Where the Warriors rank among the NBA's 50 greatest teams of all time

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With the Golden State Warriors completing their run to the franchise's first championship since 1975 -- going 83-20 in the regular season and playoffs combined, the third-highest win total in NBA history -- they've earned the right to be compared to the greatest teams the league has ever seen. Before we can determine the Warriors' possible place, however, we have to figure out whom they're joining.

Six years ago, on the eve of the 2009 Finals, ESPN Insider's John Hollingerranked every team to play in the Finals since the ABA-NBA merger. But starting at the merger leaves out plenty of NBA history, including Bill Russell's Celtics, Wilt Chamberlain's 76ers, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's Bucks and plenty of other contenders. So this time, we went almost all the way back to rank the 50 best teams -- champions, runners-up and even a few who didn't make the Finals -- since 1951-52, the first season where player minutes were tracked. (Apologies to the 1949-50 Minneapolis Lakers, who would have ranked in the top 10 otherwise.)

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My method is slightly different than Hollinger's, too. See the methodology detailed at the bottom of the page on how I ranked teams.

1. 1995-96 Bulls
Record: 72-10
Rating: plus-14.4
1995-96 BULLS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +12.2
Adjusted playoff point differential: +15.3
Outcome: Defeated Seattle SuperSonics 4-2

I spent hours cooking up a formula to prove that the best team in NBA history was ... the one with the best record. By almost any standard, the 1995-96 Bulls come out on top.

Besides their record 72 wins, they also posted the best point differential the league has ever seen, and their adjusted playoff point differential ranks second all-time. The only quibble is that 1995-96 was an expansion year. Nonetheless, leaguewide quality of play still rated 4.6 percent better than this season. So there's no doubt who's No. 1 in the rankings.

2. 1985-86 Celtics
Record: 67-15
Rating: plus-13.6
1985-86 CELTICS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +9.4
Adjusted playoff point differential: +13.2
Outcome: Defeated Houston Rockets 4-2

With four Hall of Famers in their starting lineup (Larry Bird, Dennis Johnson, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish) and a fifth (Bill Walton) coming off the bench, the 1985-86 Celtics were more talented than anyone they faced. The problem was they knew it. So at times, Boston coasted through a 67-15 regular season, posting a pedestrian plus-9.4 point differential.

The Celtics turned it up in the playoffs, and while they lost three games, their plus-10.3 playoff margin of victory ranks seventh all-time. Boston dominated against a league that was nearly at its peak in terms of level of play, moving the Celtics up from fifth without the adjustment to second.

3. 1986-87 Lakers
Record: 65-17
Rating: plus-13.3
1986-87 LAKERS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +9.3
Adjusted playoff point differential: +12.9
Outcome: Defeated Boston Celtics 4-2

The Lakers responded to their rivals' championship and their own upset in the 1986 Western Conference finals with an all-time season of their own, nearly matching the 1985-86 Celtics. Hollinger's rankings came up with the 1986-87 Lakers second and the 1985-86 Celtics third. They're flip-flopped here because the Lakers' impressive-looking plus-11.4 margin of victory in the playoffs was compiled against one of the weakest slates of opponents for any champion.

The Lakers didn't beat a single team that won more than 42 games in the regular season en route to the Finals, and even Boston was weakened from its previous heights by injury. The Celtics needed seven games to get past both Milwaukee and Detroit in the East, so it was no surprise when the Lakers finished off the defending champions in six games.

4. 1966-67 76ers
Record: 68-13
Rating: plus-13.3
1966-67 76ERS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +9.4
Adjusted playoff point differential: +13.1
Outcome: Def. San Francisco Warriors 4-2

When the NBA celebrated its 35th anniversary in 1980, the Professional Basketball Writers Association chose the 1966-67 76ers as the best team in league history, and this method agrees that Philadelphia posted the best season before the ABA-NBA merger and arrival of the 3-point line.

After winning a then-record 68 games in the regular season, the Sixers dominated in the playoffs, knocking off the Celtics 4-1 in the Eastern Division finals to snap Boston's streak of eight consecutive championships. And Philadelphia did it in the last season before the arrival of the ABA and rapid NBA expansion.

5. 1970-71 Bucks
Record: 66-16
Rating: plus-13.0
1970-71 BUCKS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +12.3
Adjusted playoff point differential: +15.3
Outcome: Defeated Baltimore Bullets 4-0

On paper, the 1970-71 Bucks stand with the 1995-96 Bulls as one of the most dominant teams ever. While Milwaukee won just 66 games, the Bucks' plus-12.3 point differential was the second-best in NBA history, just ahead of the 1995-96 Bulls. And Milwaukee's plus-14.5 margin of victory in the playoffs is the best on record.

