Rockets make Sergio Llull $24 million offer.

[UK2K]

So it begins.

https://youtu.be/ukR4CiRHQG8


Sergio Llull of Real Madrid went five-for-five from long range in the first quarter of the ACB Finals Game 2 against FC Barcelona.
Llull ended with 24 points and 6-for-8 from the arc.

[jzek]

Since Llull might now end up in the NBA, Euroleague will now think he's a scrub.

[Pushxx]

$24 million over how many years?

[JISU]

I have seen Llull playing in ACB and Euroleague since his beginning. Nowadays he is a top combo-guard in Europe with a great defense 1 vs 1, very good getting to the rim and a decent long-range shot.

A star in the NBA ? I don

[noob cake]

Anyone is better than Beverly

[StephHamann]

Anyone is better than Beverly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtAKcesGJY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puFKRBlczUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqtuVSbKEkk

[Smook A.]

He better accept it.

[HylianNightmare]

Nice

[Fallen Angel]

Since Llull might now end up in the NBA, Euroleague will now think he's a scrub.
This.

He's probably deleting old posts complimenting Sergio so he can pass of that he's a scrub.

[ButterFace]

So he previously went un-drafted?

[Rocketswin2013]

He better accept it.
Guy supposedly locked Tony Parker down In some international game a few years ago. Supposed to be a beast defender.

[UK2K]

So he previously went un-drafted?

2nd round pick by the Nugs in 2009 I believe. He's 27 now, and from the looks of things, would be a nice compliment to Harden, especially when Harden is off the floor.

Because God knows when Harden sits down, the offense grinds to a halt.


As a member of the junior Spanish national basketball teams, Llull won the gold medal at the 2004 FIBA Europe Under-18 Championship and he won the silver medal at the 2007 FIBA Europe Under-20 Championship. He has also played with the senior men's Spanish national basketball team. He won two gold medals at the EuroBasket, in 2009 and 2011, and he also played at the 2010 FIBA World Championship.

He won the silver medal at the 2012 Summer Olympic Games.

Individual awards
All-Euroleague Second Team: 2011
Spanish King's Cup MVP: 2012
All-Spanish League Team: 2012
Spanish Supercup MVP: 2014

[FKAri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtAKcesGJY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puFKRBlczUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqtuVSbKEkk

Playoffs Rondo doe

[morbius]

Can't believe he's only 27, it feels like he has been playing forever. Good player, no doubt. Can create, pass, shoot.

[outbreak]

This.

He's probably deleting old posts complimenting Sergio so he can pass of that he's a scrub.
This

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Damn, he's automatically better than Spanoulis.

[bdreason]

Best player on the best club team in Europe. I wish more of these top European players would come over. I think it really comes down to dollars and cents. I wonder how much this guy is making at Real.

[Maga_1]

He has been damn good this last couple of seasons, but sometimes he hits the wall pretty hard with his shot selection.
He will be the best PG for Houston, no doubts. I just want him to come off the bench and have the ball in his hands, that's where he's good at.

I'm trying to think about a good comparation to him and i just can't see it.

[SwishSquared]

Morey may field a very deep roster next season. Coming off his latest game, he can almost name his price. Agree with bdreason- I'm hoping we got more international talent making the jump to the NBA.

I'm fascinated to see how he'll fare next year. I want to see Papanikolao bounce back next year b/c he's a pretty crafty guy. This deal also could bring some leverage in the Beverly negotiations.

[Maga_1]

Best player on the best club team in Europe. I wish more of these top European players would come over. I think it really comes down to dollars and cents. I wonder how much this guy is making at Real.

I think his contract was around 1.5million for year, but i'm not quite sure.
Best player? Hmm, Rudy is playing at another level too.

[Andrew Wiggins]

he's a terrific player. i've seen him play live many times. it's hit or miss whether or not his game will translate well to the nba, though. he's certainly not a pure point guard.

[Euroleague]

If this is true, then Daryl Morey has confirmed that he is retarded.

