View Full Version : Fake Marraige for $40,000
9erempiree
06-23-2015, 12:43 PM
Here's the story, I was asked by a friend of mine to marry some girl so she can get her U.S. citizenship. All I have to do is marry this girl on paper. No huge ceremony, just hit up the courthouse and get the paper. She doesn't have to live with me forever, just for the first few months.
She looks very young in the picture he showed me, perhaps 21-24 and the family is paying for this.
I'm thinking a counter offer of 80k, would really make me consider.
Would you guys do it?
Le Shaqtus
06-23-2015, 12:49 PM
If she nice to look at, yep.
plot twist: lolcats' "girlfriend"
BlakFrankWhite
06-23-2015, 12:55 PM
plot twist: lolcats' "girlfriend"
:roll:
poido123
06-23-2015, 01:02 PM
I'm assuming you're single.
Do it.
I know about a half dozen guys who got 'married' while in the Marine Corps before a deployment to rack up double pay.
Do it, and dont hide it from your future wife.
Not like it means anything. Take the money and fix it later.
**** no. There's a shitload of liability there. I married my wife and brought her in country and you have total liability for her. I mean literally total. She turns out to be a nutcase, spends $300k on credit cards, burns down a school, you have signed a paper saying the financial liability is 100% yours. Or if the time comes for divorce, they do investigate it if you are only married short time. They also do random visits. Is there a good chance you get picked? No, there is almost no chance. But if they do pick you, and you're lying, they pursue charges.
Also, if some random dude knocks her up, good luck explaining you're not supporting her and the kid. You can't claim you don't sleep with her because the marriage is fake.
BAD BAD idea.
You also do know you need to be married a long time for her to keep her "residence" (citizenship? Day 1?). Or else you need to prove why you are divorcing BUT she should be allowed to stay.
No you fcking idiot. The consequences are more serious.
9erempiree
06-23-2015, 01:20 PM
**** no. There's a shitload of liability there. I married my wife and brought her in country and you have total liability for her. I mean literally total. She turns out to be a nutcase, spends $300k on credit cards, burns down a school, you have signed a paper saying the financial liability is 100% yours. Or if the time comes for divorce, they do investigate it if you are only married short time. They also do random visits. Is there a good chance you get picked? No, there is almost no chance. But if they do pick you, and you're lying, they pursue charges.
Also, if some random dude knocks her up, good luck explaining you're not supporting her and the kid. You can't claim you don't sleep with her because the marriage is fake.
BAD BAD idea.
You also do know you need to be married a long time for her to keep her "residence" (citizenship? Day 1?). Or else you need to prove why you are divorcing BUT she should be allowed to stay.
Very interesting and good insight. I was thinking the same thing as you minus the little details you've explained. I would consider only with a counter offer because 40k is not much for entry into this country or at least in my opinion.
Liability alone is huge. :confusedshrug:
alenleomessi
06-23-2015, 01:25 PM
no family is paying 40k for your ugly ass to marry their daughter
Patrick Chewing
06-23-2015, 01:30 PM
If you can have sex with her, then yes.
SCREWstonRockets
06-23-2015, 01:31 PM
Its not a few months, I think it has to be three years. I've been offered the same but I passed. I would have had to go through an entire marriage ceremony and all that. I was like F no. But now Im thinking I should have made a counter offer of like 100k or something LOL
DeuceWallaces
06-23-2015, 01:42 PM
1) This guy is full of shit; as always.
2) I'm thinking if this family has 40K USD in disposable income they could use it for means to make a case for a legitimate citizenship via education or some other job.
9erempiree
06-23-2015, 01:46 PM
Its not a few months, I think it has to be three years. I've been offered the same but I passed. I would have had to go through an entire marriage ceremony and all that. I was like F no. But now Im thinking I should have made a counter offer of like 100k or something LOL
3 years? That is a lot of time and Niko mentioned the random audits they do.
blablabla
06-23-2015, 01:58 PM
Also, if some random dude knocks her up, good luck explaining you're not supporting her and the kid. You can't claim you don't sleep with her because the marriage is fake.
or he could just do a paternity test prove that the kid is not his and have legitimate reasons for a divorce
Bosnian Sajo
06-23-2015, 02:13 PM
1) This guy is full of shit; as always.
2) I'm thinking if this family has 40K USD in disposable income they could use it for means to make a case for a legitimate citizenship via education or some other job.
9er is definitely full of shit, but this kind of stuff does happen and is an interesting topic of conversation. Knowing the pros and cons from niko's post, I'd have to say no, but it would sure as hell be tempting, especially if the girl is attractive. 40-80k to have "wifey" live with you for 3 years, probably get to smash on the reg (as long as you don't completely **** it up...yall are married ffs), living companion, and who knows. From what I've heard, arranged marriages are usually lasting marriages...maybe this shit works out better than either of you could of ever expected? And if it doesn't, you still get all of the pros previously stated.
