Laker Fans: Who Do You Want With the #2 Pick?

[ClipperRevival]

We are taking Okafor or Russell, with a outside shot at Porzingis.

Okafor has the post game, huge hands and touch but lacks athleticism and will most likely be a liability on D. His talents might not be best for today's high paced game. He won't mesh with Randle well.

Russell seems to have a high skill level, high bball iq and feel for the game. His knock is lack of athleticism. But pairing him with Clarkson could give us a dynamic duo for the next 8 years.

Who do you want and why?

[HOoopCityJones]

Okafor or bust imo.

I know Towns is going to Minne for sure, but I'm not in on the Russell hype just yet, seems like your average PG so far.

[YouGotServed]

Houston is in dire need of a solid PG. Draft a PG, if he's good Morey will trade for him like he always does.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okafor by a mile.

The liability on d isn't scaring me off. I think it's overblown. He'll never be able to cover the ground that a Dwight Howard does on defense. So what? That doesn't make him a liability in my eyes. He'll be fine if he gets the right coaching and puts in the effort.

[ClipperRevival]

Okafor or bust imo.

I know Towns is going to Minne for sure, but I'm not in on the Russell hype just yet, seems like your average PG so far.

I'm a little worried about how Randle/Okafor will play out. Neither can't protect the rim. And that's a big liability to have imo. And Randle's jumper is still very questionable so the spacing will be an issue.

Honestly, I wanted Okafor when we were first awarded the pick but I'm starting to think that drafting Russell might not be such a bad idea. He fits in today's game. Having Clarkson/Russell might make us devastating in the backcourt. Clarkson the athletic one and Russell the creator for everyone else. And you add in Randle, who can run the floor like a 3 and we have a heck of core right there.

[COnDEMnED]

Getting Okafor at number 2 is just as good as getting the number 1 pick. He's who I wanted when I thought we were in danger of losing the pick altogether.

[Rooster]

I'm a little worried about how Randle/Okafor will play out. Neither can't protect the rim. And that's a big liability to have imo. And Randle's jumper is still very questionable so the spacing will be an issue.

Honestly, I wanted Okafor when we were first awarded the pick but I'm starting to think that drafting Russell might not be such a bad idea. He fits in today's game. Having Clarkson/Russell might make us devastating in the backcourt. Clarkson the athletic one and Russell the creator for everyone else. And you add in Randle, who can run the floor like a 3 and we have a heck of core right there.

We can't possibly draft by position especially we don't know yet what Randle can bring to the table. I think Okafor has enough size and wingspan to be a good defender.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm a little worried about how Randle/Okafor will play out. Neither can't protect the rim. And that's a big liability to have imo. And Randle's jumper is still very questionable so the spacing will be an issue.

Honestly, I wanted Okafor when we were first awarded the pick but I'm starting to think that drafting Russell might not be such a bad idea. He fits in today's game. Having Clarkson/Russell might make us devastating in the backcourt. Clarkson the athletic one and Russell the creator for everyone else. And you add in Randle, who can run the floor like a 3 and we have a heck of core right there.

Randle and Okafor's defense can be developed.

A year ago or two if someone told you Curry and Klay Thompson would be one of the best backcourts defensively in the league would you believe them? Curry getting his ankles broke used to be an ongoing joke in the league.

I don't think it's as bad as a Kevin Love situation , Randle and Jahlil both went to the title game, Randle with their best Defender injured ,and Jahlil may have been hidden alot on D to stop foul trouble but he was giving Frank Kaminsky all kinds of trouble in the championship game.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I think they've got to go Okafor, but you're right a core of Okafor/Randle seems a bit scary to build around defensively.

If it pans out they'll have a great young frontcourt already in place though for the next 4 or 5 seasons and plenty of money, (once Kobe retires anyway) to bring in a big name guard or wing and fill out the rest of the roster.

[ClipperRevival]

If we do take Okafor, I am hoping that he does become a good defender. What he does have are huge hands, a large wingspan (7'6"), somewhat light feet and is pretty coordinated for a guy his size. So hopefully, that might compensate for his lack of athleticism, ability to get off the floor quickly, lack of vertical and ability to give you multiple jumps.

[hawksdogsbraves]

If we do take Okafor, I am hoping that he does become a good defender. What he does have are huge hands, a large wingspan (7'6"), somewhat light feet and is pretty coordinated for a guy his size. So hopefully, that might compensate for his lack of athleticism, ability to get off the floor quickly, lack of vertical and ability to give you multiple jumps.

I can see it. You don't have to be a great athlete to be a good defensive big. Guys like Hibbert or Mozgov do a great job of protecting the rim by going with the infamous "verticality" and making sure they're in good positions.

He has good feet and seems to have a great feel for the game so I could definitely see him becoming a very good defender, though obviously lacking the explosiveness of a guy like Howard or Davis.

[HOoopCityJones]

If we do take Okafor, I am hoping that he does become a good defender. What he does have are huge hands, a large wingspan (7'6"), somewhat light feet and is pretty coordinated for a guy his size. So hopefully, that might compensate for his lack of athleticism, ability to get off the floor quickly, lack of vertical and ability to give you multiple jumps.

This is what makes me think it can be developed, the tools are already there.


As for Randle , he can't be that bad if he led a Team to the title game with his best defender WCS out.

[ClipperRevival]

I can see it. You don't have to be a great athlete to be a good defensive big. Guys like Hibbert or Mozgov do a great job of protecting the rim by going with the infamous "verticality" and making sure they're in good positions.

He has good feet and seems to have a great feel for the game so I could definitely see him becoming a very good defender, though obviously lacking the explosiveness of a guy like Howard or Davis.

Hopefully.

But Hibbert is like 7'1" without shoes and long as hell so he's got inches on Okafor both vertically and horizontally. And Mosgov is 7'0" without shoes so he's also got a couple of inches on Okafor and he's also pretty light on his feet. Okafor is 6'10" without shoes. So he's already at a disadvantage and he will have to compensate for the loss in height in other ways.

[Droid101]

LeBron James

[navy]

If we do take Okafor, I am hoping that he does become a good defender. What he does have are huge hands, a large wingspan (7'6"), somewhat light feet and is pretty coordinated for a guy his size. So hopefully, that might compensate for his lack of athleticism, ability to get off the floor quickly, lack of vertical and ability to give you multiple jumps.
:biggums:

[hawksdogsbraves]

Hopefully.

But Hibbert is like 7'1" without shoes and long as hell so he's got inches on Okafor both vertically and horizontally. And Mosgov is 7'0" without shoes so he's also got a couple of inches on Okafor and he's also pretty light on his feet. Okafor is 6'10" without shoes. So he's already at a disadvantage and he will have to compensate for the loss in height in other ways.

He has a good wingspan and a good standing reach though, so that combined with pretty quick feet tells me he could develop into an above average defensive big. He was always going to be an offensive player first, so even if he just becomes average defensively he'll be a great pro.

The problem would be if he's a negative defensively, then he's just Al Jefferson 2.0 and it's been pretty well documented that you're not winning anything in the NBA in this era with a player like that as your superstar.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

None of these kids will make a big difference. I'm admittedly not a big college guy, but it seems like hardly any of these new guys coming into the league are stars or impact players.

[ClipperRevival]

:biggums:

Why the :biggums: ? A wingspan of almost 7'6" is impressive. A. Davis' wingspan is right around there too and people always rave about how long he is. Durant's wingspan is 7'5".

[navy]

None of these kids will make a big difference. I'm admittedly not a big college guy, but it seems like hardly any of these new guys coming into the league are stars or impact players.
That's because players are only playing a year in college. Check out some superstar rookie college years and you wont be impressed.

[ClipperRevival]

He has a good wingspan and a good standing reach though, so that combined with pretty quick feet tells me he could develop into an above average defensive big. He was always going to be an offensive player first, so even if he just becomes average defensively he'll be a great pro.

The problem would be if he's a negative defensively, then he's just Al Jefferson 2.0 and it's been pretty well documented that you're not winning anything in the NBA in this era with a player like that as your superstar.

Yeah, if he can just hold his own and somewhat affect shots consistently, that would be good enough. The real issue, like you said, will be if he becomes Al 2.0 where he negatively impacts your team on D. The good thing about Okafor is that he is about an inch taller and has 3 inches in wingspan over Al. So he's a bit taller and noticeably longer.

[MVP]

Getting the sense that Mitch Kupchak is not overly impressed with Okafor or Russell. I can see them trading down for Denver pick and select from Porzingis, Mudiay, Hezonja or Payne.

[navy]

Why the :biggums: ? A wingspan of almost 7'6" is impressive. A. Davis' wingspan is right around there too and people always rave about how long he is. Durant's wingspan is 7'5".
I didnt know he was that long. He has a legit frame unlike the twigs that are Durant and Davis.

[Cold soul]

Okafor it wouldn't surprise me if Lakers went with Russell instead.

[ClipperRevival]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jahlil-Okafor-6469/

[COnDEMnED]

LeBron James
Please jeebus no. I want winners on the Lakers. Youth movement. Lebron's on the decline as is, and lets not forget the impending PED testing. The guy is going to drop off fast.

