Marc Stein Witnessed LeBron Disrespecting David Blatt And Calls Out LeBron

[DavisWarriorsFan]

[QUOTE]I have a question for LeBron James that I really hope he'll field someday.

A question that can be asked a variety of ways.

What kind of coach do you want?

Who out there is a coach you'd actually like to play for?

Who could ‎the Cleveland Cavaliers hire that you'd give some meaningful backing?

I don't have the answers to any of those queries. Cavs assistant coach Ty Lue is my best guess.

I know this much, though: LeBron James is too brilliant as a basketball player, too truly great, to behave the way he did toward David Blatt during the NBA Finals.

We literally saw peak LeBron and the corresponding LeBron nadir over those six gripping games with Golden State. He ‎had staffers from the 67-win Warriors almost quaking at night in fear of the havoc he was wreaking, such was his genius in controlling tempo and carrying a skeleton of a roster to a 2-1 lead that actually made you think the Cavs could win it all with Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and his beloved Anderson Varejao all sidelined.

And we likewise saw LeBron emasculate Blatt in ways that are simply unbecoming of a player of James' legend-in-the-making stature.

I saw it from close range in my role as sideline reporter through the Finals for ESPN Radio. LeBron essentially calling timeouts and making substitutions. LeBron openly barking at Blatt after decisions he didn't like. LeBron huddling frequently with Lue and so often looking at anyone other than Blatt.

There was LeBron, in one instance I witnessed from right behind the bench, shaking his head vociferously in protest after one play Blatt drew up in the third quarter of Game 5, amounting to the loudest nonverbal scolding you could imagine.

Which forced Blatt, in front of his whole team, to wipe the board clean and draw up something else.

I understand LeBron had no input into Blatt

[RedBlackAttack]

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming

Looks like Windhorst isn't lying about the LeBron not respecting David Blatt after all.
This is being discussed in the other thread. Not sure we need two conversations about the same thing. Maybe move it over there?

[1987_Lakers]

I also heard Stephen A. Smith on First Take yesterday saying he has heard from people in the organization that the players don't even listen to Blatt because "he doesn't know what the hell he is doing."

[Meticode]

I also heard Stephen A. Smith on First Take yesterday saying he has heard from people in the organization that the players don't even listen to Blatt because "he doesn't know what the hell he is doing."
That quote almost makes me think he's not coming back unless someone stands up for him. Smith said the person within the organization told him in so many words,

"LeBron has respect for Blatt as a man, a father, a great career, but how can you support a person who doesn't have a damn clue."

[IncarceratedBob]

Stein is a fraud and is notorious for fabricating stories in order to get views.

[mehyaM24]

watching lebron play the game is must see, but WTF is his problem? blatt does not deserve the type of vitriol he's getting. smh.

[daily]

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming

Looks like Windhorst isn't lying about the LeBron not respecting David Blatt after all.

Tough position for Blatt. Wouldn't surprise me to see a blowup between these two down the road.

[Meticode]

Stein is a fraud and is notorious for fabricating stories in order to get views.
You don't need to have Stein's story to look over at the bench during timeouts to see there is an issue between the coach and the players. There's a disconnect.

[warriorfan]

Anyone who gets in the way of LeBron Ball is an enemy to James

[HOoopCityJones]

Ultimate Teammate and leader :applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

I also heard Stephen A. Smith on First Take yesterday saying he has heard from people in the organization that the players don't even listen to Blatt because "he doesn't know what the hell he is doing."
So, we have... Winhorst, SAS and Stein.

Is that the trifecta of know-nothing sensationalist attention whores? If I hear something from David Aldridge or one of the really clued in Cavs beat reporters, I'll take it seriously.

Smith is a flat-out joke. As much as I despise Windhorst, he's 100x more reliable than that retard.

[Jameerthefear]

So, we have... Winhorst, SAS and Stein.

Is that the trifecta of know-nothing sensationalist attention whores? If I hear something from David Aldridge or one of the really clued in Cavs beat reporters, I'll take it seriously.

Smith is a flat-out joke. As much as I despise Windhorst, he's 100x more reliable than that retard.
stein is not a joke. stein is worth his ****ing salt

[HOoopCityJones]

Smith is whatever at breaking scoops , but if there's one thing he's good at breaking, it's league gossip.

[1987_Lakers]

So, we have... Winhorst, SAS and Stein.

Is that the trifecta of know-nothing sensationalist attention whores? If I hear something from David Aldridge or one of the really clued in Cavs beat reporters, I'll take it seriously.

Smith is a flat-out joke. As much as I despise Windhorst, he's 100x more reliable than that retard.

Dude you are in denial, just accept you guys hired the wrong coach.

[Cleverness]

Steve Kerr was interested in hiring Blatt before he got the Cav's job. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/warriors-pursuing-maccabi-tel-aviv-coach-david-blatt-for-steve-kerr-s-staff-001311942.html

How awesome would it be if Blatt gets fired, Steve Kerr hires him on as an assistant, and wins another championship?:bowdown:

[Smook B]

You don't need to have Stein's story to look over at the bench during timeouts to see there is an issue between the coach and the players. There's a disconnect.

http://i.gyazo.com/35901653b79b9cd26a3ec11b7f95f058.png

[Magic 32]

Lebron needs a human pi

[RedBlackAttack]

Dude you are in denial, just accept you guys hired the wrong coach.

Michael Lee ‏@MrMichaelLee 17m17 minutes ago
LeBron on Blatt on June 1: "Being a rookie coach in the NBA & being able to take this team to the Finals, I think he's done a hell of a job"


I'll say it again... if something were to happen to Blatt this offseason, it is an indictment of LeBron, not Blatt or the Cavs. The fact that you're actually taking SAS seriously is kind of alarming tbh. At least Stein and Windhorst are both calling out James as being the primary reason, if there is an issue here. SAS is just pathetic.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Michael Lee ‏@MrMichaelLee 17m17 minutes ago
LeBron on Blatt on June 1: "Being a rookie coach in the NBA & being able to take this team to the Finals, I think he's done a hell of a job"


I'll say it again... if something were to happen to Blatt this offseason, it is an indictment of LeBron, not Blatt or the Cavs. The fact that you're actually taking SAS seriously is kind of alarming tbh.
I'll take 2 reporters who witnessed LeBron's behavior towards Blatt over LeBron's trying to be buddy-buddy with Blatt during that press conference on june 1st.

[Smook B]

David Blatt does looks like a coach that would get pushed around easily.

[ISHGoat]

As great of a player as Lebron is, he genuinely seems like a bitch

All he does is bitch at teammates, whine at refs, and disrespect coaches. Even if you dont like your coach, atleast try to set an example for the rest of the young guys on your team.

I am seriously considering my lebron standom going into the next season

[R.I.P.]

The reason LeBron won a Championship in Miami is that he put his little dick on table and said I want this and that. Then Pat Riley pulled his big dick out and said I

[avonbarksdale]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Lebron needs a human pi

[navy]

Cavs just had a press conference. Blatt is staying.

[Heatles201]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]The reason LeBron won a Championship in Miami is that he put his little dick on table and said I want this and that. Then Pat Riley pulled his big dick out and said I

[NumberSix]

Why does Stepehen A. Keep saying LeBron wants Mark Jackson? Doesn't this playoffs prove that Mark Jackson sucks?

[rmt]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Lebron needs a human pi

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs are currently having their end-of-season presser with Blatt and Griff, for those interested.

Blatt isn't going anywhere, fwiw.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/live

[navy]

Why does Stepehen A. Keep saying LeBron wants Mark Jackson? Doesn't this playoffs prove that Mark Jackson sucks?
He also says Lebron is considering going to the Knicks.