I'd have to mull over the offer for a while.
DeuceWallaces
06-23-2015, 02:36 PM
9er is definitely full of shit, but this kind of stuff does happen and is an interesting topic of conversation. Knowing the pros and cons from niko's post, I'd have to say no, but it would sure as hell be tempting, especially if the girl is attractive. 40-80k to have "wifey" live with you for 3 years, probably get to smash on the reg (as long as you don't completely **** it up...yall are married ffs), living companion, and who knows. From what I've heard, arranged marriages are usually lasting marriages...maybe this shit works out better than either of you could of ever expected? And if it doesn't, you still get all of the pros previously stated.
I'd have to mull over the offer for a while.
Niko confirmed all my greatest fears. I get what you're saying, but this is a terrible idea if you're a well adjusted person with some semblance of a career.
You know absolutely nothing about this person and you are seriously considering entering a (il)legally binding contract with someone whom you will be stuck together at the hip with for the next 3 years. Also consider your net profit after 3 years of expenses and her taking half of your net worth + legal fees after the divorce.
or he could just do a paternity test prove that the kid is not his and have legitimate reasons for a divorce
which means you'd go into court and lie to the US govt which opens you up to perjury.
If you're not ****ing the girl and you can't see day to day what she's doing, assuming liability for her life strikes me as stupid. Get a job, jobs can't come back and take the money you made from you.
The paperwork, the times we had to go to do filings, the checking when she came in the country, tax filings i had to give, etc. was really extensive. Shit was not a joke.
9erempiree
06-23-2015, 02:59 PM
That is why it's tempting to think about. The price is 40k but I am considering a counter offer. I haven't gave much thought about it since one of the guys that showed me the picture of the girl, she lives in Los Angeles for the time being, says it is easy and it's just a paper.
I am thinking it is just a paper too but perhaps I can get her to sign a pre-nup?
rezznor
06-23-2015, 03:08 PM
1) This guy is full of shit; as always.
2) I'm thinking if this family has 40K USD in disposable income they could use it for means to make a case for a legitimate citizenship via education or some other job.
You are well versed in alot of things but this one you have no idea what you are talking about. This shit goes on alot, especially amongst Asian countries. I got offered 50k when I was in undergrad to bring a friend's cousin in. That was awhile ago so I'm surprised OP didn't get offered more. I declined and so should 9er
That is why it's tempting to think about. The price is 40k but I am considering a counter offer. I haven't gave much thought about it since one of the guys that showed me the picture of the girl, she lives in Los Angeles for the time being, says it is easy and it's just a paper.
I am thinking it is just a paper too but perhaps I can get her to sign a pre-nup?
If you sign papers to bring her in the country you are responsible to the US govt. for her finances, debts she incurs, damage she causes, taking care of her if she's sick, etc. If she, let's say got cancer and incurred $500k in medical bills, guess how pays?
You can't sign a contract with someone telling the US govt you're not responsible, they are not party to that contract.
DeuceWallaces
06-23-2015, 03:25 PM
You are well versed in alot of things but this one you have no idea what you are talking about. This shit goes on alot, especially amongst Asian countries. I got offered 50k when I was in undergrad to bring a friend's cousin in. That was awhile ago so I'm surprised OP didn't get offered more. I declined and so should 9er
At no point did I say it doesn't happen a lot.
I said it's a bad idea (it is), and that 9er is full of shit (he is).
rezznor
06-23-2015, 03:29 PM
At no point did I say it doesn't happen a lot.
I said it's a bad idea (it is), and that 9er is full of shit (he is).
im referring to this
2) I'm thinking if this family has 40K USD in disposable income they could use it for means to make a case for a legitimate citizenship via education or some other job.
unless you are a physician, engineer, or hold some other skilled and desired position it's extremely expensive to legitimately immigrate to the US. There are other ways to come as well but again, it's costs a hell of alot more than 40k.
Source: immigration law + my family has sponsored much of my extended family over so i know first hand and shit ain't cheap.
highwhey
06-23-2015, 03:38 PM
im referring to this
unless you are a physician, engineer, or hold some other skilled and desired position it's extremely expensive to legitimately immigrate to the US. There are other ways to come as well but again, it's costs a hell of alot more than 40k.
Source: immigration law + my family has sponsored much of my extended family over so i know first hand and shit ain't cheap.
