MJ's rookie season vs Kobe's MVP season

[riseagainst]

MJ rookie season: 28.2 PPG, 6.5 RPG, 5.9 APG, 51.5%FG, 59.2%TS
Kobe 08 season: 28.3 PPG, 6.3 RPG. 5.4 APG, 45.9%FG, 57.6%TS

:biggums:

da GOAT MJ. Rookie MJ as good as PRIME Kobe.

:lol
:bowdown:

[ClipperRevival]

It puts things into perspective.

[Dr Hawk]

As good? Give me MJ 100 tmies out of 50

[YouGotServed]

MJ rookie season: 28.2 PPG, 6.5 RPG, 5.9 APG, 51.5%FG, 59.2%TS
Kobe 08 season: 28.3 PPG, 6.3 RPG. 5.4 APG, 45.9%FG, 57.6%TS

:biggums:

da GOAT MJ. Rookie MJ as good as PRIME Kobe.

:lol
:bowdown:

:lol

[CJ Mustard]

:oldlol: Kobe stans getting creative. No ****ing way was '08 Kobe as good as rookie Jordan. Agenda exposed.

[3ball]

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The most impressive part about MJ's rookie season was how he played against reigning DPOY Sidney Moncrief in the playoffs.

Moncrief was the current back-to-back DPOY and veteran All-NBA player who was playing on BY FAR the best, most stacked Bucks team they've ever had.

Most rookies would cower in the face of this and not perform at an elite level - not MJ though - He averaged 29 PPG, 6 RPG, 9 APG, 2.8 STL, 1.0 BLK, on 57% TS.

And smashed on Moncrief hard as ****, with the AND1 in the first GIF above... The next season, he smashed on Moncrief again, for good measure (2nd GIF).

MJ GOAT - 29/6/9 as a rookie against the DPOY.

[AlphaWolf24]

vs Rookie Bombaata!

37ppg 27rpg 2AST 8BLK 49%TS

:banana:

[Prometheus]

MJ > Kobe

MJ > human race

[Nikola_]

Captain Marvel >>> Lord Bean

[Nikola_]

Inb4 pace and drtg

[ralph_i_el]

Bulls pace that season 99.4 (21st out of 23)

Lakers pace that season 95.6 (6 out 30)

Mj's best counting-numbers seasons took place in a fast-paced no-defense era. Lakers played a significantly slower pace, and we're considered fast compared to the league at the time.

[kennethgriffin]

Just shows stats arent everything and inflated #'s / hogging/ stat padding / protecting fg% (whether need be or knowing limitations) can lie and isnt the whole story



Its stupid when people say "this guy averaged a few points more in his career so hes better" blah blah



Guys do what the team needs and however much they can without ruining the rhythm/confidence of others












/thread

[LAL]

Soo rookie MJ > MJ's triangle/championship seasons?

[ISHGoat]

21 (rookie mj age) year old lebron :

31.4 PPG, 7 REB, 6.6 AST, 48% FG, 56.8% TS

[SHAQisGOAT]

The most impressive part about MJ's rookie season was how he played against reigning DPOY Sidney Moncrief in the playoffs.

Moncrief was the current back-to-back DPOY and veteran All-NBA player who was playing on BY FAR the best, most stacked Bucks team they've ever had.

Most rookies would cower in the face of this and not perform at an elite level - not MJ though - He averaged 29 PPG, 6 RPG, 9 APG, 2.8 STL, 1.0 BLK, on 57% TS.

And smashed on Moncrief hard as ****, with the AND1 in the first GIF above... The next season, he smashed on Moncrief again, for good measure (2nd GIF).

MJ GOAT - 29/6/9 as a rookie against the DPOY.

Coming back with the same old, same old :rolleyes: Like some acid reflux.

BTW, after '85 Moncrief was never the same again due to degenerative knees.
Let's bring up 2000's MJ or something too, at that, smdh.

Anyways, paraphrasing one of my previous post (which you never responded to) on the subject you've brought up...

Love how you just mention the TS% on the topic at hand :lol
How about also saying that Jordan shot a sub-par 43.6% from the field, .442 eFG%, for the series http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scusthov.gif
FG drop-off of 7.9%, from the regular-season!!
5 more minutes per game for Michael, yet only 1 more PPG up from the RS...
Bunch of TO's too, trying to do way too much, while Sid kept his possessions very efficient with terrific impact, then doing the best you can get on the other end.

http://i57.tinypic.com/w9f9s1.jpg

Moncrief went on and averaged 26.5 PPG on .717 TS% :bowdown:
55% FG, 40% 3PT, 93% FT.
CONSIDERABLY upping his usual (regular-season) production...
150 ORtg on that ass, .569 eFG%!!!
WHILE holding the all-time greatest SG well under his usual %'s, WHILE leading his team to that 3-1 victory in the series.
Goddamn! http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/banderas.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/fxqhb6.jpg

Jordan also had teammate Orlando Woolridge putting up 20.5 on 50% for the series, he was wrecking shit up in the paint.
Quintin Dailey, Jordan's backup, was coming off the bench putting up 15.3, although on 41% from the floor.

