Is High Fructose Corn Syrup possibly the worst food/ingredient to consume?

[Tarik One]

MSG, saturated and unsaturated fats, processed foods, pork, beef, etc. Nothing concerns me more than HFCS. Is there anything worse?

[KyrieTheFuture]

It's poison. I try not to eat anything that I know has it.

[L.Kizzle]

Ain't nothin worse.

[hateraid]

Based on food grade products? Not the worst. You'd have to consume high amounts for this to be considered deadly.
Aspartame is by far the worst. Brain damage, nerve damage, is a lot scarier than risk of obesity related diseases.

[rufuspaul]

It's really no worse than semen.

[DukeDelonte13]

Based on food grade products? Not the worst. You'd have to consume high amounts for this to be considered deadly.
Aspartame is by far the worst. Brain damage, nerve damage, is a lot scarier than risk of obesity related diseases.

false.

aspartame is probably one of the most studied and analyzed food additives ever, not only by the U.S., but by many other countries as well. It's safe.

As for corn syrup, is chemically the same freaking thing as cane sugar. glucose and fructose.

There isn't any hard evidence that either of those additives are harmful at normal levels. Now if you drink sh*t tons of diet pop and eat way more sugar than you should, it will obviously make you unhealthy. That's not the fault of the additives per se, but more your fat ass eating more than you should.

[Dresta]

Based on food grade products? Not the worst. You'd have to consume high amounts for this to be considered deadly.
Aspartame is by far the worst. Brain damage, nerve damage, is a lot scarier than risk of obesity related diseases.
:roll:

Dat aspartame hysteria. No matter how many times the potential risk of taking it is shown to be round about null, people will always blast off about it being the seed of the devil and what not.

A review of literally hundreds of studies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17828671&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Acute, subacute and chronic toxicity studies with aspartame, and its decomposition products, conducted in mice, rats, hamsters and dogs have consistently found no adverse effect of aspartame with doses up to at least 4000 mg/kg bw/day. Critical review of all carcinogenicity studies conducted on aspartame found no credible evidence that aspartame is carcinogenic. The data from the extensive investigations into the possibility of neurotoxic effects of aspartame, in general, do not support the hypothesis that aspartame in the human diet will affect nervous system function, learning or behavior. Epidemiological studies on aspartame include several case-control studies and one well-conducted prospective epidemiological study with a large cohort, in which the consumption of aspartame was measured. The studies provide no evidence to support an association between aspartame and cancer in any tissue. The weight of existing evidence is that aspartame is safe at current levels of consumption as a nonnutritive sweetener.

Dat evil evil sweetener :lol

[KiiiiNG]

:roll:

Dat aspartame hysteria. No matter how many times the potential risk of taking it is shown to be round about null, people will always blast off about it being the seed of the devil and what not.

A review of literally hundreds of studies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17828671&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum



Dat evil evil sweetener :lol
hateraid is a licensed professional though?

[outbreak]

false.

aspartame is probably one of the most studied and analyzed food additives ever, not only by the U.S., but by many other countries as well. It's safe.

As for corn syrup, is chemically the same freaking thing as cane sugar. glucose and fructose.

There isn't any hard evidence that either of those additives are harmful at normal levels. Now if you drink sh*t tons of diet pop and eat way more sugar than you should, it will obviously make you unhealthy. That's not the fault of the additives per se, but more your fat ass eating more than you should.

Wasn't the whole aspartme thing based on one bad science article that got debunked?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Aspartame does it make it harder to lose weight, but its not cancerous

[DeuceWallaces]

Just because something isn't unequivocally proven to be carcinogenic and cause neural damage does not mean it's not terrible for you.

[Timmy D for MVP]

No HFCS is processed the same way as cane sugar by your body.

The problem with HFCS is it's cheaper and easier to make, and thus the foods you shouldn't be eating so much of are now cheaper to buy.

[rufuspaul]

Just because something isn't unequivocally proven to be carcinogenic and cause neural damage does not mean it's not terrible for you.


It's kinda common sense really. When I drink a Diet Coke I know I'm ingesting a can of chemicals. Potential dangers might be overblown but I know I'm not doing my body any good.