[RedBlackAttack]

Why does Stepehen A. Keep saying LeBron wants Mark Jackson? Doesn't this playoffs prove that Mark Jackson sucks?
...because he's an idiot. Smith's takes are usually pretty weak, but he has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to the Cavs in particular. The stuff he says is just laughable.

[PJR]

This is awful. Highly disrespectful.

This is what he wanted, though. Puppet of a coach. All the power.

[RedBlackAttack]

This is awful. Highly disrespectful.

This is what he wanted, though. All the power.
Blatt says it is complete bullsh!t, essentially. Watch live.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/live



Also, is this really all that new even if it is true?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/0%20bandwagoners/ea57b466.gif

Newsflash: LeBron is difficult to coach.

[Akrazotile]

So, we have... Winhorst, SAS and Stein.

Is that the trifecta of know-nothing sensationalist attention whores? If I hear something from David Aldridge or one of the really clued in Cavs beat reporters, I'll take it seriously.

Smith is a flat-out joke. As much as I despise Windhorst, he's 100x more reliable than that retard.


Dude, do you really need ANY third parties to validate this notion? Everyone watching the games has seen it.

[RedBlackAttack]

Griffin: "Relative to the stories, I really don't care. Sensationalism sells and that's what you're seeing. They are being sensational just for the sake of it. This narrative never really has to go away regardless of how many games we win or how well we do, because it is all conjecture. So, I don't care. David has done a heck of a job tuning out the noise. That's all we care about."

Clearly going to be fired.

[Meticode]

:roll: @ Bruce Drennan

[R.I.P.]

I don't think there are a lot if any high school kids ( 17-18) Who would pick college over being the number one overall pick in the NBA.

Yeah they picked him to play basketball not to play GM. Or have you seen any 45 year old Harvard business graduates trying to insert themselves into a NBA S5, cause they did an excellent job as a GM.

[navy]

:roll: @ Bruce Drennan
Sources.

[RedBlackAttack]

Dude, do you really need ANY third parties to validate this notion? Everyone watching the games has seen it.
Reporters aren't assigned to cover the state of the bench during games. They're supposed to be watching the games. Windhorst and his cohorts see what they want to see in terms of interpersonal communication between coaches/players on the sidelines.

These guys are under a microscope because LeBron James sells and LeBron controversies especially sell.

All I care about is the product on the floor and the Cavs' improvement was huge as the season went on, especially as a unit defensively. In the last 36 games that LeBron, Kyrie and Love played together, they were 33-3. Meanwhile, the defensive gameplanning throughout the playoffs was top notch.

Whether Blatt and LeBron are buddies? I don't care and I'm not sure why others are so invested. Well, I know why SAS, Windy and Stein are... all three happen to work for ESPN.

But why would I care?

[Euroleague]

stein is not a joke. stein is worth his ****ing salt

I have read many articles written by Stein that contained completely made up things and outright lies in them.

[franchise#3]

LeBron comes off as anti-semitic tbh

[Meticode]

Sources.
https://twitter.com/WillBurge/status/611628712933654528

:roll:

[Euroleague]

So, we have... Winhorst, SAS and Stein.

Is that the trifecta of know-nothing sensationalist attention whores? If I hear something from David Aldridge or one of the really clued in Cavs beat reporters, I'll take it seriously.

Smith is a flat-out joke. As much as I despise Windhorst, he's 100x more reliable than that retard.

Is this the same David Aldridge that asked Kostas Papanikolaou how hard it was to adjust to the NBA from playing in the Euroleague, "where the game is so much slower because they have a 35 second shot clock"?

THAT David Aldridge?

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:rolleyes:

[navy]

https://twitter.com/WillBurge/status/611628712933654528

:roll:
Needs own thread. :roll:

[Akrazotile]

Reporters aren't assigned to cover the state of the bench during games. They're supposed to be watching the games. Windhorst and his cohorts see what they want to see in terms of interpersonal communication between coaches/players on the sidelines.

These guys are under a microscope because LeBron James sells and LeBron controversies especially sell.

All I care about is the product on the floor and the Cavs' improvement was huge as the season went on, especially as a unit defensively. In the last 36 games that LeBron, Kyrie and Love played together, they were 33-3. Meanwhile, the defensive gameplanning throughout the playoffs was top notch.

Whether Blatt and LeBron are buddies? I don't care and I'm not sure why others are so invested. Well, I know why SAS, Windy and Stein are... all three happen to work for ESPN.

But why would I care?


Im not saying you should, but you seemed to be discrediting the accuracy of their reports on this topic.

What they are stating as far as a clear demonstration of disrespect by Lebron is pretty clearly accurate. One doesnt even need their reports to see it. It's been obvious during the game broadcasts and media sessions.

[PJR]

Blatt says it is complete bullsh!t, essentially. Watch live.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/live



Also, is this really all that new even if it is true?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/0%20bandwagoners/ea57b466.gif

Newsflash: LeBron is difficult to coach.

Lol of course Blatt is going to toe the company line. He doesn't want LeBron to fire him.

Don't be naive. Marc Stein is a credible reporter.

[Jameerthefear]

I have read many articles written by Stein that contained completely made up things and outright lies in them.
So you guys have something in common.

[R.I.P.]

Lol of course Blatt is going to toe the company line. He doesn't want LeBron to fire him.

Don't be naive. Marc Stein is a credible reporter.

Exactly.

[Done_And_Done]

RBA - Do you think the Cavs/Lebron would be better off if he just focused solely on playing the game, being a leader etc... Rather than trying to micromanage, draw up x's and o's or undermine the decisions made by his coach?

You can argue that his efforts were successful on most accounts. I mean the team was 2 games shy of taking down the leagues monster squad.

Or is this simply a product of who Lebron is and there's no altering that behaviour. He seems like a very hands on fellow who needs to impart his expertise. What would you like to see happen? What's best for the team?

[RedBlackAttack]

Im not saying you should, but you seemed to be discrediting the accuracy of their reports on this topic.

What they are stating as far as a clear demonstration of disrespect by Lebron is pretty clearly accurate. One doesnt even need their reports to see it. It's been obvious during the game broadcasts and media sessions.
Oh, I am. I think it is 100% sensationalist nonsense. It is attempting to psychoanalyze from afar, which is never a good idea. These guys -- in particular -- are actively looking for cues to reinforce a preconceived narrative that just also happens to get a lot of web clicks.

How many other reporters devote time to dissecting the interpersonal communications between players and coaches on the sidelines and on the bench? How many other teams are constantly under fire like this? I've frankly never seen anything like it... because under normal circumstances, no one gives a sh!t.

First, it was LeBron and Kyrie. Then it was LeBron and Love. Now, it is LeBron and Blatt. There's a common denominator here, and I don't think it is an accident that it is the guy who sells a lot of copy.


Is it possible that Blatt and LeBron had disagreements during the course of the playoffs? I'm sure it is possible. However, is this something that is completely out of the ordinary in the NBA, or is it something that happens occasionally around the league with coaches and star players, except there's no reporters sitting there and over-analyzing every second of every game?

Again, until I see something from a reporter I actually respect or unless it bleeds over onto the floor and impacts the team, I don't care if it is true or not. And, if it is true, I'd question how rare it is.

The only rarity here is the level of scrutiny this team is constantly under and unfortunately that is part of the package deal with LeBron. I wish he did more to diffuse situations like this, but it isn't in his personality.