[ClipperRevival]

Okafor has freakishly large hands. He can hold the bball like a grapefruit. It is always an advantage if you can do that in basketball.

http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/04/this-is-what-a-basketball-looks-like-in-jahlil-okafors-enormous-hands

[hawksdogsbraves]

Why the :biggums: ? A wingspan of almost 7'6" is impressive. A. Davis' wingspan is right around there too and people always rave about how long he is. Durant's wingspan is 7'5".

Well Davis can jump out of the gym.

Okafor is already huge at 270, pretty uncommon for a guy to step into the NBA at 19 years old and already have that kind of frame. Should let him be able to bang around inside with NBA bigs immediately.

[HOoopCityJones]

I don't get the Al Jefferson comparisons, aside from the polished post game, Okafor seems to have a better vertical leap and is more athletic than Jefferson ever was in this league.

[Levity]

All these prospects do intrigue me, so i really dont care who they get. im more interested in who they surround their draftee with

one thing that hasnt been mentioned in hear in regards to okafor is his great passing from the block/vision/patience. A high IQ player with a veterans pace.

[brandonislegend]

We are taking Okafor or Russell, with a outside shot at Porzingis.

Okafor has the post game, huge hands and touch but lacks athleticism and will most likely be a liability on D. His talents might not be best for today's high paced game. He won't mesh with Randle well.

Russell seems to have a high skill level, high bball iq and feel for the game. His knock is lack of athleticism. But pairing him with Clarkson could give us a dynamic duo for the next 8 years.

Who do you want and why?

They are working out Mudiay again for the 2nd time, they must have some interest.

[ClipperRevival]

All these prospects do intrigue me, so i really dont care who they get. im more interested in who they surround their draftee with

one thing that hasnt been mentioned in hear in regards to okafor is his great passing from the block/vision/patience. A high IQ player with a veterans pace.

He seems to have good feel for the game, which is always a positive. You never want a guy who seems lost or doesn't know what he's doing out there.

[Levity]

They are working out Mudiay again for the 2nd time, they must have some interest.

i saw that today too. i would hope they trade down with the knicks if that was the case. snag tim hardaway JR, and go into the offseason with a bench backcourt of him + jabari brown

[ClipperRevival]

Whoever we pick, I am sure the team is doing their due diligence and leaving no stone unturned. I will give the front office the benefit of the doubt and see how the pick pans out, even if it is Russell or Mudiay, or even Porzingis before pass on judgment.

[brandonislegend]

I wouldn't be mad if it was any of Russell, Okafor or Mudiay, I prefer trading down to be honest.

Russell will be similar to Brandon Roy imo.

Okafor will be a better version of Al Jeff.

And Mudiay could be a John Wall type PG.

All have good ceilings.

[Ne 1]

Take the best player available and go from there. Don't draft by need. If Okafor and Randle don't mesh together well, you can make a trade down the line.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

In a league in which Jordan Hill makes 9 million dollars you take Okafor.

[HOoopCityJones]

They asked Okafor to come back in too.

[Mr. Jabbar]

i trust jim buss will make the worst possible decision

[ClipperRevival]

I've been watching some Russell videos this dude has GAME. Everything he does is smooth, sort of like Wade. Nothing herky, jerky, everything in control. This guy averaged 19.3 ppg as a freshman. He's only 19 years old, just like Okafor.

This is the type of guy you want to pay attention closely in the combine workouts and see exactly where his athleticism is at. Is he more explosive than the film indicates? If so, I might take this guy because he might be the best player in draft when it's all said and done. He has that type of smooth, game. He can pass, he can break down defenders and get his own shot and has great court vision. And if his shot is good, that makes him pretty complete.

[midatlantic09]

Anyone but Manny Mudiay.

[ClipperRevival]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D-Angelo-Russell-7175/

Russell also has an impressive wingspan of almost 6'10". Since he's only 19, he has a chance to grow and get longer and taller. The more I think about it, the more I like this guy.

I think we get a very good player either way, so in that sense, we win. But the point should be to draft the guy who you think will be the best player when it's all said and done. Forget about where they are ranked right now. You have to project their games into the future. This guy has game.

[midatlantic09]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D-Angelo-Russell-7175/

Russell also has an impressive wingspan of almost 6'10". Since he's only 19, he has a chance to grow and get longer and taller. The more I think about it, the more I like this guy.


He's most likely done growing. He's been his current height for a while now.

[ClipperRevival]

He's most likely done growing. He's been his current height for a while now.

Most likely but his wingspan did grow 1.25" from 2013 through 2015. There is always that small chance he can add a little height and/or length. We have to remember, back in the old days, when most guys played at least 2 years of college ball, he would be entering his sophomore year. I know David Robinson had a late growth spurt. Forgot which age. But he's just 19 and still a teen, he can still grow.

http://www.allheight.com/2012/12/late-growth-spurts-nba-players-tall.html

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm not sold on Russell.

Ive heard him compared to everyone from Curry to Brandon Roy.

[Magic 32]

"You can't pass up on a 7 footer"

- Mitch Kupchak (after the 2005 draft).


The Lakers will NOT pass up on Okafor or Towns.

[Rooster]

I'm not sold on Russell.

Ive heard him compared to everyone from Curry to Brandon Roy.

Unless he has that out of this world athleticism , it's hard to take a chance and take him at number 2 especially if Towns or Okafor is still available.

[HOoopCityJones]

"You can't pass up on a 7 footer"

- Mitch Kupchak (after the 2005 draft).


The Lakers will NOT pass up on Okafor or Towns.


Mitch said as much at Okafor's workout.

Draft Express hasn't budged on Okafor going @ 2 to the Lakers. This despite all the whoopla surrounding Porzingis and Russell coming in for workouts.

[HOoopCityJones]

Unless he has that out of this world athleticism , it's hard to take a chance and take him at number 2 especially if Towns or Okafor is still available.

I agree.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I don't get the Al Jefferson comparisons, aside from the polished post game, Okafor seems to have a better vertical leap and is more athletic than Jefferson ever was in this league.

True, but Okafor has been painted as a no-defense low post big, and Jefferson is pretty much the best example of that we've seen in the past decade.

No-defense low post bigs don't really have a great track record of success in the NBA these days, so that's why his stock has dropped over the past few months from a lock for the number one pick to a guy who could slip out of the 2 spot.

[HOoopCityJones]

True, but Okafor has been painted as a no-defense low post big, and Jefferson is pretty much the best example of that we've seen in the past decade.

No-defense low post bigs don't really have a great track record of success in the NBA these days, so that's why his stock has dropped over the past few months from a lock for the number one pick to a guy who could slip out of the 2 spot.

Ive never even seen Al Jefferson run the floor before and like I said his vertical is almost non existent, of course he's a shoddy defender til this day. I think his defense can develop at the NBA level. Guys like Pau, Tyson Chandler etc. they became better with the right Coaching. What Okafor does you can't really teach.

He can post and finish over either shoulder and he can step out to the perimeter and bake some shit, I don't see many Bigs doing shit like that in today's league aside from Davis.


Also has Jordan/Kawhi sized hands.

[ClipperRevival]

Unless he has that out of this world athleticism , it's hard to take a chance and take him at number 2 especially if Towns or Okafor is still available.

Obviously, if Russell had rare athleticism, it would be easier to take him and I think that's why you have to pay attention closely to his combine workouts to see if he's more athletic than his game tapes indicate. Harden, Manu and older Kobe weren't that athletic but their high skill level made them elite players. I think Russell has that type of high skill level where he won't need to be Rose /Westbrook athletic to get it done because he can outskill and outsmart defenders.

I'm a little torn between the two. Of course Okafor has a lot going for him but I see Russell and I think he can be a good one.

[Optimus Prime]

Towns or Okafor. There is no other choice.

:kobe:

[coin24]

Yep towns or okafor. Unless sac will give us cousins:lol

[navy]

"You can't pass up on a 7 footer"

- Mitch Kupchak (after the 2005 draft).


The Lakers will NOT pass up on Okafor or Towns.
2005 has passed. You wont win trying to do it like they did at that time.

I've heard good things about Okafor though. The fact that his wingspan is so good and his frame as well, im surprised people are talking about Towns.

What's so bad about his defense? Slow foot? Bad positioning? Hates contact?

[UK2K]

Okafor or bust imo.

I know Towns is going to Minne for sure, but I'm not in on the Russell hype just yet, seems like your average PG so far.
He's not even a PG.

I don't know where this notion of him playing point came from, but he's a SG.

Because he handled the ball for OSU was simply a matter of him being the best player. No different then Lebron or Durant or Harden handling it.

[navy]

He's not even a PG.

I don't know where this notion of him playing point came from, but he's a SG.

Because he handled the ball for OSU was simply a matter of him being the best player. No different then Lebron or Durant or Harden handling it.
Why cant he be a point guard?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

2005 has passed. You wont win trying to do it like they did at that time.


That mantra is so overblown. All the top teams in the league had above average big men.

Mozgov, Bogut, Horford, Noah, Gasol, the other Gasol, Randolph etc...

[navy]

That mantra is so overblown. All the top teams in the league had above average big men.

Mozgov, Bogut, Horford, Noah, Gasol, the other Gasol, Randolph etc...

All the top teams have an above average player at any position.

[Rooster]

Yep towns or okafor. Unless sac will give us cousins:lol

:no: Nah I rather keep that 2nd pick and build from that.