[rufuspaul]

No HFCS is processed the same way as cane sugar by your body.

The problem with HFCS is it's cheaper and easier to make, and thus the foods you shouldn't be eating so much of are now cheaper to buy.


Plus it's virtually in every processed food you buy.

[TryToBeUnbias]

I try to avoid it.

[Tarik One]

Just because something isn't unequivocally proven to be carcinogenic and cause neural damage does not mean it's not terrible for you.
Like how many junk foods companies label their products as "No-trans fats". It's still loaded with saturated fats which are just as, if not more than harmful. However, dumb fat people see that "No trans fat" label and their eyes bulge and believe it gives them a free pass to eat all the Doritos they can gouge.

[gigantes]

MSG, saturated and unsaturated fats, processed foods, pork, beef, etc. Nothing concerns me more than HFCS. Is there anything worse?
not trying to be a dick, but your thinking sounds pretty outdated.

for example, MSG in moderate doses has NOT been found to cause trouble other than to folks who are specifically allergic to it.

fats of all types (other than trans fats) are an important part of a regular diet, and at moderate consumption, are NOT thought to be a risk for cardiovascular events or weight gain.

i'd say that out of all the things you mentioned, processed foods are by far the most health-damaging... followed by sugars, simply because of how much the food industry sneaks them in to... again, processed and preserved foods.


if you're interested in your health, i'd highly recommend you take a free online course on nutrition. maybe MIT or something like that...

[Meticode]

Just a couple things I believe on the whole subject of High Fructose Corn Syrup after my research on it the last 5+ years.

To me, HFCS is the main reason for the obesity problem in the United States. It was introduced in the American food supply in the 1970s for the simple fact it was cheaper to produce because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. This is why the size of things, mostly soda drinks ballooned. You can make 20 ounce container of soda for a cheaper price through HFCS than a 8 ounce can with regular sugar.

Also as we all know HFCS is man made and not natural in anyway. it is not biochemically the same as cane sugar, therefore it isn't processed or metabolized the same way as cane sugar. Now, that's not to say cane sugar isn't bad for you, because it still is when taken in large quantities as we do. But HFCS has some other trade-offs with it.

HFCS does two major things to your body when you process it. Number one, your body immediately absorbs it into your blood stream. It goes directly to your liver and it triggers lipogenesis which is the condition called fatty liver that effects almost 100 million Americans each year. Then it spikes your insulin.

Number two, HFCS inhibits the hunger hormone called leptin. This hormone is released in your body when you start eating and absorbing full. It was what gives you the "full" feeling or satisfied feeling and your brain says, "Okay you've had enough." What HFCS does it makes you not feel hungry. Which is why people who drink soda and other high laced HFCS products feel hungry or binge eat so much after big meals.

There are truly a lot of bad things in the American food supply, but I feel we are sabotaging ourselves, mostly the government for letting such a negative-snow-balling chemical into our food supply. People's ignorance of HFCS that consume it everyday will come back and effect them later in life in a lot of cases.

We have access to over 600,000+ food products within the United States and 80%+ of those products have added sugar to them, and majority of that sugar is HFCS.

High intake of sugar, glucose, sucrose, HFCS and cane sugar are bad. But HFCS is one of the worse sweeteners we can intake because of how common it is in everything and accepted it is.

[Meticode]

I try to avoid it.
Good, keep trying.

[shlver]

To me, HFCS is the main reason for the obesity problem in the United States. It was introduced in the American food supply in the 1970s for the simple fact it was cheaper to produce because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. This is why the size of things, mostly soda drinks ballooned. You can make 20 ounce container of soda for a cheaper price through HFCS than a 8 ounce can with regular sugar.
Sedentary lifestyles and poor diet choices contribute moreso than HFCS.


Also as we all know HFCS is man made and not natural in anyway
it is not biochemically the same as cane sugar, therefore it isn't processed or metabolized the same way as cane sugar. Now, that's not to say cane sugar isn't bad for you, because it still is when taken in large quantities as we do. But HFCS has some other trade-offs with it.
HFCS is derived from corn starch and enzymes. I'm not sure what your criteria for natural is but the process is not much different from the derivation of cane sugar.