[Magic 32]

he only does stuff like this so people think hes some great leader

i remember later in this game they showed him next to chalmers on the bench and lebron clearly mouths saying like 'sorry, i was wrong'

90% of the time when nba players talk they cover their mouths, but lebron purposely says this with his mouth uncovered so everyone can preach lebron's leadership



edit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eJ11KYBI90 here is the link

the announcers even praise his leadership in that clip


I think he yelled and embarrassed Chalmers every other game.

[vert48]

ESPN changed its name to ALN (All Lebron Network) yesterday. This was AFTER HE LOST!!! Thank the Lord he lost. If he had won, ESPN may have triggered the Rapture.
He is a spoiled brat that refuses to take any responsibility for his own behavior. He should retire from the NBA and become an NFL wide receiver, because he has the diva thing down.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Why does Stepehen A. Keep saying LeBron wants Mark Jackson? Doesn't this playoffs prove that Mark Jackson sucks?

Because of race imo. Could probably sub Brian Shaw or Mo Cheeks if you wanted. btw, I love Cheeks. What's he up to now?

[HOoopCityJones]

RBA you making a lot of excuses about shit we've all clearly seen on the sidelines all season. To pretend there's no story here is just flat out denial.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Because of race imo. Could probably sub Brian Shaw or Mo Cheeks if you wanted. btw, I love Cheeks. What's he up to now?
LeBron wants a Black head coach like Chris Paul?

[Brokenbeat]

So you guys have something in common.

:applause: :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA - Do you think the Cavs/Lebron would be better off if he just focused solely on playing the game, being a leader etc... Rather than trying to micromanage, draw up x's and o's or undermine the decisions made by his coach?

You can argue that his efforts were successful on most accounts. I mean the team was 2 games shy of taking down the leagues monster squad.

Or is this simply a product of who Lebron is and there's no altering that behaviour. He seems like a very hands on fellow who needs to impart his expertise. What would you like to see happen? What's best for the team?
I'd be curious to see how different the situation is from other teams. We're critiquing NBA sidelines with zero personal experience or insight into how they normally function.

Do I think LeBron should regularly contradict his head coach? Of course not, but I'm not just going to take Windy's word for it or assume it is common place because Stein happened to see Blatt draw up a different play one time.

Windhorst has put himself in a no-lose situation. If things were as bad as he insinuated they were all season, Blatt could not sustain his position as head coach. But now, because we've reached a point where a decision like that would be made, he has back-tracked with the whole "LeBron likes having Blatt to kick around" theory.

That will allow him to continue his long distance visual psychotherapy sessions while being able to explain away why Blatt is still the coach.

The idea of reporting on a team's interactions during timeouts and on the bench is pretty hilarious, to be perfectly honest. I've never seen anything like it.

There have been absolutely toxic situations in the NBA between coaches and players in the past ... times when players and coaches almost came to blows. And, there has never been this amount of focus on them, ever.

This is just another instance of the ridiculous scrutiny a team gets when they acquire LeBron James. Nothing more. I'll do my best to ignore it.

[hawksdogsbraves]

RBA you making a lot of excuses about shit we've all clearly seen on the sidelines all season. To pretend there's no story here is just flat out denial.

Reminiscent of the denial during the whole Dion Waiters saga last year and at the start of this season. Where there's this much smoke, there's bound to be a fire.

Now is that fire as big as ESPN is making it out to be? Probably not. Can Blatt and LeBron work past this issue and win a ring, (or multiple)? Certainly. In fact, it's probably pretty likely. But I think it's pretty clear that LeBron and Blatt don't have a very good working relationship at the moment.

Coaches losing/not having the respect of their players is incredibly common in the NBA, it's just that it's going to be under the microscope 100x more when it's LeBron's problem and LeBron's team. Not really a huge deal since the team didn't quit on him and flame out in the second round, just something that they need to work through. I remember reading somewhat similar stuff when LeBron first joined the Heat and wasn't 100% sold on Spo as a coach but I think they grew together as time went on.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA you making a lot of excuses about shit we've all clearly seen on the sidelines all season. To pretend there's no story here is just flat out denial.
You haven't seen jack sh!t. I've watched every Cavs game this season and I haven't seen in-fighting on the sidelines. :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

You haven't seen jack sh!t. I've watched every Cavs game this season and I haven't seen in-fighting on the sidelines. :oldlol:

Damn, RBA meldown. :cheers:

[RedBlackAttack]

Reminiscent of the denial during the whole Dion Waiters saga last year and at the start of this season. Where there's this much smoke, there's bound to be a fire.

Now is that fire as big as ESPN is making it out to be? Probably not. Can Blatt and LeBron work past this issue and win a ring, (or multiple)? Certainly. In fact, it's probably pretty likely. But I think it's pretty clear that LeBron and Blatt don't have a very good working relationship at the moment.

Coaches losing/not having the respect of their players is incredibly common in the NBA, it's just that it's going to be under the microscope 100x more when it's LeBron's problem and LeBron's team. Not really a huge deal since the team didn't quit on him and flame out in the second round, just something that they need to work through. I remember reading somewhat similar stuff when LeBron first joined the Heat and wasn't 100% sold on Spo as a coach but I think they grew together as time went on.

That is basically what I just said.

[Done_And_Done]

I'd be curious to see how different the situation is from other teams. We're critiquing NBA sidelines with zero personal experience or insight into how they normally function.

Do I think LeBron should regularly contradict his head coach? Of course not, but I'm not just going to take Windy's word for it or assume it is common place because Stein happened to see Blatt draw up a different play one time.

Windhorst has put himself in a no-lose situation. If things were as bad as he insinuated they were all season, Blatt could not sustain his position as head coach. But now, because we've reached a point where a decision like that would be made, he has back-tracked with the whole "LeBron likes having Blatt to kick around" theory.

That will allow him to continue his long distance visual psychotherapy sessions while being able to explain away why Blatt is still the coach.

The idea of reporting on a team's interactions during timeouts and on the bench is pretty hilarious, to be perfectly honest. I've never seen anything like it.

There have been absolutely toxic situations in the NBA between coaches and players in the past ... times when players and coaches almost came to blows. And, there has never been this amount of focus on them, ever.

This is just another instance of the ridiculous scrutiny a team gets when they acquire LeBron James. Nothing more. I'll do my best to ignore it.

Good insight. Good post.

Cheers man...

[buddha]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Lebron needs a human pi

[Meticode]

So many wasted keystrokes. Especially from you RBA. You're debating, defending and arguing with mostly idiots for the most part. Hell, I just wasted keystrokes probably.

[HOoopCityJones]

You tryna pretend there isn't a problem.

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn, RBA meldown. :cheers:
Am I wrong? You said "we've all clearly seen it all season."

Unless I missed something, I've not actually seen anything that indicates in-fighting between Blatt and James. What I have seen are a bunch of articles written by Windhorst and a couple of others maintaining that there was an issue.

But, reading a report and seeing it for yourself "all season"... those are two very different things.

[RedBlackAttack]

So many wasted keystrokes. Especially from you RBA. You're debating, defending and arguing with mostly idiots for the most part. Hell, I just wasted keystrokes probably.
It's all relative. I have some time to kill.

[Meticode]

It would be pretty amazing and funny to me though if LeBron wanted Blatt gone. Especially after The Letter, and stating it being a slow process and in one season they were two wins away from a NBA Championship without Kevin Love for three of the four playoff series and having a hobbled Irving out there then missing five of the six Final games.

"It's going to be a slow process and we were two wins from a title in our first season. F*ck sorry Blatt, you got to go." :oldlol:

[PJR]

You tryna pretend there isn't a problem.

