Non-Star Small Forwards Won FMVP against LeBron Back to Back

[lefthook00]

Two years in a row now, players that play LeBron's position, who weren't all-stars, had their coming out party against him and won FMVP. What's the significance of this?

[SpecialQue]

Creation of a false narrative stating that guarding the best player in the league successfully means that you are obviously deserving of FMVP.

[FKAri]

Stopping Lebron = win :confusedshrug:

[IncarceratedBob]

Leonard isn't a star? Top 10 NBA player, certifiable all star, literally the best defender and hardest working player n the NBA. I'd love to see you argue your ignorant position

[JtotheIzzo]

Its huge actually, but I also think it is easier to defend in the modern era so these guys ride waves of emotion and end up balling on the other end, plus both are insane athletes and competitors.

MJ and Kobe could score all over the floor, cross you up, step through, step back, pump fake, up and under, side to side etc. It was tiring as fakk. Today's AAU bred stars simply shoot threes and rim twos, there is no midrange, limited post ups and the attacker is either right under the hoop or 25 feet away so boxing out etc becomes easier.

Bran can do what he wants on the floor but guarding him is a lot less taxing (not necessarily easier) than Kobe or MJ because of how the game has evolved in the AAU/analytics era.

[PsychoBe]

Creation of a false narrative stating that guarding the best player in the league successfully means that you are obviously deserving of FMVP.

25% beyond 5ft

38% for the series

you're telling me that defense wins games but it can't win you an fmvp?

shows how much fans truly "respect" defense. none of you truly do. you just want highlight dunks, game clinching jumpshots or fade-away dagger 3's but as soon as someone plays all-time great defense everyone turns a blind eye to it :facepalm

[lefthook00]

Leonard isn't a star? Top 10 NBA player, certifiable all star, literally the best defender and hardest working player n the NBA. I'd love to see you argue your ignorant position

I don't think he was a bonafide star at the the time. As I said, it was his coming out party.

[Hey Yo]

Two years in a row now, players that play LeBron's position, who weren't all-stars, had their coming out party against him and won FMVP. What's the significance of this?
It means that both players were givin' FMVP due to the supposed shutting down of LeBron.

When Iggy started the last 3 games, James avg. 31.5ppg and when didn't start the first 3 he avg. like 40ppg. Against Leonard, 28.2ppg. Yet both of them avg. 18ppg.

Yeah....they really shut James down. :rolleyes:

btw...Iguodala didn't have his "coming out party." he's an 11yr vet who's been a starter in this league since he was 21yrs old, until the this season was asked to come off the bench.

[PsychoBe]

It means that both players were givin' FMVP due to the supposed shutting down of LeBron.

When Iggy started the last 3 games, James avg. 31.5ppg and when didn't start the first 3 he avg. like 40ppg. Against Leonard, 28.2ppg. Yet both of them avg. 18ppg.

Yeah....they really shut James down. :rolleyes:

38%

[Ne 1]

It means that both players were givin' FMVP due to the supposed shutting down of LeBron.

When Iggy started the last 3 games, James avg. 31.5ppg and when didn't start the first 3 he avg. like 40ppg. Against Leonard, 28.2ppg. Yet both of them avg. 18ppg.

Yeah....they really shut James down. :rolleyes:
Seems like efficiency and field goal percentage is no longer part of LeBron stans vocabulary who were once very vocal about it and would often cite John Hollinger and Henry Abbot. :oldlol:

[lefthook00]

It means that both players were givin' FMVP due to the supposed shutting down of LeBron.

When Iggy started the last 3 games, James avg. 31.5ppg and when didn't start the first 3 he avg. like 40ppg. Against Leonard, 28.2ppg. Yet both of them avg. 18ppg.

Yeah....they really shut James down. :rolleyes:

btw...Iguodala didn't have his "coming out party." he's an 11yr vet who's been a starter in this league since he was 21yrs old, until the this season was asked to come off the bench.

Yeah and Iggy has been one of the best perimeter defenders in the league for many years now and a multiple time all-star, but you know what I mean.

[Hey Yo]

Seems like efficiency and field goal percentage is no longer part of LeBron stans vocabulary who were once very vocal about it and would often cite John Hollinger and Henry Abbot. :oldlol:
So any other player that avg. what LeBron did, in the Finals, you would say got "shutdown?"

[STATUTORY]

So any other player that avg. what LeBron did, in the Finals, you would say got "shutdown?"

it's about the percentages, golden states was allowing lebron to take open shots and he still never hit 50+ on them pathetic

[red1]

Creation of a false narrative stating that guarding the best player in the league successfully means that you are obviously deserving of FMVP.
bingo

[Heavincent]

It means that both players were givin' FMVP due to the supposed shutting down of LeBron.

When Iggy started the last 3 games, James avg. 31.5ppg and when didn't start the first 3 he avg. like 40ppg. Against Leonard, 28.2ppg. Yet both of them avg. 18ppg.

Yeah....they really shut James down. :rolleyes:

btw...Iguodala didn't have his "coming out party." he's an 11yr vet who's been a starter in this league since he was 21yrs old, until the this season was asked to come off the bench.