HFCS does two major things to your body when you process it. Number one, your body immediately absorbs it into your blood stream. It goes directly to your liver and it triggers lipogenesis which is the condition called fatty liver that effects almost 100 million Americans each year. Then it spikes your insulin.
The glucose in HFCS is metabolized through glycolysis and the fructose is processed by hepatocytes in the liver which bypass the glycoloysis rate limiting enzyme phosphofructokinase. Fructose does not trigger significant insulin release.


iNumber two, HFCS inhibits the hunger hormone called leptin. This hormone is released in your body when you start eating and absorbing full. It was what gives you the "full" feeling or satisfied feeling and your brain says, "Okay you've had enough." What HFCS does it makes you not feel hungry. Which is why people who drink soda and other high laced HFCS products feel hungry or binge eat so much after big meals.
HFCS does not directly inhibit leptin. Elevated levels of triacylglycerols due to lipogenesis does.

HFCS is fine to consume in moderation, just like any other macronutrient.

[Bandito]

It's really no worse than semen.
Is that why all the Lebron and Kobe stans are retarded?

[Meticode]

Sedentary lifestyles and poor diet choices contribute moreso than HFCS.


HFCS is derived from corn starch and enzymes. I'm not sure what your criteria for natural is but the process is not much different from the derivation of cane sugar.



The glucose in HFCS is metabolized through glycolysis and the fructose is processed by hepatocytes in the liver which bypass the glycoloysis rate limiting enzyme phosphofructokinase. Fructose does not trigger significant insulin release.


HFCS does not directly inhibit leptin. Elevated levels of triacylglycerols due to lipogenesis does.

HFCS is fine to consume in moderation, just like any other macronutrient.
Every single thing you posted is literally false. I'm not even going to debate you because of your ignorance on it.

[warriorfan]

Make sure you burn more calories than you intake on a daily basis and you should be good.

[Meticode]

Make sure you burn more calories than you intake on a daily basis and you should be good.
This statement is a falsehood. A good diet, a balanced with good nutrients effects your quality of internal health way more than exercise does.

[gigantes]

Every single thing you posted is literally false. I'm not even going to debate you because of your ignorance on it.


This statement is a falsehood. A good diet, a balanced with good nutrients effects your quality of internal health way more than exercise does.
i notice that sometimes you manage to post something worthwhile or factual, but most of the time you prefer to represent yourself as a blazing idiot who can quite literally, not figuratively, study an issue for years and yet know less about it than when you began.

why is that...?

[shlver]

Every single thing you posted is literally false. I'm not even going to debate you because of your ignorance on it.
Everything I posted is false? What about the elaboration that supports one of your points?

[Meticode]

i notice that sometimes you manage to post something worthwhile or factual, but most of the time you prefer to represent yourself as a blazing idiot who can quite literally, not figuratively, study an issue for years and yet know less about it than when you began.

why is that...?
I respect your opinion, I won't engage any further with you than this post. Have a great day though.

[Meticode]

Everything I posted is false? What about the elaboration that supports one of your points?
Listen carefully. I have my own understanding on the subject. I've done lots of reading on the obesity problem in America and I've formed my own theories about what's causing it. I'm not going to sit here and get in a pissing contest and start posting links to articles and debating that way. If you think I'm an idiot, and ignorant, or whatever negative remark you can think of, that's completely fine with me. Feel that way. But from what I've researched almost everything you stated I feel is false.

[warriorfan]

This statement is a falsehood. A good diet, a balanced with good nutrients effects your quality of internal health way more than exercise does.

What is "internal health"? Sounds like something that can't really be quantified.

[Norcaliblunt]

Just eat raw organ meats and you'll be good. There is absolutely no need to consume any of the shit mentioned here no mater what studies say. Scientists and doctors have been telling me for years that eating raw meat would kill me, but I've found it to be the best food there is for my personal health.

