whole night. Kobe got single coverage. There are always going to be plays on the court where someone doubles. Delly got doubled on a few plays in the finals, so are you going to sit here and say he wasn't single covered too?
Bron has as many, if not more of those plays that Kobe did. :oldlol:

Those were just his shot attempts, his misses at that. Throughout the game, and in the series, he saw more traps and doubles than LeBron did against the Warriors out in the perimeter.

But seriously.. your description of the first play alone made me piss myself. Thanks for the laugh bud. You'd make Tony Montana proud. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Everyone please go to 3:11 of the video kuniva posted to see what he thinks is a double. :oldlol:

Dude has been watching ball at least 6 years given his join date and he still doesn't actually know what a double is. :oldlol:

[plowking]

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But seriously.. your description of the first play alone made me piss myself. Thanks for the laugh bud. You'd make Tony Montana proud. :oldlol:

Did Allen not defend him well and get him to go to the corner by himself? Yes.
Was the shot clock not winding down under 3 seconds, so he would have shot a bad shot had the double not come anyway? Yes.

So which bit was I wrong about? Show me which part of my description of the play was wrong. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Tiny Tony doesn't consider :44 a double because.....it was already gonna be a bad shot for Kobe.

Okay that's enough for now. I'll stop. :roll:

[nba_55]

Everyone please go to 3:11 of the video kuniva posted to see what he thinks is a double. :oldlol:

Dude has been watching ball at least 6 years given his join date and he still doesn't actually know what a double is. :oldlol:

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[plowking]

Tiny Tony doesn't consider :44 a double because.....it was already gonna be a bad shot for Kobe.

Okay that's enough for now. I'll stop. :roll:

Find me where I didn't say it was a double? :oldlol:
I'll wait.

It was sent to make his already bad shot position worse. Not because Allen needed help stopping his man. :oldlol:


Where are all these double teams though dude? How come for 2 minutes straight of misses there isn't a single double? :oldlol:
Wasn't their gameplan to double Kobe? :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Everyone please go to 3:11 of the video kuniva posted to see what he thinks is a double. :oldlol:

Dude has been watching ball at least 6 years given his join date and he still doesn't actually know what a double is. :oldlol:
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[3ball]

I'm not so sure, 2011 Lebron gets a lot more attention, but 2004 Kobe was pretty ****ing bad as well.

18/7/7 on 48%FG vs 23/3/4 on 38%FG is really close.



Remember Detroit's 2004 coverage?... Ok, compare to this:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif


:oldlol: .. Kobe's never faced coverage that soft in his life.. If he ever did, who knows how many he'd get.. He'd definitely shoot way better than the 32.5% Lebron shot on these isolations in 2015 playoffs:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1

[Mr Feeny]

The Celtics were clearly the #1 rated defense in the playoffs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html

Kobe was more efficient (53%TS vs 47%TS), didn't have the green light, nor was single-covered like LeBron. Not sure who I would take though.

You'd definitely take Lebron. Their numbers aren't even close to being comparable tbh. It's not close enough to start discarding fg% look for any advantage in ts% (however narrow).

Lebron by a landslide here in my opinion.

[Mr Feeny]

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You wonder why he'd even post. If you don't know what you're talking about and are risking embarrassing yourself then just stop posting. You can see it in more than one post. His basic knowledge of basketball doesn't seem to be up to par with the majority of the posters on here.

[HOoopCityJones]

Feeny , you're just a Lebron stan, at least we know Kuniva has talked objectively about Kobe on previous occasions. You and Plo just straight up slurp Lebron nut 247.

[Mr Feeny]

Feeny , you're just a Lebron stan, at least we know Kuniva has talked objectively about Kobe on previous occasions. You and Plo just straight up slurp Lebron nut 247.

Beautiful to see that you're still concerned with me even to the point of analysing me :lebronamazed:

1- Not a Lebron fan
2- Me and "ploe" have openly fell out this week on ish and argued against each other. We happen to agree in this case though:cheers:
3- You have the reputation of being the biggest liar on this board and have been called out on it several times by several posters.

Cheerio :lebronamazed:

[GoSpursGo1984]

You can put up all the comparisons you want Kobe still has had a better career then Lebron.