Alas, the league quality adjustment takes some of the air out of the Bucks' gaudy stats. Because the NBA had added eight teams in a five-year span while competing for talent with the ABA, my model shows league quality declining by more than 20 percent between 1966-67, when the Sixers went 68-13, and 1970-71. As a result, Milwaukee drops from second in unadjusted rating to fifth.

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6. 1990-91 Bulls
Record: 61-21
Rating: plus-13.0
1990-91 BULLS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +9.1
Adjusted playoff point differential: +14.4
Outcome: Defeated Los Angeles Lakers 4-1

For an all-time great team, Chicago's 61-21 record in Michael Jordan's first title season was relatively poor. But the Bulls' point differential ranks 15th in NBA history, and they were even better in the playoffs. Chicago went 15-2 in the postseason with both losses by two points. After factoring in level of opposition, the Bulls' postseason run was the fifth-best ever.

7. 1984-85 Lakers
Record: 62-20
Rating: plus-12.5
1984-85 LAKERS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +7.4
Adjusted playoff point differential: +13.5
Outcome: Defeated Boston Celtics 4-2

While their 62 wins were their most to date in the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar-Magic Johnson era, the Lakers didn't reveal their true quality until the postseason. They dominated the Western Conference before upsetting a 63-win Boston team in the Finals to finish with a plus-10.2 playoff margin of victory. Adjusting for the strength of the league -- at its post-merger peak in terms of level of play -- the Lakers' 1985 playoff run edges the 1995-96 Bulls for the second-best ever.

8. 1960-61 Celtics
Record: 57-22
Rating: plus-12.3
1960-61 CELTICS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +5.7
Adjusted playoff point differential: +14.5
Outcome: Defeated St. Louis Hawks 4-1

By this measure, the 1960-61 Celtics come out as the best team during Boston's dynastic run with Bill Russell and Red Auerbach because of their postseason romp. While the Celtics lost a game in each of their two series, they also earned three of their eight wins by 20-plus points, and their plus-11.6 margin of victory was the fourth-best in NBA playoff history.

9. 1963-64 Celtics
Record: 59-21
Rating: plus-11.5
1963-64 CELTICS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +7.9
Adjusted playoff point differential: +11.3
Outcome: Def. San Francisco Warriors 4-1

The Celtics, by then five-time defending champions, were pushed by a Syracuse Nationals team that won 55 games -- the most ever by anyone besides Boston in NBA history to that point. The Celtics demonstrated their superiority in the Eastern Division finals by knocking off Syracuse 4-1 with four wins by double figures, and then taking care of Wilt Chamberlain's Warriors in the NBA Finals.

10. 1991-92 Bulls
Record: 67-15
Rating: plus-11.5
1991-92 STATS
Regular-season point differential: +10.4
Adjusted playoff point differential: +10.3
Outcome: Defeated Portland Trail Blazers 4-2

The middle team in Chicago's first three-peat had the best regular season, winning 67 games and becoming the first team in two decades to outscore opponents by double figures. The Bulls weren't nearly as dominant in the playoffs, going 15-7 and needing the full seven games to outlast a 51-win New York Knicks team in the conference semifinals.

11. 1996-97 Bulls
Record: 69-13
Rating: plus-11.4
1996-97 BULLS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +10.8
Adjusted playoff point differential: +11.4
Outcome: Defeated Utah Jazz 4-2

While the 1996-97 Bulls only saw their record drop by three games from the record-setting 1995-96 campaign, they weren't nearly as dominant, particularly in the postseason. Chicago's plus-5.5 playoff margin of victory ranks just 36th all-time among NBA champions.

The Bulls did face an unusually difficult slate of opponents, including two 60-win teams (the Jazz in the Finals and the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference finals), but leaguewide quality of play was still down somewhat the year after expansion.

12. 1971-72 Lakers
Record: 69-13
Rating: plus-11.3
1971-72 LAKERS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +12.3
Adjusted playoff point differential: +10.7
Outcome: Defeated New York Knicks 4-1

For more than two decades, the 1971-72 Lakers held the single-season record for wins, and their point differential is still the best ever in the regular season. So why do they drop out of the top 10? First, the Lakers weren't quite as good in the postseason.

Despite beating a very good Milwaukee team in the Western Conference finals 4-2, they were outscored in the series, and their margin of victory in the Finals was just 4.4 points per game. More than that, though, the Lakers were done in by the weak level of post-expansion play in 1971-72. Without the league adjustment, the 1971-72 Lakers would rank fourth on the list.