[Meticode]

What is "internal health"? Sounds like something that can't really be quantified.
Function of organs, metabolism, heart, and overall mind. Just because a person looks fit doesn't mean they're healthy and have a good quality of life.

[Meticode]

http://i.imgur.com/fIs0oya.jpg

[gigantes]

I respect your opinion, I won't engage any further with you than this post. Have a great day though.
sorry for the personal attack... i was a bit upset right there.

[Norcaliblunt]

Eats lots of raw meat and raw fat fellas. If you want something sweet to go with it eat raw unheated honey.

[Meticode]

Eats lots of raw meat and raw fat fellas. If you want something sweet to go with it eat raw unheated honey.
I want to say per tablespoon honey has more sugar in it than soda does. I'm not sure though...

Obviosuly it offers more than soda, but it's still bad in high quantities like most things.

[Norcaliblunt]

I want to say per tablespoon honey has more sugar in it than soda does. I'm not sure though...

Obviosuly it offers more than soda, but it's still bad in high quantities like most things.

Unless you are Winnie the Pooh you won't eat it in the amounts an average American drinks soda. Pus the enzymes in honey are great for multiple things. When you eat whole raw foods your body has a natural stopping ability.

[Meticode]

Unless you are Winnie the Pooh you won't eat it in the amounts an average American drinks soda. Pus the enzymes in honey are great for multiple things. When you eat whole raw foods your body has a natural stopping ability.
I put a teaspoon of raw honey in my green smoothies. Great natural sweetener.

[Norcaliblunt]

Health and diet is all about finding what works for you personally. Some people do fine eating these industrial foods. Some don't. Simple as that.

[Meticode]

Health and diet is all about finding what works for you personally.
In my life and observing I find this abundantly true. Just becaues it works for one person doesn't mean it'll work for another. People put too much stock into that as well. They see something on TV or advertise and they'll think it'll automatically work for them.

[masonanddixon]

Muscle milk is far worse.

[Dresta]

Just because something isn't unequivocally proven to be carcinogenic and cause neural damage does not mean it's not terrible for you.
Ok then, i'll just ignore the heaps and heaps of evidence showing aspartame to have no significant health risks, and take your opinion Doofus, plant expert that you are. Also, you've inverted the conclusions of the review, either through ignorance or disingenuousness: they concluded not such a vague thing as that it simply hadn't been 'unequivocally proven' (an impossible standard), but openly expressed the view that there is no evidence whatsoever linking aspartame to those things. There is far more evidence showing the harm of sugars than of aspartame (especially in things like carbonated drinks).

:rolleyes:

Such a tool. This man calls himself a scientist and yet he buys into the same kind of hysterias as my bat-shit mad Grandmother. Poor man must be suffering from some cognitive dissonance: here Doofus's faith in conventional scientific wisdom, and his strange belief that all corporations are out to get him, give him cancer, and injure his brain have come into conflict :roll:

What will Doofus do next?


http://i.imgur.com/fIs0oya.jpg
My correlation is better than yours:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zbX7pcC-glo/TzW7zTA7n4I/AAAAAAAAA24/fXpONiMaO8Y/s1600/Smoking+obesity.JPG

Americans are addicted to pleasure and immediate gratification, and nowadays barely move. It is the curse of our consumption-heavy age (which the government actively encourages). It's the same reason no one saves any more: people no longer have the patience to delay immediate gratification for better rewards in the future - i.e. they are becoming more and more child-like. HFCS could not exist and America would still be jam packed with obese SOBs.

[rufuspaul]

i notice that sometimes you manage to post something worthwhile or factual, but most of the time you prefer to represent yourself as a blazing idiot who can quite literally, not figuratively, study an issue for years and yet know less about it than when you began.

why is that...?


:oldlol:

[Hawker]

:oldlol:

Meticode spitting knowledge and life philosophies left and right these days.

Nobody has actually really been able to tell me what is so bad about HFCS. I could google it but I feel like people just say it's bad because everyone is saying it's bad. I've read it takes a hell of a lot of HFCS to mimick the taste of sugar which causes a higher # of calories in whatever it's being used in (usually some shit that we shouldn't be consuming a lot of anyway).