I dunno why so many of you guys are high on Cousins. He's obviously talented but he also comes with extra baggage. His numbers suggests he's elite big but where's the impact. Most of the great big men had their team in the playoff by their 2nd or 3rd year but Queens has not even sniff it in his 5th year.

[coin24]

:no: Nah I rather keep that 2nd pick and build from that.

I dunno why so many of you guys are high on Cousins. He's obviously talented but he also comes with extra baggage. His numbers suggests he's elite big but where's the impact. Most of the great big men had their team in the playoff by their 2nd or 3rd year but Queens has not even sniff it in his 5th year.


Bullshit. Cousins is a beast. The Kings were playing well to start the season and they went and fired the coach for no reason. Look at the shit players they surround him with. No one is making the playoffs with that garbage team..

Cousins on the Lakers= contender. Proven talent >> potential draft bust.( which majority are when you think about it)

[brownmamba00]

Bullshit. Cousins is a beast. The Kings were playing well to start the season and they went and fired the coach for no reason. Look at the shit players they surround him with. No one is making the playoffs with that garbage team..

Cousins on the Lakers= contender. Proven talent >> potential draft bust.( which majority are when you think about it)
Sac won't give us cousins no chance

I'd draft Russell...best player in the draft

[HOoopCityJones]

I dunno what the fucc people seeing in Russell that has him all hyped.

Keep watching this cat's game footage and what he's doing looks average for most guards his age coming out of college , then again they probably said the same about Steph. Idk mang.

[coin24]

Sac won't give us cousins no chance

I'd draft Russell...best player in the draft


But I want boogie:lol

Hmm nah I think it'd be crazy to pass on towns or okafor

[Rooster]

Bullshit. Cousins is a beast. The Kings were playing well to start the season and they went and fired the coach for no reason. Look at the shit players they surround him with. No one is making the playoffs with that garbage team..

Cousins on the Lakers= contender. Proven talent >> potential draft bust.( which majority are when you think about it)

So are you saying great bigs like Ewing, Hakeem, Admiral, Shaq, KG and even Dwight did have great teammates when they took their team to playoff by their 2nd or 3rd year . Sorry I ain't sold on Boogie like he's a cut from the same cloth.

I rather take my chances on that number 2 pick . Boogie might help away because he's about to hit his prime but I still don't see that impact like his stats suggest. If the Lakers already has that promising franchise player than I don't mind trading that pick for Boogie.

[coin24]

So are you saying great bigs like Ewing, Hakeem, Admiral, Shaq, KG and even Dwight did have great teammates when they took their team to playoff by their 2nd or 3rd year . Sorry I ain't sold on Boogie like he's a cut from the same cloth.

I rather take my chances on that number 2 pick . Boogie might help away because he's about to hit his prime but I still don't see that impact like his stats suggest. If the Lakers already has that promising franchise player than I don't mind trading that pick for Boogie.

That's the problem though, I don't see anyone in this draft as a "franchise player" level superstar. Who knows one may surprise everyone but..

I know the quality of FA willing to sign would be better if that trade went down.


Also the current west is slightly harder to squeeze into the 8 than when those
guys were up and coming..

[bobopenguin]

if we can get cousin, even it means #2 pick + clarkson, i say we go for it. Cousins is the best center in game. u dont pass this dude up.

and i will even trade randle for kenneth faried.
bare in mind, randle played 1 game, none of u guys know how good this kid is. Kenneth Faried is solid supporter.

[raprap]

I'd pick the best player available, and thay would be Russell.

[UK2K]

Why cant he be a point guard?
He's not. He's not quick enough, or fast enough. He's got a good build but he's not meant to be a point guard. He's not going to be bringing the ball up against Paul or Westbrook, or any real first team point guard without getting ripped every play.

He's a 2 guard. He's got the build and play style of a 2 guard. I know it says point guard on his draft profile, but he will have more success in the NBA being Monta Ellis. He's big, but not all that athletic. Not the best combination for an NBA point.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Okafor or Towns, whichever is available.

Really no preference on either. Towns clearly has more potential and looks to be more of a threat with an all around game, but Okafor's production as a freshman cannot be overlooked. 17PPG on 66% shooting, and winning the championship. If this was the old days where bigs stayed in college for 3-4 years like Shaq and Duncan, I believe that Okafor would develop into an absolute unguardable monster by his junior/senior year.

[Rooster]

That's the problem though, I don't see anyone in this draft as a "franchise player" level superstar. Who knows one may surprise everyone but..

I know the quality of FA willing to sign would be better if that trade went down.


Also the current west is slightly harder to squeeze into the 8 than when those
guys were up and coming..

I can see Towns or Okafor as a potential franchise player so we have a different perspective. Don't get me wrong, Boogie is a very player but not someone that can carry a team like those aforementioned big men. Even Davis carried the Pelicans last year.

[Genaro]

If the Wolves pick Towns, I want Okafor. Yes, Russell could very well become a great perimeter threat and the best player of the draft but Okafor is less risky. Even his floor is a good player already. To me is a no brainer.

[brownmamba00]

I dunno what the fucc people seeing in Russell that has him all hyped.

Keep watching this cat's game footage and what he's doing looks average for most guards his age coming out of college , then again they probably said the same about Steph. Idk mang.
He has a good feel for the game good instincts...can't teach bball IQ and swagger

Also think his passing and shooting will 110% translate to the pros

And he's got that hunger to be good man watch his interviews

[HOoopCityJones]

He has a good feel for the game good instincts...can't teach bball IQ and swagger

Also think his passing and shooting will 110% translate to the pros

And he's got that hunger to be good man watch his interviews

https://youtu.be/En0URtk09SM

https://youtu.be/RNn9q8twGOY


Okafor has all of these intangibles too, as a 6'11, 270 pd Big. I mean, hell if Russell turns out to be that shit if we draft him , I wont complain but idk....just seems average.

[bobopenguin]

I can see Towns or Okafor as a potential franchise player so we have a different perspective. Don't get me wrong, Boogie is a very player but not someone that can carry a team like those aforementioned big men. Even Davis carried the Pelicans last year.

.... cousins is franchise player...

head to head match up.
http://s29.postimg.org/bqdwzxdk5/h2h.jpg

these 2 are the future rivalry after this LJB vs KD.
they are both dominate and elite.
only different is that SAC front office has no clue of what's going, and Pelicans front office has little bit clue of what's going.

[ClipperRevival]

He's not. He's not quick enough, or fast enough. He's got a good build but he's not meant to be a point guard. He's not going to be bringing the ball up against Paul or Westbrook, or any real first team point guard without getting ripped every play.

He's a 2 guard. He's got the build and play style of a 2 guard. I know it says point guard on his draft profile, but he will have more success in the NBA being Monta Ellis. He's big, but not all that athletic. Not the best combination for an NBA point.

I completely disagree. The game is different today where you don't need a ball dominat PG. The role between 1 and 2 is blurry. Is Curry athletic? Or Harden? Or prime Manu? No. But they all had the iq, ball handling skills and passing skills to play it. Check out his highlights. Because he isn't overly athletic, he needs to rely on skills to beat his man one on one and he does. Most guys 19 years old use athleticism and a move or two to get by guys. This guy does it in every way possible from hesitations, between the leg and going the opposite direction, inside/out, crossover, behind the back, etc. All of his moves are so smooth and in control. He's extremely polished and skilled for a 19 year old. His passing and court vision is also very impressive. He has "special" written in his game. Not his athleticism but his game.

Now I understand that in the NBA, a lot of what makes you good is athleticism. You need some. But if you have special game, you can still be great. Curry is 6'3" and has a crappy wingpsan of only 6'3". Russell is 6'5" with an almost 6'10" wingspan. So he has a better base to work with. I would say they are similiar in athleticism.

This guy gave you 19.3 ppg as a freshman and shot 42% from 3 and 75% from the FT line. I am not saying he will be special but if we take him, I am sure Mitch has a good reason for it. The guy has serious GAME. And if you have that next level game, you can be great even if your athleticism isn't great.

[HOoopCityJones]

"Ive always Won"

[ClipperRevival]

I guess people have different preferences for drafting. Some go for the home run (highest ceiling) while others are more risk averse (highest floor) while some might go somewhere in between. I think if anyone has the potential to be the best player in this draft, it's Russell. Something about his overall game and polish that screams possible greatness. 10 years from now, if Russell turns into a great one, would you not want to go back and say I wish we would've picked him instead?

If Mitch takes him, I am sure it will be for some of the reasons I liked him.

[HOoopCityJones]

Chad Ford ✔@chadfordinsider
Lakers will do a 2nd workout with Jahlil Okafor on Friday & D’Angelo Russell on Saturday.

[bobopenguin]

I guess people have different preferences for drafting. Some go for the home run (highest ceiling) while others are more risk averse (highest floor) while some might go somewhere in between. I think if anyone has the potential to be the best player in this draft, it's Russell. Something about his overall game and polish that screams possible greatness. 10 years from now, if Russell turns into a great one, would you not want to go back and say I wish we would've picked him instead?

If Mitch takes him, I am sure it will be for some of the reasons I liked him.

true to dat, but if u take the most fundamental safety consideration, u always pick the biggest size. sure there's always next greg oden, thabeet etc, but u might also land next duncan, shaq, davis etc.
For the teams that has high draft pick, often means they are in rebuilding progress, and build around big is always easier compares to build around guards, especially any normal/decent big cost u much more, when a decent guards/wing can come cheap, e.g Lin, Lawson, conley, but ppl would pay big money for decent big such as Dmo, Faried, Kanter.