[Euroleague]

Since Llull might now end up in the NBA, Euroleague will now think he's a scrub.

Stop trolling and harassing or you will be reported directly to Jeff and Steve.

I have never called any player from Euroleague a scrub unless they were one, and I have never EVER called any player in the NBA a scrub unless they were one.

And I have never in my life called Lull a scrub.

You have made these kinds of unwarranted baseless defamation attacks against me here numerous times without reason. Do it again and I am reporting you straight to admin, not the mods.


This

Same goes for you.

[Euroleague]

2nd round pick by the Nugs in 2009 I believe. He's 27 now, and from the looks of things, would be a nice compliment to Harden, especially when Harden is off the floor.

Because God knows when Harden sits down, the offense grinds to a halt.

Did you really just bold a Spanish Supercup MVP?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Euroleague]

Best player on the best club team in Europe. I wish more of these top European players would come over. I think it really comes down to dollars and cents. I wonder how much this guy is making at Real.

Llull is a very good player, but he's never at any time ever been the best player on Real Madrid.

You clowns can't EVER contain yourselves from trolling.

Let's see, so when he was on Real Madrid, like half the team was winning MVP awards, EXCEPT HIM.

Yeah sure, "he's the best player on the team".

GTFO

[UK2K]

Did you really just bold a Spanish Supercup MVP?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
I bolded an MVP.

[Euroleague]

He has been damn good this last couple of seasons, but sometimes he hits the wall pretty hard with his shot selection.
He will be the best PG for Houston, no doubts. I just want him to come off the bench and have the ball in his hands, that's where he's good at.

I'm trying to think about a good comparation to him and i just can't see it.

WTF? Why are you trolling? He's a shooting guard with a good handle. He's a guy that likes to drive the ball a lot and chuck the hell out of 3s all the time.

How the hell is he the best point guard on a team like Houston that has Howard and Harden? This is the same guy that YELLS and SCREAMS at his coach if he is even asked to make more than a couple of post passes in a row.

I'm not sure what kind of drugs you are smoking.

[Euroleague]

he's a terrific player. i've seen him play live many times. it's hit or miss whether or not his game will translate well to the nba, though. he's certainly not a pure point guard.

Of course he's not a pure point guard. That's like Prigioni. Don't see many of them in NBA. Llull is a shooting guard with good handles. He's not even a point guard and in Real Madrid he is never used like one anyway.

So no idea what the hell Morey is on calling him a point guard.

Anyway, why would he have any problem in the NBA? He's a very good player and the NBA is easy as hell for small guards. Under NBA rules defense is basically illegal in the NBA on small guards, so someone like Llull should have it very easy in NBA, and be a much better player in NBA. Just like Rubio said, it's easier to play in NBA than in Euroleague.

All this "translating" talk is bullshit.

[dannywpt]

If this is true, then Daryl Morey has confirmed that he is retarded.

So paying a few million a year to one of the best players in Europe makes you a retarded NBA GM?

Glad to see you coming around.

[Euroleague]

I think his contract was around 1.5million for year, but i'm not quite sure.
Best player? Hmm, Rudy is playing at another level too.

I think Llull made about 1.3 million euros net income.

Rudy
Reyes
Rodriguez

Are all better than Llull. Ayon and Bourousis are also better players than Llull, but they get very limited playing time and roles due to how their coach utilizes them, compared to how Llull is used. So they are not as good on that particular team. Put all 3 in any other team though, and they are better than Llull also.

Maciulis is as an overall player of similar quality to Llull. He's about as good as Llull is. I would give Llull a slight edge due to ball handling.

And KC Rivers is also about at Llull's level as well. Rivers is also almost as good as Llull, but again, I would give Llull a slight edge due to ball handling.

And then Llull is better than Jaycee Caroll, mainly because all Caroll really does is play defense and shoot 3s. However, Llull is not that much better than Caroll. Because Caroll is very good at defense and shooting 3s, and he's a lot better at what he does than Llull is at anything he does.

And to put it bluntly, to say Llull is better than Rudy is absolutely INSANE. To say he's even better than Reyes is pretty much insane also.