Coke with real sugar tastes better though...that's why American coke sucks.

Doesn't the use of it have something to do with government subsidies?

Off topic but a guy I used to work with started his own distillery in Colorado making rum using only colorado grown sugar beets. Pretty cool concept.

[Meticode]

http://i.imgur.com/fIs0oya.jpg

[KiiiiNG]

Just a couple things I believe on the whole subject of High Fructose Corn Syrup after my research on it the last 5+ years.

To me, HFCS is the main reason for the obesity problem in the United States. It was introduced in the American food supply in the 1970s for the simple fact it was cheaper to produce because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. This is why the size of things, mostly soda drinks ballooned. You can make 20 ounce container of soda for a cheaper price through HFCS than a 8 ounce can with regular sugar.

Also as we all know HFCS is man made and not natural in anyway. it is not biochemically the same as cane sugar, therefore it isn't processed or metabolized the same way as cane sugar. Now, that's not to say cane sugar isn't bad for you, because it still is when taken in large quantities as we do. But HFCS has some other trade-offs with it.

HFCS does two major things to your body when you process it. Number one, your body immediately absorbs it into your blood stream. It goes directly to your liver and it triggers lipogenesis which is the condition called fatty liver that effects almost 100 million Americans each year. Then it spikes your insulin.

Number two, HFCS inhibits the hunger hormone called leptin. This hormone is released in your body when you start eating and absorbing full. It was what gives you the "full" feeling or satisfied feeling and your brain says, "Okay you've had enough." What HFCS does it makes you not feel hungry. Which is why people who drink soda and other high laced HFCS products feel hungry or binge eat so much after big meals.

There are truly a lot of bad things in the American food supply, but I feel we are sabotaging ourselves, mostly the government for letting such a negative-snow-balling chemical into our food supply. People's ignorance of HFCS that consume it everyday will come back and effect them later in life in a lot of cases.

We have access to over 600,000+ food products within the United States and 80%+ of those products have added sugar to them, and majority of that sugar is HFCS.

High intake of sugar, glucose, sucrose, HFCS and cane sugar are bad. But HFCS is one of the worse sweeteners we can intake because of how common it is in everything and accepted it is.
*sigh*

blaming one single ingredient for the obesity epidemic is the stupidest thing ive ever read

[Meticode]

I've read it takes a hell of a lot of HFCS to mimick the taste of sugar which causes a higher # of calories in whatever it's being used in (usually some shit that we shouldn't be consuming a lot of anyway)
This is actually really interesting you say this considering how sugar tastes versus HFCS. Scientifically HFCS is sweeter tasting than sugar/cane sugar by a decent percentage. And the correlation of sugar vs salt in food has increased over the years. When HFCS was added to the same food supply in the US in a lot of cases they put the same ingredient amount as sugar, but they never adjusted the amount even though it was sweeter, so in a lot of foods they added more salt to counter-balance the more sweet effect.

[Meticode]

*sigh*

blaming one single ingredient for the obesity epidemic is the stupidest thing ive ever read
That's fine, I respect your opinion, but I don't only blame HFCS. However I do feel it takes up a large percentage of why the obesity epidemic is happening. It changes how our bodies work, it makes us crave more food as well. It's just a snow-balling effect that's hard to come back from.

[Meticode]

Here's a lecture and study done by Dr. Robert H. Lustig. He is the Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology at UCSF. He has a lot of interesting things to say about sugar and also delves into how HFCS is effecting us. He practices in the field of neuroendocrinology, with an emphasis on the regulation of energy balance by the central nervous system. He also has a special interest in childhood obesity.

If you have a little time, just watch his studies and arguments. If you don't have time or interest, then just discard it like you have been and being ignorant on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

[KiiiiNG]

That's fine, I respect your opinion, but I don't only blame HFCS. However I do feel it takes up a large percentage of why the obesity epidemic is happening. It changes how our bodies work, it makes us crave more food as well. It's just a snow-balling effect that's hard to come back from.
n*ggas be fat regardless bruh

if hfcs didnt exist, obesity would still be a big issue.

therefore, its impossible for hfcs to be a major factor in obesity

ETHER

[rufuspaul]

Off topic but a guy I used to work with started his own distillery in Colorado making rum using only colorado grown sugar beets. Pretty cool concept.