Cleveland homers trying to comfort themselves. :oldlol:


Yes, Bran has that ENTIRE organization bending over backwards, YET again.

He's the pseudo coach and GM. He has the power to undermine and step over anyone up in there. Because he's the meal ticket. Without him? Back to irrelevance.

His boys Mav and Rich have carte blanche too(yet again).

And Tristan Thompson, an offensive rebounding specialist, is going to get a max contract just because LeBron and Rich say so. :lol

[JerrySeinfeld]

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming

Looks like Windhorst isn't lying about the LeBron not respecting David Blatt after all.

You don't win championships with players acting above the coach like this. Period.

Curry was right, at the end of the day, all that matters is winning. And Bron is a loser.

[RedBlackAttack]

It would be pretty amazing and funny to me though if LeBron wanted Blatt gone. Especially after The Letter, and stating it being a slow process and in one season they were two wins away from a NBA Championship without Kevin Love for three of the four playoff series and having a hobbled Irving out there then missing five of the six Final games.

"It's going to be a slow process and we were two wins from a title in our first season. F*ck sorry Blatt, you got to go." :oldlol:
LeBron would never come out and say he wants a guy gone. It would be his usual passive aggressive BS, like "I don't pay no bills around here."

But, yeah... James was actually saying that early in the season and I killed him for it. I thought he was handling situation completely unprofessionally. Like I said, his teams always have several extra layers of scrutiny on them. He's not obligated to go out of his way to calm things down, but he was actually stoking the flames early in the season.

I thought things cooled and the relationships all seemed to get better as the year went on. LeBron has always seemed like he's a giant asshole. That's not a newsflash, I don't think.

I would never expect him to go way out of his way to praise Blatt until/unless they won a championship together. He did that same passive aggressive stuff with Spo in their first year together.

Remember all the rumors about Riley taking over as coach because the players didn't respect Spo? :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

Cleveland homers trying to comfort themselves. :oldlol:


Yes, Bran has that ENTIRE organization bending over backwards, YET again.

He's the pseudo coach and GM. He has the power to undermine and step over anyone up in there. Because he's the meal ticket. Without him? Back to irrelevance.

His boys Mav and Rich have carte blanche too(yet again).

And Tristan Thompson, an offensive rebounding specialist, is going to get a max contract just because LeBron and Rich say so. :lol
It'd be funny if LeBron tweeted out who he wanted the Cavs to draft and they actually did it. Now that would really be some next level Player-GM sh!t. :oldlol:


Then, if he left anyway? Even funnier. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[chips93]

Why does Stepehen A. Keep saying LeBron wants Mark Jackson? Doesn't this playoffs prove that Mark Jackson sucks?

the theory is that lebron wants jackson, because lebron's management agency represents jackson.

[PJR]

It'd be funny if LeBron tweeted out who he wanted the Cavs to draft and they actually did it. Now that would really be some next level Player-GM sh!t. :oldlol:


Then, if he left anyway? Even funnier. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Remember when you said you'd stop watching the Cavaliers if LeBron came back? :lol :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287326

[HOoopCityJones]

Remember when you said you'd stop watching the Cavaliers if LeBron came back? :lol :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=8144238

Ahh shit. :roll:

[JerrySeinfeld]

tristan thompson is the whipping boy on the cavs. LeBron yelled at him multiple times during the playoffs, problem is tristan didn't say shit back.

lol yeah, after watching LeBron get switched on Green, get murdered in the post and then turn to Tristan Thompson and throw a fit, blaming him for it, I was like damn, Thompson could be gone.

[chips93]

do you guys have an examples of stein reporting bullshit?

ive always thought of him as one of the more reliable reporters in the league, rarely going with the sensationalist angle.

[Solefade]

Stein, SAS, Windhorst are all really creditable..whats the problem? lol

[navy]

Stein, SAS, Windhorst are all really creditable..whats the problem? lol
No. Stein is credible though.

[Sarcastic]

They'll keep Blatt for next year, since they will need a scapegoat just in case it goes bad again.

[Ai2death]

I'm sorry, but all i can think of is the Cavs being that clingy bitch. Lebron dropped them in the worst way, they got scourned. 4 years later he just rocks up like hey i'm back, and the Cavs are all like way, we love you.



But... i can't blame them. His the best player in the world currently, its just a bit embarrassing.

[Jameerthefear]

do you guys have an examples of stein reporting bullshit?

ive always thought of him as one of the more reliable reporters in the league, rarely going with the sensationalist angle.
no. stein is credible

[Euroleague]

do you guys have an examples of stein reporting bullshit?

ive always thought of him as one of the more reliable reporters in the league, rarely going with the sensationalist angle.

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[Meticode]

In all honesty after this year, I take things RedBlackAttack says with a grain of salt now. While I feel in my heart he's a Cavaliers fan through-and-through. And he has very insightful posts, but also sometimes he goes against the popular opinion just for the sake of it because of something he doesn't like. He'll debate, argue and scrutinize what the "writing on the wall is" and flip it around to something that isn't a big deal or that is a big deal depending on his agenda. I'm frankly tired of it. Far too often he goes into meltdown mode...

Some examples...

In this thread very thread he's stated Marc Stein is a bullshit source, but just this past season he'll post links to Stein's Twitter about the Cavs going after players (in this example Corey Brewer). I mean, if you think the guy is a bullshit source, then why do you post him as a source?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359752

https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/534107129683394560

Story:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11887703/minnesota-timberwolves-shopping-veteran-corey-brewer

"Minnesota is believed to be seeking future assets in exchange for Brewer as it tries to accelerate its rebuilding effort in the wake of trading star power forward Kevin Love to the Cavaliers in August. Both Cleveland and Houston possess a trade exception large enough to absorb Brewer's $4.7 million salary, meaning that both teams would likely be able to acquire Brewer by merely surrendering future draft compensation and without giving up any key players."

Right before James made his decision to come back RBA went on RealCavsFans.com our main fan forum and pushed his negative LeBron agenda out there...

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/2014-free-agency-period-news-and-discussion.44338/page-53#post-1897811

Guys... James is going back to Miami. I don't mean to dash anyone's hopes, but the writing is on the wall. What you should be excited about is the fact that Miami is considering wasting all of their remaining cap space on the likes of Marion and Deng.

Let's start focusing on fielding a team who could run their ancient asses off the court in the playoffs, eh?

[Droid101]

In all honesty after this year, I take things RedBlackAttack says with a grain of salt now. While I feel in my heart he's a Cavaliers fan through-and-through. And he has very insightful posts, but also sometimes he goes against the popular opinion just for the sake of it because of something he doesn't like. He'll debate, argue and scrutinize what the "writing on the wall is" and flip it around to something that isn't a big deal or that is a big deal depending on his agenda. I'm frankly tired of it. Far too often he goes into meltdown mode...

Some examples...

In this thread very thread he's stated Marc Stein is a bullshit source, but just this past season he'll post links to Stein's Twitter about the Cavs going after players (in this example Corey Brewer). I mean, if you think the guy is a bullshit source, then why do you post him as a source?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359752


Right before James made his decision to come back RBA went on RealCavsFans.com our main fan forum and pushed his negative LeBron agenda out there...

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/2014-free-agency-period-news-and-discussion.44338/page-53#post-1897811
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[RedBlackAttack]

do you guys have an examples of stein reporting bullshit?

ive always thought of him as one of the more reliable reporters in the league, rarely going with the sensationalist angle.
Stein is more of a straight news reporter than an opinion guy like Windhorst or Smith, so you're not going to find him taking many controversial opinions. What I took issue with was the content of the piece itself and how much stock is being put into watching how a sideline operates from afar.