Llull is a very good player and I fully believe he will do fine in the NBA, in fact I am sure he can start for the Rockets and produce.

But this is JUST EXACTLY LIKE THOSE TALKS HERE ABOUT MIROTIC LAST SEASON.

All these freaking IDIOTS were claiming he was the best player in Europe, when he was about the 5th to 6th best player on Real Madrid. Like I said, he would do fine, play about 20 minutes a game, average about 10 and 5, and I was proven 100% exactly right, and he averaged exactly that.

These IDIOTS here kept on with all the "best player in Europe" BULLSHIT though. Now the SAME shit with Llull.

Bottom line - he's a good player, but to suggest he's the best player on Real Madrid, it actually makes me laugh. Even with Mirotic, I simply corrected these clowns on it. With Llull, reading that post, I actually laughed. I mean GET THE **** OUT.

Llull better than Rudy Fernandez?

:roll:

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[Euroleague]

I bolded an MVP.

Do you even know what the Spanish Supercup is?

Come on man. Please get serious.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Of course he's not a pure point guard. That's like Prigioni. Don't see many of them in NBA. Llull is a shooting guard with good handles. He's not even a point guard and in Real Madrid he is never used like one anyway.

So no idea what the hell Morey is on calling him a point guard.

Anyway, why would he have any problem in the NBA? He's a very good player and the NBA is easy as hell for small guards. Under NBA rules defense is basically illegal in the NBA on small guards, so someone like Llull should have it very easy in NBA, and be a much better player in NBA. Just like Rubio said, it's easier to play in NBA than in Euroelague.

All this "translating" talk is bullshit.

you're too much of a deranged moron to respond cogently to :lol

[UK2K]

Do you even know what the Spanish Supercup is?

Come on man. Please get serious.

He's versatile.

[Euroleague]

So paying a few million a year to one of the best players in Europe makes you a retarded NBA GM?

Glad to see you coming around.

Paying $8 million a year to a probably top 15-20 combo guard in Europe is very STUPID.

[Rooster]

Best player on the best club team in Europe. I wish more of these top European players would come over. I think it really comes down to dollars and cents. I wonder how much this guy is making at Real.

Most of them, their talent does not translate well in the NBA because of that lack of athleticism and soft. There are few that can be specialist but they rather be a star and make money in the minor league than wave the towel and Buttshifting in the pros like VSpan. Llull is athletic though for a Euro and can crate his own shot and make plays which Rockets direly need.

[Optimus Prime]

They should offer $24 million for 2.7 PPG and 0.9 APG instead.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Vasileios_Spanoulis_in_Houston.jpg/220px-Vasileios_Spanoulis_in_Houston.jpg

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/42053/26bd4481-b158-4149-974c-6a6a43c9d5e0/857/filename/vassilis-spanoulis-panathinaikos-piraeus-eb12.jpg

[Euroleague]

He's versatile.

Spanish Supercup is a one game deal that happens in pre season every year before the league even begins. That's like the least important thing in his whole career probably.

There was no reason to highlight that. It just shows you have no clue about European basketball and don't follow it or watch it or know anything about it.

Actually, the only thing anyone even cares about that is that it was a derby game (el clasico).

You should not be commenting with dumb crap like that. I am sure Llull actually did stuff in his career that was WAY MORE pertinent than that by like 50 times. Like being a key role player in a Euroleague champion team for example.

[Euroleague]

you're too much of a deranged moron to respond cogently to :lol

Always the same BS with you. Every time someone tells the truth and tells like it is, you resort to labeling them a lunatic.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Get a new shtick.

[UK2K]

Spanish Supercup is a one game deal that happens in pre season every year before the league even begins. That's like the least important thing in his whole career probably.

There was no reason to highlight that. It just shows you have no clue about European basketball and don't follow it or watch it or know anything about it.

Actually, the only thing anyone even cares about that is that it was a derby game (el clasico).