[ClipperRevival]

Watching some interviews of Russell, he said he looks up to none other than Curry. And his game resembles Curry. He was also asked where his high bball iq came from and he said he watches a lot of film. That's my kind of guy. I also like his shooting and think he can be a very good 3 pt shooter at this level. The guy carries himself with poise and seems 100% confident in himself and his game. And what is between the ears is also important.

I think his floor is Tyreke Evans to be honest and his ceiling is an elite guard in this league. He is just too skilled and polished to go along with the bball iq and court vision to be anything worse than a Tyreke Evans imo.

[monkeypox]

Okafor by a mile.

The liability on d isn't scaring me off. I think it's overblown. He'll never be able to cover the ground that a Dwight Howard does on defense. So what? That doesn't make him a liability in my eyes. He'll be fine if he gets the right coaching and puts in the effort.


effort is the biggest concern for me. Word is that he's not actually that passionate about basketball and that it's just a job for him. Bynum was like that and look where he ended up.

[coin24]

effort is the biggest concern for me. Word is that he's not actually that passionate about basketball and that it's just a job for him. Bynum was like that and look where he ended up.


2 time champion, plenty of $$ and banged heaps of bitches.:cheers:

[Rooster]

.... cousins is franchise player...

head to head match up.
http://s29.postimg.org/bqdwzxdk5/h2h.jpg

these 2 are the future rivalry after this LJB vs KD.
they are both dominate and elite.
only different is that SAC front office has no clue of what's going, and Pelicans front office has little bit clue of what's going.

Sorry I am not sold on Boogie as that franchise player. If he was dominant and elite that you would like to believe then the Queens would have won been making noises like those aforementioned bigs with their franchises. He's been with them for 5 years and the story remains the same. Find me a franchise big that went through this .

[HOoopCityJones]

effort is the biggest concern for me. Word is that he's not actually that passionate about basketball and that it's just a job for him. Bynum was like that and look where he ended up.

I think it's overblown , the kid has been a winner at every level.

You don't win that consistently without passion for the game.

[daily]

2 time champion, plenty of $$ and banged heaps of bitches.:cheers:

So you're saying you'd base the future of the franchise on a guy with no work ethic like Bynum :lol

This draft pick isn't about filling a void on a team that's need a push to go over the edge. It's about getting a guy who can be a key component of the franchise for years to come. Bynum is probably one of the worst examples you could come up with

[coin24]

So you're saying you'd base the future of the franchise on a guy with no work ethic like Bynum :lol

This draft pick isn't about filling a void on a team that's need a push to go over the edge. It's about getting a guy who can be a key component of the franchise for years to come. Bynum is probably one of the worst examples you could come up with

I didn't bring up Bynum I was responding to the look what happened to him part. Obviously lakers need to avoid another lazy fu*ktard like Bynum :lol

Definitely have to go with towns/okafor but as previously discussed I would openly move either for cousins

[Fallen Angel]

Is Curry athletic? Or Harden? Or prime Manu? No.
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[ClipperRevival]

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Oh boy. I knew someone might take that literally. Of course they have SOME athleticism to be able to do some athletic moves. But they don't possess special athleticism and didn't rely on their athleticism to succeed like a Rose/Westbrook. In terms of NBA level athleticism, they are probably average or below average.

[G-Funk]

Jahlil is no longer 270lbs, week ago his trainer said he dropped 16lbd of pure fat. He's 254lbs.

[blacknapalm]

whoever is on the board, between towns and okafor. i'd prefer towns since i just view him as the player with more upside. already has a respectable jumper to go with good defense.

i'm also just not big on pairing okafor w/ randle. i'd prefer a big who has great defense and/or rebounding to start next to randle. all that said, i think okafor's athleticism is being slightly undersold. i think he does what it takes to finish the play but i do wonder if he takes his foot off the gas sometimes. i just hope he's motivated to improve, especially on the defensive end while still being assertive offensively.

i agree w/ coin24. i would without hesitation trade that pick for cousins if possible. i'm not seeing a franchise changer in this draft. cousins is arguably the most skilled big in the game offensively and it's not like he's a liability defensively. sac-town has been a hot mess since he's been there. just wish LA had a stronger, better coach in place cuz that's exactly what cousins needs. someone to lead him and gain that mutual respect. he could be fully unleashed in that environment.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I disagree that there are no franchise changers in this draft. I think there are a couple high ceiling guys in this draft that could end up changing a franchise.

However that leaves a lot to question, and you need faith in your ability to develop that ceiling. That is why if you are offered a player of Cousins' caliber for a pick in this draft I think you do it. You are for sure getting a franchise caliber player in lieu of a younger potential guy.

I think the Lakers will take Okafor and hope the defense catches up. Unless Russell blows them away Okafor is the safest pick in that spot. Like I've said before a Randle/Okafor pairing would be pretty sweet to watch.

[WeGetRing2012]

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Chad Ford ✔@chadfordinsider
Lakers will do a 2nd workout with Jahlil Okafor on Friday & D

[Sarcastic]

I'm sure this is just wishful thinking but I'm thinking the Lakers may trade Randle/Clarkson for the 76ers 3rd & get them both.


Understatement. More like pipe dream.

[Asiantastic]

It has to be either Towns or Okafor, but Towns is likely going to the TWolves, so let's just say Okafor.

Although Russell's game is silky smooth, drafting him would make Clarkson obsolete. I'd rather build around Clarkson/Randle/Okafor rather than Russell/Randle/Clarkson (off the bench or at the 2?)

[PickernRoller]

We'll get one of the best two and their success is really a toss up at this point.

Given the way the league is progressing, Okafor, a more proven scorer, would be better. These days we don't need a 7 footer to be successful. Anyone with decent size is good at the PF/C combo. Definitely don't want another Bynum - f'ck that.

League keeps dreaming of another Duncan or Dirk. Towns is not that - nor anywhere near that potentially. If we get Towns, trade his @ss for Big Cuzz, hopefully we can slap some sense into that clown.

[HOoopCityJones]

Why do people want Cousins so bad? He's most definitely skilled , but he's one of the lowest Basketball IQ players in the league imo. If we still had Phil Coaching I'd say go for it , but we have Byron , lol.

[Genaro]

Why do you keep bringing Cousins? He's not available and even if he was I serious doubt the Kings want to trade him to a division rival.

[HOoopCityJones]

Exactly, he'd go out East before he came here.

[PickernRoller]

Why do you keep bringing Cousins? He's not available and even if he was I serious doubt the Kings want to trade him to a division rival.

Kings don't care as long as the deal is sweet enough.

As to why get Cuz? Outside of DH, and Gasol jr. he's the best big with the most potential in the league. His mannerism's are indeed a big f'cking problem but all it takes is a season to change that. We call it the breakout year. Safer bet than Towns with those skinny legs.

[bobopenguin]

Why do you keep bringing Cousins? He's not available and even if he was I serious doubt the Kings want to trade him to a division rival.

hmm..
i thought i read somewhere or someone said before that no one is untradeble in SAC kings right now :o

and so whats with this division rival? u are getting either towns or okafor, someone u can definitely keep for up to 4-5 years. it would be funny when cousins wants out, and laker doesnt wanna trade no more, then kings get nothing.

[ImKobe]

Honestly, I don't care as long as it's an impact player. Many Laker fans seem to think that they are a lock to land a superstar/franchise player in the draft but realistically they should be expecting an all-star because there aren't too many KDs/ADs/Westbrooks in the world, they don't come along that often.

That being said, Russell or Okafor would be nice, both guys have the tools to produce right away, they have offense.

[ClipperRevival]

Been doing some more scouting on Russell and the more I watch, the more I like. The glaring negative that stands out is his lack of upper tier athleticism, which limits his ceiling. If the guy had elite athleticism, we could be talking about a can't miss prospect here. But as it stands, his athleticism is on par with Curry. Speaking of Curry, his game reminds me a lot of Curry. Why? There is obviously the off the charts handles and creativity with the dribble to go along with a smooth, shooting stroke. His release is also very quick and effortless. I think he can be a great 3 point shooter. He's also got Curry's court vision and passing abilities.

I mean in terms of basketball skills and what you want from a guard, this guy is off the charts for a 19 year old. He has handles, he has vision, he plays under control, he can pass the ball, he can beat you on the P&R, he can shoot and he can break down defenders and get to the rack. Now finishing at the rack is a bit tougher for him because of his lack of explosive hops but he can get there.

This guy really has special written all over him. The only thing that is holding him back, as stated before, is his average athleticism. But that never kept a guy like Harden or Ginobli or Curry from being great because they compensated for their lack of athleticism with off the charts skills/game.

I think Okafor will be a good big. His floor is not that low. But I can't pass up on a guy this polished, this skilled, who will probably be a lights out shooter and who plays with such poise and confidence. He has that Curry type of skill level and shooting ability.

I do have a strong feeling the Lakers might draft him given what he's shown on film. 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan, he has the right size. He's only 19 and he could be special. Mitch, do it!

[ClipperRevival]

It has to be either Towns or Okafor, but Towns is likely going to the TWolves, so let's just say Okafor.

Although Russell's game is silky smooth, drafting him would make Clarkson obsolete. I'd rather build around Clarkson/Randle/Okafor rather than Russell/Randle/Clarkson (off the bench or at the 2?)

