Cavs looking to add a playmaker. Packaging Haywood's contract and 1st Rd Draft Pick.

[Mawly-G]

Source (https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/611906444460486656)

Which team do you think will bite, and who do you think the Cavs will end up with? I'm hearing Brandon Jennings' name being thrown around a bit on reddit. Not sure if that is realistic though.

Discuss.

[SwishSquared]

I don't think that Jennings right now is worth that nice of a tradeable contract and a pick coming off such a serious injury. In fact, I'd require something else back from Detroit if I'm the Cavs.

He wouldn't help their defense, but Miller + Haywood to the Pellies for Gordon is interesting imo. He could prop up their second unit scoring. Gives New Orleans cap relief to chase somebody like Carroll or Danny Green. Allows Cleveland to draft a wing defender still.

I'd personally target a 3&D wing for the Haywood deal. I said this in another thread, but I think Dudley would make a lot of sense. He needs to opt-in (maybe LBJ convinces him), but I think the Haywood contract makes for an interesting trade asset for the Bucks if they try to move up in the draft.

Cleveland then uses the mini-MLE to sign a playmaker off the bench (I think Aaron Brooks is a good fit).

[JerrySeinfeld]

Does Cleveland even have a scouting department? No point if they are just gonna ship out 1st rounders each year so Bron can have more help

[warriorfan]

Brandon Jennings sounds like a perfect scapegoat, he will be the perfect fit for LeBron Ball.

[IncarceratedBob]

Not sure if the money works but the Bucks are low on Jabari Parker, maybe the Cavs buy low on him?

[Lakers13]

LeGM looking to ship out another future talent to add another all star :bowdown:

[TiagoSimoes]

Not sure if the money works but the Bucks are low on Jabari Parker, maybe the Cavs buy low on him?

:biggums::biggums:

the bucks see him as the future along with giannis, he was doing good until injury

[COnDEMnED]

Nick Young or Jeremy Lin. Take your pick.

[Levity]

steve blake is an underrated playmaker.

[imnew09]

Lebron needs a prime Magic Johnson, Prime MJ, Prime Shaq

[LeFraud James]

Brandon Jennings sounds like a perfect scapegoat, he will be the perfect fit for LeBron Ball.

:roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

lebron needs to stack the stacked deck in case one of his superstars is injured and the deck is not so stacked anymore

[HOoopCityJones]

In B4 Rondo off the bench for The Cavs.

[Wally450]

So many haters in this thread :oldlol:

[sd3035]

Lebald is going to stack two different decks and still go 2/7 :roll:

[DMAVS41]

I don't think playmaking is what they will need to be honest. Obviously if Irving or James is hurt you'll need that, but you aren't winning shit without them anyway.

Why do teams with Lebron fool themselves into thinking he'd ever consistently play off the ball...and if he did...it's certainly not going to be in favor of someone not named Irving. With Irving playing 40 mpg in the playoffs like he will next year...there is simply no point in having another playmaker off the bench. To do what? Run like 3 plays a game with the ball in his hands? If that?

This team needs players that don't need the ball to have a high impact...I don't think the Cavs realize that with Irving and James healthy...there simply isn't room for another playmaker. Let alone Love getting into the mix as well.

This team needs defenders and guys that don't want to dominate the ball. Simple as that.

A guy like Batum would be a nice fit for this team in my opinion.

I'd go after Batum and try to get Steve Blake to opt in.

Haywood's and a first for Batum/Blake seems like a good deal for both teams.

[navy]

I don't think playmaking is what they will need to be honest. Obviously if Irving or James is hurt you'll need that, but you aren't winning shit without them anyway.

Why do teams with Lebron fool themselves into thinking he'd ever consistently play off the ball...and if he did...it's certainly not going to be in favor of someone not named Irving. With Irving playing 40 mpg in the playoffs like he will next year...there is simply no point in having another playmaker off the bench. To do what? Run like 3 plays a game with the ball in his hands? If that?

This team needs players that don't need the ball to have a high impact...I don't think the Cavs realize that with Irving and James healthy...there simply isn't room for another playmaker. Let alone Love getting into the mix as well.