Like I said, I'm not even arguing against the idea that these guys might have some issues that they have to work through. I don't know and I don't really care. My focus is on how the team plays and the game-planning from game-to-game and series-to-series from the coaching staff.

I thought -- considering the circumstances -- these guys overachieved by first making the Finals with a depleted roster and then by pushing the Finals to six games and really battling in close games all the way through.

So, what's the problem here? That Blatt changed a play on the sidelines once while Stein was watching? Or that LeBron talked to Lue once in a while? Why should I care and, more to the point, why should he care? :confusedshrug:

[Jameerthefear]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/9GXgDBB0fzqJq/200.gif
Are you going to keep posting .gifs or actually prove what you say boy? Because you're starting to piss me off and you DO NOT want to see what happens when I get pissed off. That's your warning.

[Optimus Prime]

You know it's bad when LeSPN calls out LeBron.

:lebronamazed:

[Angel Face]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Lebron needs a human pi

[RedBlackAttack]

In all honesty after this year, I take things RedBlackAttack says with a grain of salt now. While I feel in my heart he's a Cavaliers fan through-and-through. And he has very insightful posts, but also sometimes he goes against the popular opinion just for the sake of it because of something he doesn't like. He'll debate, argue and scrutinize what the "writing on the wall is" and flip it around to something that isn't a big deal or that is a big deal depending on his agenda. I'm frankly tired of it. Far too often he goes into meltdown mode...

Some examples...

In this thread very thread he's stated Marc Stein is a bullshit source, but just this past season he'll post links to Stein's Twitter about the Cavs going after players (in this example Corey Brewer). I mean, if you think the guy is a bullshit source, then why do you post him as a source?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359752


Right before James made his decision to come back RBA went on RealCavsFans.com our main fan forum and pushed his negative LeBron agenda out there...

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/2014-free-agency-period-news-and-discussion.44338/page-53#post-1897811
To be clear, I didn't say Stein was a "bullsh!t source" and I even clarified above before I saw your inflammatory post directed at me. I don't have an issue with Stein, but I also don't think he is basing his column on any actual reporting -- which would include talking to players and coaches -- just on what he sees while closely studying the Cavs bench.

I don't think that is very useful, tbh, and I also don't understand all the negativity around a team that just overachieved in the playoffs.


I've been very open about my disdain for LeBron going back almost five years now. I still don't really like the guy to be honest. He came back and I was forced to deal with it or stop watching the NBA. I did the former. I had several threads directed at me when he decided to come back, and I responded to them. Not exactly breaking news.


What I don't get is why you'd fixate on me instead of using the forum for its intended purpose. That is, to read the posts that interest you and comment when you feel appropriate. Your "being tired" of me seems more of an issue for you than it is for me.

Plenty of people irritate me on this board. I tend to ignore them. I do appreciate you bolding my user handle, though... for emphasis, I suppose?

[JohnMax]

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[Meticode]

To be clear, I didn't say Stein was a "bullsh!t source" and I even clarified above before I saw your inflammatory post directed at me. I don't have an issue with Stein, but I also don't think he is basing his column on any actual reporting -- which would include talking to players and coaches -- just on what he sees while closely studying the Cavs bench.
Stein isn't a bullshit source and you have no issue with him...but I quote...


So, we have... Winhorst, SAS and Stein.

Is that the trifecta of know-nothing sensationalist attention whores?
...but as you said, you have no issues with Stein.


I don't think that is very useful, tbh, and I also don't understand all the negativity around a team that just overachieved in the playoffs.
I understand that, but you make it seem like it's wrong for reporters to go out there and post what they see. I think the biggest writing on the wall in the playoffs was LeBron scratching a play. He totally undermined Blatt and basically said in so many words, "I'm not running that ****ing play."


And I've been very open about my disdain for LeBron going back almost five years now. I still don't really like the guy to be honest. He came back and I was forced to deal with it or stop watching the NBA. I did the former.
I know you're very open about. To the point where you were in denial about him every coming back. That's what I'm trying to say, you push your agenda. In that quote you said "the writing is on the wall" but yet that's not even close to how it turned out to be.


What I don't get is why you'd fixate on me instead of using the forum for its intended purpose. That is, to read the posts that interest you and comment when you feel appropriate. Your "being tired" of me seems more of an issue for you than it does for me.

It is more of an issue with me. It bothers me because you come off all high and mighty and contradict yourself so many times. you criticize Stein now, but about 6 months ago you were using him as a credible source. You hate LeBron so much you'll stop watching the NBA if he comes back, but you back-track on that. LeBron's not coming back to the Cavs fans should get used to it, but he comes back. Your foot meets your mouth so much.

[daily]

I don't have an issue with Stein, but I also don't think he is basing his column on any actual reporting -- which would include talking to players and coaches -- just on what he sees while closely studying the Cavs bench.

I don't think that is very useful, tbh, and I also don't understand all the negativity around a team that just overachieved in the playoffs.




That is actual reporting, you just don't like what's being reported so you're dismissing it. Also it's not Steins job to be useful to the Cavs organization his job is to report what he sees
Finally this team did not "overachieve" stop trying to change the narrative Anything less than a finals appearance would have been a huge failure considering the competition they faced and the self proclaimed best player on the planet plays for them

[HOoopCityJones]

In all honesty after this year, I take things RedBlackAttack says with a grain of salt now. While I feel in my heart he's a Cavaliers fan through-and-through. And he has very insightful posts, but also sometimes he goes against the popular opinion just for the sake of it because of something he doesn't like. He'll debate, argue and scrutinize what the "writing on the wall is" and flip it around to something that isn't a big deal or that is a big deal depending on his agenda. I'm frankly tired of it. Far too often he goes into meltdown mode...

Some examples...

In this thread very thread he's stated Marc Stein is a bullshit source, but just this past season he'll post links to Stein's Twitter about the Cavs going after players (in this example Corey Brewer). I mean, if you think the guy is a bullshit source, then why do you post him as a source?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359752


Right before James made his decision to come back RBA went on RealCavsFans.com our main fan forum and pushed his negative LeBron agenda out there...

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/2014-free-agency-period-news-and-discussion.44338/page-53#post-1897811

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[Meticode]

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What is he saying, "Why did you do that?" :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

What is he saying, "Why did you do that?" :lol

Yea. :lol

EDIT: Actually, it's "Why would you"

[jzek]

Just let him coach. That way, he can truly play ANY position on the court! :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

Stein isn't a bullshit source and you have no issue with him...but I quote...


...but as you said, you have no issues with Stein.
Meh, that comment was about SAS and Winhorst, and the fact that they all work for ESPN but if you want to hang your hat on that, go for it.

Like I said, Stein isn't normally a guy who writes opinion pieces. He has always seemed like more of a straight news guy. That's why this particular article seemed so odd to me.

But, no... to clarify -- I have nothing against Marc Stein. And I wouldn't be shocked if there was still tension between Blatt and James. But, is it really this big of a deal?



I understand that, but you make it seem like it's wrong for reporters to go out there and post what they see. I think the biggest writing on the wall in the playoffs was LeBron scratching a play. He totally undermined Blatt and basically said in so many words, "I'm not running that ****ing play."
There's a good chance that LeBron is an asshole. I'd say 80/20 in favor of his being an egotistical douchebag. He has had tension and run-ins with every coach that he has had, including in Miami. I would guess that he is very difficult to coach.

But, again... I have no basis on which to judge these little anecdotal incidents. For instance, am I to believe that star players never have a say in what plays are run during timeouts?