The league is different today. The 1 and 2 positions are not clearly defined as in the past. Clarkson/Russell can absolutely co-exist as starters. They can alternate between the 1 and 2. Both are 6'5" and about 190, so both are big enough to play the 2 and are obviously big 1's. I think they can be that dynamic combo for us. Sort of like Curry/Klay or Wall/Beal, etc. Today, it is a guard driven league. The GSW simply confirmed this.

Russell is more polished and has more natural game but Clarkson showed late in the year that his passing abilities are pretty decent also and he's improving.

[UK2K]

I completely disagree. The game is different today where you don't need a ball dominat PG. The role between 1 and 2 is blurry. Is Curry athletic? Or Harden? Or prime Manu? No. But they all had the iq, ball handling skills and passing skills to play it. Check out his highlights. Because he isn't overly athletic, he needs to rely on skills to beat his man one on one and he does. Most guys 19 years old use athleticism and a move or two to get by guys. This guy does it in every way possible from hesitations, between the leg and going the opposite direction, inside/out, crossover, behind the back, etc. All of his moves are so smooth and in control. He's extremely polished and skilled for a 19 year old. His passing and court vision is also very impressive. He has "special" written in his game. Not his athleticism but his game.

Now I understand that in the NBA, a lot of what makes you good is athleticism. You need some. But if you have special game, you can still be great. Curry is 6'3" and has a crappy wingpsan of only 6'3". Russell is 6'5" with an almost 6'10" wingspan. So he has a better base to work with. I would say they are similiar in athleticism.

This guy gave you 19.3 ppg as a freshman and shot 42% from 3 and 75% from the FT line. I am not saying he will be special but if we take him, I am sure Mitch has a good reason for it. The guy has serious GAME. And if you have that next level game, you can be great even if your athleticism isn't great.

All of that is cool and all, but hes a 6'4 guard who can shoot and is slow, laterally and vertically.

He doesn't have quickness. Steph is quick. Kyrie is quick. Wall, Rose, Westbrook, Paul, Lawson... all quick. Quick first step, quick handles, explosive cuts.

He's none of those guys. He's a Harden, a Monta, a Derozan. He's not quick, or fast.

He will be a SG in the league. I don't care what his report says. What is the difference between him and Oladipo physically? Not a whole lot. They were practically the same players in college.

D'angelo scored more, but their play styles are very similar.

[ClipperRevival]

All of that is cool and all, but hes a 6'4 guard who can shoot and is slow, laterally and vertically.

He doesn't have quickness. Steph is quick. Kyrie is quick. Wall, Rose, Westbrook, Paul, Lawson... all quick. Quick first step, quick handles, explosive cuts.

He's none of those guys. He's a Harden, a Monta, a Derozan. He's not quick, or fast.

He will be a SG in the league. I don't care what his report says. What is the difference between him and Oladipo physically? Not a whole lot. They were practically the same players in college.

D'angelo scored more, but their play styles are very similar.

Russell is actually 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan.

And I'm sorry but there is nothing quick about Curry. He is all game/skill. I mean he's not Nash unathletic but his quickness does not stand out at all.

And I see no similarities between Oladipo and Russell. Oladipo is more like Mudiay in that he is more explosive/athletic than Russell and they relied on their athleticism to succeed. Russell is an extremely smooth, skilled and high bball iq baller. The guy just has game and doesn't rely on athleticism to get it done.

It just seems like your stuck on the idea that he has to play a certain position. Is he much more suited to play the 2? Absolutely. But does that mean he can't play the 1? Of course not. Where the issue might come down too is when he has to guard really quick 1s. And maybe that is what you were getting at because he might struggle to keep explosive, quick 1st in front of him given his average athleticism and foot speed.

[brownmamba00]

Oladipo doesn't have the shooting touch and the passing ability of a D'angelo Russell.

Stop it...weak comparison

[ClipperRevival]

Oladipo doesn't have the shooting touch and the passing ability of a D'angelo Russell.

Stop it...weak comparison

Oladipo was drafted high because he had pretty rare athleticism. Not Rose/Westbrook athleticism but pretty rare athleticism that separated him from most other guards in college. He is a strongly built, attacking/slashing type player. But he never had the polish/skills and all around game Russell showed in college.

Mudiay is a much better comparison to Oladipo. And I think Mudiay has bust written all over him because he's not as explosive as Oladipo and he doesn't do any particular thing well.

[UK2K]

Russell is actually 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan.

And I'm sorry but there is nothing quick about Curry. He is all game/skill. I mean he's not Nash unathletic but his quickness does not stand out at all.

And I see no similarities between Oladipo and Russell. Oladipo is more like Mudiay in that he is more explosive/athletic than Russell and they relied on their athleticism to succeed. Russell is an extremely smooth, skilled and high bball iq baller. The guy just has game and doesn't rely on athleticism to get it done.

It just seems like your stuck on the idea that he has to play a certain position. Is he much more suited to play the 2? Absolutely. But does that mean he can't play the 1? Of course not. Where the issue might come down too is when he has to guard really quick 1s. And maybe that is what you were getting at because he might struggle to keep explosive, quick 1st in front of him given his average athleticism and foot speed.

Lebron can play the 1 too, that doesnt mean he should, and it certainly doesnt mean hes most efficient bringing the ball up the court.

That is my point though. He doesn't have the quickness or foot speed to compete as a 1.

Steph Curry tested at the draft combine in agility and sprint right on par with Jeff Teague and Ty Lawson and pretty close to Kemba Walker, and FASTER than Lillard.

He's pretty quick, and his ball handling ability is out of this world, and has only gotten better, and quicker, these past years.

I think Russell will be a good player. I do. I just think he will be better suited as a Monta than a John Wall, and that his success in the NBA will be at the 2 spot, not the 1.

[UK2K]

Oladipo doesn't have the shooting touch and the passing ability of a D'angelo Russell.

Stop it...weak comparison

I never said he did.

But I will point out that Oladipo shot a better % from the floor and the 3pt line in college than Russell did, so I don't know exactly what you are scoffing at.

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron can play the 1 too, that doesnt mean he should, and it certainly doesnt mean hes most efficient bringing the ball up the court.

That is my point though. He doesn't have the quickness or foot speed to compete as a 1.

Steph Curry tested at the draft combine in agility and sprint right on par with Jeff Teague and Ty Lawson and pretty close to Kemba Walker, and FASTER than Lillard.

He's pretty quick, and his ball handling ability is out of this world, and has only gotten better, and quicker, these past years.

I think Russell will be a good player. I do. I just think he will be better suited as a Monta than a John Wall, and that his success in the NBA will be at the 2 spot, not the 1.

I agree, his more natural position is the 2, as I already admitted. But I think he has enough skills/handles/vision/passing abilities to play the 1 if he has too. The only issue I have is his D and keeping the explosive, quick guards in front of him. But against most 1s, he would have the size advantage on offense so he would be able to shoot over them or post them up. But I see no reason why he couldn't play the 1 and be great at it given his skill level. But he gives you versatility, that's for sure. I guess agree to disagree.

[ClipperRevival]

I never said he did.

But I will point out that Oladipo shot a better % from the floor and the 3pt line in college than Russell did, so I don't know exactly what you are scoffing at.

Not true. Oladipo shot 43% from the field and 34% from 3 (only attempted 1.2 per game) while Russell shot 44% from the field and 41% from 3 (attempting over 6 per game). So given the fact that Russell took 5 more 3s per game and his overall FG% is higher, I would say he is a significantly better shooter. But Oladipo did have the higher FT pct.

[UK2K]

Not true. Oladipo shot 43% from the field and 34% from 3 (only attempted 1.2 per game) while Russell shot 44% from the field and 41% from 3 (attempting over 6 per game). So given the fact that Russell took 5 more 3s per game and his overall FG% is higher, I would say he is a significantly better shooter. But Oladipo did have the higher FT pct.

As a junior, Oladipo shot 60% from the floor, and 44% from the 3pt line according to BR.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/victor-oladipo-1.html

Unless you are looking at his overall college stats. May be where the mix up is.

[Nastradamus]

Take Russell and never look back. His passing and shooting are special. If you're that worried about his D, take Mudiay. Okafor is good, but basically Al Jefferson. That won't make you a winner these days. Both of these guys are elite PG prospects and bulding around a guy like that is a smart move these days. Clarkston is a 3rd guard IMO. If he keeps improving he can play with either of these guys though.

[ClipperRevival]

As a junior, Oladipo shot 60% from the floor, and 44% from the 3pt line according to BR.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/victor-oladipo-1.html

Unless you are looking at his overall college stats. May be where the mix up is.

LOL. I was actually looking at his 1st year stats as a pro. I stand corrected, you are right.

But let's not forget Oladipo played 3 years in college while Russell only played 1 in college and averaged 19.3 ppg and shot 41% from 3 while attempting close to 7 a game. For a freshmen to do that, it's impressive.

[ClipperRevival]

Take Russell and never look back. His passing and shooting are special. If you're that worried about his D, take Mudiay. Okafor is good, but basically Al Jefferson. That won't make you a winner these days. Both of these guys are elite PG prospects and bulding around a guy like that is a smart move these days. Clarkston is a 3rd guard IMO. If he keeps improving he can play with either of these guys though.