You should not be commenting with dumb crap like that. I am sure Llull actually did stuff in his career that was WAY MORE pertinent than that by like 50 times. Like being a key role player in a Euroleague champion team for example.

Haha you're right. I dont give two shits for Euro ball.

I do know, though, that if Morey is willing to offer him that kind of money, he's probably worth it (See: Beverley, Patrick; Ariza, Tervor; Smith, Josh; Capela, Clint; Brewer, Corey; Terry, Jason; Harden, James; Howard, Dwight).

There really isn't a single overpaid player on their team. In Morey I trust.

[Euroleague]

They should offer $24 million for 2.7 PPG and 0.9 APG instead.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Vasileios_Spanoulis_in_Houston.jpg/220px-Vasileios_Spanoulis_in_Houston.jpg

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/42053/26bd4481-b158-4149-974c-6a6a43c9d5e0/857/filename/vassilis-spanoulis-panathinaikos-piraeus-eb12.jpg

You can go right to euroleague.net and right at the Euroleague final game it has quotes from Sergio Llull himself saying that Spanoulis is the best player in Europe.

So I would steer clear of your usual trolling methodology in Llull related threads.

[Euroleague]

Haha you're right. I dont give two shits for Euro ball.

I do know, though, that if Morey is willing to offer him that kind of money, he's probably worth it (See: Beverley, Patrick; Ariza, Tervor; Smith, Josh; Capela, Clint; Brewer, Corey; Terry, Jason; Harden, James; Howard, Dwight).

There really isn't a single overpaid player on their team. In Morey I trust.


That's funny, because there are plenty of guys from Europe that he could have gotten for cheaper than Capela that are WAY BETTER than he is. There are plenty of guys from Europe he could have gotten that also would be WAY BETTER than Beverley and make less than he does also.

And Llull is basically about a top 15-20 something like that combo guard in Europe (not saying that is bad - that level of player is way higher than Beverley). And Morey is wanting to give him around $8 million a year?

The very highest paid players in Europe make about NBA equivalent salaries in 8-10 million range and it varies from year to year. In other words, Morey could probably get any one of THE premiere point guards in Europe for that.

So right there, are THREE EXAMPLES of HUGELY OVERPAID PLAYERS taken from Europe.

[UK2K]

That's funny, because there are plenty of guys from Europe that he could have gotten for cheaper than Capela that are WAY BETTER than he is. There are plenty of guys from Europe he could have gotten that also would be WAY BETTER than Beverley and make less than he does also.

And Llull is basically about a top 15-20 something like that combo guard in Europe (not saying that is bad - that level of player is way higher than Beverley). And Morey is wanting to give him around $8 million a year?

The very highest paid players in Europe make about NBA equivalent salaries in 8-10 million range and it varies from year to year. In other words, Morey could probably get any one of THE premiere point guards in Europe for that.

So right there, are THREE EXAMPLES of HUGELY OVERPAID PLAYERS taken from Europe.
Capela was the #25th pick in the draft and makes $1m per year.

Bev is making $800,000.......

..........

[Euroleague]

Capela was the #25th pick in the draft and makes $1m per year.

Bev is making $800,000.......

..........

First off, Capela makes about $1.2 million. Secondly, Beverley makes around $915,000.

There are all kinds of centers in Europe that are VASTLY SUPERIOR to Capela and could be signed for less than Capela makes.

Morey HUGELY, no strike that, ENORMOUSLY OVERPAID, considering Capela's contract will keep going up.

Beverley's salary would come to around

[Rooster]

Haha you're right. I dont give two shits for Euro ball.

I do know, though, that if Morey is willing to offer him that kind of money, he's probably worth it (See: Beverley, Patrick; Ariza, Tervor; Smith, Josh; Capela, Clint; Brewer, Corey; Terry, Jason; Harden, James; Howard, Dwight).

There really isn't a single overpaid player on their team. In Morey I trust.

Papanikolau is overpaid though. He was supposed to be athletic enough for NBA but he barely played. Guys in Europe playing in minor league like Bourossis even take steroids reportedly to go to NBA and get paid like Pekovic but still too stiff for the NBA competition.