You practice immigration law in Houston? I'm assuming you know Spanish pretty good by now :oldlol:
Props to helping my Mexican brethren in.
rezznor
06-23-2015, 03:43 PM
You practice immigration law in Houston? I'm assuming you know Spanish pretty good by now :oldlol:
Props to helping my Mexican brethren in.
no i don't but I did study it in law school. I have alot of friends that practice it though so stuff like this has been discussed amongst us. i will pass the props onto my colleagues though :cheers:
I have to agree i don't think $40k sounds like much. I've been offered $25k or so and that was when i was younger so like 15 years ago.
warriorfan
06-23-2015, 03:50 PM
If you have a good lawyer that can write you up an air tight prenup then pull the trigger. If you really got paid 50k + then it would be well worth the trouble.
rezznor
06-23-2015, 03:53 PM
If you have a good lawyer that can write you up an air tight prenup then pull the trigger. If you really got paid 50k + then it would be well worth the trouble.
40k is not much money for 1 year much less 3, plus the potential liabilities that comes with the fraud he is perpetuating really isn't worth the risk/reward....
40k is not much money for 1 year much less 3, plus the potential liabilities that comes with the fraud he is perpetuating really isn't worth the risk/reward....
I mean, OP, what is 40k to you?
If you're homeless, then go for it.
40k really isn't all that much. It'd be nice to find, but 6 months of pay isn't all that awesome.
If you have a good lawyer that can write you up an air tight prenup then pull the trigger. If you really got paid 50k + then it would be well worth the trouble.
Like niko said, that's not really how it works. I don't know complete specifics of US immigration, but I assume it's the same as here: If you apply for a visa for your wife on the basis of marriage, then you carry the completely financial liability for that person. The only reason they let her in is because you sign off on that responsibility. It has nothing to do with the marriage contract.
Break up, get a divorce, prenup, whatever. As long as the person isn't a citizen yet and you are the visa sponsor, you are 100% financially accountable while she is in the country.
warriorfan
06-23-2015, 04:08 PM
40k is not much money for 1 year much less 3, plus the potential liabilities that comes with the fraud he is perpetuating really isn't worth the risk/reward....
What potential liabilities are there? There is nothing fraudulent taking place.
I mean, OP, what is 40k to you?
If you're homeless, then go for it.
40k really isn't all that much. It'd be nice to find, but 6 months of pay isn't all that awesome.
Even if you are making 100k a year it doesn't change the fact that getting 40/50 grand for this would be easy cake. You can have money and still take advantage out other ways of income. You could be well off but I'm pretty sure you aren't to the point where money is no object.
HitandRun Reggie
06-23-2015, 04:08 PM
no family is paying 40k for your ugly ass to marry their daughter
I could believe it. Mexicans are now paying $7500-$10,000 to just get into the US beyond border enforcement, because it's become so tight these days.
Not the same, but some worker for a company I do business with, offered me $3000 to sponsor his wife for legal residency because he didn't make enough money(documented) to do so. I turned him down. The stupid government doesn't hold sponsors liable if the alien resident takes public assistance like they are legally obligated to, but things might change in the future with a Republican congress, so it's not worth the risk.
What potential liabilities are there? There is nothing fraudulent taking place.
Even if you are making 100k a year it doesn't change the fact that getting 40/50 grand for this would be easy cake. You can have money and still take advantage out other ways of income. You could be well off but I'm pretty sure you aren't to the point where money is no object.
Well there are limits to everything. Would you do it for 35k? 30k? At what point do you say no?
A hitman probably wouldn't murder someone for $3,000, but if you offered him $20,000, he'd say yes (less than that, but for arguments sake).
With great risk comes great reward. The legal ramifications posted in this thread are aspects I hadn't even considered.
Is 40k worth your freedom? Not mine. Is 100k? Well...we're getting warmer.
What potential liabilities are there? There is nothing fraudulent taking place.
Immigration will ask you "how did you meet each other? why did you get married? how long do you know each other?" etc, etc.
Guess what? If the answer is "I don't really know her, her family paid me 40k to marry her and get her a visa", no one is getting a visa. So yeah, you do have to commit fraud and lie in order for this scheme to work.
Immigration will ask you "how did you meet each other? why did you get married? how long do you know each other?" etc, etc.
Guess what? If the answer is "I don't really know her, her family paid me 40k to marry her and get her a visa", no one is getting a visa. So yeah, you do have to commit fraud and lie in order for this scheme to work.
Not to mention if she gets drunk and takes off in your (now both of your) vehicles and wrecks it. She's your wife.
At least you have the 40k.
warriorfan
06-23-2015, 04:23 PM
sheep gonna sheep
turn down an ez 50 grand if you want, it's your loss
Meh, I wouldn't even want to take care of some random hoe for 10k a year, but that's me.
rezznor
06-23-2015, 04:30 PM
What potential liabilities are there? There is nothing fraudulent taking place.
I guess that whole section they have on immigration marriage fraud is unnecessary then...
[QUOTE]Penalties for Committing Immigration Marriage Fraud
Criminal and immigration penalties faced by perpetrators of marriage fraud.