Not even like the series was WAY too one-sided for the Bucks... 110 to 105 points per game, 114 to 109 ORtg... .514 to .472 eFG%... Bulls with better ORB% and less TOV%.
It was within reach, let's say. And Jordan still played a great series, but got outplayed and lost :cry:

And you just KNOW that if that happened with LeBron and not MJ, you'd be all up on it, mocking James... So, just gimme a break.

I'd say the case for Moncrief having outplayed MJ is stronger than the other way around, just how it is... Sid showed him the ropes, be glad for it just like Jordan was, just like Jordan said it happened.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-14-2015/aWyNUW.gif
:no: Not in my house!

Stop being so salty, son.

[Beastmode88]

Just shows stats arent everything and inflated #'s / hogging/ stat padding / protecting fg% (whether need be or knowing limitations) can lie and isnt the whole story



Its stupid when people say "this guy averaged a few points more in his career so hes better" blah blah



Guys do what the team needs and however much they can without ruining the rhythm/confidence of others











/thread

lol coming from a kobe stan...

[iTare]

When you post '/thread' but everyone keeps on discussing the topic like you don't even matter.

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[SHAQisGOAT]

Bulls pace that season 99.4 (21st out of 23)

Lakers pace that season 95.6 (6 out 30)

Mj's best counting-numbers seasons took place in a fast-paced no-defense era. Lakers played a significantly slower pace, and we're considered fast compared to the league at the time.

Right :rolleyes: Like you'd know ANYTHING about that era, like you've seen anything :rolleyes:

"No defense" :facepalm
And lmfao at bringing up a 3.8 difference in pace :oldlol: That's as MINIMAL as it gets, especially for superstar player.

"Significantly slower pace". Significantly?? :wtf: Seriously, you have no idea about what you're saying right now.

Not even gonna go much into how it's easier for a certain central to "control" possessions (thus getting higher ->individual<- stats) at a slower pace...
Picture some of those teams that like to run more and really share the ball around looking for the best shots as quickly as possible as opposed to teams slowing down things and running everything through your superstar player, letting him do most things, not moving the ball as much between everybody.
Anyways...

[Ne 1]

Technically, the stats are correct, but let's put things into perspective as use some context here. You had guys like Purvis Short putting up 26 ppg on near 50% from the field during that time... so should we think prime Kobe back then would have any problem shooting a higher FG% than his usual 45-47% in that era and scoring more? Especially with him getting a million semi-transition looks all game long, with horrible help defense (which didn't improve until the bad boy Pistons showed how), amongst several other factors.) If you watch games from back then, like no one ever going 10 feet within guys shooting just because they wanted to get the ball ASAP to start a fast break.

[theoneneo]

Kobe himself has 3 or 4 better statistical seasons than his mvp season

01
03
06
07

thread fail/

[Andrei89]

When you post '/thread' but everyone keeps on discussing the topic like you don't even matter.

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Cant believe that guy even has the audacity to write " thread"

I dont believe in his whol ISH "career" with all his alts he ever made a worthy post of closing a thread :lol

[riseagainst]

When you post '/thread' but everyone keeps on discussing the topic like you don't even matter.

http://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy-facebook_s.jpg


:roll:

poor kenneth.

:(

[kennethgriffin]

Kobes shit team seasons are better than his mvp season statistically.. what does this prove?


Numbers dont tell the whole story


















/thread

[riseagainst]

When you post '/thread' but everyone keeps on discussing the topic like you don't even matter.

http://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

[dubeta]

Kobes shit team seasons are better than his mvp season statistically.. what does this prove?


Numbers dont tell the whole story


















/thread

So Kobe was a stat padder?

[juju151111]

Coming back with the same old, same old :rolleyes: Like some acid reflux.

BTW, after '85 Moncrief was never the same again due to degenerative knees.
Let's bring up 2000's MJ or something too, at that, smdh.

Anyways, paraphrasing one of my previous post (which you never responded to) on the subject you've brought up...

Love how you just mention the TS% on the topic at hand :lol
How about also saying that Jordan shot a sub-par 43.6% from the field, .442 eFG%, for the series http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scusthov.gif
FG drop-off of 7.9%, from the regular-season!!
5 more minutes per game for Michael, yet only 1 more PPG up from the RS...
Bunch of TO's too, trying to do way too much, while Sid kept his possessions very efficient with terrific impact, then doing the best you can get on the other end.

http://i57.tinypic.com/w9f9s1.jpg

Moncrief went on and averaged 26.5 PPG on .717 TS% :bowdown:
55% FG, 40% 3PT, 93% FT.
CONSIDERABLY upping his usual (regular-season) production...
150 ORtg on that ass, .569 eFG%!!!
WHILE holding the all-time greatest SG well under his usual %'s, WHILE leading his team to that 3-1 victory in the series.
Goddamn! http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/banderas.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/fxqhb6.jpg

Jordan also had teammate Orlando Woolridge putting up 20.5 on 50% for the series, he was wrecking shit up in the paint.
Quintin Dailey, Jordan's backup, was coming off the bench putting up 15.3, although on 41% from the floor.