[FKAri]

Euroleague, in your opinion, who are the top5 players in the world, in order?

[UK2K]

Papanikolau is overpaid though. He was supposed to be athletic enough for NBA but he barely played. Guys in Europe playing in minor league like Bourossis even take steroids reportedly to go to NBA and get paid like Pekovic but still too stiff for the NBA competition.

Oh yeah forgot about him.

Yeah I'll give you that one. He is overpaid.

[Euroleague]

Papanikolau is overpaid though. He was supposed to be athletic enough for NBA but he barely played. Guys in Europe playing in minor league like Bourossis even take steroids reportedly to go to NBA and get paid like Pekovic but still too stiff for the NBA competition.

WTF? Newsflash moron, in Europe they actually test your blood and urine with no warning, 18 times a season, during the season in your national league, and an additional 13 times a season in Euroleague and/or Eurocup if you also play there. So 31 times a season total for blood and urine tests with no warning for players like Bourousis.

Plus you get tested for playing with your national team, and a player like Bourousis, always plays with his national team. And usually the players get tested about 3-4 times a year for their national teams.

And it is a TWO YEAR BAN for ONE FAILED TEST.

I don't recall Bourousis ever once in his entire career ever missing a single game for a drug suspension, let alone two whole freaking seasons.

[Euroleague]

Oh yeah forgot about him.

Yeah I'll give you that one. He is overpaid.

Papanikolaou at $5 million a year is overpaid? Yes, he is.

Llull at $8 million a year would be more overpaid than he is.

[wigwan]

WTF? Newsflash moron, in Europe they actually test your blood and urine with no warning, 18 times a season, during the season in your national league, and an additional 13 times a season in Euroleague and/or Eurocup if you also play there. So 31 times a season total for blood and urine tests with no warning for players like Bourousis.

Plus you get tested for playing with your national team, and a player like Bourousis, always plays with his national team. And usually the players get tested about 3-4 times a year for their national teams.

And it is a TWO YEAR BAN for ONE FAILED TEST.

I don't recall Bourousis ever once in his entire career ever missing a single game for a drug suspension, let alone two whole freaking seasons.

I'm not very familiar with Euroleague drug testing, but that number seems quite high. Even in cycling and tennis they don't get tested that often and blood testing is quite expensive. In the Tour de France, the best riders may have only 3-4 blood tests and a dozen urine tests.

And for the second part, it has been proven many times that drug tests can easily be beaten. Just a reminder, Lance Armstong, Barry Bonds, Ian Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Marion Jones, etc. have never tested positive.

[wigwan]

That's funny, because there are plenty of guys from Europe that he could have gotten for cheaper than Capela that are WAY BETTER than he is. There are plenty of guys from Europe he could have gotten that also would be WAY BETTER than Beverley and make less than he does also.

And Llull is basically about a top 15-20 something like that combo guard in Europe (not saying that is bad - that level of player is way higher than Beverley). And Morey is wanting to give him around $8 million a year?

The very highest paid players in Europe make about NBA equivalent salaries in 8-10 million range and it varies from year to year. In other words, Morey could probably get any one of THE premiere point guards in Europe for that.

So right there, are THREE EXAMPLES of HUGELY OVERPAID PLAYERS taken from Europe.

There might be better center than Capela, but would they have accepted to sign for only 1m$ and a limited role behind Dwight Howard? And would they accept to come to America?

For exemple, Rudy is better than Llull but he doesn't seem interested by the NBA anymore. Could the Rockets offer 8m$ to Rudy and have a better bargain than with Llull? Yes. Would Rudy accept this offer? No, hence why the money goes to a lesser player.

[rezznor]

Stop trolling and harassing or you will be reported directly to Jeff and Steve.

I have never called any player from Euroleague a scrub unless they were one, and I have never EVER called any player in the NBA a scrub unless they were one.

And I have never in my life called Lull a scrub.