13. 1982-83 76ers
Record: 65-17
Rating: plus-10.8
1982-83 76ERS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +7.7
Adjusted playoff point differential: +10.6
Outcome: Defeated Los Angeles Lakers 4-0

The famed fo' fi' fo' Sixers -- who couldn't quite live up to Moses Malone's pre-playoffs promise that their series would go fo' fo' fo' -- look a lot better by wins and losses than point differential.

Philadelphia's regular-season margin of victory ranks 23rd among champions, and even in the playoffs the 76ers defeated their opponents consistently but by relatively narrow margins. Philadelphia benefits from the quality of the league in the early 1980s but still isn't quite the all-time great team its record would suggest.


14. 2013-14 Spurs
Record: 62-20
Rating: plus-10.6
2013-14 SPURS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +7.7
Adjusted playoff point differential: +13.6
Outcome: Defeated Miami Heat 4-1

The best team by this measure since the Chicago Bulls' dynasty, the Spurs lost seven games in the playoffs -- three to a 49-win Dallas Mavericks team in an opening-round matchup that went the distance -- but still had the seventh-best adjusted playoff differential on record.

Twelve of San Antonio's 16 playoff wins were by 15-plus points (the most ever,per Basketball-Reference.com), including all four in an obliteration of the two-time defending champion Miami Heat.

15. 2014-15 Golden State Warriors
Record: 67-15
Rating: plus-10.5
2014-15 WARRIORS STATS
Point Differential: +10.1
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +10.9
Outcome: Def. Cavaliers 4-2 in Finals

After a historic regular season that saw them become just the eighth team in NBA history to outscore their opponents by double digits, the Warriors weren't quite as dominant en route to the title. While their adjusted playoff differential was slightly better than their regular-season mark, most title teams tend to play better in the playoffs, so Golden State ranks just 19th among champions in adjusted playoff differential. Still, the Warriors demonstrated their ability to win using a variety of different styles during a postseason run that never saw them pushed to a Game 7.

16. 2000-01 Lakers
Record: 56-26
Rating: plus-10.5
2001-02 LAKERS STATS
Regular-season point differential: +3.4
Adjusted playoff point differential: +18.3
Outcome: Defeated Philadelphia 76ers 4-1

The all-time Jekyll-and-Hyde team, the Lakers sleepwalked their way through the regular season, posting the league's eighth-best point differential. The return of point guard Derek Fisher and urgency of playoff basketball awakened the defending champs, who came within an overtime loss in Game 1 of the Finals from becoming the first team ever to sweep the postseason.

Their adjusted playoff point differential is three points per game better than any other team in NBA history. Consider this ranking a compromise between the Lakers' forgettable regular season and their unforgettable playoff run.

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29. 1980-81 Celtics
Record: 62-20
Rating: plus-8.9
1980-81 CELTICS STATS
Point Differential: +5.9
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +9.9
Outcome: Def. Houston Rockets 4-2 in Finals

Once upon a time, the Eastern Conference was as dominant as the West has been in recent seasons. During 1980-81, all three 60-win teams -- the Celtics, Philadelphia 76ers (who also won 62 games) and Milwaukee Bucks -- were in the East.

The real Finals were the Eastern Conference finals, and Boston used home-court advantage to outlast a Philadelphia team, which had a plus-7.9 margin of victory in the regular season, in seven games. The Celtics then coasted against a Houston team that made the Finals with a 40-42 record, winning in six games.

30. 1981-82 L.A. Lakers
Record: 57-25
Rating: plus-8.8
1981-82 L.A. LAKERS STATS
Point Differential: +4.9
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +10.2
Outcome: Def. Philadelphia 76ers 4-2 in Finals

During their second championship season of the Showtime era, the Lakers were at their best in the Western Conference playoffs. They went 8-0 en route to the Finals, including sweeping a 46-win Phoenix Suns team by an average of 12.7 points per game.

The Lakers had more trouble with Philadelphia in a rematch of the 1980 NBA Finals -- the 76ers outscored them in the series -- but still won in six games.

31. 2007-08 Celtics
Record: 66-16
Rating: plus-8.7
2007-08 CELTICS STATS
Point Differential: +10.3
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.0
Outcome: Def. L.A. Lakers 4-2 in Finals

The Celtics posted the best regular-season point differential since the Jordan Bulls en route to a 66-16 record in the first season of Boston's Big Three (Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce). The playoffs were bumpier. The Celtics went the distance in the first two rounds against the Atlanta Hawks (minus-1.8) and Cleveland Cavaliers (minus-0.4) -- teams that were outscored in the regular season.

Boston got back on track with an impressive Finals performance against the Lakers, but the poor start to the postseason and a low score for leaguewide quality of play drop the Celtics -- 10th among post-merger Finals teams by Hollinger's method -- in these rankings.