Not even like the series was WAY too one-sided for the Bucks... 110 to 105 points per game, 114 to 109 ORtg... .514 to .472 eFG%... Bulls with better ORB% and less TOV%.
It was within reach, let's say. And Jordan still played a great series, but got outplayed and lost :cry:

And you just KNOW that if that happened with LeBron and not MJ, you'd be all up on it, mocking James... So, just gimme a break.

I'd say the case for Moncrief having outplayed MJ is stronger than the other way around, just how it is... Sid showed him the ropes, be glad for it just like Jordan was, just like Jordan said it happened.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-14-2015/aWyNUW.gif
:no: Not in my house!

Stop being so salty, son.

Still good numbers has a rookie against him

[Smoke117]

Just shows stats arent everything and inflated #'s / hogging/ stat padding / protecting fg% (whether need be or knowing limitations) can lie and isnt the whole story



Its stupid when people say "this guy averaged a few points more in his career so hes better" blah blah



Guys do what the team needs and however much they can without ruining the rhythm/confidence of others

MJ >>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

[Tking714]

wait. Jordan is better than Kobe?

[Bankaii]

Care to post their records? Or how they did in the playoffs?

MJ statpadding his way to below 40 wins and getting scraped in the 1st round of a weak conference doesn't compare to competing in the Finals.

[GimmeThat]

watching the people who knows how to talk about winning to the media bitter against those who can put up the numbers on how to win in front of the audiences, makes up the information that are being broadcasted to the masses

it's fun and all

but then there's only one trophy every year

[SouBeachTalents]

watching the people who knows how to talk about winning to the media bitter against those who can put up the numbers on how to win in front of the audiences, makes up the information that are being broadcasted to the masses

it's fun and all

but then there's only one trophy every year

Dude, is English not your first language? Literally none of your posts have ever made any god damn sense

[GimmeThat]

Dude, is English not your first language? Literally none of your posts have ever made any god damn sense


you must be the person who people are waiting for the contract to expire

[Muskarat]

Coming back with the same old, same old :rolleyes: Like some acid reflux.

BTW, after '85 Moncrief was never the same again due to degenerative knees.
Let's bring up 2000's MJ or something too, at that, smdh.

Anyways, paraphrasing one of my previous post (which you never responded to) on the subject you've brought up...

Love how you just mention the TS% on the topic at hand :lol
How about also saying that Jordan shot a sub-par 43.6% from the field, .442 eFG%, for the series http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scusthov.gif
FG drop-off of 7.9%, from the regular-season!!
5 more minutes per game for Michael, yet only 1 more PPG up from the RS...
Bunch of TO's too, trying to do way too much, while Sid kept his possessions very efficient with terrific impact, then doing the best you can get on the other end.

http://i57.tinypic.com/w9f9s1.jpg

Moncrief went on and averaged 26.5 PPG on .717 TS% :bowdown:
55% FG, 40% 3PT, 93% FT.
CONSIDERABLY upping his usual (regular-season) production...
150 ORtg on that ass, .569 eFG%!!!
WHILE holding the all-time greatest SG well under his usual %'s, WHILE leading his team to that 3-1 victory in the series.

http://i60.tinypic.com/fxqhb6.jpg

Jordan also had teammate Orlando Woolridge putting up 20.5 on 50% for the series, he was wrecking shit up in the paint.
Quintin Dailey, Jordan's backup, was coming off the bench putting up 15.3, although on 41% from the floor.

Not even like the series was WAY too one-sided for the Bucks... 110 to 105 points per game, 114 to 109 ORtg... .514 to .472 eFG%... Bulls with better ORB% and less TOV%.
It was within reach, let's say. And Jordan still played a great series, but got outplayed and lost :cry:

And you just KNOW that if that happened with LeBron and not MJ, you'd be all up on it, mocking James... So, just gimme a break.

I'd say the case for Moncrief having outplayed MJ is stronger than the other way around, just how it is... Sid showed him the ropes, be glad for it just like Jordan was, just like Jordan said it happened.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-14-2015/aWyNUW.gif
:no: Not in my house!

Stop being so salty, son.


:lebronamazed:

[ShawkFactory]

MJ is better than Kobe?

Yea he be

[ImKobe]

So we're just going to ignore that MJ played in an era that had a much higher pace and teams scored at a much more efficient rate? Not to mention that MJ didn't have a post game nor did he have a reliable jump shot, but somehow he was a better player than prime Kobe?

Jordan's team had a pace of 99.4 and it was bottom 3 of the league :kobe:

Kobe's team had a pace of 95.6 and it was top 10 of the league :kobe:

Not to mention that Jordan couldn't crack .500 playing on a better roster while Kobe led his team to the Finals with two of his best players injured...and Lakers won 19 more games than the Bulls.

Jordan's 2nd option averaged 23 ppg on 55% shooting as well.

This is a troll thread.

[kennethgriffin]

another thing i noticed


jordans rookie season > some of jordans mvp seasons


and?

was rookie jordan a more valuable player than 98 mj?


jordan was an unstoppable dunker/slasher/ short range spamming 1 of a kind before his time player back in 1985

his team sucked. he could take 30 shots a game.

the definition of an empty stat padding loser