You have made these kinds of unwarranted baseless defamation attacks against me here numerous times without reason. Do it again and I am reporting you straight to admin, not the mods.



Same goes for you.do you seriously think anyone here gives 2 shits who you report them to? you are a god damned fool

[Rocketswin2013]

Papanikolaou at $5 million a year is overpaid? Yes, he is.

Llull at $8 million a year would be more overpaid than he is.
Papa was a non-guaranteed contract. Llull is a much better player

[Cone]

and this is why rockets are a failure of a franchise. :oldlol:

[UK2K]

and this is why rockets are a failure of a franchise. :oldlol:

:biggums:

Where was OKC this season?

Come on now.

[Euroleague]

There might be better center than Capela, but would they have accepted to sign for only 1m$ and a limited role behind Dwight Howard? And would they accept to come to America?

For exemple, Rudy is better than Llull but he doesn't seem interested by the NBA anymore. Could the Rockets offer 8m$ to Rudy and have a better bargain than with Llull? Yes. Would Rudy accept this offer? No, hence why the money goes to a lesser player.

There are many centers in Europe better than Capela that would sign for less than he makes. Loads of them.

And Rudy would leap at that offer. $24 million for 3 years to start in NBA.

It's less money than he makes in Real Madrid, but the whole complaint he always had was he wanted to be a starter and the teams he was on would not let him be one.

If he got an offer with that kind of money and to be a starter I guarantee he would take it. He has never been one of the European players that was not interested in NBA or did not want play there.

He's not the same example as Jasikevicius, Papaloukas, Diamantidis, etc.

He is 100% ego driven, more than any player in Europe by like 100 times. So the fact that the media tells everyone the best players play in the NBA is what fuels the ego of someone like Rudy.

That's why he left the NBA, because he was pissed off that the media kept saying he could not start. Nothing to do with the money.

If he was so worried about money, he would be playing in a club like CSKA or Fenerbahce anyway.

I understand your point and it is valid, but Rudy is a poor example of that.

But the point stands, Morey is a complete DUMB ASS. He is greatly over paying for players from Europe for absolutely no reason at all.

If he gives Llull that contract every agent in Europe will take him to the shed.

[Euroleague]

I'm not very familiar with Euroleague drug testing, but that number seems quite high. Even in cycling and tennis they don't get tested that often and blood testing is quite expensive. In the Tour de France, the best riders may have only 3-4 blood tests and a dozen urine tests.

And for the second part, it has been proven many times that drug tests can easily be beaten. Just a reminder, Lance Armstong, Barry Bonds, Ian Ullrich, Ivan Basso, Marion Jones, etc. have never tested positive.

Euroleague/Eurocup would test 13 times.

FIBA is totally separate from that. That's just national team play. That's 3-4 times usually. So if you play for your national team. It's not Euroleague doing the testing, but FIBA.

The national domestic leagues are supposed to test about 18 times. That's another separate league. That's not the Euroleague testing.

Think of it this way, most of the players in Europe don't play in Euroleague or Eurocup, they only play in a national league. Only the players in the good clubs play in both. So the national leagues still have to do their own testing.

And the season in Europe is much longer than an NBA season. It goes from October to June for just about anyone that is playing Euroleague/Eurocup.

Example, an American player with no national team play, just playing in a national league, that's 18 tests for an 9 month time period.

The difference is from playing in additional leagues like Euroleague/Eurocup, and then FIBA is added on, from playing in your national team. It's just that some guys play both leagues every year and always play in their national team.

So most guys would get like 18 tests for a 9 month time period, but yeah, guys playing in bigger competitions would get 31, plus a few more if they played in a national team in the summer.

Of course compared to the NBA that would seem excessive, because the NBA testing is an absolute joke. One is designed to try to discourage doping (European testing) and the other is designed to try to enable it (NBA testing).

[Euroleague]

Papa was a non-guaranteed contract. Llull is a much better player

Llull isn't all that good. You Rockets fans are such unbelievable clowns. Put down the sauce.

Is he better than Papanikolaou? Yeah, he is. I mean, he's a bit better. That's it.