32. 2012-13 Heat
Record: 66-16
Rating: plus-8.6
2012-13 HEAT STATS
Point Differential: +7.9
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +9.4
Outcome: Def. San Antonio Spurs 4-3 in Finals

Miami's second championship team with the Big Three of LeBron James,Dwyane Wade and Chris Boshfamously won 27 consecutive games during the regular season, the second-longest winning streak in NBA history.

But the Heat actually had the second-best point differential in the league behind the Oklahoma City Thunder (plus-9.2) and they were forced to go the distance both in the Eastern Conference finals (to beat the Indiana Pacers) and then in the Finals. Miami was a shot away from losing Game 6 and the series before pulling off the most improbable comeback to win a title the league has ever seen.

33. 1965-66 Celtics
Record: 54-26
Rating: plus-8.4
1965-66 CELTICS STATS
Point Differential: +4.9
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.6
Outcome: Def. L.A. Lakers 4-3 in Finals

Red Auerbach's final team as head coach -- and the last of seven Auerbach-Bill Russell teams to crack the top 50 in these rankings -- saw its record dip by six games from the season before. The Philadelphia 76ers overtook Boston for the top seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs, but the Celtics dominated the Eastern Division finals, winning in five games by an average margin of 9.6 points per game.

The NBA Finals were much closer, but Boston survived a seven-game series against the rival Lakers for their eighth consecutive championship.

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34. 2012-13 Spurs
Record: 58-24
Rating: plus-8.3
2012-13 SPURS STATS
Point Differential: +6.4
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +10.2
Outcome: Lost to Miami Heat 4-3 in Finals

Given how close the NBA Finals were, it's only fitting that the Spurs rank just two spots below the Heat. Over the seven-game series, San Antonio held a five-point advantage. And the Spurs were much more impressive in reaching the Finals, going 12-2 to tie the best pre-Finals record since the first round expanded to seven games in 2003.

But that's cold consolation after San Antonio lost a five-point lead with 28.2 seconds remaining in a potential closeout Game 6.

35. 1996-97 Jazz
Record: 64-18
Rating: plus-8.3
1996-97 JAZZ STATS
Point Differential: +8.8
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +7.4
Outcome: Lost to Chicago Bulls 4-2 in Finals

The 1996-97 Jazz put together the best season in team history, winning a franchise-record 64 games and going 11-3 en route to the Finals. Alas, they ran into a historically great Chicago team.

Utah made the series competitive, but three Chicago wins by four points or fewer -- including Michael Jordan's buzzer-beating jumper to win Game 1 and Steve Kerr's tiebreaking jumper off a Jordan feed late in the deciding Game 6 -- gave the Bulls the title.

36. 2011-12 Heat
Record: 46-20
Rating: plus-8.2
2011-12 HEAT STATS
Point Differential: +6.0
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +10.7
Outcome: Def. Oklahoma City 4-1 in Finals

Throughout the regular season and playoffs, the Heat faced questions about whether their Big Three could win it all. With Chris Bosh missing the first four games of the series, Miami fell behind the rival Boston Celtics 3-2 in the Eastern Conference finals entering Game 6 in Boston.

James responded with 45 points and 15 rebounds and the Heat won the series at home. After losing Game 1 of the Finals at Oklahoma City, Miami ripped off four wins in a row for James' first title.

37. 1983-84 Celtics
Record: 62-20
Rating: plus-8.2
1983-84 CELTICS STATS
Point Differential: +6.6
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +6.9
Outcome: Def. L.A. Lakers 4-3 in Finals

Boston's plus-4.2 playoff margin of victory ranks 42nd among NBA champions. The Celtics needed seven games to dispatch of a 47-win New York Knicks team in the conference semifinals and went the distance again in the NBA Finals against a relatively weak Lakers squad that had gone 54-28 in the regular season. Boston ranks this high by virtue of leaguewide quality of play; 1983-84 rates as the most competitive season since the NBA expanded beyond eight teams.

38. 1979-80 L.A. Lakers
Record: 60-22
Rating: plus-8.1
1979-80 L.A. LAKERS STATS
Point Differential: +5.9
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.5
Outcome: Def. Philadelphia 76ers 4-2 in Finals

With No. 1 overall pick Magic Johnson joining Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the Lakers won a league-high 62 games and cruised to a matchup with the 59-win 76ers in the Finals. Abdul-Jabbar's injury forced Johnson to the center, figuratively and literally, for a closeout Game 6 win at Philadelphia that made the Lakers champions for just the second time since moving from Minnesota to L.A.

39. 1995-96 Jazz
Record: 55-27
Rating: plus-8.1
1995-96 JAZZ STATS
Point Differential: +6.6
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.8
Outcome: Lost to Seattle 4-3 in WC finals

Without the adjustment for losing in the Western Conference finals, Utah's playoff run would rank 10th in NBA history. Six of the Jazz's 10 playoff wins came by at least 20 points (tied with the 2013-14 Spurs for most in a single postseason, according to Basketball-Reference.com), including a 35-point smackdown of the Sonics in a must-win Game 6 of the conference finals.

Utah outscored Seattle by 18 points in the series, but the Sonics' 100-96 win at home in the deciding Game 7 still eliminated the Jazz on the doorstep of the NBA Finals.

40. 1999-00 L.A. Lakers
Record: 67-15
Rating: plus-8.1
1999-00 L.A. LAKERS STATS
Point Differential: +8.5
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +7.3
Outcome: Def. Indiana Pacers 4-2 in Finals

Under new head coach Phil Jackson, the Lakers were terrific in running up 67 regular-season wins. Their run to a title wasn't nearly as impressive. The Lakers were outscored by 13 points in the Western Conference finals against the Portland Trail Blazers, and needed to rally from down 13 entering the fourth quarter of Game 7 to reach the NBA Finals.

The Pacers outscored the Lakers too, and their final playoff point differential of plus-2.3 points per game was the third-lowest for a champion in NBA history. But the Lakers still claimed their first title in 12 years.

41. 2001-02 L.A. Lakers
Record: 58-24
Rating: plus-7.9
2001-02 L.A. LAKERS STATS
Point Differential: +7.1
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +9.6
Outcome: Def. New Jersey Nets 4-0 in Finals

En route to their third consecutive championship, the Lakers went 11-1 over three of their four playoff series. The fourth was the most difficult, the most memorable and the most controversial. With the help of a mammoth edge at the foul line, the Lakers rallied from a 3-2 deficit in the Western Conference finals and won Game 7 at Sacramento in overtime. That was their real championship, and they swept an overmatched Nets team in the Finals.

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42. 1973-74 Bucks
Record: 59-23
Rating: plus-7.8
1973-74 BUCKS STATS
Point Differential: +8.0
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +7.6
Outcome: Lost to Boston Celtics 4-3 in Finals

The Bucks entered the 1974 NBA Finals as heavy favorites, having just swept a 54-win Bulls team in the Western Conference finals (yes, both Chicago and Milwaukee were in the West back then) by an average of 14.2 points per game.

The Celtics proved a trickier opponent, taking advantage of an injury to Bucks guard Lucius Allen to pile up 58 steals to Milwaukee's 25, and won the series in seven games. Because the Finals were close, and the Bucks were so dominant in the regular season, 1973-74 is one of two years where the champion doesn't rate as the best team by this ranking.

43. 1969-70 Knicks
Record: 60-22
Rating: plus-7.7
1969-70 KNICKS STATS
Point Differential: +9.1
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +6.4
Outcome: Def. L.A. Lakers 4-3 in Finals

Among NBA champions, only the 1962-63 Boston Celtics (who rank 58th by this measure) experienced a greater drop-off from their regular-season point differential to their adjusted playoff point differential. In fairness, that's partially because of two injuries.

The Lakers were more dangerous opponents than their 46-win regular season indicated because Wilt Chamberlain was healthy for the Finals after missing 70 games with a knee injury. And, of course, the Knicks lost their own center (Willis Reed) for a 22-point Game 6 loss at L.A. before Reed heroically returned to lead New York to victory in the deciding game.

44. 2006-07 Spurs
Record: 58-24
Rating: plus-7.7
2006-07 SPURS STATS
Point Differential: +8.4
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.0
Outcome: Def. Cleveland 4-0 in Finals

Of the five San Antonio title teams in the Tim Duncan-Gregg Popovich era, the 2006-07 incarnation had the best point differential during the regular season. The Spurs didn't play quite as well in the postseason, but then they didn't need to.

After the 67-win Dallas Mavericks were upset by the Golden State Warriors in the opening round, San Antonio only faced one team that won more than 51 games: the Phoenix Suns in the conference semifinals. The Spurs won that series in six games thanks in part to controversial suspensions of Boris Diaw andAmar'e Stoudemire for leaving the bench late in Game 4.

45. 1972-73 L.A. Lakers
Record: 60-22
Rating: plus-7.7
1972-73 L.A. LAKERS STATS
Point Differential: +8.5
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +6.5
Outcome: Lost to NY Knicks 4-1 in Finals

Coming off their record-setting 69-win season the year before, the Lakers had the NBA's best margin of victory during the regular season. They reached the Finals by defeating the Golden State Warriors 4-1 by an average of 14.2 points per game in the Western Conference finals. The Lakers' fortunes turned in the Finals, when they lost three games by five points or fewer to the Knicks in a series that was much closer than the five-game outcome suggested.

46. 1976-77 Trail Blazers
Record: 49-33
Rating: plus-7.7
1976-77 TRAIL BLAZERS STATS
Point Differential: +5.6
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.3
Outcome: Def. Philadelphia 76ers 4-2 in Finals

After the ABA-NBA merger the previous summer, the Blazers added ABA star Maurice Lucas and new head coach Jack Ramsay to a young core led by Bill Walton. It took some time for Portland to click; this is the only team on the list not to win at least 50 games in an 82-game schedule.

The Blazers found their stride in the playoffs, sweeping a 53-win Lakers team in the Western Conference finals and winning the last four games against Philadelphia in the Finals after falling behind 2-0. Portland was off to an even better start the follow season before Walton's foot injury brought the good times to an end.

47. 2003-04 Pistons
Record: 54-28
Rating: plus-7.4
2003-04 PISTONS
Point Differential: +5.8
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +9.7
Outcome: Def. L.A. Lakers 4-1 in Finals

One of the most underrated champions by this method, the Pistons went 20-6 with a league-best plus-12.1 margin of victory after acquiring Rasheed Wallace in a trade-deadline heist. Detroit wasn't quite as effective in the Eastern Conference playoffs, needing seven games to finish off the two-time defending East champion New Jersey Nets in the conference semifinals.

But the Pistons finished in style, knocking off a heavily favored L.A. Lakers team playing without the injured Karl Malone by an average of nine points per game in the Finals.

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48. 2004-05 Spurs
Record: 59-23
Rating: plus-7.4
2004-05 SPURS STATS
Point Differential: +7.8
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +8.1
Outcome: Def. Detroit Pistons 4-3 in Finals

Detroit's attempt to repeat as champions was thwarted by the Spurs, who outlasted the Pistons in the first seven-game Finals matchup since 1994. Detroit outscored San Antonio by 13 points in the series.

The Spurs' more impressive performance came in the Western Conference finals, when they knocked out a 62-win Suns team in five games, winning three times in Phoenix.

49. 2008-09 Cavaliers
Record: 66-16
Rating: plus-7.3
2008-09 CAVALIERS STATS
Point Differential: +8.9
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +6.7
Outcome: Lost to Orlando 4-2 in EC finals

Before this current season, the best team in Cavaliers history was 2008-09, James' first MVP year. He led Cleveland to the league's best record and margin of victory, and the Cavaliers swept through the first two rounds of the playoffs with an incredible plus-16.8 differential.

The run came to an abrupt end in the conference finals against Orlando, when James' heroics weren't enough to overcome the Magic making better than 10 3-pointers a game at a 40.8 percent clip.

50. 2002-03 Spurs
Record: 60-22
Rating: plus-7.2
2002-03 SPURS STATS
Point Differential: +5.4
Adjusted Playoff Point Differential: +9.6
Outcome: Def. NJ Nets 4-2 in Finals

The lowest-rated of San Antonio's five champions, the 2002-03 Spurs ranked third in the league in margin of victory during the regular season. San Antonio knocked off one of the two teams with better point differentials, the Dallas Mavericks (+7.8), in the Western Conference finals, and also ended the runs of the three-time defending champion Lakers in the conference semifinals and the two-time reigning East champion Nets in the Finals.


Ranking Methodology

For champions, I took the average of their point differential during the regular season and their point differential in the playoffs plus the point differential of their opponents. That tells us how many points per game better than an average team each champion was, giving equal weight to the postseason as the regular season to reward the most important games.

For non-champions, the starting point is the same, but their playoff differential was also adjusted by effectively giving them a five-point loss for each game they came up short of the title. That has little impact on teams like the 2012-13 Spurs who lost in Game 7 of the Finals, but harshly penalizes teams that rolled up big victory margins early in the playoffs before falling short in the conference finals.

The last adjustment deals with league-wide quality of play. It's no surprise that some of the greatest single-season team performances in NBA history came in the early 1970s, when the league had expanded quickly and also battled the ABA for incoming draft picks. The redistribution of talent allowed stars to shine even more brightly. For each season, I measured how players saw their minutes per game increase or decrease the following season as compared to what we'd expect given their age. More minutes suggests a weaker league, while fewer minutes suggests one that's gotten stronger.