More to the point, how many sidelines have been scrutinized to this degree? I've never seen anything like it and it isn't just a LeBron/Blatt thing. Love and Kyrie were also a part of the psychoanalysis based on body language happening earlier this season.

When I see a trend like that, I start to wonder how much of it is really a serious issue and how much is just the national sports media needing stories about LeBron James to keep their readership levels and clicks afloat in the down weeks/months.




I know you're very open about. to the point where you were in denial about him every coming back. That's what I'm trying to say, you push your agenda. In that quote you said "the writing is on the wall" but yet that's not even close to how it turned out to be.

I thought it was absurd that he would come back this soon. I was wrong. It was a crazy situation probably never seen before in sports and it has been discussed ad nauseum.

I've been writing on this site for over a decade going back to the EZ Board days. I'm sure you can find many instances of me being wrong about things that I'll cop to without batting an eye. I'm not Nostradamus and never claimed to be. I'm just a die-hard Cavs fan who likes to discuss basketball with other people.




It is more of an issue with me. It bothers me because you come off all high and mighty and contradict yourself so many times. I criticize Stein now, but about 6 months ago you were using him as a credible source. You hate LeBron so much you'll stop watching the NBA if he comes back, but you back-tracked on that. LeBron's not coming back to the Cavs get used to it, but he comes back. Your foot meets your mouth so much.

It is widely accepted that when you share opinions with people about something that you have no control over, you might be wrong sometimes. That comes with the territory of being a very active poster on a message board. You talk about getting on your high horse a couple pages after chastising me for "wasting keystrokes." Who are you to decide what I should and should not post about? Why is it any of your concern? Why do you even care? Just don't read it if you don't care or I get on your nerves or whatever.

I'm pretty sure I could search through the pages of posts you've made over the years and find instances where you were either wrong or you contradicted yourself or whatever. I honestly just don't care to do so.

All I'm doing here is talking about sports. It's not that serious.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Just let him coach. That way, he can truly play ANY position on the court!

Sure he will play all 5 positions. But not guard any of them.

[RedBlackAttack]

That is actual reporting, you just don't like what's being reported so you're dismissing it. Also it's not Steins job to be useful to the Cavs organization his job is to report what he sees
Finally this team did not "overachieve" stop trying to change the narrative Anything less than a finals appearance would have been a huge failure considering the competition they faced and the self proclaimed best player on the planet plays for them
He is free to report using third person and anecdotal evidence and I'm free to question it as a valid way to construct a sports opinion piece about player/coach relationships... especially when the anecdotes are "he erased a chalkboard" and "LeBron talked to Lue instead of Blatt."

In the grand scheme, these incidents mean very little to me even if they are indicative of some straining in the Blatt/James relationship. I'm sure it is an ongoing process and it can't be easy to coach a player as egocentric and headstrong as LeBron.

And, with Irving, Love and Varejao out, going to The Finals and getting to a Game 6 is an over achievement, period.

That same LeBron James only went 5 games with the Spurs last year with Wade and Bosh by his side. No one thought this series was going 6, especially after Irving was declared done. But, believe what you will.

[HOoopCityJones]

Just let him coach. That way, he can truly play ANY position on the court!

Sure he will play all 5 positions. But not guard any of them.

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[Jailblazers7]

Honestly, I'm not sure why Blatt would get criticized at all or be called clueless by anyone. His team was decimated and even the healthy ones played like shit for the most part. By the end of the series, he had 3 perimeter players who couldn't shoot and two bigs who were playing well but couldn't handle small ball. His rotations and strategies were going to be VERY limited.

Based on all of the visual evidence, Lebron treated Blatt like shit and deserves the criticism. The bad part is that he is surrounded by young or extremely impressionable players who will follow him over a cliff. I think it might have helped if Andy V could be that vet who stands up to Lebron but they are obviously very close.

But basically, all of the reports are simply calling Lebron a douche and that is a hard point to debate at this point in his career. Dude is retarded when it comes to PR and the way he shamelessly makes excuses and self-promotes.

[Optimus Prime]

Dang, this RBA meltdown is more epic than in the "Love leaving for LA?!" threads a few months back. :lol

Stein is a legit source. He's not a troll like Skip, moron like SAS or multiple sauces.

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[9erempiree]

This is why Lebron cannot win in this league unless he cherry picks his teammates. As you can see here and in the past, he doesn't get along with coaches. He didn't even like Mike Brown or Spo.

Lebron is a good player but not an all time great. He is a glorified version of Steve Nash. He is only successful if he plays his style of basketball.

What does he expect from Blatt? Blatt came on board expecting to rebuild the franchise and coach young players. He did not expect Lebron to be playing for him and then Kevin Love. Since Lebron came back they also loaded the team with a bunch of veterans who had success elsewhere.

It is a pieced-together team with a a very good coach who is inexperienced. Can't really blame Blatt for anything.

[kentatm]

I have read many articles written by Stein that contained completely made up things and outright lies in them.


:roll:

the biggest liar on ISH tryna call Stein a liar? :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

Dang, this RBA meltdown is more epic than in the "Love leaving for LA?!" threads a few months back. :lol

Stein is a legit source. He's not a troll like Skip, moron like SAS or multiple sauces.

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I don't understand how this #meltdown stuff works. Is it based on number of words? Or an emotional image being portrayed? Or some other overall assessment?

It seems like I have lots of meltdowns though. Tis the life of a Clevelander. :hammerhead:


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[9erempiree]

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We already know he is a piece of crap.

[9erempiree]

True Cleveland fans are still up in the air on whether they like Lebron or not. I am sure they want him to do well because it translates to team success but at the same time I don't see people going nuts for him like they were in the past. Lebron stans are a different matter.

After that stupid Decision crap it is hard to root for the guy again. Cleveland fans were basically over Lebron leaving and moved on, only for him to comeback.

Yea, it must be great playing for a championship but Lebron is a win-now kind of guy and can destroy the future of a franchise by trading or letting a lot of talent go. The Cavs were rebuilding and looked to be on their way for future success till Lebron came back.

Wiggins and Kyrie would be super good years down the road but instead they sold out to Lebron.

[jayfan]

You haven't seen jack sh!t. I've watched every Cavs game this season and I haven't seen in-fighting on the sidelines. :oldlol:

I've seen Lebron shake his head at a play being drawn up by Blatt during a timeout, just like what Stein is describing.



.

[9erempiree]

I've seen Lebron shake his head at a play being drawn up by Blatt during a timeout, just like what Stein is describing.



.

We've all seen it happen all the time and when he's not shaking his head, his body language shows. Also, consulting with other coaches and not communicating directly to the head coach is bad too.

Just a loser in many ways.

[Optimus Prime]

I don't understand how this #meltdown stuff works. Is it based on number of words? Or an emotional image being portrayed? Or some other overall assessment?

It seems like I have lots of meltdowns though. Tis the life of a Clevelander. :hammerhead:


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When you have half like the posts in a thread and even other fans of your team are calling you out, it's probably a meltdown.

:lebroncry:

This time is especially funny because, despite all his drama and passive aggressive beta-ness, LeBron carried the Cavs well over expectations and to a competitive series in the Finals when they should have been swept.

LeBron is a drama queen and egomaniac. Everybody knows this. Heck, WINDHORST of all people even confirms the drama in Stein's article. Windhorst has a major man crush on LeBron, so for him to even hint at something bad about LeBron is a big deal.

:lebronamazed:

[Euroleague]

Are you going to keep posting .gifs or actually prove what you say boy? Because you're starting to piss me off and you DO NOT want to see what happens when I get pissed off. That's your warning.