That's cool.

[Meticode]

n*ggas be fat regardless bruh

if hfcs didnt exist, obesity would still be a big issue.

therefore, its impossible for hfcs to be a major factor in obesity

ETHER
I feel if everything is the way it is now and you removed HFCS from the equation, obesity goes down in America including the world. If people simply stop drinking sugary drinks and replace all that sugar bullshit with water, I have no doubt they lose 5-10 pounds in a few months just from changing that small factor alone.

The real culprit is sugar alone, but most of the sugar intake in America is done through HFCS.

[ArbitraryWater]

These Aspartame images though

http://i.gyazo.com/45b453847ece22dc6c583050aa83a5a9.png

http://i.gyazo.com/ac2e8c273081ae26090ef6e9c15b7340.png

[Meticode]

That's cool.
Colorado is pretty cool in general. It really doesn't matter what you discuss from there. If it's Colorado, it's cool.

[Meticode]

These Aspartame images though

http://i.gyazo.com/45b453847ece22dc6c583050aa83a5a9.png

http://i.gyazo.com/ac2e8c273081ae26090ef6e9c15b7340.png
Pretty disturbing.

[KiiiiNG]

I feel if everything is the way it is now and you removed HFCS from the equation, obesity goes down in America including the world. If people simply stop drinking sugary drinks and replace all that sugar bullshit with water, I have no doubt they lose 5-10 pounds in a few months just from changing that small factor alone.

The real culprit is sugar alone, but most of the sugar intake in America is done through HFCS.
dude stop

its not the main culprit for obesity

admit it and move on

have some common sense

[Meticode]

dude stop

its not the main culprit for obesity

admit it and move on

have some common sense
Oh it's a main culprit. A huge culprit.

[rufuspaul]

Pretty disturbing.

What's disturbing is the quote from Russell L. Blaylock, MD


from snopes:


[Quote]
Russell Blaylock is a trained neurosurgeon who considers himself an expert on nutrition and toxins in food, cookware, teeth, and vaccines. Contrary to the vast bulk of the scientific evidence, Blaylock maintains that vaccines such as the H1N1 vaccine are dangerous or ineffective; that dental amalgams and fluoridated water are harmful to our health; and that aluminum cookware, aspartame, and MSG are toxic substances causing brain damage.1, 2, 3 Ironically, Blaylock perpetuates the myth that science-based medicine is not interested in prevention, despite the fact that immunization, which he opposes, prevents more disease and saves more lives than just about any other medical activity.

Blaylock has retired from neurosurgery and has taken up a career opposing science-based medicine and promoting pseudoscience-based medicine and supplements that he sells under the label Brain Repair Formula. He suggests that his supplements can treat and prevent such diseases as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. He asserts that his formula "will maximize your brain

[KiiiiNG]

Oh it's a main culprit. A huge culprit.
its not even 1% of the problem

the problem is US

they can easily replace hfcs with some other sugar substitute

you cant change a humans mind

eat eat eat eat eat **** eat eat eat

[Meticode]

What's disturbing is the quote from Russell L. Blaylock, MD

The definition of a quack.
There's just something not mentally there or connecting with him. Hell, the first sentence of the quote I was like, "What the hell?".

[Meticode]

its not even 1% of the problem

the problem is US

they can easily replace hfcs with some other sugar substitute

you cant change a humans mind

eat eat eat eat eat **** eat eat eat
Sugar overall is the problem. The reason we eat eat eat eat more than we ever have is because HFCS effects our body in producing leptin which is a hormone that gives us a "full" feeling when we eat. We drink a bunch of sugar, eat a bunch of bread that has HFCS and we feel hungry an hour later and we go to satisfy that feeling by eating more things laced with sugar and HFCS.

[KiiiiNG]

What's disturbing is the quote from Russell L. Blaylock, MD


from snopes:




The definition of a quack.
but hes right about mostly everything

they brainwashed you in medical school

they treat symptoms not the root

medical community is a joke

[rufuspaul]

but hes right about mostly everything

they brainwashed you in medical school

they treat symptoms not the root

medical community is a joke


He has some supplements he'd like to sell you. :rolleyes:

[KiiiiNG]

He has some supplements he'd like to sell you. :rolleyes:
they probably work

you got some pills or antibiotics you wanna push me?

or maybe some mercury filled amalgams ...

i guarantee if people take his advice they will live healthier and longer than if they trust their MD who doesn't know jack shit about healthy living, only wants to write a script to line his bank account

[Derka]

"Oh so you just wanna drink the white man's poison, huh? High-fructose corn syrup. Read about it. It'll kill ya."

- Huey Freeman

[Meticode]

Kind of off subject, but it's in correlation about treating the root cause of the problem and not the outcome.

I have a co-worker and friend I work with who's married. He's 18 years older than me at 48 and has been married for almost 4 years to his current wife. He's a practicing Catholic and goes to church probably twice a week. So does his wife.

Anyway him and his wife are going through martial issues and aren't ust getting along. No one is cheating or anything like that, but she's be exhibiting violence at times. Sometimes taking swings at him. He's never swung back or even hit her or pushed her away, he just blocks everything, but it stems from her being physically and sexually abused as a child/young adult. Also in her previous marriage she was married to an alcoholic that abused her.

Long story short they both went to the same counselor to try to rectify their marriage. they go separately. The wife had the first visit then my friend went and the counselor already had chosen a side to everything. His wife never told the counselor about the violent incident where she took swings at my friend, and my friend brought this up and the counselor already had it in his mind that it's wrong for a man to swing at a woman, but it's totally okay for the woman to unleash on the man. And in so many words my friend told the counselor this and walked out on the appointment.

"You know what your problem is? You have this belief in your head that it's okay for a woman to take a swing at a man just because of the size of the biceps. Just because a man is physically conditioned to overpower a woman doesn't make anything right or wrong. A person is taking a violent action towards another person. Don't you see a problem there before the action is ever taken? How come you only look at the outcome and don't get down to the ****ing root of the problem so it doesn't get to the point of someone taking a swing at someone else? It's not right for a man or a woman to hit each other you dumb ****."

[DeuceWallaces]

Meticode spitting knowledge and life philosophies left and right these days.

Nobody has actually really been able to tell me what is so bad about HFCS. I could google it but I feel like people just say it's bad because everyone is saying it's bad. I've read it takes a hell of a lot of HFCS to mimick the taste of sugar which causes a higher # of calories in whatever it's being used in (usually some shit that we shouldn't be consuming a lot of anyway).

Coke with real sugar tastes better though...that's why American coke sucks.

Doesn't the use of it have something to do with government subsidies?

Off topic but a guy I used to work with started his own distillery in Colorado making rum using only colorado grown sugar beets. Pretty cool concept.

Dude comes off like he was severely overweight, obsessed over it, did "research" , and found a scapegoat when in reality he was fat because he ate like shit and didn't exercise.

HFCS is not good, but newsflash, you could only eat HFCS and still lose weight in moderation and with exercise. Replacing HFCS with with sugar in all those products will do little to nothing to cure obesity, and most research shows it my slightly lower cases of diabetes.

[Meticode]

Dude comes off like he was severely overweight, obsessed over it, did "research" , and found a scapegoat when in reality he was fat because he ate like shit and didn't exercise.

HFCS is not good, but newsflash, you could only eat HFCS and still lose weight in moderation and with exercise. Replacing HFCS with with sugar in all those products will do little to nothing to cure obesity, and most research shows it my slightly lower cases of diabetes.

I gained weight back, about 30 pounds. Then I completely removed HFCS from my diet for 5 months and didn't increase my activity level at all, I lost 25 of those gained 30 pounds. Also I didn't feel as hungry even though I was eating less food. It has to do with personal experience as well.
http://i.imgur.com/fIs0oya.jpg

[Meticode]

like I said, it's a snow-ball effect. We decide to eat like shit, then HFCS chemically changes how our body responses to in-taking food and we want more, and more and more.

[KiiiiNG]

I gained weight back, about 30 pounds. Then I completely removed HFCS from my diet for 5 months and didn't increase my activity level at all, I lost 25 of those gained 30 pounds. Also I didn't feel as hungry even though I was eating less food. It has to do with personal experience as well.
http://i.imgur.com/fIs0oya.jpg
so you ate less calories and lost weight, congrats.

[Meticode]

so you ate less calories and lost weight, congrats.
I was able to eat less calories because I didn't feel as hungry. HCFS makes you feel more hungry and makes you want to eat all the time. That's the biggest obstacle to over come.

[KiiiiNG]

I was able to eat less calories because I didn't feel as hungry. HCFS makes you feel more hungry and makes you want to eat all the time. That's the biggest obstacle to over come.
regular sugar has the same effect though

stop acting like hfcs is the devil, its great you dont eat it anymore and had a placebo effect

but to say its the main cause of obesity is insane

[Tarik One]

I was able to eat less calories because I didn't feel as hungry. HCFS makes you feel more hungry and makes you want to eat all the time. That's the biggest obstacle to over come.
The equivalent to the "crash effect" of highly concentrated caffeine pills/"4-hour energy". A false feeling of being energetic, but when it wears off, you're even more exhausting than you were before you took them.

*I just gave away all of my cereal bars. I had no idea they were that loaded with HFCS.

[Meticode]

regular sugar has the same effect though

stop acting like hfcs is the devil, its great you dont eat it anymore and had a placebo effect

but to say its the main cause of obesity is insane
http://i.imgur.com/fIs0oya.jpg

[rufuspaul]

they probably work

you got some pills or antibiotics you wanna push me?

or maybe some mercury filled amalgams ...

i guarantee if people take his advice they will live healthier and longer than if they trust their MD who doesn't know jack shit about healthy living, only wants to write a script to line his bank account


:roll:


Yeah, science, who ****ing needs that?

[Draz]

Never put much thought into it.

[KiiiiNG]

:roll:


Yeah, science, who ****ing needs that?
using science to make drugs filled with unnatural chemicals to treat symptoms isn't the optimal way to make people healthy

but its not about making people healthy

its about making money

even a dumb guy like you can understand that

[Norcaliblunt]

There are very few things even worth eating that contain aspartame or HFCS It's all mainly low rate junk. So what's the point of eating it when the food is crap regardless of health.

[KyrieTheFuture]

*sigh*

blaming one single ingredient for the obesity epidemic is the stupidest thing ive ever read
Well, maybe if you actually read it, you'd realize he didn't do that.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Dude comes off like he was severely overweight, obsessed over it, did "research" , and found a scapegoat when in reality he was fat because he ate like shit and didn't exercise.

HFCS is not good, but newsflash, you could only eat HFCS and still lose weight in moderation and with exercise. Replacing HFCS with with sugar in all those products will do little to nothing to cure obesity, and most research shows it my slightly lower cases of diabetes.
You would die.

[Rocketswin2013]

Aspartame.

[DeuceWallaces]

You would die.

I'm being kept alive on corn syrup, vitamins, and water.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I'm being kept alive on corn syrup, vitamins, and water.
Goes a long way in explaining your mental state.

[KiiiiNG]

Well, maybe if you actually read it, you'd realize he didn't do that.
oh, here you are again to act like you know what you're talking about.

:rolleyes:

he said it was a main culprit, it's not. you don't know anything.

[joe]

I havent had any HFCS in years, hardly any foods with added sugar over those years, and also no bread/grains at all. I feel really good physically. I should eat more fish though. I get sick at the thought of eating HFCS. The studies about what it was doing to rats were especially gross. I forget now honestly, it was causing degradation to their mental capacity though. Not a fan.

[rufuspaul]

using science to make drugs filled with unnatural chemicals to treat symptoms isn't the optimal way to make people healthy

but its not about making people healthy

its about making money

even a dumb guy like you can understand that


:oldlol: Yeah and the quack selling worthless pills isn't out to make money.