Each season is rated relative to 2014-15, from a high of 24.1 percent stronger in 1965-66, the last year the NBA had just nine teams, to a low of 7.3 percent weaker in 2004-05, the last time the league expanded. That adjustment is multiplied by the team's average regular-season and playoff scores to give a final rating better than an average team this season.


The Warriors hype is real right now, they're better than the 01 Lakers? Even the 14 Spurs being in front of that Team is a joke. :facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

Too many older teams in the top 10. They wouldn't be championship contender in today's NBA. Warriors at top 10 sounds about right.

[SecondFiddle]

You're list is really unsexy, the 03 Spurs had four hall of famers, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Kevin 'lil arms' Willis, Steve Jackson and Bruce Bowen and you have them ranked 50th? Behind the 74 Bucks, wft - Milwaukee is so not sexy its ridiculous.

[warriorfan]

Yeah they are a fringe 10-spot All Time Great Team. The amazing part about this is how they are such a high ranking all time great team with only one hall of famer. All the other All Time Great teams have multiple Hall of Famers while Steph Curry didn't need anyone besides himself to propel a team to these heights. He is the GOAT PG and will be very high in the All Time Rankings when his career is all said and done.

[Optimus Prime]

The Warriors are a product of their soft era. They struggled against LeBron shooting like 30% and misfits. Come on now.

Better than the 01 Lakers? :facepalm

Advanced metrics are a joke. The 01 Lakers were one insane AI game away from sweeping the postseason. THE ENTIRE POSTSEASON.

:kobe:

[HOoopCityJones]

You're list is really unsexy, the 03 Spurs had four hall of famers, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Kevin 'lil arms' Willis, Steve Jackson and Bruce Bowen and you have them ranked 50th? Behind the 74 Bucks, wft - Milwaukee is so not sexy its ridiculous.

This aint my list at all, just an insider thing I read that was interesting.

This guy is using some trivial stuff here and there to give certain Teams the edge. It's obvious this is one of those puff pieces hyping the current champs, but 14 Spurs and 15 GSW over 2001 Lakers though? :biggums:

[SecondFiddle]

Too many older teams in the top 10. They wouldn't be championship contender in today's NBA. Warriors at top 10 sounds about right.
The Warriors are the least talented team to win the title since 1975, ranking these midgets in the top 10 all time is laughable. I'm too sexy for this thread, Fiddle Out!!!!!!!

[SecondFiddle]

This aint my list at all, just an insider thing I read that was interesting.

This guy is using some trivial stuff here and there to give certain Teams the edge. It's obvious this is one of those puff pieces hyping the current champs, but 14 Spurs and 15 GSW over 2001 Lakers though? :biggums:

O.k. well, excuse me Mr. Grodd for insinuating that you wrote this flaming piece of b.s.

[9erempiree]

This thread is insulting to many great teams of the past.

This Warriors team is not that great. Good team but not all time great.

[HOoopCityJones]

You can tell the analytic guys have been waiting for this, the fact 14 Spurs and 15 GSW are so high is a testament to the era of Basketball we're in.

[SecondFiddle]

Yeah they are a fringe 10-spot All Time Great Team. The amazing part about this is how they are such a high ranking all time great team with only one hall of famer. All the other All Time Great teams have multiple Hall of Famers while Steph Curry didn't need anyone besides himself to propel a team to these heights. He is the GOAT PG and will be very high in the All Time Rankings when his career is all said and done.

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[warriorfan]

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:oldlol:

What can you say? Some people just can't handle the truth.

Who else on the Warriors is making Hall of Fame besides Curry? Klay and Iguodala are probably not. Lee is a no. Bogut is a no. It's a pretty safe bet to place that Curry is going to be the only Hall of Fame member on the '15 GS team. I just don't see any of those other guys making it.

[1987_Lakers]

:oldlol:

What can you say? Some people just can't handle the truth.

Who else on the Warriors is making Hall of Fame besides Curry? Klay and Iguodala are probably not. Lee is a no. Bogut is a no. It's a pretty safe bet to place that Curry is going to be the only Hall of Fame member on the '15 GS team. I just don't see any of those other guys making it.

Basketball Hall of Fame is easy to get into.

Iggy does have an Olympic Gold Medal and the Finals MVP, maybe voters will vote him in one day?

Klay is still very young and just made the All-Star Team, if he makes a few more and has a long career he will get votes too.

[SHAQisGOAT]

'96 Bulls had the best record and were a tremendous team but much more comes to the table and I'd most likely have the '86 Celtics at #1, all things considered.

Imo, '83 76ers and '72 Lakers make the top10... How about '01 LA?

'85 Lakers were stacked like crazy, mighty potent offense, one of the best ever... but not top10 all-time team, in my book.