[B]The law pretty much speaks for itself on what happens to immigrants who commit marriage fraud -- that is, who enter into a sham marriage as a means of gaining U.S. permanent residence (a green card). The relevent law states that perpetrators can face prison, a fine, or both, as follows:
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both (I.N.A.
rezznor
06-23-2015, 04:33 PM
sheep gonna sheep
turn down an ez 50 grand if you want, it's your loss
go ahead baws. hit dat lick.
ShackEelOKneel
06-23-2015, 04:34 PM
If OP gets caught for fraud, we don't have to see his terrible posts anymore :banana:
bladefd
06-23-2015, 04:35 PM
sheep gonna sheep
turn down an ez 50 grand if you want, it's your loss
Not worth the risk unless if you know the girl.. If you know her somewhat then it would be worth it..
BTW, don't bank on getting laid. :lol It may not happen even if you're married on paper - don't be surprised if she gets a BF. Will be awkward as hell to explain to your friends if she decides to date while "married" to you. Lots of embarrassing possibilities
BRabbiT
06-23-2015, 04:36 PM
No you fcking idiot.......
:lol
......The consequences are more serious.
+1
rezznor
06-23-2015, 04:43 PM
btw, here's some more info if you think you are free and clear once that marriage is up. have fun having this albatross hanging around your neck.
And then we get to the possible criminal penalties. Here's what the law says:
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than five years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
The above comes from section 275(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (I.N.A.).
Discovery of a marriage fraud might happen at any of various phases of the immigration process. For example, the immigration authorities will demand proof of the validity of the marriage (and ask personal questions of the immigrant and spouse) as part of the initial application for the green card, as well as two years later, when immigrants whose marriages were still recent when they applied for U.S. residence (less than two years old) must apply to convert from conditional to permanent residence.
The authorities can even take another look at the marriage when the immigrant later applies for U.S. citizenship. There is almost no point at which the immigrant committing marriage fraud is completely safe from discovery and subsequent deportation.
Note also that the immigration authorities have broad investigative powers for purposes of discovering marriage frauds. Not only can they demand submission of documents and subject the immigrant and spouse to intensive questioning during the application process, but they can visit the couple’s home, talk to their friends, interview their employers, and more.
Penalties Faced by the U.S. Citizen or Lawful Permanent Resident
The U.S. spouse could face substantial fines and even jail time if convicted of this crime. The most severe penalties are usually applied to those who engage in conspiracy operations, such as systematically arranging fraudulent marriage. But that doesn’t mean that an individual who enters into a fraudulent marriage won’t also be punished.
If the spouse is only a U.S. permanent resident, not a citizen, he or she might be placed into removal proceedings and ultimately deported.
and let's be real...the girl is 99.9% ugly as hell to begin with. if she was good looking, she could easily find a thirsty ass american to marry her for real.
InfiniteBaskets
06-23-2015, 05:01 PM
and let's be real...the girl is 99.9% ugly as hell to begin with. if she was good looking, she could easily find a thirsty ass american to marry her for real.
I'm not so sure she'd be ugly. Any family able to spend $40k on a risky opportunity (deportation and essentially trusting OP to take care of her) presents themselves as desperate.
If they can afford $40k, why can't they just send this early 20 year old to grad school in the US? US public schools love taking on foreign students for full out of state tuition. And if she's halfway intelligent and hard-working she could major in STEM and find a company that sponsors. At the very least, get her enough US education to get a good job when she's back in Asia.
The fact that they are choosing to go this route tells me they aren't wealthy enough to live an elite life in Asia, aren't intelligent enough or at least don't have faith in their daughter to obtain US employment sponsorship.
All in all, seems like a bad deal. You'll have to watch out for all the things niko mentioned, and good luck trying to get any girlfriend while explaining you're legally married to someone else.
They do interview you. And my wife gets uber nervous and tries to be super exact so that interview was a pain. Where did you meet? In Tokyo. My wife: No, we talked online first and that place wasn't in Tokyo, it's really Yokohama because that section of Tokyo is actually close to Yokohama and in that cities limits. They basically just passed us through so we'd go away. They do get specific though, they ask you what she likes to eat, or read, etc. and then ask her. So it's not that easy.
nathanjizzle
06-23-2015, 05:24 PM
i know a *friend* who has done this. the whole process takes a few years. you have to do green card interviews with homeland security which you must have pre fabricated a home life with your partner.
HitandRun Reggie
06-23-2015, 05:27 PM
Not worth the risk unless if you know the girl.. If you know her somewhat then it would be worth it..
BTW, don't bank on getting laid. :lol It may not happen even if you're married on paper
I believe all states require a marriage to be physically consummated. :banana:
Which is awesome if she looks like this
https://t1.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/35/62/14/500_F_35621491_WHKdTP5nmELrNDD4ShGjT7iOzYr0Ispe.jp g
Not so awesome if she looks like this
https://orwells1984oregon.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/really-gfat-latina-hooker1.jpg
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