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[Euroleague]

:roll:

the biggest liar on ISH tryna call Stein a liar? :roll:

When have I ever lied?

:confusedshrug:

:wtf:

[Black and White]

When have I ever lied?

:confusedshrug:

:wtf:

Didn't you say Shumpert wouldnt make a roster in Euroleague? or something like that

[tpols]

Didn't you say Shumpert wouldnt make a roster in Euroleague? or something like that

Shumpert is a pretty terrible decision maker and passer.. he probably wouldn't fit in advanced European team offenses. As far as spot up shooting and defending goes he was perfect for american iso lebron ball tho

[Done_And_Done]

When have I ever lied?

:confusedshrug:

:wtf:

I'm pretty sure you said that the Fiba Final Four or whatever tournament that is, tallied hundreds of millions of viewers for the finals.

[guy]

He's one of the most ball dominant players ever. He doesn't respect his coaches that much. He tries to control every team he plays for. He has no loyalty so teams have to build their team according to his desires even if it's a bad decision in fear that he will leave.

It's amazing this dude has had as much help as he's had given everything about him works against that.

[BBallZen83]

Lol of course Blatt is going to toe the company line. He doesn't want LeBron to fire him.

Don't be naive. Marc Stein is a credible reporter.

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[Spurs m8]

This is just classic ****wit LeBron.
Demands respect from everyone but doesn't give it out.
Just like if he wins he wants all the praise, if he loses its all his team mates fault.

Blokes a moron

[Euroleague]

Didn't you say Shumpert wouldnt make a roster in Euroleague? or something like that

I said he would not be in the rotation of any of the good Euroleague teams. Or that if he was, he would quickly be replaced by another player.

And that is just true. So how is that a lie?

[Euroleague]

I'm pretty sure you said that the Fiba Final Four or whatever tournament that is, tallied hundreds of millions of viewers for the finals.

It gets over a hundred million. That's for four games genius. Is this really that hard to comprehend?

Do you have any idea how many countries in Europe are watching this?

There are 18 countries in Euroleague on 2 different continents.

And you can't grasp that it could get 20-25 million people watching worldwide a game, especially when some of the clubs involved are usually among the hugest sports clubs on the entire planet - you know clubs with fan bases that completely dwarf for example anything the average NBA team has.......

and you can't grasp how it can get 20-25 million viewers worldwide a game?

[Jameerthefear]

I said he would not be in the rotation of any of the good Euroleague teams. Or that if he was, he would quickly be replaced by another player.

And that is just true. So how is that a lie?
I'm about to go off.

[truhooper]

Alpha as **** :bowdown:

[Euroleague]

I'm about to go off.


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[PsychoBe]

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[Heatles201]

Yeah they picked him to play basketball not to play GM. Or have you seen any 45 year old Harvard business graduates trying to insert themselves into a NBA S5, cause they did an excellent job as a GM.

Players of his caliber sometimes have inputs on roster decision and rightfully so, if as a player WHO plays the game and no one knows your game better than you, wouldn't you want to say... Hey maybe i play better with XYZ rather than ABC?. The latter comment is just dumb

[Hey Yo]

How many times did we hear/see Kobe disrespect D'Antoni and Mike Brown?


Phil Jackson..."Kobe is un-coachable"

[Mr Feeny]

How many times did we hear/see Kobe disrespect D'Antoni and Mike Brown?


Phil Jackson..."Kobe is un-coachable"


He is in un-coach-able. How does that disprove Stein 's report, though in any way? We're just dicussing Lebron's behaviour here. Mentioning examples of other players being unprofessional doesn't have a place in here at all.

[gilalizard]

There have been absolutely toxic situations in the NBA between coaches and players in the past ... times when players and coaches almost came to blows. And, there has never been this amount of focus on them, ever.


Almost? Sprewell actually choked his coach. And it was focused on intensely. Far more than this.

[Soundwave]

Kobe and LeBron both have issues with this.

I always respected Jordan for that, even though he could butt heads with coaches, he always kept a level of professionalism about and never undermined his coach in a huge way.

I mean scoffing at your coaches substitution patterns or forcing him to draw up another play is just bush league.

Imagine a no-name coach coming in and instituting an offence that takes the ball out of LeBron or Kobe's hands. They would make a giant stink about it.

Jordan ruminated about the triangle offence and Phil Jackson, who was a nobody back then, but gave it a chance and stuck with it even when the Pistons beat the Bulls again.

How easy would it have been after that to say "this rookie coach you guys hired doesn't know what he's doing, we lost to the Pistons again, taking the ball out of my hands was a bad idea, etc. etc.".

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe never forced anyone to redraw up plays if he didn't like it or dictated substitutions. (unless he was tryna get bck in the game)

He's had his fair share of mishaps with Coaches, that's apparent. But he's also won the most with the one who probably despised him the most early on.

But yes Lebron stans, make this about Kobe.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

All the facts aside, Blatt comes off as an idiot sometimes in interviews. Just the way he talks and phrases his answers, seems like he's trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about, but doesn't really.

Imagine if he actually called that timeout in the Bulls series, and they ended up losing. He probably would've been gone the moment the series ended.

[Done_And_Done]

It gets over a hundred million. That's for four games genius. Is this really that hard to comprehend?

Do you have any idea how many countries in Europe are watching this?

There are 18 countries in Euroleague on 2 different continents.

And you can't grasp that it could get 20-25 million people watching worldwide a game, especially when some of the clubs involved are usually among the hugest sports clubs on the entire planet - you know clubs with fan bases that completely dwarf for example anything the average NBA team has.......

and you can't grasp how it can get 20-25 million viewers worldwide a game?

No genius.

You stated that the final game gleans hundreds of millions.

I'd look it up but reading through your posts and constant Spanoulis knob slobbing is suicide inducing.

[Dro]

Yeah, this is pretty sh*t by Lebron but is anybody surprised?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Why do lebron's nut suckers go to kobe immediately for anything?

Do u guys have a daddy syndrome or something?

[LBJMVP]

i think its funny that lebron was supposebly doing this all during the finals, yet there was not one single time it was mentioned at all until afterwards. :roll:

just trying to make headlines.

yeah, lebron was calling a lot of timeouts while he playing 45 minutes a game. LMAO

you'd think we would have atleast seen this happen one time.

stein probably saw lebron change one play and ran with it... thats was he literally only used one in that whole article when it apparently was happening all series.

there has not been a single report out of cleveland that there was a problem with blatt.

[Dro]

i think its funny that lebron was supposebly doing this all during the finals, yet there was not one single time it was mentioned at all until afterwards. :roll:

just trying to make headlines.

yeah, lebron was calling a lot of timeouts while he playing 45 minutes a game. LMAO

you'd think we would have atleast seen this happen one time.

stein probably saw lebron change one play and ran with it... thats was he literally only used one in that whole article when it apparently was happening all series.

there has not been a single report out of cleveland that there was a problem with blatt.
You can't be serious. It would be super unprofessional of a reporter to break a story like this DURING the Finals, potentially causing a huge distraction....

[monkeypox]

RBA needs to take a nap. It's getting embarrassing.

[RedBlackAttack]

Almost? Sprewell actually choked his coach. And it was focused on intensely. Far more than this.
That happened during practice. I was talking about reporters focusing on sidelines and huddles during games to gauge individual player reaction to their coaches.

The Sprewell-PJ Carlesimo incident happened not while under intense scrutiny of the media, but behind closed doors with little to no warning that there was even a problem because, again, these kinds of things aren't normally intensely covered until/unless there is a physical incident.