Disagree about Clarkson. To me, he is a poor man's Westbrook in the way he is able to accelerate and attack the basket. The guy has rare athleticism. His feet are so quick and fluid. And his game is continuing to improve. He is definitely a starter at this level and has the potential to be better then just a starter. He's got all the raw tools and then some. He just needs to polish his overall game.

Mudiay has bust written all over him. No way should he even be considered at #2. It's either Russell or Okafor. He isn't that athletic and he doesn't really do one thing particularly well.

[Nastradamus]

Disagree about Clarkson. To me, he is a poor man's Westbrook in the way he is able to accelerate and attack the basket. The guy has rare athleticism. His feet are so quick and fluid. And his game is continuing to improve. He is definitely a starter at this level and has the potential to be better then just a starter. He's got all the raw tools and then some. He just needs to polish his overall game.

Mudiay has bust written all over him. No way should he even be considered at #2. It's either Russell or Okafor. He isn't that athletic and he doesn't really do one thing particularly well.

I see no chance Mudiay busts. The only reason people say stuff like that is that he played in China. The guys a phenomenal athlete, has great size, is a natural and instinctive playmaker(not a shoot first PG either) and can be a special defender.

Clarkston has some talent. We'll see what he does with it.

[ClipperRevival]

I see no chance Mudiay busts. The only reason people say stuff like that is that he played in China. The guys a phenomenal athlete, has great size, is a natural and instinctive playmaker(not a shoot first PG either) and can be a special defender.

Clarkston has some talent. We'll see what he does with it.

Mudiay's athleticism is completely overrated. You put him next to Clarkson and tell them to run up and down the court and change directions and explode and you will see the difference in class. Clarkson is on another level above Mudiay. He is much more fluid and quicker in his movements. Mudiay needs kind of a head start to get going. He doesn't have the suddenness like Clarkson. A lot of guys can be fast or jump high if you give them a head start but the elite ones have the suddenness in their explosion. Clarkson has it, Mudiay doesn't.

Also, his skills aren't polished. What does he really do well or excel at? In China, the guy had a PER of only 18.7. I mean if you are THAT good of a prospect, you have to shine in China. While Russell had a PER of 26.9. Clarkson will be a much better pro than Mudiay.

[Charlie Sheen]

Mudiay's athleticism is completely overrated. You put him next to Clarkson and tell them to run up and down the court and change directions and explode and you will see the difference in class. Clarkson is on another level above Mudiay. He is much more fluid and quicker in his movements. Mudiay needs kind of a head start to get going. He doesn't have the suddenness like Clarkson. A lot of guys can be fast or jump high if you give them a head start but the elite ones have the suddenness in their explosion. Clarkson has it, Mudiay doesn't.

Also, his skills aren't polished. What does he really do well or excel at? In China, the guy had a PER of only 18.7. I mean if you are THAT good of a prospect, you have to shine in China. While Russell had a PER of 26.9. Clarkson will be a much better pro than Mudiay.

I think you're being a fair bit too hard on the kid here. He was playing in that league at 18 yrs old, trying to acclimate himself to a new country, new language.

[SexSymbol]

Not true. Oladipo shot 43% from the field and 34% from 3 (only attempted 1.2 per game) while Russell shot 44% from the field and 41% from 3 (attempting over 6 per game). So given the fact that Russell took 5 more 3s per game and his overall FG% is higher, I would say he is a significantly better shooter. But Oladipo did have the higher FT pct.
get this guy no matter what

[triangleoffense]

I'm going for the strongest, most resilient player as far as mentality goes.. To say there's a lot of pressure playing in LA is an understatement.. we are like the Yankees of the NBA now that Boston only has 1 championship in the last two decades.. It was too much for both Dwight and Nash who are honestly a little soft mentally so I just hope we get someone who won't fold under pressure... I'd even be happy if we got a Derek Fisher type player who can be the glue-guy of the team.

[UK2K]

LOL. I was actually looking at his 1st year stats as a pro. I stand corrected, you are right.

But let's not forget Oladipo played 3 years in college while Russell only played 1 in college and averaged 19.3 ppg and shot 41% from 3 while attempting close to 7 a game. For a freshmen to do that, it's impressive.
Oh i think Russell has a higher ceiling and will be a better pro then Dipo.

I see Russell as a true SG. His vision is a big bonus, but I think his best strenghts will be coming off down screens, curls, and basket cuts. He's got a great imagination when it comes to putting the ball through the rim, so any time he gets the ball in the mid range area, hes a threat.

I just think he'd be more efficient as a 2, and I think sooner, rather than later, that will be his position in the NBA.

[brownmamba00]

I never said he did.

But I will point out that Oladipo shot a better % from the floor and the 3pt line in college than Russell did, so I don't know exactly what you are scoffing at.
yeah on a much lower usage rate and production

I like Oladipo and those 3 years in college helped him become an all round beast which he is now in the NBA.

but don't sit there and act like oladipo was anything close to russell's level even back in college...

freshman Russell: 19/6/5, 44%FG and 40% from 3

freshman Dipo: 7/4/1 54%FG and 30% from 3

even a third year Oladipo can't touch Russell production wise.

also the whole he's slow and unathletic thingy is bullshit...the only thing he's missing is explosiveness going to the rim but that can be fixed and masked by a NBA team.

[UK2K]

I see no chance Mudiay busts. The only reason people say stuff like that is that he played in China. The guys a phenomenal athlete, has great size, is a natural and instinctive playmaker(not a shoot first PG either) and can be a special defender.

Clarkston has some talent. We'll see what he does with it.

Im also in the group that thinks he may not be as good as advertised. Solid player, sure, but not worthy of a top 3 pick.

[Rooster]

Been doing some more scouting on Russell and the more I watch, the more I like. The glaring negative that stands out is his lack of upper tier athleticism, which limits his ceiling. If the guy had elite athleticism, we could be talking about a can't miss prospect here. But as it stands, his athleticism is on par with Curry. Speaking of Curry, his game reminds me a lot of Curry. Why? There is obviously the off the charts handles and creativity with the dribble to go along with a smooth, shooting stroke. His release is also very quick and effortless. I think he can be a great 3 point shooter. He's also got Curry's court vision and passing abilities.

I mean in terms of basketball skills and what you want from a guard, this guy is off the charts for a 19 year old. He has handles, he has vision, he plays under control, he can pass the ball, he can beat you on the P&R, he can shoot and he can break down defenders and get to the rack. Now finishing at the rack is a bit tougher for him because of his lack of explosive hops but he can get there.

This guy really has special written all over him. The only thing that is holding him back, as stated before, is his average athleticism. But that never kept a guy like Harden or Ginobli or Curry from being great because they compensated for their lack of athleticism with off the charts skills/game.

I think Okafor will be a good big. His floor is not that low. But I can't pass up on a guy this polished, this skilled, who will probably be a lights out shooter and who plays with such poise and confidence. He has that Curry type of skill level and shooting ability.

I do have a strong feeling the Lakers might draft him given what he's shown on film. 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan, he has the right size. He's only 19 and he could be special. Mitch, do it!

When you said average athleticism, I can't convince myself taking him at number 2. Sure he could turn out to be Harden but he can also turn out like OJ Mayo. Mayo averaged like 20 ppg and shot 41% on 3s taking 6.5 shots a game too when he was at USC with a well rounded game too just like Russell.

[UK2K]

yeah on a much lower usage rate and production

I like Oladipo and those 3 years in college helped him become an all round beast which he is now in the NBA.

but don't sit there and act like oladipo was anything close to russell's level even back in college...

freshman Russell: 19/6/5, 44%FG and 40% from 3

freshman Dipo: 7/4/1 54%FG and 30% from 3

even a third year Oladipo can't touch Russell production wise.

also the whole he's slow and unathletic thingy is bullshit...the only thing he's missing is explosiveness going to the rim but that can be fixed and masked by a NBA team.

Ok... Per 40:

Oladipo
19, 9, 3, 3 steals 60/44/75

Russell
23, 7, 6 45/41/76

So what's your idea of touching? Seems like he's pretty close to me. You can look at stats which is cool and all, but if you don't look at the column that says 'MPG', they can be deceiving.

Yes Dipo was a JR. I didn't say anything about that. I don't care. It's irrelevant what he did as a freshman because he wasn't drafted as a freshman.

Also, nobody said be was slow. I said he wasn't quick enough to play 1 in the league.

[Rooster]

I think you're being a fair bit too hard on the kid here. He was playing in that league at 18 yrs old, trying to acclimate himself to a new country, new language.

Nah he was right, it's still a game of basketball. In fact, most of our scrubs are putting ridiculous stats over there. Erick McCollum was averaging like 40ppg. If Mudlay was that special then he could have easily average 30 playing 31 mpg a game.

[ClipperRevival]

I think you're being a fair bit too hard on the kid here. He was playing in that league at 18 yrs old, trying to acclimate himself to a new country, new language.

Perhaps. I'll be honest, I haven't watched too much tape on Mudiay. Just enough to know that his athleticism isn't that special. But since we aren't going to take him, I don't feel the need to do any further scouting on him.

[ClipperRevival]

When you said average athleticism, I can't convince myself taking him at number 2. Sure he could turn out to be Harden but he can also turn out like OJ Mayo. Mayo averaged like 20 ppg and shot 41% on 3s taking 6.5 shots a game too when he was at USC with a well rounded game too just like Russell.