This team needs defenders and guys that don't want to dominate the ball. Simple as that.

A guy like Batum would be a nice fit for this team in my opinion.

I'd go after Batum and try to get Steve Blake to opt in.

Haywood's and a first for Batum/Blake seems like a good deal for both teams.

Because if you have another playmaker Lebron and Irving dont have to be in the game at all times.

There were several times last year when the game was over and/or Lebron/Kyrie needed rest but Blatt had to keep Irving or Lebron in because they have no backup guy.

It makes sense. Give Lebron and Kyrie lots of rest. While getting that guy the Cavs need off the bench.

They had one of the worst benches last year, because Delly cant be relied on to even dribble.

It doesnt have to be a great playmaker. Just someone that can bring the ball up. It would have helped in the Finals this year. Maybe even take the Warriors to 7.

[Fallen Angel]

Haywood's and a first for Batum/Blake seems like a good deal for both teams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OfwhGQONbg

[Milbuck]

Not sure if the money works but the Bucks are low on Jabari Parker, maybe the Cavs buy low on him?
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[shrempf_on_rice]

The self proclaimed "best player in the world" needs a playmaker. Hahahahahhahahahaa!!!!
:roll::roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DMAVS41]

Because if you have another playmaker Lebron and Irving dont have to be in the game at all times.

There were several times last year when the game was over and/or Lebron/Kyrie needed rest but Blatt had to keep Irving or Lebron in because they have no backup guy.

It makes sense. Give Lebron and Kyrie lots of rest. While getting that guy the Cavs need off the bench.

They had one of the worst benches last year, because Delly cant be relied on to even dribble.

It doesnt have to be a great playmaker. Just someone that can bring the ball up. It would have helped in the Finals this year. Maybe even take the Warriors to 7.

That's too much to spend on a guy that won't play a role in the playoffs. You don't want some ball dominant highly paid player on this Cavs team.

My proposed deal also included Blake. More than good enough to come in during garbage time against garbage East teams.

[Kvnzhangyay]

The self proclaimed "best player in the world" needs a playmaker. Hahahahahhahahahaa!!!!
:roll::roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He needs one so that it doesn't have to always be either Kyrie or Lebron on the floor :facepalm

[navy]

That's too much to spend on a guy that won't play a role in the playoffs.

Maybe. But if Kyrie gets hurt again and they have another playmaker they honestly still have enough to win it all or come close. We saw that this year with Love and Kyrie out.

Plus it limits the chance of Kyrie getting hurt. So you are trying to keep him healthy and if it doesnt work anyways you have someone to take over.

Playmaker doesnt have to mean point guard or ball dominate. Just someone that you can rely on to score/facilitate on the bench. The Cavs dont have that. Batum and Steve Blake would be perfect. Hell even just Batum because he can bring the ball up by himself and facilitate/score. But the Blazers wont do that.

[chips93]

That's too much to spend on a guy that won't play a role in the playoffs. You don't want some ball dominant highly paid player on this Cavs team.

My proposed deal also included Blake. More than good enough to come in during garbage time against garbage East teams.

i think calderon could be a nice fit, he doesnt need the ball in his hands, but he can bring it up, and help save lebron's energy and he brings great shooting.

batum would be great, but thats unrealistic imo

[DMAVS41]

i think calderon could be a nice fit, he doesnt need the ball in his hands, but he can bring it up, and help save lebron's energy and he brings great shooting.

batum would be great, but thats unrealistic imo

Love the Calderon idea.

Batum depends on what happens with LMA. Batum has an expiring contract and I doubt he's in their future plans to be honest. Getting a first rounder and perhaps a guy like Joe Harris while saving some money might be a pretty good haul for him.

Calderon would be a great and he's on a good contract all things considered for the future, but I wonder if the Knicks would give him up. I mean...the knicks basically only have Calderon, Hardaway, and Melo on the books for next year.

Having a vet point guard that can shoot and pass as well as Calderon would be a big selling point for all these potential free agents they are going after.

Just don't think they'd pull the trigger when you know they don't want to miss the playoffs again next year.