If LeBron chokes Blatt, then by all means... the coverage is 100% warranted.

That sort of proves the point more than contradicts it, though. I'm sure there were signs during games on the sidelines that all was not well in that locker room prior to PJ getting choked. No one noticed... because there normally is little focus on that area of the court during games.

Just to refresh, because my posts in this thread seem to have struck a nerve.

1. This intense scrutiny is being overblown by ESPN, as usual. I have to think everyone at least sees that much.

2. Stein is a credible reporter. The other two are not.

3. There very well may be internal issues in the Cavs locker room specifically between James and Blatt. LeBron seems like he is very difficult to coach and is probably an asshole. Fortunately, there's still time for the team to work through whatever on-court/off-court chemistry issues may exist.

4. Internal issues with personnel/coaches are not uncommon in the NBA.

5. As long as the Cavs continue to put a quality team on the floor, as they did this year, I don't really care who is buddies with whom.

6. Feel free to ignore my posts if I annoy you or you hate me or whatever. We're just talking about basketball here. This isn't a World Peace Summit. It's not that serious.

[HOoopCityJones]

Damn, three meltdowns is one day. You on a roll RBA, but at least you back down from no man.

[2swift4u]

It's interesting that everybody says that Lebron is a great teammate and leader but unfortunately Lebron seems to think he's a great coach as well. So I guess it must be pretty damn hard to coach him.

[The Iron Fist]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.][B]The reason LeBron won a Championship in Miami is that he put his little dick on table and said I want this and that. Then Pat Riley pulled his big dick out and said I

[The Iron Fist]

LOL - look at Bosh's expression - like WTH is wrong with you? Even Ray moves out of the way. Good to see Chalmers not backing down.

It's never good for any ONE person to have so much power - everybody must be accountable to someone/something.
Chalmers knows brons a puzzy. Hes not scared of his size.

[kentatm]

When have I ever lied?

:confusedshrug:

:wtf:

By the standard you use when you call people racist and liars? Many many times. There was a reason people used to mock you as NoLinksYo when your handle was something like LakasFan. But go ahead pretending you're some innocent if it makes your tired act feel fresh in your bubble brain.

[Rose'sACL]

People also forget that cavs were 12-19 and then ended up at 12-20 before lebron returned. Blatt had love and Irving and could win only 1 game in that span.
Unless you are saying that love and Irving also don't listen to blatt, I can't believe all this bs.

People have all this problem with "lebron ball" but that made cavs win 2 games in finals in which cavs getting swept was a very strong probability. If not for injuries, cavs probably win playing this lebron ball.

[LBJMVP]

You can't be serious. It would be super unprofessional of a reporter to break a story like this DURING the Finals, potentially causing a huge distraction....
And you really think every reporter out there is professional? some of them hurt want to break a story and make money.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yep, Bron is an asshole...

when have the Cavs ever stood firm, told this guy "No" and drawn a hard line? Cavs management are the only ones to blame for this mess. They've bent over backwards for Lebron during both his stints in Cleveland, and he's completely gotten his way.

[RedBlackAttack]

People also forget that cavs were 12-19 and then ended up at 12-20 before lebron returned. Blatt had love and Irving and could win only 1 game in that span.
Unless you are saying that love and Irving also don't listen to blatt, I can't believe all this bs.

People have all this problem with "lebron ball" but that made cavs win 2 games in finals in which cavs getting swept was a very strong probability. If not for injuries, cavs probably win playing this lebron ball.
Kyrie and Love both missed games in that stretch too and the Cavs were trending in a bad direction before LeBron took his hiatus. That was before the trade which reshaped the entire team. We were starting Joe Harris for many of those games for gods sake.

That isn't a fair way to assess Blatt as a coach, just like how badly the Cavs were playing just before LeBron took time off is an unfair way to assess LeBron as a player. In his last game before going on his break, LeBron was on the floor against the Pistons IIRC in a game that Kyrie sat out... they lost by 30.

[Euroleague]

By the standard you use when you call people racist and liars? Many many times. There was a reason people used to mock you as NoLinksYo when your handle was something like LakasFan. But go ahead pretending you're some innocent if it makes your tired act feel fresh in your bubble brain.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/i9bItRmaRJLri/200.gif

[Rose'sACL]

Kyrie and Love both missed games in that stretch too and the Cavs were trending in a bad direction before LeBron took his hiatus. That was before the trade which reshaped the entire team. We were starting Joe Harris for many of those games for gods sake.

That isn't a fair way to assess Blatt as a coach, just like how badly the Cavs were playing just before LeBron took time off is an unfair way to assess LeBron as a player. In his last game before going on his break, LeBron was on the floor against the Pistons IIRC in a game that Kyrie sat out... they lost by 30.
i was replying to most posts in this thread acting like lebron's method, if you want to call it that, didn't work when it was clearly working.
Injuries were the main and probably the only reason cavs didn't win a ring this year.

[Dro]

And you really think every reporter out there is professional? some of them hurt want to break a story and make money.
Well, in this case they obviously were trying to professional, which is why they waited until the series was over...Not sure why folks are in denial.....Lebron's been an a-hole for a while now...If you never even watched Lebron a day in your life, all the gifs could tell you he's an a-hole.........:confusedshrug:

[francesco totti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXiHQd2GtSM

http://fansided.com/2015/06/16/jr-smith-ignores-david-blast-game-6-video/


Its more then Lebron, no one respects him on the cavs

[BallsOut]

Reminiscent of the denial during the whole Dion Waiters saga last year and at the start of this season. Where there's this much smoke, there's bound to be a fire.




In all honesty after this year, I take things RedBlackAttack says with a grain of salt now. While I feel in my heart he's a Cavaliers fan through-and-through. And he has very insightful posts, but also sometimes he goes against the popular opinion just for the sake of it because of something he doesn't like. He'll debate, argue and scrutinize what the "writing on the wall is" and flip it around to something that isn't a big deal or that is a big deal depending on his agenda. I'm frankly tired of it. Far too often he goes into meltdown mode...

Some examples...

In this thread very thread he's stated Marc Stein is a bullshit source, but just this past season he'll post links to Stein's Twitter about the Cavs going after players (in this example Corey Brewer). I mean, if you think the guy is a bullshit source, then why do you post him as a source?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359752


Right before James made his decision to come back RBA went on RealCavsFans.com our main fan forum and pushed his negative LeBron agenda out there...

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/2014-free-agency-period-news-and-discussion.44338/page-53#post-1897811

RBA Meltdown in full effect. Dude is so biased towards anything anti-Cavaliers/anti-Lebron, he can't see the forest for the trees. It was reported that Dion Waiters had locker room issues with Kyrie and the team. He gets traded months later. All the while RBA is brushing off the speculation as if there was none to talk about.

Now it's between Lebron not treating Blatt with respect on the sidelines, which we've already seen in the past with Mike Brown and Erik Spoelstra. Dude acts like it's a non-story. Denial at its finest. No wonder Meticode, another Cavalier fan, can't put up with his BS :oldlol:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming

Looks like Windhorst isn't lying about the LeBron not respecting David Blatt after all.

Never liked Windhorst but he's speaking the truth. I don't think he even had respect for Spolestra.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Remember when you said you'd stop watching the Cavaliers if LeBron came back? :lol :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287326

Don't let this be forgotten

[T_L_P]

Also, if this stuff is true, I'm disappointed in Blatt.

All we heard about him overseas is how strong-willed he was, about how he demanded respect and how he required his players to buy in and listen.

Now he's in the big leagues and he's letting guys walk over him? :facepalm