True. But to me, basketball is also a lot of what's between the ears. OJ seemed to lack the drive to be great. Russell studies the game and feels confident in his abilities and wants to be great. Also, Russell has an inch in height on OJ and 4 inches in wingspan. So he is taller and longer and has a better base to work with.

I honestly think Russell's floor is a Tyreke Evans with a 3 point shot. Not very explosive but has the ability to create his own shot. And that's not THAT bad. I think his ceiling is Steph Curry type player. I really do. He's got the sick game to go with the 3 point shot. You seldom see a 19 year old with this much polish, skill and shooting abilities.

[brownmamba00]

When you said average athleticism, I can't convince myself taking him at number 2. Sure he could turn out to be Harden but he can also turn out like OJ Mayo. Mayo averaged like 20 ppg and shot 41% on 3s taking 6.5 shots a game too when he was at USC with a well rounded game too just like Russell.
Mayo didn't have the court vision Russ has tho...btw OJ had the talent to make it work but his mentality was so shit, MJ personally had to bring him back down to earth. (which I think ****ed with his confidence later on his NBA career)

[brownmamba00]

Ok... Per 40:

Oladipo
19, 9, 3, 3 steals 60/44/75

Russell
23, 7, 6 45/41/76

So what's your idea of touching? Seems like he's pretty close to me. You can look at stats which is cool and all, but if you don't look at the column that says 'MPG', they can be deceiving.

Yes Dipo was a JR. I didn't say anything about that. I don't care. It's irrelevant what he did as a freshman because he wasn't drafted as a freshman.
per 40? really?

freshman 18 yo russell was the man on that ohio state team
meanwhile freshman Oladipo couldn't come off the bench

I don't think it's close at all really I never saw Dipo throw bullet bounce passes the way Russ does nor take pull up 3s in transition a la Steph Curry and make em like Russ.

I think there is a seriously big difference in class and skill between the two players which will become obvious when Russ makes his NBA debut next year

[Rooster]

Mayo didn't have the court vision Russ has tho...btw OJ had the talent to make it work but his mentality was so shit, MJ personally had to bring him back down to earth. (which I think ****ed with his confidence later on his NBA career)

He had the right mentality, he was full of confidence and swagger coming in but maybe just not talented . That's why I'm concerned when people are saying Russell has average athleticism, I dunno if his size is enough to compensate for it but if he can play the 1 or if his offense is elite enough, teams might be able to hide him defensively. You're right about Mayo court vision, he does not have that floor generalship, he's mainly looking for his shots.

[brandonislegend]

Why the hell are people talking about oladipo in here.... Comparing him to Russell? Holy shit that's bad.

[Lakers13]

Okafor or Towns, either one is fine. no real preference. You either get the all around stud or what could be a a beast in the post

[ClipperRevival]

OJ also had conditioning issues which indicates he wasn't taking his profession seriously. He just never came across as a guy who wanted to be great but just kind of showed up and wanted to do his thing. That's not enough at the NBA level. You have too continue to work on your game, especially if you lack elite athleticism.

[IncarceratedBob]

Oladipo is a borderline NBA player, if D Russ is drawing comparisons to him then it's a sign to pass on him.

okafor is the obvious choice, kris is the risky pick but the lakers dont have the balls to take him.

[ClipperRevival]

He had the right mentality, he was full of confidence and swagger coming in but maybe just not talented . That's why I'm concerned when people are saying Russell has average athleticism, I dunno if his size is enough to compensate for it but if he can play the 1 or if his offense is elite enough, teams might be able to hide him defensively. You're right about Mayo court vision, he does not have that floor generalship, he's mainly looking for his shots.

But your comparison to OJ kind of holds merit in that both lacked athleticism coming out of college and both got drafted high for their skills and shooting. Both also only played 1 year of college ball and both shot the 3 well and scored about 20 ppg as freshmen.

If Russell doesn't take his game seriously and doesn't work on his game like Mayo, he could end up just like him. But watching how he conducts himself, I don't see it. I see him maximizing his talents.

[UK2K]

per 40? really?

freshman 18 yo russell was the man on that ohio state team
meanwhile freshman Oladipo couldn't come off the bench

I don't think it's close at all really I never saw Dipo throw bullet bounce passes the way Russ does nor take pull up 3s in transition a la Steph Curry and make em like Russ.

I think there is a seriously big difference in class and skill between the two players which will become obvious when Russ makes his NBA debut next year

Yes, per 40 is how you compare college players. Just like per 36 is how you compare NBA players.

And no, Dipo was never a passer. But he was a scorer, and a great defender. And he was a playmaker, like Russell.

You can argue intangibles all you want, but the fact remains they had similar production the year before they were drafted (minus the ridiculous discrepancy in FG%). Yes, Dipo's stats 'touched' Russell's. Yes Russell has better vision (I said that about 2 posts ago), yes Dipo is a better defender.

The comparison was that both were ball handlers in college, and both should (will) be 2 guards in the NBA. Hulls was IU's point guard back in the day, but he only handled the ball until half court, then it was Dipo's show.

[SwishSquared]

Ok... Per 40:

Oladipo
19, 9, 3, 3 steals 60/44/75

Russell
23, 7, 6 45/41/76

So what's your idea of touching? Seems like he's pretty close to me. You can look at stats which is cool and all, but if you don't look at the column that says 'MPG', they can be deceiving.

Yes Dipo was a JR. I didn't say anything about that. I don't care. It's irrelevant what he did as a freshman because he wasn't drafted as a freshman.

Also, nobody said be was slow. I said he wasn't quick enough to play 1 in the league.You're comparing a guy who had 2 more years of seasoning to a guy who carried his squad offensively as a freshman. That's not exactly a fair comparison. I understand why you're comparing them when they were coming into the NBA, but if you are giving Dipo credit for his progression from freshman to junior, you have to at least consider that Russell at 21 should have a nice upward trajectory, too. Russell's had a major rise in just the last year.

Also, who cares if he's going to guard the other team's PG full time or not or if he dribbles the ball from the baseline to past halfcourt? Draft BPA and fill in the gaps later. If he's your main offensive initiator in the halfcourt and that's his strongsuit, along with efficient shooting from deep on relatively high volume, you pair him with a guy in backcourt who can help him out on defense. His wingspan is 0.5" less that of Winslow and he understands D. He chooses not to pay attention or give the effort, which is a big problem if he doesn't fix it. But he knows where he should be. Dude's a very smart, young player. His length, along with increased motivation, should make him passable in a team D structure eventually. I don't think he'll be Lillard-awful on defense.

We should stop using athletic freaks like peak Rose, Westbrook, and Wall when evaluating PGs in this class. None of the guys in this class touch them athletically.

Also, Monta's pretty darn quick. Maybe he just benefits from having a SG check him, but he thrived as the primary ballhandler on Dallas. If they had a better team surrounding him, I think they'd have more playoff success. I actually think Harden's pretty athletic. He moves very well offensively for a guy with his frame imo. Now the defense...

[ClipperRevival]

I was listening to the radio here in Los Angeles yesterday and some ESPN Analytics guy said based on their analysis of crunching a bunch of data, Russell has the best chance to be a superstar (15%) and 2nd was Towns (13%).

[UK2K]

You're comparing a guy who had 2 more years of seasoning to a guy who carried his squad offensively as a freshman. That's not exactly a fair comparison. I understand why you're comparing them when they were coming into the NBA, but if you are giving Dipo credit for his progression from freshman to junior, you have to at least consider that Russell at 21 should have a nice upward trajectory, too. Russell's had a major rise in just the last year.

Also, who cares if he's going to guard the other team's PG full time or not or if he dribbles the ball from the baseline to past halfcourt? Draft BPA and fill in the gaps later. If he's your main offensive initiator in the halfcourt and that's his strongsuit, along with efficient shooting from deep on relatively high volume, you pair him with a guy in backcourt who can help him out on defense. His wingspan is 0.5" less that of Winslow and he understands D. He chooses not to pay attention or give the effort, which is a big problem if he doesn't fix it. But he knows where he should be. Dude's a very smart, young player. His length, along with increased motivation, should make him passable in a team D structure eventually. I don't think he'll be Lillard-awful on defense.

We should stop using athletic freaks like peak Rose, Westbrook, and Wall when evaluating PGs in this class. None of the guys in this class touch them athletically.

Also, Monta's pretty darn quick. Maybe he just benefits from having a SG check him, but he thrived as the primary ballhandler on Dallas. If they had a better team surrounding him, I think they'd have more playoff success. I actually think Harden's pretty athletic. He moves very well offensively for a guy with his frame imo. Now the defense...

Holy shit.

All I said was both were primary ball handlers in college and both will be 2 guards in the league. Then I compared their stats for a guy who said Dipo 'couldn't touch Russell', and shockingly, their stats were pretty similar.

I also said Russell will be the better pro and has a higher ceiling.

What is this? Like the D'angelo Russell fan club or some shit?

[brandonislegend]

Honestly what the hell is the point of bringing up Oladipo to compare him to Russell....Are you going to compare Okafor to Dwight Howard next?

They are not similar style players at all.

[UK2K]

Honestly what the hell is the point of bringing up Oladipo to compare him to Russell....Are you going to compare Okafor to Dwight Howard next?