[DMAVS41]

Maybe. But if Kyrie gets hurt again and they have another playmaker they honestly still have enough to win it all or come close. We saw that this year with Love and Kyrie out.

Plus it limits the chance of Kyrie getting hurt. So you are trying to keep him healthy and if it doesnt work anyways you have someone to take over.

Playmaker doesnt have to mean point guard or ball dominate. Just someone that you can rely on to score/facilitate on the bench. The Cavs dont have that. Batum and Steve Blake would be perfect. Hell even just Batum because he can bring the ball up by himself and facilitate/score. But the Blazers wont do that.


It depends on who you get.

Someone just suggested Calderon...and I love that idea.

I really think this Cavs team will blow through the East next year with any semblance of health. If they have Delly and Blake, for example, as the back up guards...that would be more than enough.

Kyrie and Lebron could each play under 33 minutes a game if need be and they could still cruise to 60 wins. The East is a true dumpster fire and they are going have one of the best rosters in recent memory.

[ballin33]

Steve Blake is good, but this team needs youth

[sfballa13]

Love the Calderon idea.

Batum depends on what happens with LMA. Batum has an expiring contract and I doubt he's in their future plans to be honest. Getting a first rounder and perhaps a guy like Joe Harris while saving some money might be a pretty good haul for him.

Batum's contract is expiring but if they trade him for Haywood they basically get the entire deal off their cap sheet so they can go spend that money on FA this offseason

I doubt a first round pick and Harris is enough for an expiring Batum I think Portland will hold off for a little bit more but Batum would blow up in Cleveland

it's clear Batum didnt give a shit last season but under Lebron's guidance and supervision and in a contract year he should give the Cavs a huge weapon off the bench

[DMAVS41]

Batum's contract is expiring but if they trade him for Haywood they basically get the entire deal off their cap sheet so they can go spend that money on FA this offseason

I doubt a first round pick and Harris is enough for an expiring Batum I think Portland will hold off for a little bit more but Batum would blow up in Cleveland

it's clear Batum didnt give a shit last season but under Lebron's guidance and supervision and in a contract year he should give the Cavs a huge weapon off the bench

It might not be enough, but the landscape has changed on this stuff in this CBA.

Afflalo went for peanuts....Fournier and the 56th pick. And he had 2 years left on 7.5 million a year...and that 2nd year isn't even a sure thing as he could opt out.

The point is, if a guy isn't in the long term plans for a team...they aren't valuing them as highly....and other teams aren't taking on salary as much as they used to.

I don't know if the Blazers are looking to move Batum or anything like that, but if they were.

Getting his entire contract off the books like you said for the year...and netting a first round pick is about as good as you can do in this climate imo.

[R.I.P.]

Gilbert: ....but we

[sbw19]

Believe I mentioned it in another thread but wouldn't hurt to bring up that stat again: Cavs sans LeBron averaged 7apg in the Finals. Even w Love and Irving, they could use some improvement in that department.

[Fallen Angel]

Nobody is taking Haywood's contract unless they are 100% certain that they will be able to flip him for a positive asset.

or if you're the Philadelphia 76ers

[Levity]

he's not really a playmaker, but its being reported that mo williams wants to come back to papa thundercat.

[navy]

he's not really a playmaker, but its being reported that mo williams wants to come back to papa thundercat.
He's better than Delly. do the cavs want him back?

[longtime lurker]

Nick Young and Ryan Kelly for Haywood and a first.

[navy]

Nick Young and Ryan Kelly for Haywood and a first.
I dont think they can handle a second jr smith :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

I dont think they can handle a second jr smith :oldlol:

Lol to be honest Nick Young is not like Jr Smith. He's definitely a goofy guy on the floor but he's play under control in a structured system. Ryan Kelly would pretty much be heaven for Lebron.

[navy]

Lol to be honest Nick Young is not like Jr Smith. He's definitely a goofy guy on the floor but he's play under control in a structured system. Ryan Kelly would pretty much be heaven for Lebron.
The Cavs want someone that can be on the floor without Lebron and Kyrie.

I dont think you can leave Nick Young out there alone and expect him to make the right play.