Truth is, if you put some screens on Llull and get the slightest physical with him, he's just about the single biggest pu$$y that plays in Euroleague.

He is a huge chucker, he's incredibly stupid, and his shot selection is horrid.

He's definitely a lot better than Beverley on offense. I will give you that. A LOT better. But put that into perspective. Beverley is a scrub that has zero point guard skills and was a third string point guard in Euroleague.

Llull is a little bit barely maybe just a tad bit maybe better than Papanikolaou is. Papanikolaou is not worth $5 million, Llull is not worth $8 million.

You could sign much better players than either of them from Europe, for the amounts of money they were signed for. Morey looks like an outright fool to every team and agent in Europe.

[SwishSquared]

Llull isn't all that good. You Rockets fans are such unbelievable clowns. Put down the sauce.

Is he better than Papanikolaou? Yeah, he is. I mean, he's a bit better. That's it.

Truth is, if you put some screens on Llull and get the slightest physical with him, he's just about the single biggest pu$$y that plays in Euroleague.

He is a huge chucker, he's incredibly stupid, and his shot selection is horrid.

He's definitely a lot better than Beverley on offense. I will give you that. A LOT better. But put that into perspective. Beverley is a scrub that has zero point guard skills and was a third string point guard in Euroleague.

Llull is a little bit barely maybe just a tad bit maybe better than Papanikolaou is. Papanikolaou is not worth $5 million, Llull is not worth $8 million.

You could sign much better players than either of them from Europe, for the amounts of money they were signed for. Morey looks like an outright fool to every team and agent in Europe.I don't how much of this offer will be guaranteed, but one useful thing about a contract like this (assuming it's not fully guaranteed) is that you can use it in trades to match salaries. I felt like for at least half the year I heard Rox fans use Papanikolaou's NG deal as a trade filler. If Llull isn't useful, perhaps he can be used in this way. It can burn bridges with agents, but sometimes you need the right pieces to make a bigger trade.

Anyway, he's probably a better turn-key option to help lead a 2nd unit than what they'd get in the draft. I'm assuming they re-sign Beverly, too, but this deal helps create some leverage in those negotiations.

[Euroleague]

I don't how much of this offer will be guaranteed, but one useful thing about a contract like this (assuming it's not fully guaranteed) is that you can use it in trades to match salaries. I felt like for at least half the year I heard Rox fans use Papanikolaou's NG deal as a trade filler. If Llull isn't useful, perhaps he can be used in this way. It can burn bridges with agents, but sometimes you need the right pieces to make a bigger trade.

Anyway, he's probably a better turn-key option to help lead a 2nd unit than what they'd get in the draft. I'm assuming they re-sign Beverly, too, but this deal helps create some leverage in those negotiations.

Putting aside the economic issue. I see no reason the Rockets should keep Beverley. Beverley sucks. If you want a defensive thug enforcer to rough someone up that is fine and everything, but to have him as one of your main point guards won't work without another point guard that is skilled as a point guard.

Bringing in Llull would only make that worse if you keep someone like Beverley. because then you have two players locked to contracts that are not good enough play makers and probably no one else will want.

You have to pick one of them and then add another point guard. You pick a defensive minded thug in Beverley, or you pick Llull that is like an energy boost and scoring boost with a help unit. Not thinking on the economic issue, Llull is the better player.

You don't want those two as your point guard combo for 48 minutes. If you go that way, then you don't have a shot at winning in the playoffs. If Morey can't even figure that out, then he's a completely hopeless GM.

You can't play 48 minutes without anyone on the team having basic point guard skills.

[Optimus Prime]

You can go right to euroleague.net and right at the Euroleague final game it has quotes from Sergio Llull himself saying that Spanoulis is the best player in Europe.

So I would steer clear of your usual trolling methodology in Llull related threads.

I have no idea who this Sergio Llull is and have never posted in a thread related to him. I imagine he's just another Eurobum. More than likely better than Mr. 2.7 PPG 0.9 APG though. :confusedshrug: