View Full Version : KAT to Twolves a done deal
According to Zagoria
“It’s done, he’s going to Minnesota,” the source said. “[Minnesota President and coach] Flip Saunders was big on Jahlil Okafor for a minute there and after Karl came in [on Saturday], he decided to work out for them. He only worked out for them and it’s a wrap. It’s a wrap. They just told him they’re going to take him No. 1.”
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 05:21 PM
Gonna be an amazing all around player in a year or two. Can play center or power forward, can shoot out to the 3, can defend, can pass, can handle the ball. Virtually has no weaknesses. :rockon:
Locked_Up_Tonight
06-22-2015, 05:22 PM
Minnesota may be having a fire sale in the midst of the draft. With Pek, Rubio, etc.
Asiantastic
06-22-2015, 05:26 PM
Gonna be an amazing all around player in a year or two. Can play center or power forward, can shoot out to the 3, can defend, can pass, can handle the ball. Virtually has no weaknesses. :rockon:
He has some nasty handles for a center too, not to mention his pull up jumper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjSHa5Vgs8
Just from watching his draft workout, you can tell he'll be a beast. Of course you always have to consider potential Bynumesque attitude/health issues, but that's a discussion for another day
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 05:31 PM
He has some nasty handles for a center too, not to mention his pull up jumper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjSHa5Vgs8
Just from watching his draft workout, you can tell he'll be a beast. Of course you always have to consider potential Bynumesque attitude/health issues, but that's a discussion for another day
KAT is seriously the least likely person in the NBA to have attitude issues. I can't speak for injury issues but i'm fairly certain that he hasn't had any.
KiiiiNG
06-22-2015, 05:32 PM
Gonna be an amazing all around player in a year or two. Can play center or power forward, can shoot out to the 3, can defend, can pass, can handle the ball. Virtually has no weaknesses. :rockon:
since i want my center shooting 3's. :oldlol:
kid will be completely average at everything. lol @ clowns buying into the hype.
Asiantastic
06-22-2015, 05:37 PM
since i want my center shooting 3's. :oldlol:
kid will be completely average at everything. lol @ clowns buying into the hype.
A big body in the paint, offensively and defensively, with the ability to stretch the floor and hit the 3 consistently? I don't see how he'll just be "average".
KiiiiNG
06-22-2015, 05:39 PM
A big body in the paint, offensively and defensively, with the ability to stretch the floor and hit the 3 consistently? I don't see how he'll just be "average".
:facepalm
you haven't seen him in the nba yet and you're already talking about him hitting 3's consistently.
big body in the paint.... wow. changed my mind hes gonna be ELITE.
Pushxx
06-22-2015, 05:41 PM
For better or worse, Minnesota will and should pick Towns at #1.
:facepalm
you haven't seen him in the nba yet and you're already talking about him hitting 3's consistently.
big body in the paint.... wow. changed my mind hes gonna be ELITE.
Gatorade national player of the year his senior year (Not Okafor) and 2nd team all American as a freshman.
Bust written all over him :rolleyes:
Oh and he's 19? Yeah. Super bust (that's what she said).
KiiiiNG
06-22-2015, 05:46 PM
Gatorade national player of the year his senior year (Not Okafor) and 2nd team all American as a freshman.
Bust written all over him :rolleyes:
ok, are we talking about college or nba?
for the record, i wasn't that impressed with him in college either. didn't seem like someone who could score consistently nor was he some monster defender.
he'll be an average nba player.
outbreak
06-22-2015, 05:47 PM
Gonna be an amazing all around player in a year or two. Can play center or power forward, can shoot out to the 3, can defend, can pass, can handle the ball. Virtually has no weaknesses. :rockon:
Will he be able to hit the nba 3 consistently? I remember hearing talk early in the college season about him becoming a stretch 4 but then saw articles about how he didn't live up to that and won't be an NBA 3 point shooter, didn't he shoot under 30% from the college 3? Gonna be a good player no doubt but I don't think he'll be used as a stretch 4 but his mid range shot should be useful.
JohnMax
06-22-2015, 05:49 PM
http://streamable.com/rf3i
Mass Debator
06-22-2015, 05:49 PM
His handling is highly impressive. Thought I was watching Durant out there.
KiiiiNG
06-22-2015, 05:50 PM
Will he be able to hit the nba 3 consistently? I remember hearing talk early in the college season about him becoming a stretch 4 but then saw articles about how he didn't live up to that and won't be an NBA 3 point shooter, didn't he shoot under 30% from the college 3? Gonna be a good player no doubt but I don't think he'll be used as a stretch 4 but his mid range shot should be useful.
of course he won't be hitting 3s consistently. thats just stupid hype you hear every single year when theres video of a big guy knocking down wide open jumpers.
the kid will NOT be an outside threat, at all. and why on earth would you want your C out 20 feet anyway. :facepalm
ok, are we talking about college or nba?
for the record, i wasn't that impressed with him in college either. didn't seem like someone who could score consistently nor was he some monster defender.
he'll be an average nba player.
Per 40:
KAT
19.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 2.1 apg, 4.3 bpg, .9 spg, 57/25/81
JO
23.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.9 bpg, 1.0 spg, 66/51
Im curious to know who you DO think is good. Not only did Towns shoot 57% from the floor, he shot 81% from the line, and had averaged twice as many blocks as Okafor.
If he's not a monster defender, then Okafor is a wet paper bag, and he will get shredded in the NBA.
outbreak
06-22-2015, 05:54 PM
of course he won't be hitting 3s consistently. thats just stupid hype you hear every single year when theres video of a big guy knocking down wide open jumpers.
the kid will NOT be an outside threat, at all. and why on earth would you want your C out 20 feet anyway. :facepalm
Well the talk was that he could be used as a stretch 4 not a centre. But yeah going by his college stats I don't see how anyone could think that any more. Most of the articles I saw about that were before the college season when people thought he'd be a good shooting offence guy which he didn't turn in to. I think he's going to be good and I wish we could haven gotten the first pick to put him in Orlando but the shooting hype seems way over blown.
Well the talk was that he could be used as a stretch 4 not a centre. But yeah going by his college stats I don't see how anyone could think that any more. Most of the articles I saw about that were before the college season when people thought he'd be a good shooting offence guy which he didn't turn in to. I think he's going to be good and I wish we could haven gotten the first pick to put him in Orlando but the shooting hype seems way over blown.
Watch any of his high school mix tapes...
He would pull up from the volley ball line on the reg. He didnt shoot at UK because he wasn't supposed to. Same reason Trey Lyles didn't shoot the 3 ball, but I have no doubt in the NBA he will become a consistent outside threat.
He shot 8 3-pointers all season long. I wouldn't look at his 3pt % too hard.
Cocaine80s
06-22-2015, 06:01 PM
Bigger Kevin Love with less skill. Needs to practice his threes so he doesn't get in the way of Lavine
I would still take Okafor over him.
KiiiiNG
06-22-2015, 06:02 PM
Per 40:
KAT
19.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 2.1 apg, 4.3 bpg, .9 spg, 57/25/81
JO
23.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.9 bpg, 1.0 spg, 66/51
Im curious to know who you DO think is good. Not only did Towns shoot 57% from the floor, he shot 81% from the line, and had averaged twice as many blocks as Okafor.
If he's not a monster defender, then Okafor is a wet paper bag, and he will get shredded in the NBA.
great competition in the sec...
lets see what happens in the nba, you biased kentucky fan.
theres really nothing that sticks out about him. not a great athlete, not a great scorer, not a great defender. :confusedshrug:
he'll just be average. his ceiling is al horford.
kurple
06-22-2015, 06:08 PM
Gonna be an amazing all around player in a year or two. Can play center or power forward, can shoot out to the 3, can defend, can pass, can handle the ball. Virtually has no weaknesses. :rockon:
the problem with you is that you would have said this about anyone as long as they were drafted by the wolves
you dont watch basketball, you watch the timberwolves
kurple
06-22-2015, 06:08 PM
Per 40:
KAT
19.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 2.1 apg, 4.3 bpg, .9 spg, 57/25/81
JO
23.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.9 bpg, 1.0 spg, 66/51
Im curious to know who you DO think is good. Not only did Towns shoot 57% from the floor, he shot 81% from the line, and had averaged twice as many blocks as Okafor.
If he's not a monster defender, then Okafor is a wet paper bag, and he will get shredded in the NBA.
per40 lol....
TheReal Kendall
06-22-2015, 06:10 PM
Everybody looks good shooting in these workout vids.
Not saying he's not good but I need to see him play in the game against people his size.
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 06:12 PM
ok, are we talking about college or nba?
for the record, i wasn't that impressed with him in college either. didn't seem like someone who could score consistently nor was he some monster defender.
he'll be an average nba player.
He had the best DRTG on Kentcuky, yes even better than Stein!
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 06:14 PM
the problem with you is that you would have said this about anyone as long as they were drafted by the wolves
you dont watch basketball, you watch the timberwolves
:oldlol: I watched a ton of Towns and Okafor this year.
per40 lol....
I could say KAT did what he did in 9 less mpg? Does that help?
Okafor played 30% more minutes. To simply put out their stats without taking into account the disparity in minutes seems dumb doesn't it?
NustABut
06-22-2015, 06:16 PM
http://streamable.com/rf3i
:applause: :applause: :applause: :roll: :roll: :roll:
outbreak
06-22-2015, 06:21 PM
I could say KAT did what he did in 9 less mpg? Does that help?
Okafor played 30% more minutes. To simply put out their stats without taking into account the disparity in minutes seems dumb doesn't it?
I agree with most of what you say but you seem so biased. By your own logic I could say watch any of Okafor's high school mix tapes and he was used better and put up better stats!
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 06:32 PM
great competition in the sec...
lets see what happens in the nba, you biased kentucky fan.
theres really nothing that sticks out about him. not a great athlete, not a great scorer, not a great defender. :confusedshrug:
he'll just be average. his ceiling is al horford.
You have literally no clue how to evaluate and project talent. If all of what you say is true about Towns than Okafor is going to be a scrub bench player.:lol
Towns isn't a great athlete like you said, but he isn't a bad one at all. He is above average.
Regarding your second "point" and in general the fact that you think he can't shoot:facepalm . Calipari had him exclusively in the paint because he was their only player who could play in the paint. And it's extremely logical to predict that Towns is going to be a very good shooter in the NBA. He has a great stroke for any position, let alone a big. He has a very high % free throw rate (one of the biggest indicators that he can shoot) and he was a prolific shooter in high school. And in the DX workout vid he hit 71 out of 100 threes. To say he can't shoot is downright moronic.
Again, Towns had the best DRTG on the best defensive team in the country.:oldlol:
No one ever said he would be a center. He has the ability to be both a center and a power forward. And if you think IT IS BAD that a big has a 3 point shot, then you just need to be laughed at.
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 06:43 PM
You have literally no clue how to evaluate and project talent. If all of what you say is true about Towns than Okafor is going to be a scrub bench player.:lol
Towns isn't a great athlete like you said, but he isn't a bad one at all. He is above average.
Regarding your second "point" and in general the fact that you think he can't shoot:facepalm . Calipari had him exclusively in the paint because he was their only player who could play in the paint. And it's extremely logical to predict that Towns is going to be a very good shooter in the NBA. He has a great stroke for any position, let alone a big. He has a very high % free throw rate (one of the biggest indicators that he can shoot) and he was a prolific shooter in high school. And in the DX workout vid he hit 71 out of 100 threes. To say he can't shoot is downright moronic.
Again, Towns had the best DRTG on the best defensive team in the country.:oldlol:
No one ever said he would be a center. He has the ability to be both a center and a power forward. And if you think IT IS BAD that a big has a 3 point shot, then you just need to be laughed at.
In fact, Towns had the best ORTG and DRTG on Kentcuky.
"Not a great defender":roll:
I agree with most of what you say but you seem so biased. By your own logic I could say watch any of Okafor's high school mix tapes and he was used better and put up better stats!
I think they'll both be stars. I'd be happy with either one.
I think Towns is the overall package, but I also think Okafor has the potential to be a top 5 scorer from the low block.
Not knocking either player. I'm knocking the guy who thinks Towns is average when everything you can see would tell you otherwise.
You have literally no clue how to evaluate and project talent. If all of what you say is true about Towns than Okafor is going to be a scrub bench player.:lol
Towns isn't a great athlete like you said, but he isn't a bad one at all. He is above average.
Regarding your second "point" and in general the fact that you think he can't shoot:facepalm . Calipari had him exclusively in the paint because he was their only player who could play in the paint. And it's extremely logical to predict that Towns is going to be a very good shooter in the NBA. He has a great stroke for any position, let alone a big. He has a very high % free throw rate (one of the biggest indicators that he can shoot) and he was a prolific shooter in high school. And in the DX workout vid he hit 71 out of 100 threes. To say he can't shoot is downright moronic.
Again, Towns had the best DRTG on the best defensive team in the country.:oldlol:
No one ever said he would be a center. He has the ability to be both a center and a power forward. And if you think IT IS BAD that a big has a 3 point shot, then you just need to be laughed at.
Davis couldn't hit a jumpshot to save his life when he stepped foot on UKs campus.
He's a very good shooter now, two years later. I think Okafor can develop a respectable mid range game, but there's no reason Towns couldn't be a 3pt shooter.
I would just prefer Okafor stay on the block. He's already polished down low. I guess you can always add another dimension to your game, but at the same time, he's pretty reliable on the block.
Cocaine80s
06-22-2015, 06:51 PM
Davis couldn't hit a jumpshot to save his life when he stepped foot on UKs campus.
He's a very good shooter now, two years later. I think Okafor can develop a respectable mid range game, but there's no reason Towns couldn't be a 3pt shooter.
I would just prefer Okafor stay on the block. He's already polished down low. I guess you can always add another dimension to your game, but at the same time, he's pretty reliable on the block.
:facepalm
I remember seeing videos of Davis in high school shooting and knocking down tons of jumpers. Shit I seen him pull up from 3 a few times as well
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 06:51 PM
Davis couldn't hit a jumpshot to save his life when he stepped foot on UKs campus.
He's a very good shooter now, two years later. I think Okafor can develop a respectable mid range game, but there's no reason Towns couldn't be a 3pt shooter.
I would just prefer Okafor stay on the block. He's already polished down low. I guess you can always add another dimension to your game, but at the same time, he's pretty reliable on the block.
Okafor should definitely stay on the block. He is going to be a nightmare down there. I just don't believe he can ever develop a jumpshot. His form on his jumpshot is horrendous
Meticode
06-22-2015, 06:58 PM
Next move they need to do is what to do with Pek. I don't think Rubio is the answer at PG unless he massive improves his shooting percentage.
FireDavidKahn
06-22-2015, 07:03 PM
Next move they need to do is what to do with Pek. I don't think Rubio is the answer at PG unless he massive improves his shooting percentage.
Pek is unmovable and Ricky is never going to improve his shot. Flip's next move is almost surely going to try and find a backup PG. Our pick is top 12 protected next year so we should get it and then draft a PG.
:facepalm
I remember seeing videos of Davis in high school shooting and knocking down tons of jumpers. Shit I seen him pull up from 3 a few times as well
Who was 3-20 from the 3pt line in his career at UK.
Towns was 2-8.
Look at Davis shoot now. That's my point.
Cocaine80s
06-22-2015, 07:35 PM
Who was 3-20 from the 3pt line in his career at UK.
Towns was 2-8.
Look at Davis shoot now. That's my point.
No, that was not your point. You said Davis couldn't hit a jumper to save his life before going to UK which is false
No, that was not your point. You said Davis couldn't hit a jumper to save his life before going to UK which is false
Ok he could hit 3 out of 20 jumpers.
Feel better?
Cocaine80s
06-22-2015, 07:38 PM
Ok he could hit 3 out of 20 jumpers.
Feel better?
:facepalm
Levity
06-22-2015, 07:52 PM
. and why on earth would you want your C out 20 feet anyway. :facepalm
it obviously wouldnt me for a majority of the game, but if you have a C that can stretch the floor and you pair him with another big that can hit a 15 footer (dieng) then defenses would have to play the two of them honest, allowing your pg and sg to get to the rim at will, with no rim protectors in their way. similar to how atl played indy last post season.
@DraftExpress says @KarlTowns had best pre-draft workout he's ever seen since @Yg_Trece: https://soundcloud.com/bleacherreportradio/jonathan-givony-says-karl-anthony-towns-the-best-pre-draft-workout-hes-seen-in-some-time
ralph_i_el
06-22-2015, 09:05 PM
:facepalm
you haven't seen him in the nba yet and you're already talking about him hitting 3's consistently.
big body in the paint.... wow. changed my mind hes gonna be ELITE.
:rolleyes:
Towns looks like pre-injury Bogut or a less-cerebral Chris Webber
COnDEMnED
06-22-2015, 09:11 PM
I'm happy that you're happy. I wanted Okafor for the Lakers all along. You guys got the player you wanted. Both parties walk away happy.
Congrats Twolves fans :cheers:
Harison
06-22-2015, 09:14 PM
Flip got me worried for a while, Towns is better fit for Minny and (IMO) will be more impactful player than Okafor anyway.
SwishSquared
06-22-2015, 10:01 PM
Pek is unmovable and Ricky is never going to improve his shot. Flip's next move is almost surely going to try and find a backup PG. Our pick is top 12 protected next year so we should get it and then draft a PG.Somehow, someway I think you could package something like Rubio, Martin, and Pek to the Knicks for #4. I'd most likely never do that trade from Knicks' perspective, but Phil would probably do it :oldlol:
nzahir
06-22-2015, 10:36 PM
http://streamable.com/rf3i
LMFAOO :lol
WeGetRing2012
06-22-2015, 11:01 PM
I do think KAT will be average. He is average at everything and he didn't really excel at anything in college and I don't see that changing in the NBA. Also, his body type scares me because he has these large feet with skinny legs and a bulky not fit frame.
However, that does not mean he is not the best pick for Minny. I don't think Wiggins and Okafor's game would work together. Okafor needs the ball in the post and Wiggins needs the ball on the perimeter. Okafor is not a player who will come out to sat screens often. I do think Dangelo and Wiggins would be nice but not as good as KAT & Wiggins. KAT will open the game up so much for Wiggins because he can sit screens, take some defensive pressure off Wiggins and Garnett is there to help him mold his game. So I think this will be a "fit" pick and not a "best player available" pick which is ok because they have the #1 pick from last year in Wiggins who has a ton of potential.
FireMcFailPlease
06-23-2015, 12:04 AM
I do think KAT will be average. He is average at everything and he didn't really excel at anything in college and I don't see that changing in the NBA. Also, his body type scares me because he has these large feet with skinny legs and a bulky not fit frame.
However, that does not mean he is not the best pick for Minny. I don't think Wiggins and Okafor's game would work together. Okafor needs the ball in the post and Wiggins needs the ball on the perimeter. Okafor is not a player who will come out to sat screens often. I do think Dangelo and Wiggins would be nice but not as good as KAT & Wiggins. KAT will open the game up so much for Wiggins because he can sit screens, take some defensive pressure off Wiggins and Garnett is there to help him mold his game. So I think this will be a "fit" pick and not a "best player available" pick which is ok because they have the #1 pick from last year in Wiggins who has a ton of potential.
Average? :roll:
How is KAT supposed to excel in college when they played a damned platoon system for half of the year? Theres probably 7 draft picks on that team.
His per 40 numbers as a freakin freshman are awesome on both ends. Hes what, 19?
Fallen Angel
06-23-2015, 12:23 AM
Somehow, someway I think you could package something like Rubio, Martin, and Pek to the Knicks for #4. I'd most likely never do that trade from Knicks' perspective, but Phil would probably do it :oldlol:
No he wouldn't. None of them fit the shitty triangle he's trying to run.
Fallen Angel
06-23-2015, 12:24 AM
http://streamable.com/rf3i
That's amazing :applause:
Sportal
06-23-2015, 12:39 AM
Kentucky had a platoon rotation of how many players? What was the most shots he took in a game? 13? I've had this argument before... Trying to remember. And he scored like 20/12..
SwishSquared
06-23-2015, 12:44 AM
No he wouldn't. None of them fit the shitty triangle he's trying to run.:oldlol: more of a dig at Phil's roster construction moves thus far than being a real trade proposal. I still think somebody can snag this pick at a decent price imo.
Fallen Angel
06-23-2015, 12:45 AM
Kentucky had a platoon rotation of how many players? What was the most shots he took in a game? 13? I've had this argument before... Trying to remember. And he scored like 20/12..
If you wanna talk about a player taking limited shots all season look at Andrew Wiggins and Joel Embiid.
People looked at Wiggins like he was supposed to dominate college, but looked VERY pedestrian all year but the one game he scored like 40. Embiid had didn't have unlimited touches either, yet got pegged as the next Hakeem Olajuwon and was deemed the consensus number one overall pick if healthy.
PickernRoller
06-23-2015, 01:25 AM
His handling is highly impressive. Thought I was watching Durant out there.
Down low that gets neutralized... strip a dip galore. Bigs should be measured by their post game. These days they're measured by their ability to shoot 3's and dribble...
Will take Okafor - proven scorer..... just need him to be the high energy type.
Kentucky had a platoon rotation of how many players? What was the most shots he took in a game? 13? I've had this argument before... Trying to remember. And he scored like 20/12..
Anthony Davis took the 4th most shots on his UK team.
There are those who box score watch, and there are those who watch watch.
Kingwillball
06-23-2015, 09:33 AM
Lol at people knocking towns not only is he a great talent he is a better person and the smartest kid in this draft hands down. Sporting a almost 4.0 GPA. With him just concentrating on basketball and not all the other stuff he does well like play piano, with his hard work he will be one of the best bigs in NBA in no time.
Lol at people knocking towns not only is he a great talent he is a better person and the smartest kid in this draft hands down. Sporting a almost 4.0 GPA. With him just concentrating on basketball and not all the other stuff he does well like play piano, with his hard work he will be one of the best bigs in NBA in no time.
He is enrolled in online courses now and plans to finish his degree and someday become a doctor.
He's the real deal, and 100% genuine type of guy.
GimmeThat
06-23-2015, 10:09 AM
#1 pick for Demarcus Cousins
or
#1 pick for Marc Gasol + Courtney Lee + 1st rounder (consider this year's 2nd round and or future pick 2 years removed from now as a possibility)
#1 pick for Marc Gasol + Jeff Green if salary could work by maybe throwing in someone like Shabazz Muhammad
It puts LA in tough spot. I wonder who they will take?
IMO, you have to take Okafor, but pairing Okafor and Randle is not an option. Neither play defense.
LA's only real move now is to try and get Cousins.
Kingwillball
06-23-2015, 10:57 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/19/8810453/karl-anthony-towns-no-1-pick-nba-draft-2015
Towns is the real deal..
FireDavidKahn
06-23-2015, 06:36 PM
Down low that gets neutralized... strip a dip galore. Bigs should be measured by their post game. These days they're measured by their ability to shoot 3's and dribble...
Will take Okafor - proven scorer..... just need him to be the high energy type.
You're pigeon holing that certain positions need to do X, which is incredibly dumb. More versatility = more options = better offense.
FireDavidKahn
06-23-2015, 06:38 PM
#1 pick for Demarcus Cousins
or
#1 pick for Marc Gasol + Courtney Lee + 1st rounder (consider this year's 2nd round and or future pick 2 years removed from now as a possibility)
#1 pick for Marc Gasol + Jeff Green if salary could work by maybe throwing in someone like Shabazz Muhammad
Nope. Those players are great but I'd rather have the young talent who has just as much of a chance, if not better, to be those players to pair along side Wiggins. Who knows what the new CBA will bring in terms of maximum numbers of years possible off of a rookie contract, but with the current one we will have a minimum of 6 years of Wiggins/Towns. I'll take that.
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