[Cocaine80s]

Haywood and 1st rounder for Kobe

[HurricaneKid]

Nobody is taking Haywood's contract unless they are 100% certain that they will be able to flip him for a positive asset.

or if you're the Philadelphia 76ers

You misunderstand. Haywood has a 10M voidable deal. No one ever would pay him that. What they can do is trade up to 12.5M for him then cut him, saving themselves the full salary of the player they send away.

[SwishSquared]

I don't think playmaking is what they will need to be honest. Obviously if Irving or James is hurt you'll need that, but you aren't winning shit without them anyway.

Why do teams with Lebron fool themselves into thinking he'd ever consistently play off the ball...and if he did...it's certainly not going to be in favor of someone not named Irving. With Irving playing 40 mpg in the playoffs like he will next year...there is simply no point in having another playmaker off the bench. To do what? Run like 3 plays a game with the ball in his hands? If that?

This team needs players that don't need the ball to have a high impact...I don't think the Cavs realize that with Irving and James healthy...there simply isn't room for another playmaker. Let alone Love getting into the mix as well.

This team needs defenders and guys that don't want to dominate the ball. Simple as that.

A guy like Batum would be a nice fit for this team in my opinion.

I'd go after Batum and try to get Steve Blake to opt in.

Haywood's and a first for Batum/Blake seems like a good deal for both teams.Batum would thrive in Cleveland. Wow how did I not think of him. I remember in a thread recently, I suggested that if LMA ditches Portland, they should trade him to OKC for something based around this year's lotto pick. Maybe LBJ recruits Batum hard to force Portland's hand. His all-around game would greatly help imo. He was fantastic from deep 2013-2014 I think. His wrist injury threw off his stroke I think this season.

For the Haywood contract, I suggested Dudley (if he opts-in) b/c it would create a $6M TPE that they could use mid-season if they need a trade. But Batum is even better.

I think Aaron Brooks at the mini-MLE makes a lot of sense for Cleveland. I don't think he'll get a much bigger deal than Augustin got last summer ($6M/2 years). He can play just fine backing up Kyrie and you can go to Delly situationally if you need defense/hustle.

[STATUTORY]

:roll: Lebron looking for dat big d!ck alpha on and off the court

[fragokota]

Nobody is taking Haywood's contract unless they are 100% certain that they will be able to flip him for a positive asset.

or if you're the Philadelphia 76ers

This is either trolling or stupidity...

[Rose'sACL]

This is either trolling or stupidity...
stupidity. see his other posts across this board.

[SpaceJammeR]

lol at haters saying lebron needs more help. dog u fn kitten me. did you see how bad the guys were in the post season can't even pass or dribble or shoot. lol

[buddha]

Danny Green seems like a good fit to replace J.R.

Kyrie Irving / Matthew Dellevadova
Danny Green / Iman Shumpert
LeBron James / James Jones
Kevin Love / Tristan Thompson
Timofey Mozgov

is easily the most talented team in the NBA.

[navy]

Danny Green seems like a good fit to replace J.R.

Kyrie Irving / Matthew Dellevadova
Danny Green / Iman Shumpert
LeBron James / James Jones
Kevin Love / Tristan Thompson
Timofey Mozgov

is easily the most talented team in the NBA.
Danny Green is too expensive and that leaves Delly and Shumpert as the guys running the bench offense.

[Alamо]

Shabazz napier

[SwishSquared]

Danny Green seems like a good fit to replace J.R.

Kyrie Irving / Matthew Dellevadova
Danny Green / Iman Shumpert
LeBron James / James Jones
Kevin Love / Tristan Thompson
Timofey Mozgov

is easily the most talented team in the NBA.Cavs are hard-capped if they get Green through S&T. That means they have to trade others and/or prevents them from retaining their own FAs.

[Meticode]

There's rumors going around that Mo Williams is interested in coming back and playing. I don't like that at all. He didn't perform pretty much any of the times he was in the playoffs.

[Nash]

Maybe MKG?

[Nash]

Shabazz napier
pretty sure he'd be the delly/norris cole of this years playoffs playing with Lebron if he had stayed in Miami.