Lebron shot like 38% when guarded by Iguodala. How is that not shutting him down?

[Rocketswin2013]

Igoudola played great defense but all he did was hit open shots Cleveland dared him to shoot.

Leonard got shat on by LeBron scoring wise. He just played on an extremely potent offense that literally shot better on contested jumpers than open ones. When fggots learn the concept of context, things become a lot easier to understand.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron shot like 38% when guarded by Iguodala. How is that not shutting him down?
Because James wouldn't have avg. 31.5ppg the last 3 games when Iguodala started.

Sure he shot a bad percentage, but still got his team "much needed" offense/ points. That's not getting, shutdown

[PsychoBe]

Because James wouldn't have avg. 31.5ppg the last 3 games when Iguodala started.

Sure he shot a bad percentage, but still got his team "much needed" offense/ points. That's not getting, shutdown

25% beyond 5ft

[LAZERUSS]

It's pretty amazing.

Lebron's supporting cast in that Finals, which couldn't beat a local YMCA team, carried LBJ to two wins, and two close losses against a 67-15 Warriors team with the #1 defense in the league.

Who could tell that by looking at JR Smith's, Deli's, and Shumpert's FG%'s of .312, .283, and .258? Obviously those numbers don't show what true forces they were in that series.

Hell, if Lebron hadn't played at all they might have beaten the Warriors.

[JZ600]

37/13/9 = shutdown

[TheMarkMadsen]

Its huge actually, but I also think it is easier to defend in the modern era so these guys ride waves of emotion and end up balling on the other end, plus both are insane athletes and competitors.

MJ and Kobe could score all over the floor, cross you up, step through, step back, pump fake, up and under, side to side etc. It was tiring as fakk. Today's AAU bred stars simply shoot threes and rim twos, there is no midrange, limited post ups and the attacker is either right under the hoop or 25 feet away so boxing out etc becomes easier.

Bran can do what he wants on the floor but guarding him is a lot less taxing (not necessarily easier) than Kobe or MJ because of how the game has evolved in the AAU/analytics era.


Beautiful post

[TheMarkMadsen]

What were Lebrons stats when guarded by Iggy??

[Trollsmasher]

That only confirms LeBron's greatness.

Since the award simply can't be awarded to a player on the losing team, the league automatically gives it to the player guarding LeBron, regardless of how well did they actually do.

[red1]

That only confirms LeBron's greatness.

Since the award simply can't be awarded to a player on the losing team, the league automatically gives it to the player guarding LeBron, regardless of how well did they actually do.
yeah man. guard lbj AND win the series? instant fmvp

[rmt]

That "Non-Star" is only 23 years old with FMVP and DPOY awards and will get a max contract. How many of those are in the NBA? All of you would be slobbering at the thought of having Leonard on your favorite team.

I am glad to see that voters are finally rewarding defensive work instead of just looking at which player scored the most.

[Lakers13]

Failyn is getting old and can't stop anyone, his defense wasn't good to begin with, one on one wise anyhow

[TimmyDuncan]

Leonard isn't a star? Top 10 NBA player, certifiable all star, literally the best defender and hardest working player n the NBA. I'd love to see you argue your ignorant position

Kawhi regular season that year : 12,8 pts, 6,2 rbs, 2 ast
Kawhi first 3 rounds that year : 13,3 pts, 6,8 rbd, 1,6 ast

Kawhi wasn't a star

I'd love to see you argue your ignorant position

[Timmy D for MVP]

Both create false narratives.

The Spurs really closed the book on Miami last year when Kawhi took on a greater scoring load and changed the series. So he became the FMVP because of his impact on changing the series.

The Warriors took over the series when Iguodala started. It was not his defense that won him the award but the impact his starting had on the nature of the series.

I'm confident you already knew all that though.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Kawhi regular season that year : 12,8 pts, 6,2 rbs, 2 ast
Kawhi first 3 rounds that year : 13,3 pts, 6,8 rbd, 1,6 ast

Kawhi wasn't a star

I'd love to see you argue your ignorant position

Kawhi was already a player that everyone knew was a star player in waiting. He just had to put it all together. It was not a surprise that he took off. It wasn't like he came out of nowhere.

What WAS a surprise was just how good he looked. We knew he was a star in waiting, we didn't know he was a potential superstar and one of the NBA's best players in waiting.

[Bobby13]

25% beyond 5ft

That has to be a fake number...how in the hell does an NBA player, let alone a star player, shoot that poorly from the field? That's some Melo-esque nonsense right there

[WorldWarriors]

Both create false narratives.

The Spurs really closed the book on Miami last year when Kawhi took on a greater scoring load and changed the series. So he became the FMVP because of his impact on changing the series.

The Warriors took over the series when Iguodala started. It was not his defense that won him the award but the impact his starting had on the nature of the series.

I'm confident you already knew all that though. Exactly. Iggy did a lot more than played defense. He not only became a scorer but also became a playmaker when step was doubled and had to dump the ball off.
Iggy had a lot of assists. He was able to execute the Warriors game plan when Step was being guarded.