They are not similar style players at all.

Because they are 2 guards who were the team's primary ball handler in college. This whole thing began because I said Russell will be a 2 guard in the league, despite playing point in college, JUST LIKE OLADIPO DID

Try and follow along. Start by reading the full discussion.

[brandonislegend]

A lot of guards are primary ball handlers in college.

[UK2K]

A lot of guards are primary ball handlers in college.

A lot of point guards. Ironic isn't it.

[ClipperRevival]

Man i'll be pissed if we take Okafor and Russell turns into a freaken stud and becomes a top 10, elite player in this league. I am taking Russell and rolling the dice if it were up to me. If Okafor had the athleticism to boot, it would be a no brainer. But that's where he's different from a guy like Embiid or Howard or Ewing or Robinson or Olajuwon. All those guys had the athleticism to protect the paint. Not Okafor.

[brownmamba00]

Holy shit.

All I said was both were primary ball handlers in college and both will be 2 guards in the league. Then I compared their stats for a guy who said Dipo 'couldn't touch Russell', and shockingly, their stats were pretty similar.

I also said Russell will be the better pro and has a higher ceiling.

What is this? Like the D'angelo Russell fan club or some shit?
you talked shit about the dude saying he can't play point because he's too slow :oldlol: while he obviously can play point and has played point his entire life.

and how the hell are the stats close when one guy in his third year in college barely avgd

13/6/2

while the freshman got 19/5/6

like for real?

[brandonislegend]

Russell >>> Dipo in terms of being a PG.

Dipo is an undersized 2 guard and Russell is a huge PG.

[ClipperRevival]

Dipo has some potential. He's pretty explosive and has size/strength. He could be a good one. Anytime you have the athleticism, you have a chance to be good if you work on your game.

But his game is nothing like Russell so it's really pointless comparing the two.

[SwishSquared]

Holy shit.

All I said was both were primary ball handlers in college and both will be 2 guards in the league. Then I compared their stats for a guy who said Dipo 'couldn't touch Russell', and shockingly, their stats were pretty similar.

I also said Russell will be the better pro and has a higher ceiling.

What is this? Like the D'angelo Russell fan club or some shit?I'm sorry if it came off the way, man- I'm not trying to troll and be facetious or anything. I'm not a Russell stan lol, I'm just trying to say that in comparing junior year stats vs. freshman year stats, you can't simply brush off the fact Dipo came a loooong way with 2 extra years of development. I think you can't ignore his previous 2 years and just focus on his last. We're projecting guys here and Dipo grew a ton. Russell grew a ton in the last year- who had him penciled in as a top 4 pick a year ago?

I'm not disagreeing with you on his position, ceiling, etc. I think in modern day game, we're not pigeon-holing guys into 1 position anymore. Ideally every starter can play 2 positions or more. If a guy can't dribble up the floor but can initiate the O in the halfcourt, that's fine. If he can do both? That's better.

Anyway, who here even thought Dipo was a PG coming into the draft? Russell blurs lines with his outside shooting, so I get the debate.

I don't want you to think I'm bashing you or something man. I just thought in evaluating anybody, that wasn't a good method of doing that. I'm long-winded my man haha, my bad for the essay.
:cheers:

[UK2K]

you talked shit about the dude saying he can't play point because he's too slow :oldlol: while he obviously can play point and has played point his entire life.

and how the hell are the stats close when one guy in his third year in college barely avgd

13/6/2

while the freshman got 19/5/6

like for real?

Nobody called him slow.

Are their stats not close? Did I ask what year they were? Were they looking at Dipo's freshman year stats on draft night?

Are you retarded? Serious question.

[UK2K]

I'm sorry if it came off the way, man- I'm not trying to troll and be facetious or anything. I'm not a Russell stan lol, I'm just trying to say that in comparing junior year stats vs. freshman year stats, you can't simply brush off the fact Dipo came a loooong way with 2 extra years of development. I think you can't ignore his previous 2 years and just focus on his last. We're projecting guys here and Dipo grew a ton. Russell grew a ton in the last year- who had him penciled in as a top 4 pick a year ago?

I'm not disagreeing with you on his position, ceiling, etc. I think in modern day game, we're not pigeon-holing guys into 1 position anymore. Ideally every starter can play 2 positions or more. If a guy can't dribble up the floor but can initiate the O in the halfcourt, that's fine. If he can do both? That's better.

Anyway, who here even thought Dipo was a PG coming into the draft? Russell blurs lines with his outside shooting, so I get the debate.

I don't want you to think I'm bashing you or something man. I just thought in evaluating anybody, that wasn't a good method of doing that. I'm long-winded my man haha, my bad for the essay.
:cheers:

No worries.

But shit lol I mean I simply said Russell will not be a PG in the NBA. He may start out that way, but at some point they will realize hes more suited to be an NBA 2 than a 1. Look at Monta Ellis.

FOR F*** SAKE I AM NOT COMPARING THE TWO SKILL WISE I AM JUST USING HIS NAME AS AN EXAMPLE.

I think Russell is, by a wide margin, the 3rd best player behind Towns and Okafor. Those two will go 1/2. If I am NY, I make a move for him, because he's legit.

But I think we will all see him, with his length, shooting, and average quickness (did I say he was slow? No, I said he was average, there is a difference), he is more suited to be a 2 on offense, but especially on defense. Someone like him could give other 2's fits if he put his mind to it.

In today's game, the point guard being able to control the game is important. That job is more suited for Tyus Jones or Payne than Russell.

EDIT: Most of the smartassness was directed to BrownMamba.

[brandonislegend]

Nobody called him slow.

Are their stats not close? Did I ask what year they were? Were they looking at Dipo's freshman year stats on draft night?

Are you retarded? Serious question.

No they didn't because Oladipo wouldn't have been drafted as a freshmen.

[UK2K]

No they didn't because Oladipo wouldn't have been drafted as a freshmen.

That's why its irrelevant.

[brandonislegend]

That's why its irrelevant.
Because Russell is a better player and comparing Russell and Oladipo is completely random.

[UK2K]

Because Russell is a better player
I agree. I said that.


and comparing Russell and Oladipo is completely random.

Other than that they both were primary ball handlers in college and will be SG's in the pros, you're right.

[brownmamba00]

yeah you did call him slow and then you proceded pulling things out your ass bringing up per 40 and actin like their stats are close :lol

**** outta here man take some pills or some shit you schizo

[brandonislegend]

Russell will be a PG though. Every single website, scout, analysis has him listed as a point guard and his skillset is built for a NBA point guard.

[UK2K]

yeah you did call him slow and then you proceded pulling out things out your ass bringing up per 40 and actin like their stats are close :lol

**** outta here man take some pills or some shit you schizo

:facepalm

Too slow to be a point guard.

Then you said:



even a third year Oladipo can't touch Russell production wise.
.

Which, I showed you he can. Anything else?

[UK2K]

Russell will be a PG though. Every single website, scout, analysis has him listed as a point guard and his skillset is built for a NBA point guard.

You need to call and tell the voters of the 'Jerry West Shooting Guard of the Year Award' there has been a mistake.

[brownmamba00]

you didn't show me shit bruh

in his 3rd year in college 21-22 yo Victor Oladipo averaged 13/6/2 in 28 min

while 18-19 yo freshman D'Angelo Russell had 19/5/6 this year in 33 min

but yeah they are very comparable players right?:hammerhead:

nuff said i'm done here

[UK2K]

you didn't show me shit bruh

in his 3rd year in college 21-22 yo Victor Oladipo averaged 13/6/2 in 28 min

while 18-19 yo freshman D'Angelo Russell had 19/5/6 this year in 33 min

but yeah they are very comparable players right?:hammerhead:

nuff said i'm done here

:facepalm

Bye, Felicia.

[HOoopCityJones]

Mike Trudell ‏@LakersReporter Jahlil Okafor is at the LAL practice facility today for a 2nd workout. As is typical for 2nd workouts, the session is not open to the media.

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus Lakers will get 2nd workout with Jahlil Okafor today - also Saturday/Wednesday other "2nd workouts" of other #2 options - no media avail

[SwishSquared]

No worries.

But shit lol I mean I simply said Russell will not be a PG in the NBA. He may start out that way, but at some point they will realize hes more suited to be an NBA 2 than a 1. Look at Monta Ellis.

FOR F*** SAKE I AM NOT COMPARING THE TWO SKILL WISE I AM JUST USING HIS NAME AS AN EXAMPLE.

I think Russell is, by a wide margin, the 3rd best player behind Towns and Okafor. Those two will go 1/2. If I am NY, I make a move for him, because he's legit.

But I think we will all see him, with his length, shooting, and average quickness (did I say he was slow? No, I said he was average, there is a difference), he is more suited to be a 2 on offense, but especially on defense. Someone like him could give other 2's fits if he put his mind to it.

In today's game, the point guard being able to control the game is important. That job is more suited for Tyus Jones or Payne than Russell.

EDIT: Most of the smartassness was directed to BrownMamba.It's all good. I think you hit the nail on the head in many regards. Reading back through my posts I kinda sounded like a stickler, so my bad.

As an aside, what do you make of Tyus Jones? Is he a starting-caliber guy a few years from now or is he best suited as a career sparkplug for ~20 mins per game?

Not a LAL fan but they should go Okafor. At worst, trade him for something else if a trade pops up.