And were the **** are the Bad Boys? :wtf: Just a joke to see all those teams above them...

'08 Celtics are way too low.

Oh, and how about the '73 Knicks? Have them coming up the same but with the 3pt-line and they'd be champions TODAY (on the other hand, if '15 GS played in the 70's, without a 3pt-line, much more physicality, true handchecking... they wouldn't beat those Knicks).

Wasn't '65 Boston the best out of those Russell's dynasty teams? Either that or '62.



Too many older teams in the top 10. They wouldn't be championship contender in today's NBA. Warriors at top 10 sounds about right.

They're rightfully there, to say the least...
That's like saying these Warriors wouldn't be/do shit in a time where the NBA didn't have a 3pt-line, that's like calling out Curry because he wouldn't even be close to the MVP in the 80's due to the superstars in the league, much more physicality, non-guard oriented league (look at Zeke, Price, KJ, Stockton...), little dudes not lasting all that long, and even way less emphasis on the 3pt-shot while players didn't come up with it... And these hold much more water than what you've just said.

And, tbh, '15 Warriors wouldn't beat all but a couple - at the most - from those teams in that top10; given the same "circumstances", in a 7-games series.
Hell, they wouldn't beat teams like the '83 76ers or the '72 Lakers, that didn't even make that top10...

Shit, anybody really thinks these Warriors could beat the 2001 Lakers in a 7-game series? They're ranked above there :rolleyes: Gimme a break...

Calling '15 GS a top10 all-time team is too much of stretch in my book, easily...




37. 1983-84 Celtics

Boston's plus-4.2 playoff margin of victory ranks 42nd among NBA champions. The Celtics needed seven games to dispatch of a 47-win New York Knicks team in the conference semifinals and went the distance again in the NBA Finals against a relatively weak Lakers squad that had gone 54-28 in the regular season. Boston ranks this high by virtue of leaguewide quality of play; 1983-84 rates as the most competitive season since the NBA expanded beyond eight teams.

Weak Lakers squad? :roll:
Kareem still playing extremely well, Magic really coming into his own, sophomore Worthy already pretty good, McAdoo very serviceable off the bench, Michael Cooper, Rambis, rookie Byron Scott, Wilkes who got injured for good along the way, Swen Nater in his last season... One of the most stacked teams you'll see, killing in the Playoffs too, most people expected them to win it all at some point... Let's talk about that rs record though :rolleyes: :facepalm

Thing with the '84 Celtics is that many people only look at names and record, while they weren't even close to the '86 C's, for example, at all... McHale wasn't at his best yet, Cornbread wasn't close to his previous best level, Ainge wasn't yet doing much at all, DJ was coming in overweight and after injuries and other "issues" while he had not developed into that very good "PG-version" of himself from later on, Wedman dealt with injuries... Plus, they all played well below their standards throughout the Playoffs.
Bird carried that team all the way, like I've said many times for the PS he led them in points, rebounds, assists, steals, FG% and FT% all the way to the title against stacked teams.

[rmt]

This is the fallacy I was talking about in the 2000-2015 thread - ranking a team based on advanced metrics vs the competition of that year instead of thinking about the match ups between the different teams. No matter what advanced stats, point differentials, etc teams like 2014 Spurs and 2015 Warriors have - can they defend against great teams with dominant big men? I think the answer is no and therefore they can't be ranked higher than them.

Then people will say - which rules are they playing under? It's like comparing tennis players these days with the current racquet and string technology vs wooden racquets. Take Nadal and put him back in the 70s with the wooden racquets and faster surfaces - would he win 14 GSs? No way.

[D-Wade316]

15 GSW are nowhere near historically great. Just stop. Healthy Cavs would beat this team 100% sure. Hobbled Kyrie gave Curry fits. Cavs played good defense enough to slow down the Warriors but were lacking firepower to compete in the 4th. The Spurs and Clippers(disregarding the choke) would also beat them. Lots of teams from 00-15 could dispatch this Warriors.

14 Spurs
13 Spurs
13 Heat
12 Heat
12 Thunder???
11 Heat(outside the choke job)
11 Mavs
09 Lakers
08 Boston
07 Spurs
05 Spurs
05 Pistons
04 Pistons
04 Lakers(yes)
03 Spurs(yes)
03 Lakers(yes)
02 Kings
00-02 Lakers
00 Blazers

That's just from 00-15. How much more if I enumerate the Bulls, 80s Celtics and Lakers, etc. Pretty much every year Shaq was with the Lakers, they would beat the Warriors. This Warriors team would get hammered by any teams with great bigs.

Now I'm an analytic guy. But everything I saw from the Warriors this year clearly shows they come nowhere near as good as their stats might indicate.